Yeah they're pretty cool guys who doesn't afraid of anything

Damn, these things are huge.

>>63842885 (OP)
B2 can carry 2 MOPs while the B21 can carry only 1 MOP

why not just use normal JDAM's/laser guided bombs over and over on the exact same impact point?

if you have total air superiority you can do this no?

just dig a bomb tunnel

>>63842909
Why did miners not simply stick dynamite to walls instead of drilling holes and putting it inside?

>>63842909
it's an option

>>63842921
even a regular jdam with a delay fuse should dig a little hole for itself, exactly like a hole for dynamite

>>63842908
But they're less than half the price so you can just have double the Raiders!

>>63842909
Because it would be shit. Loose ground cushions shock much better than compacted soil does. Each strike would be progressively less and less effective.

GBU-28, my beloved

>>63842909
Why run several bombing runs on the same target instead of just using 1 bomb? A MOP II can penetrate 60m of rock.

>>63845172
Iran probably built their nuke developing bunkers with that in mind. So you'll need multiple MOPs anyway

>>63845186
Maybe? I mean at that point you'd need either multiple MOPs or a nuclear bunkerbuster.

>>63845197
I wonder, what would happen if you put a nuke on a MOP? I guess it'd make a bigger boom but the question is if it'd make any real effective difference in the results.

>>63845197
>nuclear bunkerbuster.
No need, new gbu-72s will get the job done

>>63842885 (OP)
I asked this in a previous thread, but why do the penetration figures change so yugely with a different type of concrete?

For some bunker busters the difference in penetration depth between 5k psi concrete and 10k psi concrete is a factor of ten. I don't actually know anything about grades of concrete, why is there such a huge difference?

>>63845186
>So you'll need multiple MOPs anyway
As opposed to ten times the number of regular JDAMs like anon suggested.
The math is pretty simple.

>>63847320
It's the density of the concrete. I'm sure there's a clear standard somewhere, but to simplify it, it's basically a piece of 5k psi rated concrete could withstand 5k pounds per square inch of pressure before it fails(breaks apart). So higher psi ratings means stronger concrete. Stronger concrete means less penetration. Less penetration means the bomb doesn't explode at the desired depth and the underground structure you were trying to asplode remains relatively unharmed.

>I dig my bunker 300 ft below ground

what now?

>>63847383
Congrats, anon, you found ground water.

>>63847383
The Laser will penetrate you

With Trump leaving the G7 to come back to the White House, military intervention seems probable now, no?

If you're Iran why wait for bunker buster bombs?

Just nook if you have it, if you don't then you're KWAB

>>63849098
what makes you think Iran is waiting?
you think China is now calling its citizens to leave Israel for no reason?
you think US now wants to burn down Tehran for no reason?

Are rebars included in the strength evaluation of concrete?
If the density of rebars increases, the concrete part will become mesh-like.

THE TUNNELS WILL PROTECT US

Shame that nuclear bunker buster never got anywhere

>>63849242
>t. picrel

>>63842885 (OP)
US couldn't even beat yemen. they're about to get btfo in iran lmao

>>63842885 (OP)
If there's something strange in the Middle East,
Who ya gonna call? (Bunker Busters!)
If there's something weird and it don't look right,
Who ya gonna call? (feels good to bust!)

Hear me out

>>63847347
But why does a 100% increase in pressure rating lead to a 1000% increase in penetration resistance?

has bunker busting tech ever advanced beyond "this shit is so heavy what's gonna stop it'?

>>63850347
Newton's third law or something like that, I'm not a doctor
>>63850361
Materials science has advanced a lot, even eglin air force base has a specific type of metal alloy named after it now

>>63842885 (OP)
>>63845219
How does the bunker buster reach such high speeds of Mach 2, surely that can’t be its terminal velocity?

>>63850347
Because the blast wave is spherical, you're not increasing the pressure linearly - it follows the cube root law. Increase the explosion by X, the pressure at 1m is the cube root of the pressure at 0m owing to spherical expansion.
Or something like that - I'm sure an anon who knows more about it can correct my (butchered) explanation.

