Is the F-35 capable of penetrating an air defense network?

Yes.

>>63823338 (OP)
yes

it's doing it right now

>>63823338 (OP)
probably

>>63823338 (OP)
Ask again later

I think it just did, Anon

>>63823338 (OP)
Probably not-top line Russian & Chinese networks by itself. That's what the stealth bombers are for.

>>63823338 (OP)
Anon, there is an F-35 hiding under your bed right now!

>>63823338 (OP)
This is the second time it has that we know of.

>>63823431

>>63823338 (OP)
Tailor made one might say

>>63823338 (OP)
i wouldnt worry about it..

Like a clean cut cock into a lubed up Iranian ass.

>>63823431

>>63823338 (OP)
The F-35 trashed Iran's S-300 batteries and has performed strikes unimpeded by S-300 and S-400 batteries in Syria.

What an F-35 could possibly do after penetrating said air defenses, from a ballistic missile bases in Piranshahr, western Iran.

>https://files.catbox.moe/nwhkb7.mp4

so it seems, so it seems

Another possibility of what F-35 might do after a good penetration, from Tehran.

>https://files.catbox.moe/e509hh.mp4

Some guy in the last thread said the F117 is just as stealthy as the f35. I'm here to call you out.

The f117 was splashed by Serbs in 1999 with an S-125, which was a SAM system first introduced in 1961. The Iranians have more advanced air defenses than that and they could not stop the f35.

>>63823431
oh no?!

>>63823517
The Serbs were blind firing the S-125 into the expected flight path of the F-117 because the pilots kept taking the exact same flight paths like dumbasses.

More post-penetration action from Tehran.

>https://files.catbox.moe/esj3s0.mp4

Some aftermath

>https://files.catbox.moe/n606gq.mp4

>>63823526
>>63823515
>>63823504
god i want to get penetrated by f-35-chans futa cock

>>63823504
Hello Suomi- anon : D

>>63823523
They guessed where the plane would be and set an ambush. Iran knew that Israel had eyes on their nuclear sites, they saw Israel strike them before, and they knew something would be coming after the failed nuclear talks. They still failed to splash anything.

F35>F117.

>>63823338 (OP)
Why pose it as a hypothetical when they are bombing Iran right now?

>>63823504
>>63823515
>>63823526
We really should just give Ukraine like 6 F-35s with no restrictions just to see what happens.

It's know that China has been passing the Houthis and Iranians the F-35's radar profile from its intercepts of US and JASDF aircraft. Not to mention the US sold F-35s to Singapore as well which is probably even more retarded

>>63823416
The F-35, has already been compromised:

>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.

I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.

>>63823546
Seeing how the F-35 mocked Russian SAMs in Iran. It would be pretty funny

>>63823541
Spurdo spärde vai mitä vittua.

Some aftermath footage from Tehran.

>https://xcancel.com/MosssLulu/status/1933331608561443155

>>63823545
Because it's a stealth Iran thread, that's why.

Some more aftermath from Tehran.

>https://files.catbox.moe/mo67bn.mp4

No, HQ-9 can easily detect and shoot it down

>>63823521
Look at that bulge! OwO

>>63823548
stick to your Malaysia threads

Comfy sounds of soviet afterburners at full blast as Iran scrambles their planes.

>https://files.catbox.moe/ex0il3.mp4

>>63823338 (OP)
Lets go ask the Iranians shall we?
>*screaming* *explosions* *louder screaming*
seems pretty capable to me

>>63823548
>It's know that China has been passing the Houthis and Iranians the F-35's radar profile
Doesn't seem to have done much good, are you sure they got the right data?

Subashi radar site, the westernmost Iranian radar station.

>https://xcancel.com/clashreport/status/1933382839896322513

>>63823548
Yeah? How'd that go for Iran, Xipao?

>>63823562
surprised the government didn't shut down internet services

>>63823601
Radar station in question in 2021.

>https://xcancel.com/mhmiranusa/status/1374747992901758977

Strikes on the Natanz Nuclear Facility.

>https://files.catbox.moe/0xpjca.mp4

>>63823338 (OP)
>Is the F-35 capable of penetrating an air defense network?

Older cold war tier stuff based on older medium band radars, sure.
Modern AESA stuff, nah. They are purpose build to work on frequencies stealth doesn't work well against.
Also optical sensors to supplement the radar.

>>63823621
what's giving off all that black smoke?

>>63823633
Something spicy I hope, would be a shame if all that nuclear material went to waste. But it's probably just ordinary stuff burning.

This was supposedly the second attack on Natanz today, follow up to the early morning ones.

>https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933387250030526575

Fresh strikes in Tabriz, secondaries visible, but sadly no audio.

