Thread 63823738

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Smerch Edition
>Thread #2065

Old thread here >>63757549

AK Buyer's Guides

>Rifles
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/SimpleBuyersGuide
>Magazines
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality

who made these camo pistol grips?

>>63823771
Somebody with stencils and some rattle cans? I'm not sure what you're asking. They're not a factory made product if that's your question.
Why not ask the seller?

>>63823791
that answers it thanks, I thought it was factory made I couldn't tell it was stenciled

>>63823801
Looking closer, it might be hydrawrapped or something similar. The shape of that specific grip is off somehow, so it might be a factory made product, but not a military one.
More like Centerfire selling these, that they made in house from worst Korean mags.
>is the whole lot $20? Snag it, that's a good start to a parts bin

>>63823861
awesome I was thinking it might be either chinese airsoft crap or from some backwater poor country like armenia

>>63823738 (OP)
Jalashnikov

>>63824046
based

is the kns piston a meme

what sight mount?

>>63829682
>Everything is a meme except of course, Milhouse
Are you going to be running a suppressor?
If not, is your rifle unreasonably overgassed?

>>63829710
>am i going to be sending a check to the ATF
No, I'm not gay

>>63829698
If i had to hazard a guess based on the almost zero discernible info from that pic, I'd say an RS regulate forward bias lower with the Aimpount Micro upper.

>>63829716
Then why buy an adjustable piston?

I’m on the fence about getting a WBP 5.56 as my first entry into AKs, but I keep seeing people having accuracy issues with them even after they’ve been (supposedly) resolved. 5.56 because I already have the ammo for it and don’t want to get into another caliber. WBP because I’m actually in Poland at the moment and want a Polish AK as a souvenir. I’m not much of a traveler but it would be neat to have a firearm from every country I visit as a collection. I know Beryl’s are probably the way to go but they’re a known quantity now and would prefer something I can cater to my own preferences and not have to worry about the value. But with WBP I worry about having a functionally accurate rifle and replacing the barrel either immediately or when it wears out. What do?

>>63830302
It’s more expensive to replace an ak barrel than say an ar barrel. You’re probably better off with the beryl as the wpb 556 barrel is nitrided non-chf 4150 steel, not the worst but hardly the best, if you plan to shoot it a lot you’ll end up replacing the barrel sooner.
If you’re not stuck on polish then I would suggest an m90, cheaper and better barrel.
Lastly value shouldn’t be a factor, unless it’s no longer in production or imported then it’s like a car , once you own it it’s used.

ak barrels weren't made to be replacable.

>>63831441
They are replaceable but its an arsenal level repair

>>63831446
Not really. I've seen retards do it with all thread, a piece of flat bar stock, and a few pennies.
It's not something I'd suggest for the non-mechanically inclined though.

I ordered a Beryl

>>63831734
sweet

>>63831892
Ty, thinking of getting this for it so I can put a light and grip on it.
https://atlanticfirearms.com/akml-akm-lower-aluminum-handguard-tdi-arms

Hello yes I got my Ukranian KPYK handguard on my 5.45 WaffenWerks before they stopped distributing in America

>>63832430
bot

>>63832380
>8 miles of gay rail with nothing on it
Unsurprising but still disappointed

>>63832654
this is recent, I will be putting a Aimpoint Micro T2, a Streamlight, and an FRT on it.

>>63832761
>FRT
What's the go to FRT if there are more than one? The only one I've heard of has been the MARS one.
https://www.theakforum.net/threads/ak-mars-frt-trigger.340101/
There's a whole rabbit hole of BS that the current manufacturer had to deal with. Apparently these two browns here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc6RWmHXBow
ripped off a bunch of people, and they never paid the machinist who was producing them.
the machinist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HTll0nVSAc

>>63833622
samefagging here

>>63833988
Seems like more and more AKSS's are popping up.
I'll be waiting for a 3 position one, personally.

Plum grip from Desert Fox came in today. $60 shipped for it, not bad at all for a brand new in wrap plum grip with a little bit of fleck.

>>63834892
This faggot spent $60 on over-dyed plastic
>it wuz worf it
LOL the cope

>>63835011
Yeah, here's the link if you want one too:
https://www.desertfoxsales.com/Russian_Plum_Grip_p/dfs-570.htm

Got a Chinese clone of an OKP-7 but it seems pretty sturdy, need to go buy batteries and shoot tomorrow

>>63835361
Nice that's dope, where from?

>>63833622
>>63833988
>>63834463

Made a KP9 Version - just a shortened trip bar and cam alterations.
https://youtube.com/shorts/OTT41IZu77M

>>63835383
Showed up in my TL, some japanese airsofter, but looking at the documents and now holding it in person really feels nice. Ive never held a real OKP but this has Novus PDS1 Quality to it

>>63835414
>>63835383
https://x.com/Atamanee/status/1916091323603394689

>>63835414
>>63835419
Looks good but also looks like Aliexpress, I'm not against chinkshit lol. Hope the tarrifs aren't gonna fuck it up too badly.

>>63835361
Fuck man I have been looking at these and flip-flopping about ordering one. How is it? Please post up here once you have shot it a bit.