>>63847320
10k psi concrete has a denser microstructure, better bonding, less flaws in its structure etc. which make it much more effective at dissipating impact energy and resisting cracking.

US Army Corps of Engineers conducted a lot of testing for concrete vs penetrators in the Cold War era and esrly 2000s. ACE developed maths formulas that describe penetration depth using an inverse power-law relationship with concrete strength. What this basically means is that even small increases in concrete strength can lead to much reduced penetration.

The relationship between concrete hardness and penetration resistance is non-linear and on a sliding scale. Harder concrete increases its penetration 2-10x depending on how well it is set, manufactured, cured etc. But generally more psi = some exponent X to penetration resistance.

This can be overcome by more efficient penetrator shapes, denser materials (tungsten, cobalt alloys, DU etc.), or simply higher impact energy (drop it from higher, give it a booster, make it weigh more etc).

>>63850545
Maybe they were referring to the planes that can carry them. They're not terribly heavy so something like an f15 could carry quite a few and still get above mach 2. They also had an icbm version of that same warhead with the penetrator tip(giggity).

>>63850545
super sonic dive bombers

>>63847347
There's something about compression waves which is primarily a strength but also a vulnerability for example in ceramic armor, and I would speculate perhaps the same MIGHT be true with high pressure bunker cement. (I don't know.) In the case of ceramic armor, while the pressure from an incident projectile keeps coming, the compression of the armor redirects that energy laterally in a wave of shattering ceramic while becoming immensely hard at the point of impact and actually blocking the projectile - that is, until that lateral pressure wave reaches the edge of the ceramic armor tile, at which point the structure of the now shattered ceramic tile essentially softens and the projectile, if it still has any energy, continues through the tile although perhaps flatter & slower. However if the pressure from the projectile is somehow pulsed or interrupted, such as from a compound or explosive tip, that lateral compression wave in the ceramic quickly forms a deep wave "trough" of sorts through which the projectile can then penetrate more easily. I'm just saying material hardness and cubic laws are not necessarily the final word in this matter, there may be some pretty fancy physics going on making things possible which would at face value seem otherwise. Just kidding. It's all science fiction. None of this is true. Or is it?

>>63842885 (OP)
Earthquake bombs > Bunker busters

>>63845112
>this metal casing full of explosives will dig a hole for itself through solid bedrock and not shatter or simply deform
If JDAMs did that they wouldn't bother with bunker busters.

>>63847383
>Violating the 1845 Moleman Accord
You're on your own.

>>63855443
Naw man the Molemen agreed to ammend the accords in the 70s. They get the unused and old subway/utility tunnels under major Metropolitan areas, we get to build bunkers and mines to any depth. They also agreed not to eat any miners they find for at least a week. Pretty good deal for us really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33IfCt-fAOk

>>63842885 (OP)
Business idea: Lofted trajectory long-range ballistic missiles used at short range. The lofted trajectory allows the missile to gain increased velocity and hence kinetic energry to acheive the required ground penetration to reach the bunker.

The higher the missile goes, the longer it it is accumulates gravitational force, (translated into velocity), 9.8m/s/s, as it falls back to Earth. Put the bunker buster on a sub-orbital flight and crash in back down into the Earth with the force of heaven.

>>63854284
Pretty sure the MOP causes an earthquake too.

>>63850571
This means even a meter of high strength steel (200k psi) would severely affect penetration. I think even a short range AD could severely affect it, not by destroying it but by making it strike at an angle or deforming the case.

>>63856310
Earthquake bombs were designed to penetrate and explode in the earth next to, and underneath, the bunker, causing camouflets (big empty air cavern), which would collapse the bunker/structure into the newly formed hole. Think more sinkhole bomb. Different from a bunker buster that is designed to penertate the concrete.

>>63842885 (OP)
The most hilarious bunker buster was the 4500 lbs. CP/RA bomb which came about after someone saw a Disney cartoon where a rocket-assisted bomb blew up a U-Boat pen and went, "would that work though?"