>https://xcancel.com/Osint613/status/1933367995906097408

>>63823548
Having a "radar profile" of an F-35 is not that useful.
There are also less secrets than you think around stealth. The theoretical principles of how stealth work are well understood for decades and have been public knowledge for a long time.
It is very obvious from a physics point of view how stealth planes reflect radar waves and what frequencies give you a good return and what frequencies give you a bad return.
The challenge in the past was getting enough reflection for semi-active radar homing missiles.
To do that required a frequency which combines both decent range with decent accuracy, which is a medium frequency. Especially on a fighter where radar antenna size is limited.
Thanks to datalink this problem went away. You can now just use a longer frequency on the big-ass ground radar, which has excellent range and good return even from a stealth plane, but poor accuracy.
Then you datalink the missile close to the target, and the missile has a short frequency radar of it's own for precise terminal guidance which has poor range, but high accuracy and again is outside of what stealth on a plane can optimize against.
With AESA, gallium and advances in signal processing even fighter sized radars can now decently counter stealth simply because energy density is now retardedly high with dozens of kW pumped into the radar.

>>63823548
fuck off chink

>>63823338 (OP)
Have any underground nuclear facilities been hit?

Do we know if they're using standoff "Rampage" missiles again?

>>63823649
So if stealth is thoroughly solved and countered, why bother? And why cant Iranian/Russian AESA radars find these planes?

Air patrol over Tel Aviv.

>https://xcancel.com/TreyYingst/status/1933378664189866481

>>63823670
I think we both know that anon is just retarded and doesn't know what he's talking about. Dunning-Krueger in full effect

>>63823546
>mfw it happens
Never in a million years but still

It's code red at the pizza places around the Pentagon.

>https://xcancel.com/PenPizzaReport/status/1933372243221926100

>>63823338 (OP)
Depends on the Network. Probably not without significant casualties on a modern western NATO state. I don't doubt it would easily deal with shitholes like north korea, iran and the like.

Another view of strikes in Tabritz.

>https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933344393894736161

Iranian response of Shaded drones lumbering their way over Iraq atm.

>https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1933393255619834062

>>63823728
So it's the usual Israel blows Iran up with jets, then they limply respond with drones and missiles, miss all their targets and call it a day?

it's fugging habbening bros
how long until American boots on the ground?

>>63823732
Seems that way, or if you want to be generous, maybe they're laying the groundwork to launch ballistic missiles later to time them to arrive at the same time as the Shadeds. It's gonna take them a good 5-6 hours still to reach Israel.

>>63823737
>it's fugging habbening bros

Iran gets kicked in the ribs on a regular basis and they respond with sending a handful of shasneeds and missiles at Israel, it's a fucking nothingburger.

>>63823757
It's not really about what Iran does, it's about what Israel does.

Iranian ballistic missile base in Kermanshah.

>https://xcancel.com/a_n_alawlaqi/status/1933381390902722565

https://x.com/idfonline/status/1933397991123022224
New IAF footage and pictures

>>63823548
Turd worlders and chinsects still believe that knowing the RCS of an aircraft lets you magically overcome the targeting limitations of their dogshit Soviet derived systems. If that were the only factor stopping F-35 from raping your air defense, you might even have a chance, but there's so many confounding factors that you might as well just kill yourself before trying to fight the US in the air. In thirty years when the country has totally rotted from within, go ahead and give it a go, but this is overeager work from small brains.

>>63823670
other guy was right in calling anon retarded, but to explain a little bit, detection =/= targeting. There's a myraid of things that "counter" stealth, most of them do not produce firing solutions or fit on a missile seeker, so no matter how broken stealth is by enemy systems it's a capability that's worth having because there will always be situations where it degrades or negates a system's ability to actually engage or destroy the aircraft in question.

Lmao if this is true, it would be the kurds who were the only ones that had their shit together.

>The only air-defence activity was noticed in #Iran took place in #Sanandaj, center of #Kurdistan province. A Tor M1 air-defence system of the #IRGC launched all of its missiles at several #Israeli cruise missiles.

>https://xcancel.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1933386789319766354

More aftermath from Kermanshah.

>https://xcancel.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1933383081605349750

>>63823670
>So if stealth is thoroughly solved and countered, why bother?

Multiple reasons.

1. Institutional inertia. Imagine if the USAF announced their next plane isn't stealth. Simply is unthinkable at this point.

2. The disadvantages of stealth, like high maintenance cost on coatings and edge treatments and aerodynamic compromises as well as higher manufacturing quality requirements have been overcome. Coatings are now more durable, aerodynamics have been optimized by blending aerodynamic and stealth design into unified tooling that can solve for an optimal solution which compromises both little at the same time, and higher manufacturing quality has become the default even for civilian projects.