>>63823738 (OP)
Any recommendations on bullet weight for a 16" Saiga .308? Been liking 150 gr so far

>>63835676
will do, takes shitty disk batteries tho

>>63835385
Sick

What optic would you guys put on an RPK? red dot and magnifier, primary arms micro prism, some kind of LPVO; what else is there pka posp?

>>63835871
very cool

>>63837008
Stay away from the PSO/POSP style optics unless you are tying to clone. The currently available models from belomo are of low quality and the military grade ones are expensive and or old. Makes much more sense to get a modern optic if you intend to use it seriously.

>>63837102
Roger that, thank you. I had a feeling that was going to be the deal with those types. Right now I'm leaning towards the PA micro prism on an RS regulate.

>>63837102
>>63837202
Tbf I love my BelOMO POSP 4x it's been good to me for the 4 years I've owned it.
I've had a number of various Primary Arms optics and I'd say this POSP is on par with the SLx line

>>63837438
Damn, that looks so cool.

>>63837441
It's close to being fully done too. But not yet

>>63837464
sleek and svelt

bump

>>63837464
What's the functional accuracy out of that thing? I always hear about .308 / 7.62x51 / 7/62x54 AKs being inaccurate.
>(1)(1)

the change in my couch cushions should cover it

>>63840973
>NFA
>parts kit
How or why is this an NFA item?

>>63841137
Not properly deactivated. Still considered a firearm.

I can't hear the steel ring at 100 yards but I can see the gong taking hits

>>63841137
idk, maybe it was an NFA item before it was seized and chopped up.

>>63834892
speaking of grips does anybody know where to find an polish thiccy

>>63841271
GoBroker is about the only place with them currently.
>boomers and Reddit sucked them all up

>>63829698
RS Regulate AK-301M, RS Regulate AKML Aimpoint Micro mount, AMMJ Ergonomic Solutions Aimpoint Micro to AEMS adapter plate.

It aight.

>>63841589
sick

>>63841589
Do you have any photos of the big ak in the back?

Anyone know a good site to ak-74 furniture that isn't horribly expensive for dogshit quality.

>>63841271
AK files has them listed often

>>63842217
Atlantic or Arms of America black or plum colored polymer for $89 is really good

>>63842318
Thanks

>>63835676
rain fucked plans today, looks better tomorrow tho

$100 for a magazine
$60 for a pistol grip
it's like these boomers are playing with monopoly money

>>63843032
careful, someone might call you a poorfag for noticing something's wrong

Do I spend $550 on a PT-1 or is it shit?
please tell me theyre shit

>>63843041
>is it shit?
rhetorical question
the real question is "is this shitty $550 stock worth it to me bcuz its from ruzzia" and only you can answer that
never forget the anon that paid some fuddbroker boomer $1,000 for a metal mag that had a fleur de lis stamped on it

>>63843159
probably not.
you guys have any stock suggestions, I'm getting a chin weld right now

>>63835361
What's in the booooox?

>>63843286
primary arms prisms sit really low against optic mounts so unless you're really set on eotech i would get one

>>63843649
lol well you told me this the day after I bought an eotech. honestly i like the eotech on ak vibes so its fine, maybe ill get one of those akou risers, although i wish they just sold them in plain black or leather

>>63843639
My 9M14 Malyutka

>>63843842
SICK

>>63841137
I think that's EveryGunPart. If so, nothing is legally considered a gun there, all demilled. They put "NFA" in the title of parts kits that would be a gun requiring a stamp if they were put back in the configuration they were before they were demilled. So think mostly buyback or evidence long guns, like old break action single/double shotguns with barrels chopped under 18", AR parts kits with uppers under 16", old 22s that someone chopped the stock off and cut the barrel under 16, etc. My assumption is the barrel is over 16" but it includes the trigger group, so it would fit in their category of "NFA" because without altering the parts included, restoring it as-is would create a machinegun. Sorta silly categorization but once you get used to it, it makes some sense.

does one of you fine autist know the material of the pbs-1 ?
is it steel or aluminium ?
how thick ?
i want one, buy dont want to spend 500 on one yet
i looked for the baffle design, i believe i can build one from an airshit pbs-1 clone, reusing the tube and threading

>>63844086
lmfao retard
it's made of Pot metal just like your chinkum, duh.

>>63844086
might get the dead air version instead, its steel and higher quality, though a little more expensive

>>63843159
>never forget the anon that paid some fuddbroker boomer $1,000 for a metal mag that had a fleur de lis stamped on it
When did that happen?
>it sure wasn't from Thread #1345

>>63844260
>$995
HOLY BUCKETS

>>63843032
>it's like these boomers are playing with monopoly money
Because it is monopoly money.

>>63844371
the minimum wage is the fucking lowest its ever been in history and because of that all wages are shifted down
i hate greedy fucking boomers so much

>>63844417
>t. entitled zoomer
Here's a protip - don't work for minimum wage, nigger.