>>63856379
And the answer was, "yeah, sorta"

>>63856389

>>63856359
Steel is a totally different animal altogether, I doubt these sorts of bunker busters would even match the close range effectiveness of larger naval guns.

>>63854294
You´re actually regurgitating Jewish propaganda used to get the U.S involved. They already admitted they have to use several of the oh so special GBU-57. Well I guess it´s not so special, since they have to use several of them. Whether you use 4 GBU-57 or 20 GBU-28, who cares. Normally their intended use is to hit people, where it actually matters that you do the destruction in the first hit, because the people will just move after the first hit, not in this case. It will get easier with each hit since the next bomb just have to travel through rubble the bomb before it made, until you just have 300 feet of rubble and the last one travels all the way.
"Oh but goy, it can only be done with this special bomb you have and only with this special plane you have, you´re so special goy, you´re the most special goy in the entire world, you have to fight our fight"
And there you are, some stupid American goy greentexting to fight another war for Israel. Ptooey! Spit in your fucking face, you dumb American.

>>63856369
Why has this kind of bomn fallen out of favour? Too big to carry by tactical aircraft? Seems like creating a camouflet would work no matter what (depending on soil)

>>63850570
>>63850347
Lots of things in physics aren't linear, but Anon probably hit the nail on the head talking about the blast wave being spherical, and pressure decreasing with the radius from the blast origin as r^3 power because with the total energy contained and then dissipated constant, the pressure (applied over an area and then along a distance integrating into a total energy) has to decrease with r^3 so that the total energy contained in the sphere is constant.

Same thing applies to jamming electromagnetic signals.

Similarly to directional antennas used in jamming tech to get around the cube power/root non-linear behavior, dedicated shaped penetrators or similar ways to direct the acoustic/pressure energy might help to "beat" the cube root/power behavior and bring it back to a linear relationship.

>>63857080
my guess is that collateral damage has become a bigger issue with social media, so taking out targets in a bunker precisely caused the sinkhole tech to become obsolete.

memories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn83i2RQI48

>>63849242
Same with the "Reliable Replacement Warhead" program.

>>63856379
>>63856389
I mean you either increase the mass of the weapon or the speed, and speed will get you more force per unit increase. In fact the "Next Generation Penetrator munition" likely will use a rocket like the Disney bomb.

>>63860705
Bunker busters do not explode on the point contact, they act first as kinetic penetrators until the fuze's programming detonates the payload.

The Disney bomb did not have good acceleration considering the loss of bomb weight and payload.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-caPvqIf8

>>63847320

>>63861053
>>63857080
I think its more around missile shape and versitility: earthquake bombs are fat and huge to pack a big boom (pic), bunker busters need to be svelte and narrow to penetrate the concrete. Once the early bunker busters were successful the earthquake bomb model simply got phased out and forgotten. I don't see any reason why it couldn't be revived if concrete has now developed to be practically impenetrable to missiles. Make sense from a tactics point of view: avoid the strongpoints, if the concrete can't be breached, then breach the weakpoints, which is the earth the concrete sits within. The earthquake bomb turns the surrounding earth into an empty cavern, which your perfect concrete bubble collapses into.

>>63861137
The explosive force still radiates spherically through the medium it is in - be that air, water, or 6ft into concrete.
If the explosion force at the centre is a known value (I'm gonna use 9, for easy maths), then as you move away from that explosion the force dissipates in a cube root manner.
i.e., the pressure value at the centre of the explosion is 9, then at 1m the value is 3, at 2m from the centre the pressure value is now 1.4422, and at 3m the value is 1.1298 - at each increase of distance by a set value, the pressure measured there is the cube root of the pressure before.
So if your concrete needs a pressure value of 6 to be broken, then with your bomb that has a pressure value of 9, you'll only be able to break 1.3m of concrete before the explosion pressure value is too low to break the concrete anymore.
That's why bunker busters need to be massive to break through concrete.

>>63861687
Edit - the bomb in the maths above would only break up 0.5m of concrete, not 1.3m.