3. Stealth still offer some advantages, instead of seeing it as black and white, 0 or 1, see it as a sliding scale of different shades of grey. You still push the detection range down somewhat, depending on the situation.

>And why cant Iranian/Russian AESA radars find these planes?

Russians stuck with PESA for a long time, their AESA isn't that good. Iranians have VERY few ressources, very little know how internally, and are sanctioned to absolute shit. Why would you think they have a good radar?
No, currently only china has made an effort to deploy an entire stack of stealth counter technology.
It's typical armsrace stuff, you look at what your most likely enemy has, and then you figure out how to counter it.
Thinking stealth = invisible and thinking this will continue forever is beyond naive.

>>63823432
Seems like a game changer.

>>63823826
Why does China bother with stealth if it's solved and open technology?

Cursed.

>>63823644
Shame Tabriz is such a juicy trade hub.

Why didn't S400 save them?

>>63823842
this man has a worse track record than a broken clock it's like he has a reverse Midas touch

>>63823835
Because they, like the US see the value in being able to abuse incompetently run/underfunded air defense systems; think India, Russia or Vietnam. And it still has advantages in a peer conflict when combined with other EW tactics.

>>63823857
At least this time it was a full year between his prediction and getting humiliated, rather than two days.

>>63823856
Because it's shit AND it's operated by Iranians.

>>63823857
Inverse Cassandra.

>>63823782
>0:03
>tips fedora
>m lady

>>63823856

>>63823842
he needs to pick stocks, so I can short everything he touches.

>>63823737
No war please- you really think people want to be drafted.

>>63823893
Somewhere, the Ayyytollah hears "SHOIGUUU..! GERASIMOV..!" gently echo on the wind.

>>63823835
>Why does China bother with stealth if it's solved

Same fucking reasons? Again, it is solved, but only against an advanced peer enemy.
Ironically the US has less counter-stealth detection technology because they didn't think the chinese would be able to move so fast. Additionally china is curious as to why others do what they do, so they copy first before they start doing their own design work. It's the advantage you have when you play catchup and there's prior art.
Now they're stuck with the same instituional inertia as well.

>and open technology

Just because you understand how it works doesn't mean you can magically counter it.
You still have to develop and deploy new systems and tactics.
Stealth still has positive return on investment: It is cheaper to apply stealth than to create a counter.

>>63823902
MIGA will die for Israel even though MIGApede-in-chief said no to wars while campaigning

Israeli news just said that they are dispatching Iranian drones over Saudi airspace. Interesting that the Saudis aren't giving a shit about that... maybe they will feign outrage after.

>>63823913
Pretty sure the Saudis don't have to do even token shit like that if it's against Iran directly.

>>63823913
>israeli news
All those channels are owned by Jews lol

>>63823857
The Russians have dirt on him, so he intentionally posts the opposite of reasonable predictions to please them so they don't out him.

>>63823972
Big if true

>>63823997
He seems too low class for embarassing blackmail to work. Like, he's already bald in a bad way and has no real friends. I think they're paying him a pittance to relay Russian talking points.

>>63823649
You contradict yourself even in your own post. A fighter sized radar cannot have an AESA that works on wavelengths long enough to not be severely affected by stealth, then you say the solution is just lol more power.

>>63823521
Why does it look like this? Shouldn't the bottom of a stealth plane be flat?

>>63823773
Fiery but mostly intact

>>63824090
He's clearly a pedo. Look at him.

>>63824641
>You contradict yourself even in your own post.

No, you obviously fail to understand the topic.

>A fighter sized radar cannot have an AESA that works on wavelengths long enough to not be severely affected by stealth

Yes like the L band AESA array in the wings of the Su-57 and god knows what the chinese are slapping on their planes.

>then you say the solution is just lol more power.

Stealth reduces the amount of reflected energy.
Throwing more energy out increases energy that can be reflected in the first place.
Obviously more power helps, and with gallium the energy density has gone up quite a bit.
You see everything in a black-or-white. Either something is INVINCIBLE and UNDECTABLE or USELESS.
In reality everything is a sliding scale. Stealth was highly effective when it reduced the detection ranges dramatically.
Now it only reduces detection ranges somewhat and requires a more sophisticated multimodal sensor suite.
You detect with L band, cue the high-power X-band and try to burn thru with focussed beam, and slave the IRST on as well.
You can also triangulate with L band and multiple emitters and get good enough data for a datalinked LOAL missile shot.

Stealth raises the bar of effort, doesn't prevent anything.