>>63844442
tell that to me after you've submitted 109 applications and been rejected by all of them like i have

>>63844154
im not finding it in my yuro country
also, they seems to cost the same as an actual pbs-1.
ive wanted to print a whisper in the desert, but im afraid about the hest resistance, if it start drooping on a hot day and i get a baffle strike, its not good

>>63844102
stop licking lead and go take an engineering course
if a 3d printed suppressor can whistand the muzzle blast, a cnc aluminium tube reinforced from the inside will too
you are just a consooooomer than cant build your own shit and cant think how to get around a technical problem
you answered 0 (zero) questions ive asked, kill yourself

>>63844462
Oy vey, that's just not right. It must be someone else's fault.

>>63844484
>the same as
i'm seeing it as even more than the original, but the original is a 61 year old design and the bar for suppressor quality wasnt very high back then
i'm guessing the original is probably just steel because the soviets were too poor to make it out of something as expensive as aluminum

>>63844086
It's aluminium. Not sure about the baffle "cage", it's likely steel.

>>63844530
heres the dead air baffles for comparison
one article said that the original is only half as effective as this one

>>63844524
>the soviets were too poor to make it out of something as expensive as aluminum
Lol. Lmao even.

>>63844536
I doubt it was even half as effective.
The real one's were meant to be only shot with factory 57-N-231U subsonic ammunition and have the subsonic rubber washers replaced every 25 rounds. Not exactly "efficient"

>>63844539
it was a guess, a wrong one, but cut me some slack for not expecting much from the soviets

>>63844524
>the soviets were too poor to make it out of something as expensive as aluminum
nigger they made a titanium submarine hull.
>>63844536
wouldn't surprise me in the least, the original pbs-1 used normal washers for baffles. expedient and better than nothing, but there was definitely room for improvement

>>63844560
>nigger they made a titanium submarine hull
yea and they made the world's largest atomic bomb that is unbested to this day
but when it comes to small arms they tended to operate with extremely large scale in mind
though i guess a suppressor would've been uncommon enough on the battlefield and seen as a luxury accessory

>>63844530
>>63844536
thanks anon !!
do you have any idea of the tubes thickness ?
i think I will try with the airshit supressor body
might even try printing the baffle stack

or see if i can find some unblocked aliexpress baffles to build it

>>63844550
the soviets were quite clever. they werent cheap, they were lowtech, thats a huge part of the appeal to me

>>63844550
>it was a guess
Why guess when the answer was a short search away on the same device you used to be wrong?
>but cut me some slack for not expecting much from the soviets
"No"
Don't see an American bakelite fishgun, now do ya?

>>63844600
i did look it up though, google is useless
the wikipedia page doesnt say it and all the results for "pbs-1 material" give me the dead air's materials
>>63844586
if you live in an area where suppressors are unregulated you can probably just buy some "oil filter/solvent trap" parts in the right size off a chinese website or something, or hell even just washers
plastic baffles will suck ass and do literally nothing

>>63844610
>i did look it up though, google is useless
So did I. Found it no problem. Even the gay AI knew.
You suck at internetting, I guess.

>>63844629
shut the fuck up you phone nigger, AI is unreliable as shit for shit like this

>>63844629
like shit, atleast i had the fucking intelligence to doubt that what google was telling me was actually what i was talking about and make an assumption based off what i know about the soviets instead
and if the reproduction suppressor was steel its not far fetched to assume that the original might've been the same

i hate google so fucking much

>>63844642
Here's a tip. Use a "-" sign to exclude results.
>Example : Russian PBS 1 construction -dead
>>63844648
>at least i had the fucking intelligence to doubt that what google was telling me was actually what i was talking about and make an assumption based off what i know about the soviets instead
Which apparently is absolutely fuck all.
I didn't trust googled AI either, I found better sources. I merely pointed out that you're dumber than it.
You're madder at me for posting from my phone than you are at yourself for your inability to utilize the tools to their fullest capability.
>tl;dr get gud nigger

>>63844610
i searched for those, couldnt find anything that looked like a suppressor
i think that since they are unregulated, nobody bother to try to make suppressors component as random shit
diy gave the same advice and i couldnt find one either on amazon or aliexpress (ali do block some searches, answering unrelated stuff)
ive already modeled and printed a suppressor for 22lr, which work great
for 7.62 tho...
plus i want the look of the pbs-1 and a cool gunsmithing project

>>63844629
to be fair to the retarded anon, i too couldnt find either

>>63844984
whats the diameter of the baffles you need to fit into the airsoft suppressor body? i might be able to help you look for something

>>63844984
>to be fair to the retarded anon, i too couldnt find either
It's fine anon, just giving him a little shit.
I can't find the ID on the tube either, but I did run across this. You might have to find someone with one and have them mic it.
>or really dig around

>>63845100
that drawing looks technical enough that you could probably use the barrel size as a reference point for the diameter

>>63845140
The source says it's to scale, so that sounds possible.
>the source
http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA1.html

>>63845052
i dont know yet
right now im pondering whether i should bite the bullet, and which model to buy
im almost sure there is no standard for those fake foam suppressor (there is foam inside the aluminium body tube)
thanks for the proposition, i will come back to this thread (or the next one) onve ive got a tube and confirmed it can mount on the muzzle

>>63845100
thanks for the drawing
how did you found those ? tbf im bad at searching for this kind of shit, and I dont know what im looking for

this is a good thread

>>63845188
damn 2 fast 4 me

>>63845188
>gunwriters
love these guys, their information helped me with a gun i'm building

>>63844560
Their submarines also have a knack for sinking

>>63829682
Yeah they're kind of a meme because pretty much everyone is making low-backpressure cans at this point.

