Thread 63831048

Why is using a gun seen as cowardly to end an altercation? Is bringing overwhelming force to ensure your safety really a pussy move?

>>63831048 (OP)
Violence isn’t fair and it’s not a game.

>>63831048 (OP)
Nothing done to ensure your safety or the safety of people around you is a pussy move.

>>63831048 (OP)
Maybe once upon a time you could trust your fellow man to not press his advantage and stomp your head in if you lose.
But when theres a great chance you will end up permanently damaged or killed by subhumans that cant fight fair, theres no point in fighting at all.
Fighting fair to settle disputes isnt an option anymore.

Battleiq>Retard strength

>>63831048 (OP)
Because it evens the playing field and for people who have invested a lot of time and effort in getting big or getting good at hand to hand shit, its kinda existentially upsetting for that to all be reduced to nothing in the face of a 300 dollar trade-in glock.

>>63831048 (OP)
>Why is using a gun seen as cowardly to end an altercation? Is bringing overwhelming force to ensure your safety really a pussy move?
because some people waste tons of time in the gym and training skills that can be easily negated by weaponry and they want their hobby to be more useful than it actually is. the only thing it is good for is getting sluts to bang you.

Fight like a spider.

>>63831048 (OP)
>>63831056
>>63831070
>>63831071
You burgers don't know how good you have it. I live in a country (NZ) where self defense has to be "proportional" which is completely up to interpretation. A teenager stabbed a crackhead attacking him and his friend last year and he ended up going to jail even though it was ruled self defense because he used a knife. If you shoot some one they need to be armed with a gun too basically is how the law thinks

Because you cant fight and pussies cant fight

>>63831048 (OP)
In a fight, no matterr who the opponent, fight to win. If you need to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win, then you are not a coward, or dishonorable, or a pussy. You are the winner. This is how the person you are fighting will fight if they want to win, so it's fair to do the same.

>>63831114
Agreed. The only unfair fight is the one you let yourself lose.

>>63831099
lmao that's retarded. you're all gonna get butchered by the Māori when they rise up

>>63831048 (OP)
idc, I'd rather be a live pussy than a dead or crippled badass. Nature isn't fair, some animals are more dangerous than others physically, others have insidious weapons. A wasp can kill a heavyweight MMA man who is allergic to it, a bullet can kill a tiger.

>>63831048 (OP)
In so many words this: >>63831056
anon has it right. People who think they can beat you unarmed consider it unfair that you can beat them armed but don't realize it's probably unfair to you to be unarmed. They don't realize that there is no fair in conflict no matter what. One man is born bigger and stronger than another, that is unfair, the smaller man brings a gun, that is unfair. One man is born smart and weak and poisons his foe who is born unintelligent and strong. Death equalizes all and avoiding it is your most basic purpose.

>>63831237
>when they rise up
Not gonna happen.
Don't let the silly little dance fool you, their own communities are a disaster.
They are like all "natives" everywhere, ultimately defeated by their own incompetence (alcoholism/addiction).

>>63831048 (OP)
Because some retards want to cave your skull in or give you a gas station vivisection. Personally I'm fond of my head shape and the lack of holes I have so I'll politely stick to kicking nuts and shooting people. Honor is nothing but another method by which the strong restrict the weak, because if a weak man levels the playing field it's not clever but cowardly and he ought to be ashamed

>>63831048 (OP)
Who comes across as smarter: the guy who can do complex math in his head or the person using a calculator?

Who comes across as the more badass athlete? The guy who can run and jump and throw with his body? Or the guy who does that with a PSX controller?

Who comes across as the more badass hero? Hercules, who fought a lion hand-to-hand and won, or some guy who shot one from 200m with a scoped rifle?

Technology is quite literally a crutch.