>>63823631
>Older cold war tier stuff based on older medium band radars, sure.
>Modern AESA stuff, nah. They are purpose build to work on frequencies stealth doesn't work well against.
>Also optical sensors to supplement the radar.
Would you not consider S-400 modern, then?
That's a pretty high bar to clear if not.

>>63823787
I just hope you know this armchair general hardass shit is gay as fuck.

>>63824978
Wait, they painted over the super secret special coating?

What is this heresy?!

>>63824837
>L-band
Too bad that's not the VHF you need to get returns off the fighter wingspan

Brand new material, from Tabriz again.

>Major strikes now against surface-to-surface missile sites and depots near Tabriz in Northwestern Iran.

>https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933503150985523299

Mother KC-130H Tankers return home after an ardous journey to feed their young fighters on their way to a date with destiny.

>Israeli KC-130H Aerial-Refueling Tankers spotted flying westward over Suwayda in Southwestern Syria earlier today, after likely supporting strike operations by the Israeli Air Force in Iran.

>https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933507489934262326

>Fires and secondary explosions seen emanating from the site of massive airstrikes earlier by the Israeli Air Force near Tabriz in Northwestern Iran, likely targeting ballistic missile launch and storage sites operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

>https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933504431611347101

israel MALE drones are operating with impunity over iran. looks like they really neutered their AD

>>63825025
But but but irgc shill told me israel couldnt into mid air refueling

>>63825043
forgot pic

Why did no one seem to notice that Israel had destroyed much of Iran's AD network earlier this year?

>>63825064
>>63825043
Womp womp lol

>>63823896
Kramer already does that for you.

>>63825043
>israel MALE drones are operating with impunity over iran. looks like they really neutered their AD
Which flag will Iran use to retaliate?

>>63823631
>They are purpose build to work on frequencies stealth doesn't work well against.
The problem with that is that it needs to filter out background noise and actually track the return, which needs other frequencies to actually do. It'll get a lock eventually, but by that point you've had your radar on for far too long and eat a missile.

For me, it's the F-35. The best Joint Strike Fighter. I even ask for extra AMRAAMs, and the US Government is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for one billion dollars in F-35s and they gave me three billion dollars worth of F-35s. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly American Congressman laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free-Is-rae-li".

Now Congress greets me with "hey, it's 3-for-free-Is-rae-li!" and ALWAYS gives me three billion dollars worth of F-35s. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere here at the Israeli Ministry of Defense. I go beg Congress at least 3 times a week for advanced fighter jets, 1-2 times for Patriot missiles on the weekend, and maybe once for high powered laser systems when I'm in a rush, but want a great networked defense system that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily sandnigger destruction needs.

I even sell their weapons technology to the Chinese! it's highly classified! What a great country.

>>63824791
it can not be flat so long as all your radar returns are redirected away, with your edges aligned. it's why the chinese stealth planes aren't stealth, but this one is. keep in mind this would be probably the LEAST stealthy possible scan you could get of an F-35, with a full bottom-on profile probably being just a little worse.

>>63825081
happening-fags have the memory of a goldfish

>>63825223

lmao

>>63825251

>>63825251
finally, they take a stand against the russian air force's attacks on belgorod

>Israel also reportedly struck the Kermanshah Missile Base, a facility believed to store Iranian ballistic missiles. High-resolution imagery from @AirbusDefence confirms the strike.

>https://x.com/osc_london/status/1933527096376037494

>>63825251
this is just public posturing btw. behind the scenes i bet net and yahoo and are laughing their asses off

>>63825223
kek

>>63824978
Holy sexo

>>63824996
we figured out colored RAM a while ago now anon, it affects performance slightly but still not enough to matter by comparison. it's a bit more expensive though as the materials used are produced en-masse mostly for grey.

>>63825602
It's so rare to see them painted that I had no idea. So weird seeing them not-grey.

Some more Tehran pounding from the morning.

>https://files.catbox.moe/6lls2e.mp4

Tehran strikes filmed from a mountain.

>https://files.catbox.moe/k8vx7o.mp4

>>63825293
>laughing their asses off
They get lots of drone components from Iran I'm pretty sure Russia is not laughing about one of their few friends getting rekt
After Syria and Mali most of the expeditionary Russian missions have failed...

Tabriz can't get enough it seems.

>Another wave of strikes against the outskirts of Tabriz in Northwestern Iran, reportedly targeting a radar installation and additional surface-to-surface missile sites operated by the IRGC.


https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1933550559119765700

>>63825695
Also extremely bad propaganda for their shitty air defense system (s400, s300) that they are trying to shill everywhere

>>63825602
>>63825620
m8s, that is obviously shopped. First, the squadron insignia is for one that doesn't use f-35, and second, they have the same fucking tail number.