>>63844260
2020 ish iirc
>>63844280
Yeah those and the prototype translucent mags are peak "i know what I got"

>>63846029
>2020 ish iirc
Gonna need you to do better than that.
It's not that important but I'm genuinely curious, because I don't remember that.
>the prototype translucent mags are peak "i know what I got"
Which ones?

>>63843286
Keep the wood. Make a cheek riser out of anything. Foam and tape should work fine.

>>63846101
Thats the best you're going to get without a please and thank you nigger

>>63846268
Pretty please, and thank you nigger

>>63841723
ya
I also have a bunch of pics and even some vids of russians using them in anti drone rolls contemporaneously

>>63846293
>rolls
Roles, wuggy. Roles. htf you get that wrong and correctly spell contemporaneously?
>not just strapping your Vepr 12 to a drone to hunt other drones
Are you even drone warfaring?

MAK90!!!!!

so if SBRs get taken off the NFA what is the best 556 shorty ak i can get?

Peepee poopoo, Bulgarian cool

>>63846293
sick
I want a vepr12, but theyre so expensive ;_;
I've learned my lesson now that I should buy the cool stuff when they are available because they always disappear whether by import restrictions, model discontinuation, manufacturer shuttering, or legislation.

>>63843286
>>63848482
Alternatively and sort of fitting to the GP-25 pad aesthetic, buy one of the tourniquet and bandage sets and wrap it neatly where you'd find it comfortable.

>>63848508
>like this, but wrapped more purposefully as a cheek rest

>>63848482
>>63848508
>>63848512
interesting maybe ill try one of these thanks

>>63848310
M85!!!!!

>>63840973
>>63841137
>>63841144
>>63841244

There's zero way that parts kit should be worth 25k. The anon that said it wasn't properly demilled is correct, single saw cuts aren't enough anymore. However that rifle wouldn't be worth 25k either. It made me think of something though but it's not the most likely reason so...take it as it is.
With that price and including NFA in the title, maybe the rifle is a transferable that could be re-welded and be rebuilt as a legally select-fire rifle. The 25k price tag suddenly makes a lot more sense since the rifle isn't fully demilled.
I've read that this situation came up more often in the past with Chinese receivers but I can't corroborate that.

>>63844462
Join the military then dumb dumb. They'll hire you and you have one of the salaries of all time.

>>63840174
I haven't ever tried to shoot for accuracy honestly. I don't really shoot it much because good .308 isn't cheap and bad .308 also isn't cheap and also sucks.
I've read about the big boolet AKs being inaccurate but the only specific instances are the 54r Veprs with 24" barrels shooting something ridiculous like 6-8 MOA. Shame too because those arguably are the coolest ones.

>>63843032
AKs have been a rich man's game since the scamdemic sorry lil bro

>>63848310
>>63848652
This. M85 with an underfolder is my plan

sup niggas don't mind me just on my way to stock up on some stocks now that the SHORT act was added to the Big Beautiful Bill

>>63848901
Nah I got one of the 20in variants that does the same thing, even recrowned mine trying to improve it. Far as I can tell it's due to a comically loose chamber

>>63849917
yo mama has a comically loose chamber

>>63848883
might unironically go the officer route once i get my degree

>>63849944
die for israel

>>63849924
Kek , but really if you tilt it back 20 degrees or more the round just falls out vs all my nagants that needed a tap holding at 90 degrees to fall out

Anybody else getting connection errors when trying to post images?

>>63849882
what are ya buiyin?

>>63849882
B A S E D if true

>>63849057
they both look never fired

interesting

>>63850028
test

>>63850062
I clean em, taken both out shooting 10-15 times

>>63848310
ACE 13" unironically

How much effort is there in converting a receiver for a side folding stock trunnion? I know it would be easier to just get a receiver with the holes already cut, but I have this one already and it is proving to be a pain in the ass to sell to anyone.

Were AKs cheaper at some point? I cant find anything under 700. The stuff I want is like 1200

>>63851799
Got my saiga for $400

What can I get that's new & American made but I also like the USSR aesthetic?

>>63852970
Any American made AK with wooden parts i guess? Honestly a retarded question

>>63852970
>new & American made
A sling

>>63852970
Galil ace gen 2

>>63852970
psa's stuff is fine if you NEED american made, or a wasr
but if you actually value your money you'd get a zpap m70

>>63852970
there are no good american made AKs

>>63852970
PSA krink, AK101 or GF3. Then put surplus furniture and sling on

>>63851409
Follow this guy's thread. He's a 10/10 builder and smart as fuck.
https://www.theakforum.net/threads/my-zastva-m92-conversion-to-4-5mm-side-folder.318097/

>>63855973
Its good guide but I really suggest grinding down the welds with pic rel instead of a dremel. You'll get a much nicer finish that way. The contact surface of a dremel sanding wheel is too small so you'll get an uneven finish grind. 1-2 inch abrasive pads work awesome for this. Its 30 bucks at harbor freight and makes the final result so much better.