>>63861687
>That's why bunker busters need to be massive to break through concrete.
Exactly, which is why they are in essence large kinetic penetrators that have an explosive payload.

>>63861089
Okay so B-61-11 EWP penetrates only a few meters into the ground, but inspired by discussions of dropping multiple MOPs to dig a hole, why not follow up with EWP after a MOP or two for MAXIMUM PENETRATION?

>>63857080
Their niche was taken over by nuclear weapons.

not that much penetration compared to the GBU-57, but 500km standoff range in return

btw, doesn't the South Korean Hyunmoo-5 have even more penetration than the GBU-57?

>On 1 October 2024, the ROK Armed Forces unveiled the Transporter Erector Launcher for the Hyunmoo-5 surface-to-surface ballistic missile with a range of 3,000 kilometers at the 76th anniversary Armed Forces Day ceremony.
>According to data released through the South Korean National Defense Committee, the missile weighs 36 tons and has a warhead payload of 8 tons, which is the same weight as the LGM-30 Minuteman III, a 36-ton Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) developed in the United States, and was developed as a bunker-buster missile for striking underground shafts in the North Korean military.[33]
>A non-nuclear ballistic missile equipped with an 8 ton warhead is unprecedented; other modern conventional warheads generally are less than one ton. It probably includes a heavy dense metal penetrator or tandem charges for deeply buried bunker penetration. Until the 2021 abolition of the South Korea Ballistic Missile Range Guidelines, such a missile would not have been permitted.[31]
>It is thought to be powered by a two-stage solid-fuel engine, with an estimated length of about 16 m and a diameter of 1.6 m.[32] It uses a nine-axle K901 Transporter Erector Launcher vehicle produced in Kia Motors.[33] The warhead can destroy structures deeper than 100 meters below the surface, missile speed is close to Mach 10 in the descending phase.[34]

>>63842900
that's the corn they've been feeding them

>>63861137
So do you have a different explanation for the non linear difference in penetration between 5k and 10k concrete?

>>63845172
>penetrate 60m of rock
What type of rock?
Is the stratigraphy homogeneous
Are there concrete or metal armor layers present

Heterogeneous material layers will deflect the weapon's subsurface trajectory on the way to its detonation depth/target destination

(the MOP / bunker buster penetration depth estimates are based upon, assumed homogeneous materials)

>>63861836
No. All that weight is fuel; most of the weight of the GBU-57 is high-density steel. Throwing a fragile warhead at high-strength concrete will just make it disintegrate, the penetrator is crucial for bunker busters.

>>63863660
This anon >>63850571 wrote a good explanation. It has a lot to do with penetration resistance and the material's abiöity to absorb and transmit energy.

Iran's heavy water reactor got absolutely DOMED.

>>63857026
>DA JOOOOOOOOOZ
Ok, I'll lay it out straight for you. Nothing would make me happier than watching my tax dollars go to blowing up a bunch of goat fuckers with delusions of grandeur. Islam a backwards ass murderous death cult. The nations that practice it as their primary religion are a net drain on humanity, not only economically, but culturally, societally, and genetically. I genuinely think the correct response to shit skin posturing is to take it seriously and knock them down a few pegs until they learn to keep their fucking mouth shut. I would watch footage of B-2s dropping MOPs and laugh my ass off. So yeah, it's "jewish propaganda and tricks", not the fact that subhumans like you need to learn to keep your eyes down and mouths shut when your betters are talking.

>>63864880
Post your gun with timestamp

>>63866653
Traditionally you post yours first but since I know you don't have any I'll skip that whole song and dance. You know what else you don't have? Indoor plumbing.

>>63866760
>he doesn’t use a bidet
NEVER GONNA MAKE IT

>>63866869
The retards that plumbed my new house used a hard 90 PEX fitting and direct connection instead of a proper whip and I haven't fixed it for a bidet yet.

>>63864034
Is that full penetration, or a crater?

>>63867452
Ask your mum lol

>>63863819
Supposedly 5000 PSI concrete.