>>63824998
source?

>>63825161
>The problem with that is that it needs to filter out background noise and actually track the return

Every radar does that.

>which needs other frequencies to actually do

This sentence makes no sense. Go back to eating crayons.

>It'll get a lock eventually, but by that point you've had your radar on for far too long and eat a missile.

Well for that you actually need to have a long range missile of your own :^)

>>63823548
replace singapore with israel

>>63825882
nah

>>63823543
It's almost like there is a difference between flying along the same flight path for weeks/months over and over, vs knowing roughly what their targets might be.

If you can't understand why it would be easier to shoot down a stealth plane flying the same flight path at the same time as it has for weeks on end is easier than shooting down a stealth plane coming to attack a known target with an unknown time/date/flight path.

Crazy stuff

And yes, I agree the F-35 is stealthier than the F-117, your reasoning is retarded and flawed.

>>63825907
yeah

>>63823338 (OP)
no
a better solution is remove the network when you go there

>F-35 shot down, Iranian sources say
lmao

>>63826318
lies.

any HVT will be moved by then. hitting HVTs is the whole point of deep penetration strikes.
Israel decapitating the Iranian leadership is genius.

>>63826405
israel turned off iranian air defenses (using bombs) before BBQing the leadership

>>63823338 (OP)
She's already in your airspace, and is going to cop a feel.

>>63826309
nah

>>63823338 (OP)
Not like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_1TuopglOE

>>63823523
No. There was no blind fire. They attempted three locks and two failed. The F-117 was basically at point blank range then.
>>63823543
They didn't guess either. One battery was down and another had been attacked. Zlotan Dani's battery happened to be active, and an egress route passed close to it because satellite intel suggested the site was not in use.
The F-117 passed almost over them by happenstance.
No high IQ cat and mouse game. No modified radars. No bomb bay door stuck open. Stealth is based on radar energy decreasing by the inverse square of distance so at short distances stealth aircraft show on radar. Mission planning put an egress route over a site that was in use but looked abandoned on satellite pics. That's it.

>>63826494
And then they flew that same route repeatedly for weeks

>>63823649
>You can now just use a longer frequency on the big-ass ground radar, which has excellent range and good return even from a stealth plane, but poor accuracy.
It's also easier to jam and it's prime Day One cruise missile bait.

>>63824837
>Yes like the L band AESA array in the wings of the Su-57
Fuck's sake this doesn't have enough T/R modules to act as a proper radar, the beamwidth will be near unusable.

>>63826390
I’ll believe it when I see it

>>63826466
I accept your defeat

>>63823737
It’s been nearly 20 hours.
Nothing has happened, nothing is going to happen.

people actually believe that they operate from within iran instead of firing stand off missiles

it baffles me how low the bar is here

>>63825025
I always wonder why Syria and Iraq put up with the overflights like this. It’s an explicit territorial violation of an uninvolved third party

>>63827023
We know they've done strikes from inside Iran wth the F-35 though.

>>63827024
They don't really have the capability to say "no" to it.
They're sure as shit not going to risk getting into a shooting war with Israel over it.

>>63827024
I mean with the way Israel has been with Syria's remaining AD, it's not like they can say a lot against them. Besides, Al-Jolani would enjoy fucking over the Iranians for all the fuckery they did in Syria.

>>63825251
based russians not practicing what they preach

>>63827066
proof?

>>63823338 (OP)
>>63823338 (OP)
>Is the F-35 capable of penetrating an air defense network?

>>63823548
Fuck off malayschizo

>>63827023
cope

Bruh, "people" are swearing up and down that a fucking Tomcat shot down an F-35.

>>63827267
it's the same shit as 'all drones intercepted, burning debris being extinguished'

>>63826974
Whatever helps you sleep at night, thirdie.

>>63827267
Yeah, syrian girl posted the wreck from last year. They didnt shoot down shit.

>>63827267
The Iranian nuclear program returned to port under her own power.

>>63827024
Jolani is happy to see the IRGC get fucked

>>63823338 (OP)
How many times does it have to do that before you stop asking?

>>63823338 (OP)
How long does it take to learn to fly an f-35? I learn really quickly.

>>63828032
If you have already completed all the other prerequisites, the F-35 basic training is 9 months. Then a few months of mission qualification training when you're assigned to a unit.
The prereqs will also be several months for basic flight training and introduction to fighter training each.