Anybody have a guide with measurements for riveting on a side rail for an M72? I found this one for an ak74, but I'm not sure if I need info specific to the m72. snagged a WBP side rail
https://www.theakforum.net/threads/riveting-ak-74-scope-rail-w-akbuilder-rivet-jig.332252

>>63855973
Fantastic write up

Century should bring the Champion back

>>63857134
They're too busy overcharging for WASRs and pushing their bullshit American made trash to do anything cool like that.

>>63850208
This. Get the rock-and-lock Gen 1.5 from Dissident Arms if they still have any in stock. You'll have to do some gunsmithing to replace the brace though.

>>63823738 (OP)
AKM vs RK 62 vs Zastava M70
Which one is the best? What are their pros and cons?
I have experience with the M70, but Im really curious about the RK 62. How does it compare?

>>63858022
I LOVE SERBIA
I HAVE BEEN WANTING A SERB WAIFU

>>63858022
we used to smoke ciggies in the ass tube of the rk-62 while on guard duty so assholes with NVGs couldn't see the lit end
that's all I have to share about the rifle
t:finn who served circa 2002

>>63858715
hahaha genius, btw who are the assholes with NVGs? Russians? Or just your officers or who ever is going to crew you out for some BS reason

>>63859179
NTA but friendly opfor most likely. Dude pretending to be Russians for exercise.

Someone has to be thinking about manufacturing an RPK in 5.56 right?
>Zastava
>Century
>PSA

>>63859179
like anon >>63859200 said, friendly opfor during exercises and the occasional COs checking on us. Knowing thermals and current gen NVGs I wouldn't try the trick during war, I'd just suck on nicotine pouches.

>>63859323
For who? The 3 people who want them that can't afford the one's already out there?
>It's a niche within a niche
Sorry bud, it's probably not going to happen.

>>63859323
https://otbfirearms.com/valmet-model-78-rpk-5-56mm-fully-transferable/

>>63859414
That's nice.
Utah, get me 2.

>>63859407
>the one's already out there?
which one?

>>63859414
>45k burger bucks
https://www.fusil.fi/?item=2456
[spoiler]good luck getting the license to buy one in this country tho[/spoiler]

>>63859433
nvm its not even a select fire one
3,5k for a never fired semi RPK seems a bit too much

>>63858715
I did that with M16 mags.

>>63859431
Chinese AKS223
VEPR IV
Arsenal RPK-5

LGS has picrel for $580 bucks. I know Pioneer stuff has a pretty bad reputation, but from what I've seen and heard the forged AK's they made are alright.
LGS also has a new PSA GF3 for 650 which is the same price as on the website that I was originally planning on getting.
Are both still too shitty to be worth buying?
I go to the range like 6 times a year so I really just want something to put shit on and look at occasionally.
I could really care about how well my rifle shoots at like 2000 rounds cause it'll take me 6 years to get to that point.

>>63859481
>Are both still too shitty to be worth buying?
Yes

>>63859484
Fair enough

>>63859495
Maybe I'll get the GF3 then since if it shits the bed its at least covered under warranty.

>>63859456
interesting, how did you do it? did you push down the spring and follower down with something or just remove them?

>>63859479
Oh, I thought you meant current production; I think there is some renewed interest in it. With FRTs, people are really into making their AR RPKs. Also, 7.62x39 is no longer cheaper than 5.56. Maybe I'm in a bubble because I'm seeing a lot of youtube stuff of people building AR versions of the RPK.

>>63859495
Sorry man. The AK market is trash, but you buying garbage wouldn't help.
>>63859502
>warranty
Not going to bring you back to life. Enjoy your AK shaped object.

>>63859521
Youtube isn't a reflection of real life.
Nobody cares about FRTs, other than the legalities behind it. It's fun to mag dump but it gets expensive a lot quicker when your ammo isn't sponsored.
So you're either waiting forever on something that almost nobody cares about, or buying an already imported overpriced meme caliber RPK.

>>63859566
checked
I guess it would just be cheaper to shoot 7.62x39 forever instead of putting together a whole new 5.56 RPK. Shame

>>63859505
Slide the baseplate out of the way a bit, partially slide cig into the gap and push the basplate back a little to hold the butt while enjoying your smoky treat.

>>63859671
>Shame
It is, and unfortunately the AK market is fucked six ways because of all the bullshit regulations and bans that have occurred over the decades, often to prop up the shitty failing AR markets.
>steel case 7.62x39 was banned because an AR manufacturer, for instance

If I want a 7.62x39 AK would a Jack be a good choice? I know you can get ones without furniture for like $800.

>>63859481
yes, they are too shitty to buy. You can find good deals on imports if you just look. I found picrel in 30 seconds of searching.