Though some sources site 60 feet of 5000 PSI concrete instead of 60 meters, and the USAF hasn't exactly come out of the woodwork to give us the correct information.

>>63866760
>Traditionally you post yours first
Nta but that's the exact opposite of how it works, it's always been accused posts first here, because the joke is a riff on "post tits" and "post hand" and other similar forum jokes from way back. No one posted their cock and then said "post nudes" back ten fifteen years ago.

>>63868048
No, that's exactly how it works. The implication of "post gun" is always that the challenged party doesn't have any guns and can therefore not prove that they actually have a valid reason to be on /k/. However, in order for that challenge to be issued, the one issuing it must first prove that they do in fact own guns as well. It's like saying "post physique" in an argument on /fit/ when you're a fat sack of shit and you're just trying to bluff. It's all mouth and no trousers and I didn't feel like going back and forth with some worthless turd worlder that can never back their shit up. I did enjoy the meltdown and BBC porn spam that flooded the board about 20 minutes later, very entertaining. Also note they still haven't even posted a toilet at this point.

>>63842885 (OP)
bigger, they're not going to disclose the exact #feet it can actually penetrate
>lol penetrate

>>63850705
you're talking about the wavelength, which of course decides how much energy is coupled into the target
you can do some VERY fucky things with composite armor and meta-materials in general, of which concrete is one
imagine if some joker decided to surface their bunker with black diamond or stuff it full of sintered alumina balls

>>63867790
>Supposedly 5000 PSI concrete
ok
so, not rock. Concrete

>60 feet instead of 60 meters

>>63869737
>No, that's exactly how it works
It literally isn't and no amount of cool redditor facts and logic argument changes what the tradition has been since day one.

>>63842885 (OP)
So how does it magically phase through rock and concrete on its weight alone? Boeing is not clear on this. Even their planes can only go a couple dozen feet into dirt.

>>63876012
>erm the manufacturer needs to tell us exactly how their weapons work so we can build bunkers to counter them
Somehow I don't see that happening.

So, did it work? I thought the facility was buried to such a depth that a tactical nuclear strike was needed?

>>63876075
According to iranians, who have an interesting relationship with the truth

Fordow wasn't the Air Force's to destroy. The mission should have been given to the Navy, flying Super Hornets through a canyon lined with SAMs in airspace defended by F-14s and fifth-generation fighters

>>63845197
Huh dident realise britain is next to iraq

>>63857026
>You´re actually regurgitating Jewish propaganda
Truth GBU-57: The greatest white boy anthem of the past 30 years was written by a Jewish guy
https://youtu.be/09LTT0xwdfw

>>63850347
Square cube law
Out there in meatspace EVERYTHING is 3D

>>63876053
Their explanation is that it has a hardened steel tip. How that allows it to phase through matter is another question entirely.

>>63876075
Three GBU-57 MOPs dropped sequentially down each of two AIR VENTS (six MOPs total), not the entrances, according to Jennifer Griffin on Fox, destroying the entire facility, not just the entrances.

Do people really think Iran is winning just because they hate the US and Israel and they want it to be true

I want to fuck Sydney Sweeney but I don't feel the urge to spam "I'M FUCKING SYDNEY SWEENEY RIGHT NOW BROS JUST CAME ON HER GIANT JUGS" and then call everybody who doesn't believe me a jew

>>63842908
How’d we drop 6 then

>>63876203
This is gonna blow your mind but more than one B2 exists

>>63876189
can I press X to doubt on that one?

Would be cool, but I don't see how you drop 3 bombs on 2 targets from 3 planes near simultaneously with JUST the right timing for a proper successive penetration/detonation sequence in the correct order and in the right positions.

Technically possible, highly unlikely.

>>63876199
yes
we are in post-truth politics and social media lets people create an echo chamber to reinforce whatever they want to believe

>>63876199
Bots bro bots.

>>63876217
american technology and skill is just that good

>>63876199
>Do people really think Iran is winning
no, there are stills pretending to support Iran to make killing them socially acceptable by presenting the iranians as morons who literally cannot tell their ass from a hole in the ground

>>63876217
Its not much harder than bullseyeing womprats, theyre not much bigger than 2 meters

>>63876217
Just use the force.