If futas were real I'd bottom for one

retards on xitter are falling for this. the claim is that this is an F35

>>63828253
you know if i squint i could almost see it, but everything just looks a little off... especially how fucking neat the grass is around the 'crash'

>>63828253
did they make a prop?
>>63828306
bruv the proportions are all off, they even forgot to add the left wing the fucking retards

>>63828253
What bugs me the most is about the engine, still on fire, but the rest of the plane is not burning.

>>63828342
Yeah the fuel tanks in the wings apparently never ignited after bursting with that giant cinder of an engine 10 feet away. Truly a miracle. God's chosen people have all the luck.

>>63828504
The engine isn't right, and it didn't damage the ground either. It's clearly AI.

>>63828785
>It's clearly AI.
You don't say anon

>>63828253
It don't look right

>>63828324
it's uncanny valley but for a fucking plane... i think AI would have added more random repeating details, but the number on the tail there is just fucked up enough to make me think that it could be. i'd honestly applaud them a little if they did make a prop though

>>63824837
L-band is useless for anything other than knowing there is something in a given grid square in a direction. That's well and good, but the hard part is that you now have to fly to try to intercept something that you will have to get within ~18 miles of to even lock onto with the most powerful Iranian airborne radar they have (AWG-9). The F-35's DAS alone will pick you up at several times that range and let the pilot know you're coming. This is ignoring the fact that an F-35 can use the antennas around the aircraft to use your own emissions against you and cue the LPI radar to point in your direction and lock you without you even seeing a warning on your RWR. Even with the Irbis-E on something like an Su-35, a big ass radar with a ton of emissions power, if you are very lucky and have an AWACS nearby that can detect the F-35 without dying and cue your radar to very high duty cycle narrow FOV search, you are at best, with 0 ECM, going to track an F-35 head on in best case scenario (.01 m2 RCS) with 50% likelihood of maintaining lock at about 85km, or ~53 mi. The F-35 is going to be able to lock you, again with LPI radar that you will be unable to detect, at easily over 2x that distance. Stealth completely mogs non stealth aircraft so completely it isn't even fair

IAF kino

>>63823546
>Wasting top of the line fighters in some retard Slav conflict
Fucking no. And we shouldn’t have given them to the Jews either.

>>63829434
What the fuck do you think they were built for if not shitting on the Russians?

>>63829443
>What the fuck do you think they were built for if not shitting on the Russians?
Shitting on China.

>>63829434
based

>>63826592
>Fuck's sake this doesn't have enough T/R modules to act as a proper radar

It does.

>>63828253
No wonder it crashed, some idiot installed the tail fin backwards!

>>63829168
>L-band is useless for anything other than knowing there is something in a given grid square in a direction.

That's wrong, you can get a much more accurate location.
With triangulation you can even get a target track, all that is needed for that is two datalinked planes.

>Iran

Who the fuck talks about iran? Iran is utterly irrelevant.

>LPI

Doesn't work against anyone with an RWR made in the last 20 years.

>>63827279
whiter than you and with more guns, moahmmed/moshe

>>63823431
I'm going to drag it out, throw it on the bed, AND PLAP IT!

>>63823548
>F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31

>>63824940
Get a job chink

Is there a version of this pic with changs instead of jeets? Statement outing them as wumao immediately.

>>63831480
>MG
>Mini
>British

>>63831497
Don't blame me, the guy who placed india prominently at the center instead of Japan made it.

>>63830219

>>That's wrong, you can get a much more accurate location.

event though the physics are against me the argument is magically in my favor


> With triangulation you can even get a target track, all that is needed for that is two datalinked planes.

I will magically fly enough planes that I need in a hostile environment and the enemy will just let me haha

>Doesn't work against anyone with an RWR made in the last 20 years.

So not puccia and not china then

>shot down by iran
oh no no no no glowsisters..

>>63832432
Posting this in every thread after it’s been debunked isn’t going to make Iran win, Mohammed

>>63826494
The serbs also had people watching the airfield that the F-117's were taking off from and would call it in any time one took off. They always knew when the F-117's were flying. US got very complacent.

>>63823338 (OP)

>>63823338 (OP)
Penetrating? They make AD networks prolapse.

>>63823649
You have a rather myopic understanding of radar theory.

>>63826390
I'll take it any day over jew sources

>>63827267
no it was prob an S-400 retard
and the Tomcat has a powerful radar so it could do it
you fucking retards act like stealth literally makes planes invisible it just reduces RCS

>>63832477
coping that ur flying dog turd coated in radar-absorbant paint won't make ur jewish masters win faggot

>>63832602
or maybe stealth is just a fucking meme, they shot another F-117 later too with the same 60's era SAMs
cope harder nafotrannies

>>63839691
lol go seethe on pol with your brown buddies dumbass

>>63839679
>and the Tomcat has a powerful radar so it could do it
Hahahahahahahahaha
No.