>>63859953
>century arms
Unironically just as bad

>>63859919
I love mine went about 1600 rounds in a row not a single failure and no cleaning and seems to be pretty accurate at 100 yards at least

>>63859970
century arms is just the importer, dingus. RH10s are made by Cugir in Romania. It is really just a WASR with a combo gas block.

>>63859970
Are you retarded

Does anyone have a lead on AKM style POSP mounts?

>>63860044
Yeah the ignorance on display is wild.

>>63860230
God no. Those things were impossible to find even years ago before everything got banned.
>Closest I could turn up, there were a few others as well
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296822694582
https://www.ebay.com/itm/388381845554

>>63859919
love my Jack too, no peening or wear anywhere after 1000 rounds and no failures. The wood furniture is really good miltary grade I would just get that

>>63860393
Thanks. I actually just now realized that the mounts are interchangeable between PSOP and the Belomo side mount which I already have. I need more eye relief for my M77-not-dragunov project so I'll swap the mounts and then mill a slot so it stops further like in this video.

https://youtu.be/Kb6p7zitsdQ?t=216

>>63860461
is that an M85? how do you like it?

>>63860461
Good to know . I'll probably get one around Christmas on sale from Atlantic Firearms then.

>>63860496
wait nvm. Its interchangeable but it won't work. fuck. The slot is too small to support it

>>63860461
>Stop shooting the cacti pls

>>63860496
>>63860506
So you're trying to put this on an M77? Don't all yugos have the M21 side rail?
I'm guess I'm not understanding what you're expecting a different lower mount to achieve.
I'm not even sure an AKM mount would work at all, because the stop pin would be in the wrong end, no?
>Either way I don't think you'll be getting any change in eye relief regardless of the lower mount.

>>63860510
nog behavior

>>63860562
The M77 side mount is SVD but its too far back to comfortably use traditional combloc optics. I mispoke when I said AKM. I meant AKM universal. These don't have a pin but instead stop at using a flat spot on the rear. By modifying a universal AKM side rail I'd get the mount to sit about 1.5 inches further forward. I was hoping to cut a relief in the rear stop so it would stop on the lower guide protrusion of the Yugo mount. Normally it would stop on the red section but if I cut a relief it would slide forward until it stops at the green position. The upper rail would pass through the slot I mill out. Unfortunately the universal Belomo mount doesn't have a continuous top clamp section so it would be loose if too far forward. I'll have to find a different mount to modify.

I've also considered grinding the stopper pin of a regular mount and then drill/tapping a series of holes in order to use a set screw instead. That way I can just swap the set screw around depending on the rifle. If I'm not mistaken there are a few military scopes that did that.

At one point someone sold a PSO mount adapter for the M77 that was offset forward but they're gone now

>>63860497
yea it is, it's fantastic, I'll never sell it. Similar to the Jack in round count at 1000 with no stoppages and no wear or peening at all. A must get is to swap the rear 2-position rear sight into this 2-position. It's so much better and makes night and day difference in fun shooting it. Flips between traditional krink v-notch and peep. M85 comes with a two dot white rear flip up and the other position is long range two dot. Maybe some people like that more but I don't. Works perfect with bulgarian 5.56 mags, AC unity, WBP and Beryl translucent polymers, Zastava steel, AK74 plums and bakelites with 5.56 followers, and steel 40 round 5.56 paki mags. I got a few different color wood handguards for it.

>>63860676
fuck yeah man its on the list then for when the short act passes hopefully

Is picrel "good" for the price or is it corrosive dogshit. Doubt its any good but hope some other anon's have experience with it.

>>63860676
sorry here's the link I meant to post, may be able to find it somewhere else
https://khybercustoms.com/zpap-m85-m92-v-notch-peep-sight/

My Beryl arrives on Monday /akg/. I can hardly wait :)

>>63860682
it's a great choice, my plan is to buy it an underfolding stock and ditch the brace when SHORT passes

>>63860647
>M77 side mount is SVD
It's an M21, that's why none of that shit works. You're trying way to hard to fit a scope that isn't "accurate" in any sense.
Why not just buy an RS Yugo mount and nice glass instead?
Or if you insist on combloc find a ZRAK.
Just seems like a nightmare of your own making for no real reason.
>it's your time/money though, so go off

>>63858086
>>63858087
AK-308 mags are neat

>>63860510
>>63860627
I hate that the saguaros get shot. I never shoot them I just take pics

>>63860757
>Just seems like a nightmare of your own making for no real reason.
I will not disagree with that

>>63860647
I agree with this >>63860757 anon.

Don't shy away from the M76 or Tabuk aesthetic, it looks great on its own!

>>63860647
>>63860801
Different than AKs but awesome in their own right.

>>63860796
Then I would recommend precisely measuring your rifle (preferably laser scanned) and getting a custom mount made.
https://jlc3dp.com/
>It's not as expensive as you'd think.

Kalashnikov to Start Production of Upgraded 7.62mm AK-308 Assault Rifle After Qualification Tests

Specialists from the Design and Technology Center (DTC) of Kalashnikov Concern JSC have improved the 7.62mm AK-308 assault rifle of the 2018 model. Production of the upgraded AK-308 of the 2025 model will begin after the product passes qualification tests.