>>63876199
Yes, I have people in my personal life asking why Israel would start a war they're going to lose, despite the fact that Israel has basically won the conventional war already.

>>63876231
>stills
shills**

MIGA
THANK YOU ZION DON

>>63876217
>United States military
We aren't #1 for no reason lil bro.

>>63876203
Send at least three of them methinks

If you want to know whether Fordow is really gone, Iran's head of parliament is currently saying that they didn't need Fordow anyway

I think that's the most honest kind of answer you can get to these material questions

So basically the outcome of the bombing is entirely dependent on the PSI of the concrete that Iran bought from the Norks?

>>63876265
you can't bomb knowledge but you can bomb scientists, as the israelis would say

>>63876199
Staying off social media to keep away from the mass of retards and their opinions is the best thing to do. They can screech whatever they want to be true, doesn't change whatever is actually happening in reality.

>>63876265
The ol' monkey model nuclear facilities, huh?

>>63876217
I wish I could just post proofs, but since I can't find the video on the open web, you're gonna have to doubt at your own discretion. During 2015, the USAF used two F-15Es, loaded with 7 GBU31V3 2Klb penetrator JDAMs each, to hit a single 2 meter wide target hole in a roof in the middle eastern 9 story building that held the majority of Isis buillon and cash assets in a seized bank in the basement vault. All 14 bombs hit within 1.5 seconds, and all detonated at varying levels of the building using impact delay fuzes to allow the final bombs to hit the basement bank vault.

>>63876218
>>63876237
>>63876283
I find it incredibly irritating that I had to hear for over a decade about how invincible Assad was, literally millions of posts, and then one day he was gone and either

>never mentioned again
or rarely
>"nobody never said he was invincible bro you fell for the jews lmao it was the jews saying he was invincible"

Boomer fucks can't die off quick enough, once they're gone America can finally stop sucking kike dick

>>63876217
>zoomers believe technology from 1991 is physically possible challenge [hard]

>>63876301
The grim reality is people only like winners. Assad was the coolest thing until he wasn't, and then he was swiftly thrown aside by his "fans".

>>63873231
Post gun

>>63876189
>>63876217
She reported in on the Fox News broadcast, but haven't seen any more details reported anywhere yet. But there is this:
https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1936595344348844190#m
https://xcancel.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1936595344348844190#m

>>63876301
I mean I was pretty convinced Asaad was getting out on top but here we are, not going to the internet proclaiming it or anything but it seemed the most logical to me. Things can change in a moment's notice.

>A spokesperson for Hezbollah told Newsweek that the Iran-aligned militant group did not have immediate plans to retaliate against Israel and the United States after President Donald Trump ordered direct U.S. strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

>"Iran is a strong country capable of defending itself, logic dictates that it can confront America and Israel," a Hezbollah spokesperson said. "Hezbollah remains committed to all matters agreed upon since the ceasefire."

>>63876321

>>63842909
You just compress the earth beneath the bombs. Each bomb becomes less and less effective.

>>63876327
>get bombed so much you become immune to bombs
like shooting yourself with a .22 every morning until you become bulletproof

>>63876325
>we're still picking up the bits of limbs from the beeper incident

>>63876327
Israel collapsed Nasrallah's bunker using consecutive hits.

>>63876189
Reports I saw said Fordow only had 1 airvent and 2 entrances, so where did the 2nd airvent come from?

>>63876321
>>63876326
The flash

>>63876359
The other b2

>>63842909
But then we’d never get to use cool shit

so i guess we find out soon if they work

Kek, imagine being the b2 pilots that flew that mission right now. It also invalidates the entire plot of top gun maverick.

>>63876385
To be fair, we've spent like $600M on the GBU-57 program over the last 15 years, might as well get some use out of it.

>>63876391
Not really, Maverick had to contend with a modern airforce and air defenses.