The APG-71 from the F-14D maybe could, if you had two working together datalinked to extend the detection range.

But Iran flies the F-14A, with the AWG-9 radar that is only rated to detect a 5m^2 fighter at 200km. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell it could detect an F-35 that has 0.005m^2 frontal RCS, and even from the side or rear, still has a 0.1m^2 RCS. The F-14 would need to be within visual range to even have a hope of seeing an F-35 on radar.

>>63839691
BEHOLD AND COPE YIDS!

>>63840102
>APG-71 from the F-14D maybe could, if you had two working together datalinked to extend the detection range.
Damn, didn't know they could do that
> The system itself is capable of a 460-mile (740 km) range, but the antenna design limits this to only 230 miles (370 km). Use of datalinked radar data allows two or more F-14Ds to operate the system at its maximum range.
So two F-14Ds theoretically could detect a fighter at around 700km, and would likely be able to detect an F-35 at ~100km assuming it's not coming straight at them.

>>63840140
>One Tailed Angel

>>63823515
>be muslim
>live in a hopeless shithole compared to infidels
<mashallah islam is the one true religion god is obviously with us
>say quran
<immediately an explosion happens
are they ever going to realize god hates them? in b4 "it's just a test!"

>>63840170
Too bad the F-14D program got axed.

>>63823856
it is a very capable AA system but jew magic will always prevail.

>>63823338 (OP)
Word is they hit Iran without Iran ever seeing them coming.

>>63840140
Better than this one at least

>>63823338 (OP)
Whose? China's? Yes
Russia's? Maybe, but that's suicidal.

>>63823529
Iran...

Iran discovered Israel's tactics. It's over. We Americans should have never underestimated Iranian military. We are such hubris and now look how our pride goes.

>>63845880
I have enjoyed this, LOOK UPON THIS DOWNED F35 AND DESPAIR FOR THE WECT HAS FALLEN

>>63845985
Holy shit, never thought I'd see F35s on Mars

>>63829168
>knowing there is something in a given grid square in a directio
That's more than enough for OTH launches and you know it.

>>63829168
>LPI radar
Still traceable, idk why people think this is a magic bullet.

>>63831497
>Sir Alexander Arnold Constantine Issigonis was a British-Greek automotive designer.
>He designed the Mini, launched by the British Motor Corporation in 1959
>MG
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Rover_Group

They got bought out by shanghai but they are British.

Retard.

>>63845995
Kind of digging the middle tail.
For heavy yaw control so you can navigate without changing the reflection angles of your wings?

>>63839711
Didn't stop the bombs now did it?
>inb4 B-2 shootdown cope

>>63839711
cope harder thirdie
*bombs you*

>>63846906
Only the best free ai image gens can come up with

>>63847032
I think you need to give the slop a rest now anyway.

no but a p-51 mustang easily could

>>63823548
TELL US WHY THEY BOUGHT FOUR

>>63850380
They ordered 20.

>>63823906
>the US has less counter-stealth detection technology because they didn't think the chinese would be able to move so fast
pfwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahah ahahahahahah hahhah hahahaHAHhaahhahahaahHAhah haah fucking lol ....

ni hao faggot your entire stack is emulated garbage.

>>63850406
Tell us why they bought four originally! I want the copypasta!

>>63850380
They bought 4 F-35Bs with an option for 8 more, which they exercised, then they ordered 8 F-35As for a total of 20 F-35s the F-35B's are expected in 2026, the F-35As in 2030.

>>63850435
but he is right

look the advancements china has done to the aesa and passive radar tech

and look what usa has done they have nothing developed in house 99% of their aesa radars are made in israel

:^)
There is one over Kyiev if you are want to try American faggots. turkieye did not chose you, France is having regret, east missile eats bad f-35

>>63823548
>china
This is a lie, the Isreal ones got this from Australia when they wifi hacked the joint command system, the turkieye pilots knew nothing. Everthing China has is coming from isreal, the globalywawk, f415 thrusters, always from isreal.

>>63850985
hahaha even the english speaking are know, the whole world is a know about isreal and the sacrilege of jew. Zelinsky is not a ukranian.
everyone is aware of the antichrist, and the jews hae become afraid

>>63851183
>>63851187
>>63851189
This isn't even ESL, this is straight up machine translation.

>>63824791
retard dod wanted the f35 to also fit the navy, so the hull got reconfigured to accommodate the f35-c. If you look at the large line bump on the engine thats where the tailhook for the navy variant goes.

Basically they designed the airframe with the most important technology first, then just threw in the other stuff last.