>>63831365
honor is something you engage in with honorable people. With those who would attack you, especially in public, dont deserve honorable behavior

>>63831431
and? If I shoot tyrone the NFL Linebacker I win and he will be dead. Then I will most assuredly be the stronger and smarter of the two as he will have no strength nor intelligence

>>63831447
>If I shoot tyrone the NFL Linebacker I win and he will be dead.
Deys gon' prosuhcute yo racis' whyte ass and put you in jail fo' hatin' po' black folks.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE.

>>63831447
>Then I will most assuredly be
Notice I said "comes across", not "is". It's all about perception. OP asked why guns are seen as cowardly, and that's why.

>>63831237
>>63831308
Most maori in NZ outside of bumfuck towns/regions which are basically reserves have very little or nothing to do with being maori. We also have a MASSIVE continent of LARPers who have only recently started identifying as maori despite being 80-100% white. In the last decade or so the maori population has skyrocketed despite them being below replacement rates because of people realizing great granddad fucked a maori and there's no blood quantum so they're just as native as someone who speaks maori in a 100% maori town

>>63831237
This isn't /trash/, anon. Enough with the turdie cuck fantasies.

>Who comes across as the more badass hero?
Hector dies the stupid death he deserved,
Paris acks Achilles using bow and arrow like a true hero, OdyseeVs lives on because he is the smartest and relies on his brain first and foremost

>>63831521
>We also have a MASSIVE continent of LARPers who have only recently started identifying as maori despite being 80-100% white.
In the U.S. we have the same thing, but it's almost always white women pining for attention and trying to find ways to make every conversation about them.
>my grandmother was a cherokee indian
And it's just Tiffany the liberal blonde white girl from California.

>>63831499
Guns are the great equalizer though, the NFL linebacker could have a gun too if he wanted. People always whining and bitching about muh equality then a tool comes along that puts everybody on an equal footing but they call it unfair.

>>63831048 (OP)
I give zero fucks what people think is cowardly. My goal every day is to get home to my wife my cats and my dog. If you are actively preventing that with violence im gonna shoot. Fuck throwing hands im not even some sub 6ft manlet who cant fight. But u dont know what some random is capable. Only takes one well placed punch to kill you. If I have exhausted all options in regards to de escalation then let the arch angel take him.

>>63831554
Maoris looked good compared to abos so there actually is a lot of people with slight amounts of maori in them because of that. For some reason they bleached super easy so you get guys like this (representative of one of the largest tribes) running around saying they're maori

>>63831099
It's like this in Canada, but marginally less retarded. The Feds throw the book at everyone dares to defend themselves, but because they're so terrified of accidentally setting a precedent in favour of self-defence they end up dragging the prosecution process out as long as possible until they eventually drop the charges at the last moment.

If you're starting the altercation and then pull out the gun when it doesn't go your way you're a huge pussy and deserve to have your head caved in. Other way around it's self defense.

>>63831048 (OP)
Meatheads and tough guys are just mad they can’t beat you up and that their lives can be ended by a piece of lead the size of a thumbnail.

>>63831562
Nah, thats drones

>>63831596
The problem with our laws and i assume you have the same issue is that they are so vague that if you defend yourself you could either end up in jail for years or with no consequences; total crapshoot. Some drug dealer shot 3 people and killed one during a home invasion with his illegal AR-15 and was acquitted but then you get kids going to jail for years for using a knife to defend themselves

>>63831048 (OP)
>Why is using a gun seen as cowardly to end an altercation?
Cause Gun Grabbers are retarded and don't know how deadly fists can be in a fight. For fuck sake Teddy Roosevelt went parity blind after one boxing match and he was no small dude.
Funny the people who say "Only men use their fists" have never been in an actual fist fight.

>>63831048 (OP)
only if you're the aggressor. If you're an adult threatening people, you probably deserve what's coming.

>>63831048 (OP)
>not constantly having a flock of jacked bodyguards who owe you a life debt
skill issue

>>63831632
If thats the UK our self defence laws are fucking retarded, but if they decide the deadly force was justified, the means dont matter. Youll still get weapons charges but using an illegal gun in self defence wont turn it into a murder charge by itself.