Obviously if you let Israel fuck up their airforce and air defences for a week or two in advance it changes the calculus

>>63876325
That is such a cucked out response lmao.

>>63876391
>It also invalidates the entire plot of top gun maverick.
If Iran deployed its massive fleet of Su-57s they would have easily shot the bombers down and could only have been subdued in close quarters dogfights

>>63876325
not even any bluster? they must have really been eviscerated

>>63876359
I mean the most obvious answer is your intelligence assessment was wrong and there was more than one air vent.

Be honest bros

How long has she got?

>>63876391
TGM has a fictional not!Iran where the S-400 isn't shit and they've got Su-57s.

>>63850338
<< REDLINE intensifies >>

>>63876325

>>63876325
Well, no shit.
Hamas and Hezbollah are fucked, and the Houthis are way too isolated. Are we possibly going to see the Shia militia in Iraq do something? Or are they afraid of getting eradicated like the other Iran stooges?

>>63876189
>>63876359
New York Times reporting 12+2 GBU-57s used from at least 6+1 B-2s.

>>63876199
It's not that the us and Israel won't flatten anything from the air it's that getting trapped in another decade+ sand war is a miserable fucking future.
It's really Europe that's fucked from this though due to refugees

>>63845186
yeah they probably built a forcefield, that EATS MOPs

>>63876425
It wouldn't be fair if Russia only gets to keep the "largest ship lost in combat since WW2" record for two years

>>63876425
A long time, we don't want to discourage them from wasting time and money on garbage.

>>63876325
Holy shit they really did get buck broken. That response almost sounds depressing

>>63876425
I'll be honest, I don't think Israel views it as even worth the cost in JDAMs to sink it, but maybe their Navy is going to get bored and want to justify their existence at the next budget meeting so they'll hit it with some torpedoes from a sub or something.

Why not just bomb the very clear exits and entrances? Because they might have hidden ones?

>>63876448
I'm probably gonna be proven wrong and regret this in a day but whatever assholes are running Iraq have had a real talent for staying out of trouble post-ISIS
It's a skill Middle Easterners can eventually develop; look at Jordan and Egypt

>>63876325

>>63876451
Isn't that nearly the entire stockpile of MOPs? Seems unwise

>>63876467
Why bomb the exits when you can just aim center mass and collapse the entire thing?

>>63876467
It's like cratering the runway at an airbase. It doesn't stop it from being a problem later, they just have to fix the damage before they can get back to business.

>>63876467
It would buy maybe 6 months, leveling it would buy several years.

>>63876428
Not even S-400. Notiran was armed with SA-3 Goas, which somehow manage to shoot down superhornets at low altitude, something the SA-3 is notoriously bad at.

>>63876471
what else are they going to use them on in the near future? those bombs were probably literally developed specifically to hit iranian nuclear sites.

>>63876471
We have nukes for everything else. We literally have over 1,000 nuclear armed cruise missiles. This was a situation that isn't replicated anywhere else on the globe where we won't get into a shooting war.

>>63876461
Shiite's have a theology of valoured defeat (slave morality).They're following their scripted mythopoetics to celebrate another defeat on Ashura. Business as usual to keep losing in their cosmology.

>>63876471
What else are they going to use it for?

>>63876484
Allegedly mega structures in China or something. I don't buy that though because the AA situation in China isn't like Iran

>>63876471
Make more if they work, or change the design if they haven't. They're there to be used for this task, not sit in a warehouse inventory.

>>63876499
meanwhile

>>63876471
The 20 number reported is just citing a 2015 report that was only counting the ORIGINAL production order of 20 units.

We know they had successive iteration of the platform and those original 20 were likely upgraded, but we also saw 2 or 3 more production orders between 2015 and 2023, there was also a 2024 DoD report that stated they were looking to triple the production capacity of MOPs, and you don't triple the production capacity of something you only have 20 of, so they clearly have more than 20.