You can see the difference from the f35 and the f22, with the f22 being more flat. Which is the same decision the chinks took with the j35. Its also what aviation experts say the f35 was suppose to be, but dod decision to have it be a one for all system for the navy as well lead into compromises.

>>63823649
>retardedly high
Not any meaningful leap above (large) fighter 50+ year old radars. You also dont understand how radio works. You need 10x the power for 10 more decibel transmist power. Going from 15 to 50kw is a 6db increase of power.
6db is basically the threshold for detecting signal from static.

So your 50kw modern radar, with aesa and processing and whatnot, can see an f-22 from 30 miles and not get a track and fire solution until 15-20. An old high power radar such as F-14 or mig31 might be 20 miles detect 10 miles lock. A typical medium level fighter radar (old) might be 10 to 12 miles detect. Etc.

>>63823338 (OP)
Yes.

>>63823338 (OP)
Ask the Iranians. They are the greatest experts on the topic.

>>63829434
>wasting top of the line fighters
6 fighters is what? 2 weeks worth of production? I'd say it's worth the wait.

>>63856015
Nice to see someone who truly understands the scale of the F-35 production in Texas.

>>63823670
>So if stealth is thoroughly solved and countered, why bother?
Solving it IRL costs money. You can overwhelm the defense system with large enough fleet of stealth planes and vice-versa.

>>63856380
Stealth just isn’t thoroughly solved and countered, simple as.
Knowing a plane is in a 20x20 km box of air somewhere near you is a useless level of detection and any missile you fire into that cloud of possibility will be detected and dodged while long before the close range seeker of the missile ever starts tracking ans homing in on the fighter.
even if it get ridiculously lucky and the missile gets it in scope, it won’t have been setting up for the right approach beforehand and will likely lose significant energy turning to face it, or simply be too late to do that anyway.
Anything else is chink cope.

>>63856031
Honestly the lack of automation on these annoys me.
The first country to fully automate plane/drone production is the first country to win the world.

>>63851713
Flat is actually inefficient, you create a fuck huge radar return in one direction that theoretically could be used to detect your general location if it reflects off of anything else on the ground afterwards.
Better to scatter a smaller amount wide behind you instead, creates a lot more noise.

Why is S-300/400 so ineffective? Is it the Iranian operators?

>>63823338 (OP)
Are we talking flying over Libya's flak cannons or Russia's SAM grid?
We will never see manned enemy aircraft over a relevant power again. Their role will be long range AA, missile interception and launching standoff weapons.

>>63823521
CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG
GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT

>>63827267
Just as ridiculous as Hezbollah claiming they'd destroyed 50 merkavas when IDF invaded Lebanon

>>63856703
>The first country to fully automate plane/drone production is the first country to win the world.
I imagine there's a bazillion different finicky things that go into making a plane that aren't really convenient to get a machine to do. If you've got enough materials and money and engineer nerds lying around to print out competitive planes like economy cars you've probably already won without the full automation anyway.

>>63856799
only ukies operated s-300 effectively so far

>>63853861
You're the guy who just makes random shit up.
You don't even understand how the db scale works.

>>63856492
Just because you repeat it over and over doesn't make it any more true.
Anti-stealth VHF radars don't give you a "20x20km box" we're talking about a couple dozen or maybe couple 100 meters of inaccuracy.
Less with triangulation from 2 sources over time.
Both mean that a datalinked missile can be guided to withhin a few km, and then use it's millimeter wave radar which gives a very precise track to lock on and hit the target dead on.

This was explained to you dozens of times, yet you seem to totally fail to understand the physics of this.

>>63857219
>I imagine there's a bazillion different finicky things that go into making a plane that aren't really convenient to get a machine to do.

That's a badly designed plane than.
The trick is to engineer things not only to perform well, but also make them highly manufacturable.
This is the sort of shit only Tesla and SpaceX really pull off in the US (hence why they can compete) and china ofc.

>>63857894
Take for example P-18 (because unclassified) VHF radar.
Azimuth accuracy: 6 degrees.
Range accuracy: 1800m.
Altitude accuracy: doesn't provide target altitude coordinates.

>>63823521

>>63857883
You're just a useless sperg who cant into examples. Also go to a radio power > db calc and plug 15 and 50 in. 5.2dB. Oooh ahhh it wasnt exactly 6... oh no my pride is shattered.

Dumbass faggot.

Definitely penetrated Iran's

>>63823670
Because only china is sophisticated and war hardened to pull off hard countering stealth. They are deliberately letting iran and russia be mulched down to get rid of competitors. Also so when the final decisive battle happens over Taiwan, they can surprise the underestimating mutts destroying all of their carriers and planes. Securing the entire Pacific in one swell swoop