Initially, the AK-308 was developed on the basis of the AK-12 of the 2018 model for delivery to countries whose armies use the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win) cartridge as the main ammunition for infantry small arms. However, when the AK-12 was used in a special operation, significant changes were made to its design. Therefore, on an initiative basis, the employees of the Kalashnikov DTC unified the designs of circuit solutions in the AK-308.

is there any side mounted optic system i could use that wont look like ass on my vz58?
as far as i can tell theres some interchangeability between the different vz58 mounts (an RS regulate and a CSA optic mount will fit on a master mount rail for example)
my main issue is that i just dont like the modern look of the optic mounts available for it, and i want something more like what this guy has >>63860496 or this >>63860757
so i'm wondering if they'll fit on the CSA side rail

>>63860723
Sterling used to be rebranded Barnaul, which was great ammo. However, those rounds do not look like Barnaul. I think Sterling is now rebranded turkish ammo. Likely corrosive.

>>63860908
You can basically use anything labeled "AKM" or "univseral"
The previously mentioned Belemo mount will work but they're kinda shitty

>>63860953
alright
should i be worried too much about the scope being centered over the top of the gun since the AK's width is probably different? i feel like it wont matter as long as i zero it but idk if it'll feel weird or not

Is there a better way to spend $1500?

>>63860991
>5.56
>not 5.45

>>63860991
i have a big nose and the weird polish rear trunnion optic mount bumps it and i hate it

>>63860997
no thanks, I actually intend to shoot my guns

unless we start getting some ukraine surplus

>>63860991
It's the best 5.56 ak you can buy today.
>>63860997
Post 5.45 stash lil bro

>>63861011
>i have a big nose
I think a Galil is more your speed

Are you down wit da Brothaz, /akg/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK2APKTQhB0

>>63860963
I wouldn't worry about it if all you want to mount is a red dot. I just measured my AK and VZ-58. The VZ-58 is 1.128 at that section and the AK is 1.360 so about 0.2 inches of difference. It will be offset to the left by about half that. Me personally? I wouldn't really give a shit unless I had a really nice magnified optic or something. Some older mounts are offset by default.

>>63861032
I mean offset to the right. Im retarded sorry. it will hang over to the right casue vz-58 chan is skinnier

>>63861032
i'm primarily gonna be using scopes with it most likely
one thermal scope and either a normal one or a prism scope (not sure yet but i'll decide when i get it)
red dots are too gucci for my beaver barf furniture and i'd rather use iron sights, but the gun is accurate enough to be shooting out at 500 yards as opposed to an ak
>>63861052
thats honestly probably more annoying than if it were shifted to the left
i wonder if you can just mount a scope straight up from the side rail like those diagonal scopes they used in ww1

>>63861058
yeah.

>>63861071
sorry if i sound retarded for my questions or something

>>63861028
I'm not racist but I hate niggers. You don't have to be black to be a nigger either, plenty of white niggers out there. Being black doesn't automatically make you a nigger. Doing nigger activities makes you one.
To the jannies that inevitably get bent out of shape for this post, it's not racist. It's not hating somebody for an immutable trait...unless you yourself are racist and imply that behavior is directly correlated with race.
Also weapons

>>63861085
you're fine lil nigga. we all kinda retarded

>>63861028
yea u know me

>>63861108
so would this be a bad choice for my vz? its pretty damn cheap and has the right look, and i can probably diy a small shell deflector under it that doesnt look like ass (as opposed to CSA's massive shell deflectors)

>>63861148
nvm i'm stupid thats the one that was already mentioned

>>63861148
>>63861173
That should work. Looks like its just an unmarked Belomo mount.

>>63861148
>>63861174
>>63861058
Be aware that mount sits fuckin HIIIIIIGH.

>>63861200
theres a low rise version, but honestly i dont know where to find either

>>63861203
That pic was the low rise version too, kek

>>63861209
damn
maybe what i'll do is stick with the short CSA rail for picatinny mounted scopes and maybe get a PO scope or something for the larp

>>63861225
the vz58 aftermarket keeps getting better every year. Its a good thing because its a good rifle people sleep on.

>>63861229
i also happen to be working on something i hope to introduce to the market that a lot of people will be wanting, though it'll only work with the vz2008 without permanent modification

>>63861229
It's a good rifle but unless you're a fucking gun hipster there's no reason to get one over an AK

>>63861414
Anon, cmon. If you are an AK guy you're already a gun hipster. Lets not lie to ourselves.

>>63861414
mine fills that bakelite/plum furniture urge without breaking the bank, my beaver barf set straight up just has this same purple color tone and i love it
then theres the weight, which after handling my vz58 is immediately noticeable any time i pick up an ak
and the accuracy, they shoot like 2 moa, making 7.62x39 perform a lot better than the ak can
finally theres the fire rate, which when a FRT gets made for it (if ever) it'll be a fucking beast of a gun

>>63861418
Well that's just not true. I just collect rare mags, obscure books, and unusual variants.
>You've probably never heard of them.
Besides, I prefer the term wizard.