>>63831683
Fuck, meant for
>>63831623

>>63831431
Strawmaning is quite literally a crutch.

>>63831644
I think everyone should lose a fight at least once in their life. I mean really get the crap beaten out of them, just so they learn a little humility. It makes people learn what can happen when they raise their voice.

>>63831499
I noticed you said
>Technology is quite literally a crutch.

>>63831695
Unironcally the anti-bullying campaigns and lack of violence children experience today is part of why kids today are borderline sociopaths

>>63831048 (OP)
>Be bully
>Never grow up
>Put on tons of muscle to better bully people and because you are insecure
>Take martial arts classes to better pick on the weak and increase the size of your victim pool
>It's all invalidated by some lanky manlet with a Jennings
It's literally just seething over their inability to victimize the weak, something that is a core part of their personality and perception of masculinity. You'll notice those types almost never pick an actual fair fight, they'll back down in those situations. The mere thought of not being able to victimize people causes nuclear levels of seething on their part.

>>63831078
based

>>63831099
there are retards here in NJ who think that's the law

>>63831740
>lack of violence
No, it's still there, they just get punished for retaliating against their aggressor.

>>63831431
shalom
>>63831048 (OP)
because guys who think they are big and tough don't want an equal fight with a dude who has a gun

>>63831048 (OP)
there's a wide variety of themes, often they overlap
-expired high-trust society concepts
-desire to enforce social norms
-insecure men trying to flex
-pampered leftists who don't understand violence
-super rare version: elderly blacks trying to guide young blacks away from shooting each other

Angry retards who rack up felonies and become restricted from owning guns sure love to get butthurt over random people owning guns for self defense.

>>63831048 (OP)
>Why is using a gun seen as cowardly to end an altercation? Is bringing overwhelming force to ensure your safety really a pussy move?
why sould an old granny be forced to use her bare hards to deend hersef agains conor mcgregor when he's coked up?
why shoul't a middle aged man use a gun to defend himself against men in their 20s inside his home?

you're the voice of the thug, the vully the creep who wants special rules so he can find someone weaker than him to fight, you don't like it when the other person has an equal chance.

It's always people like OP and the Nazis and communists and PIRA and UDA and US GWOT roid larp cops that are the keenest on ordinary people not having guns to defend themselves. The people who think governments invented hospitals and roads

>>63831099
>proportional
its almost worse than that, like you have to wait for someone to stab you before you can punch them.

>>63831870
>expired high-trust society concepts
Historically fighting of any kind was considered a sign of moral, intellectual, and social inferiority.
>but muh duels!
Dueling was considered a last resort for grave breaches of personal honor and had a great deal of regulations and rules regarding how they could be demanded and carried out.

>>63831695
>I think everyone should lose a fight at least once in their life. I mean really get the crap beaten out of them, just so they learn a little humility. It makes people learn what can happen when they raise their voice.
this is the kind of gay normal fag thinking that would never pass to a dictator.
i hope you get raped by a pack of niggers humility fag

>>63831950
>Historically fighting of any kind was considered a sign of moral, intellectual, and social inferiority.
Not to the extent you're thinking. This is one of those cliche-debunkings which has metastasized into an overcorrection. It's a prejudice based on the late musket era west.

>Defending the weak mentality
>bullying is okay
>---
Gay and retarded.
Might makes right.
When you want to victimize someone you do it in a way they cant retaliate.
They have a gun?
Run them over with a car.
Someone bullying you?
Poison them.
want to fuck a woman but she could have a gun in her pocket?
Sneak up on her and choke making sure to have balistic vest.

>>63831740
Bullying is more prevalent than it's ever been. The only thing that changed is how it's done.

>>63831848
I do not like living in this state even if the whores/beaches can be pretty. Praying Paterson/Elizabeth/Newark gets nuked this election cycle.

>>63831048 (OP)
Only retards and professionals get into fair fights, and professionals have a referee.

>>63831994
That's the joke.

White lads in an all-white school could often punch each other into the dirt and shake hands later.
Mix in a hearty dose of browns and the mere concept of doing so becomes foolish, stupid, and almost unbelievable. But it happened.

>>63831078
I hope whatever the fight was about was worth dying for

>>63832015
>White lads in an all-white school could often punch each other into the dirt and shake hands later.
Not true in the U.S., just the opposite.
White people don't teach their kids to fight anymore. They put their kids in goofy, ineffective self-esteem pay-to-promote martial arts bullshit like BJJ, Karate, TKD, Aikido, etc.
MAYBE they get onto a wrestling team as long as mommy doesn't see her little boy get slammed too hard, but any sign of blood and it's back to soccer team.
Mexicans and blacks love boxing though and throw their kids into classes pretty young, which is why most of them usually win the majority of fights over their white peers in school and afterwards, unfortunately.
White people softened up over the decades.

>>63831048 (OP)
if you get killed - pussy
if you kill the other guy - based, hero

>>63832165
Nice bait

>>63831499
>It's all about perception
if you think like a woman then yeah

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>63832135
People who get into fights, especially with homeless people, and then fucking lose, have nothing to live for

>>63832015
>Hm, today I will make shit up that I know nothing about referencing a time I didn't live in, didn't study, or don't actually even understand the basics of

>>63833054
Read some memoirs or books from the period, nigger.
The brown invasion's effect on neighborhood punchups isn't new either. This entire conversation has been had before in the 1970s about blacks moving into formerly white cities.

Yes it is because you’re trying to override natural force disparity. If a fight is about proving who’s better than who, then using a gun is cheating.

That said, it’s only the guy without the gun arguing from this weak position that a gun is cheating,

But having a gun is game theory optimal. So you retain your life and win a fight/prevent it entirely but everyone (including the girls) might think you’re a pussy for producing a gun. That just might be the cost of playing it safe and adhering to engine recommendations.

There is an unspoken rule that you are not to muck with biological determinism and fraud your genes/phenotype/natural abilities to dominate other men both in combat and sexual competition.. It’s why when you get jaw implants or leg lengthening or whatever, it’s supposed to look natural and you aren’t supposed to tell the girls, as it defeats the purpose. They’re supposed to believe your superiority derives from instructions contained in your sperm.

There’s probably a handicap principle thing going on here too.

TLDR carry a gun because ultimately the cost of not doing so to maintain a favorable appearance could be your life.

>>63831056
Technically there are few things that fit the definition of “game” better than violence. Zero-sum, adversarial, can only be analyzed through the lens of game theory.

>>63831431
>technology is just a crutch!
But i DO have the crutch, yes? So get shot while coping about how you could totally heem me if we were locked in a cage with only bare hands

>>63831431
So there are 2 different things here offering their analysis of a fight in which one party produces/uses a weapon. The grug brain adapted to the Serengeti, issuing an appraisal of the fight as unfair, because it’s no longer a physical contest of who’s stronger than who. And everybody probably registers a fight between 2 men as “Grugs fight over resources or mating rights, the winner will get to mate”, lizard brain things like that. So a gun is cheating because you do not HONESTLY prove the superiority of yourself and your sperm. And then there is the proverbial game theory engine that adapts in real time to all technological developements and lends its approval to the use of firearms if “preserving one’s life” is the win condition.

Someone can explain it better than me but you get the idea.

don't start fights if you're armed. its really stupid.

>>63833198
NTA

If your imperative is to preserve your own life, the crutch is always better to have, but understand that one side effect of crutch use is that the girls will go “ick, ew, he didn’t even beat the other guy to death with his fists, no eggs for him”

Technology has just made it so killing can be done with trivial energy expenditure, and there is much less chance involved. We just kinda have to adapt to this paradigm, somehow. There is no more honorable, honest, restrained fighting. Every fight video I see now is either 5 on 1, or starts off 1 on 1 and then one guys buddies join in and curb stomp the lone fighter. Shit’s life and death now, bring a gun

>>63833209
Also true.