>>63860908
IDK if anything's perfect. And needing a brass deflector makes it 100x difficult.

>>63860908
here's after switching to a tip-2 romanian scope.

>>63863005
>>63863008
>>63863015
that looks fucking sick, scope is like half the size of the gun

>>63862958
Leaf sight for subsonics?

>>63863075
Not sure if it's specifically for subs, but it was meant to be used with the PBS-1.
So yeah?

>>63863288
I went from aroused to disgusted to aroused again.

>>63863075
>>63863169
I can't find the article but yes, that rear sight is meant to be used with subsonics which is why it's commonly referred to as the PBS-1 rear sight.

Anyone know of where to find a plum gas tube handguard for a Tantal?

>>63860230
I ran into the same thing with my 90s Russian POSP/PSO and my WASR. Luckily it does fit and function but looks a tad silly and I'm sure there's a better fitting mount as it sits a bit far back IMO. No one has shit in stock so you're basically SOL.

>>63860496
Yeah swapping mount clamps is your best bet, especially if you can find something not questionable and Chinese to source the mount from.

>>63864042
Tantals use different upper handguards than AKMs. You can get an adapter. I believe the Beryl adapter also works.
Regarding where to find a plum upper hg, they're really easy to find. Apex, Mokas, RTG, etc.

>>63864133
>Tantals use different upper handguards than AKMs
I think he knows that.
He's looking for one of these, not a standard plum upper hg.

>>63864239
>I think he knows that.
This.
>>63864133
The adapters are out of stock everywhere. Otherwise I would just throw a plum US made crap on for the time being.

>>63864042
The same places you can find any AK related shit. There’s always Poles selling that kind of stuff.

Do I buy a Beryl today?

>>63865475
might as well, the alternative is 2 months ammo supply for the same price

Man I can't wait for the boomers to die off

>>63865475
I was just looking at those. Where are you going to buy it from?

>>63865511
well its that or an M85 but my copium is that M85s will be available for the foreseeable future and once short passes might get sold with an actual stock
>>63865530
arms of america

>>63865549
>arms of america
That's where I was looking at them too.

>>63864305
Id keep my eye on RTG or AoA then. They get Polish stuff pretty regularly.
>>63864239
Fair, we've just had a lot of newfags lately.

>>63865517
Why? Because they're charging retards that don't know there's no such thing as an AIMS-74 specific grip, way too much?
>inb4 the dumb argument again about how because some boomer labeled an orange Romy grip AIMS-74 it must be correct and/or true.
https://www.theakforum.net/threads/romanian-orange-bakelite-grip.338112/

>>63866511
they're entitled faggots who think their shit is worth more than it is
the buyer isnt the only retard who sees this, you wind up with a thousand other boomer retards who think "oh well this stockpile of old grips i have looks sorta like it, guess its worth a small fortune now" and all of a sudden the whole market looks like that

>>63866518
Welcome to capitalism and the current state of the AK industry. It's a sellers market and unfortunately for the rest of us, retards just buy shit willy nilly pushing prices higher.
Zoomers are just as bad, if not worse at the same offense.
>The "Museum Grade" bakelite fiasco from the former Nugget Ent. comes to mind

if you were gonna get a 556 AK today what would you get?
Torn between beryl, M85, and that jmac customized wbp minijack

>>63866558
>if you were gonna get a 556 AK
I wouldn't.
But, gun to my head; Beryl.
M85 needs too much to get it back to proper form and Jmac is a faggot who rapes guns and call them "custom". As bad as Marc Krebs.
>Wish he'd do another run of AIMR stocks though
The "real" AIMR stock, not the bolt on one.

>>63865517
>This is Precious Roy. I'm stuck at a gas station.
Precious, what about the AIMS-74 grips?
>I LOVE ALGEBRA! SUCKERS!

eternally laughing at KUSA if the short act passes

laughing at them anyways, but laughing a little harder I guess

>>63867091
>laughing at something that doesn't exist over something that won't pass

>>63867091
I don't get it. Why is the short act relevant to KUSA?

Man I have so many projects that would be helped out with it though. Multiple thousands of dollars just get things in their correct config.

>>63866558
>beryl
Just buy one of these since they're getting discontinued unless you want a pistol
>M85
Kinda good but be sure to get one that's already had the pic rails and muzzle booster installed at the factory. I bought the unconverted one, and now I have to do it myself which is kind of a pain in the ass.
>jmac customized wbp minijack
Ew no. Get the 13" rock and lock Galil ACE from Dissident Arms if you want something tacticool.

>>63866558
Beryl for sure

>>63868974
Based pic

>>63868974
>Guys will see this and say "hell yeah"

>>63869260
Real

>>63851867

Nice.

Bonesteel LH folder or OG Beryl RH side folder for my Beryl? Part of me knows the OG would be cooler, but I am afraid I would have to replace the safety because of the shelf they added to them. Plus would add more cost onto the already more pricey option. Pic related is what I am talking about in terms of clearance.

>>63868974
hell yeah

I looked up "smersh" on temu.

New thread

>>63870520
>>63870520
>>63870520