>>63833088
>>63833223
Nobody believes this shit. Women are not going to have "the ick" because you used a gun for self-defense instead of beating another man to death. The notion of a historical existence honorable, honest, restrained fighting is bullshit. You're just spouting some made up, romanticized bullshit. Actual fights have always about gaining any advantage to win, be it weapons, martial arts, weight lifting, or a couple of your buddies. And while we're at it, the kinds of injuries one is likely to sustain while bare knuckle fighting were realistically capable of crippling you for life over the vast majority of history.

>>63831056
what do you call MAD

>>63834335
Then explain why everybody regards the use of weapons to gain an advantage as a coward move, instead of exalting the weapon-wielder for his superior intelligence. It’s not just his opponent who is making mouth noises because he wants the advantage eliminated, it’s basically anyone’s appraisal of lopsided weapon use. Shit, even on the world stage guys get shit for “using tanks and planes against goat-herders in flip flops”. There is a reason everybody frowns upon invoking use of something that gives you overwhelming force disparity, and I conjecture the reason for this is probably genetic/primal.

I could in fact be romanticizing gentlemanly combat, but I know that it did exist at some point. Guys dueling and shooting over eachother’s heads - a way to keep each man’s pride intact without anyone needing to die. And I seldom see 1v1 fights go to the death, where one guy gets knocked down and the other refrains from curb stomping him (provided neither are black).

Girls would infact prefer that if you must commit murder, you do it with your fists in a primal way, as opposed to using a gun. It’s this kind of violence that is heat-inducing.

>>63831964
Sounds like someone needs a beating.

>>63834621
>Then explain why everybody regards the use of weapons to gain an advantage as a coward move
It's more the fact that people hate violence generally. Nobody minds in an 80 year old grandpa shoots a mugger. But people don't like it when someone leverages their weapon advantage to act like an asshole and then draw a weapon instead of being subject to what people would perceive as righteous consequences. FAFO is a universal concept and subvert the FO bit makes people the big mad.

>>63834990
Good point. But Then it’s entirely to do with which side you sympathize with. The good kind vs bad kind of violence

>>63831237
>butchered by the Māori when they rise up
as if they'd bite the hand that feeds them. wasn't that maori chick in NZ parliament doing her retarded screaming protesting that maoris wouldn't get preferential treatment for gibs?

>>63831554
Knew a kid with a polish last name, white parents, white grandparents, who was all
>IM A NATIVE AMERICAN MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS A HUNNED PERCENT A BLACKFOOT CHEROKEE
Like sit your bitchass down Timothy Syznalski (not real name jannies untwist your underwear)

He later went on to become a great hero for the people and for justice of human rights by....OD'ing on heroin like 4 or 5 of his other age group friends.
Nothing of value was lost.

>>63831048 (OP)
Who cares? You'll be alive and the other can go be manly in the morgue.

>>63835140
Yes they wanted to lower the pension age for maori because they die earlier on average due to being fat/substance use etc and even our left wing party had to put the kibosh on that because it's a massive can of worms

It makes lanklets and people who practice MMA/boxing because they dream of beating people up seethe that a 5'4 dyel nerd can just blow their brains out

>>63835179
That’s not a real polish last name. You need Atleast 4 consecutive consonants, some more z’s and some č’s

>>63835179
classic slav fate.

>>63831048 (OP)
>Why is using a gun seen as cowardly to end an altercation

Physical Cowardice is readily parlayed into Moral/Intellectual Cowardice. The Faggot believes he can - and will due to 'karma' - get in a lucky punch, David & Goliath style. Accepting duels with inferiors is idiocy-- and offering duels to one's superiors in any dimension invites immediate destruction.

>>63831481
unfortunately too likely
>>63831499
true but perception =/= reality.
Just because some dumb whore thinks I am mean for retaliating doesnt make me mean or wrong