>>63876494
what mega structures? china has had nukes since the 60s, you aren't deleting their nuclear program in any scenario short of all out nuclear war which obviously would be self defeating.

literally the ONLY scenario bombs like this would be useful is against targets under a gorillion feet of rock, and the only targets that are worth building under a gorillion feet of rock are nuclear weapon development sites for countries that don't already have nuclear weapons. and iran is basically the only country on that list and has been for a very long time. I guarantee the only reason the program for those bombs was greenlit was for exactly this purpose.

>>63876484
>>63876494
>>63876471
There is something silly about the idea that only 20 of these bombs exist, and they were all manufactured during a six month span in 2011

I'm not saying it isn't true but it's odd either way what a "limited run" they were

>>63876305
Even Himars isn't that accurate

>>63876494
>>63876513
China isn't going to happen and it isn't even useful against the Norks since they already have nukes and most of the places you would want to hit are too deep, the Pyongyang metro alone is twice it's maximum depth.

>>63876524
himars are cheap expendable battlefield equipment, B2s and the weapons made for them are literally the highest dollar nuclear capable strategic weapons in the US arsenal. why exactly do you think some ground based missile launcher would be more capable than a B2?

>>63876524
himars are there to delete a grid, not hit a crosshair

>>63876514
they are very special use case

>>63876524
>Even Himars isn't that accurate
Is this what ziggers tell themselves to feel better?

>>63876514
See >>63876511
We KNOW more than 20 exist, but 20 is the only number we've ever seen publicly, so it's the number being used.

>>63876469
People talk a lot of shit about Iraq but I think they have genuine potential
On of their most dedicated jihadis had a total change of heart about democracy a little while ago when he realised that it could protect the rights and livelihoods of his specific ethnic minority better than any insurgency ever could
If even a guy like that can figure it out then Iraqi democracy might just stand a chance

>>63876425
>>63876466
I think they're leaving them alone until Iran tries to pull the Hormuz card and interfere with shipping. If Iran doesn't dare trying to use its navy then why bother touching it, like >>63876459 said then it's just a money sink as far as Israel cares.

>>63876217
Did you see the Nasrallah assassination where they dropped like 50 bombs in a couple of seconds and literally dug a hole down to him?

CNN just said 12 MOPs were dropped. How many B-2s were flying circles around Iran for that? lol

>>63876541
>>63876514
They are literally made for hitting Iran, they aren't effective against anyone else besides very limited cases like the Pakistani government losing control.

>China: Already have nukes, too much AA/Airforce
>Russia: Nooooooks
>Norks: Already have nukes, might not work
>???????

>>63876553
2 mops per b-2. so 6.

>>63876524
Anon, HIMARS is an entirely different weapon for an entirely different use case

>>63876555
Super deep command centers? Chyna is supposed to be building their own Cheyenne complex.

>>63876217
You literally typed this out on the specific kind of machine that can do such things with ease

are we going to see any footage ;__;

>>63876199
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ELNfnbU-Kc0&pp=ygUXa2Fyb2xpbmUgbGVhdml0dCB0cmFvcmU%3D

This is a video I came across earlier today. It has over 600,000 views. It tells the story of the Russian backed leader of Burkina Faso humiliating the White House press secretary on a talk show.

This event never happened. It’s completely purely bullshit. And the video is in English, so it wasn’t made for domestic consumption. I don’t know if it’s desperation or what but axis of resistance propaganda now seems to be just blatantly lying in an easily disprovable way. Like the F-35 “shootdown” a couple days ago. There’s not even any plausible deniability left.

I think the goal is to create information silos that pull people into an almost religious mindset. They get so dug in with so much bullshit that even presented with hard evidence they refused to believe it. Like >>63876218 said

>>63876568
if you are bombing beijing you are in all out war anyway and might as well fire off nukes.
it would take an insane leap of logic to claim that china would not respond with nukes to bombing their premier military base in the chinese capital.

>>63876553
Claim by a dude last night who people only found now they know what happened was that a flight of 9 left the US.

>>63876569
> with ease
it's a capability never before demonstrated.

This isn't hitting the same point 3 times in a row, it's hitting the same point 3 times with the exact timing/positioning so that each successive penetrator can go deeper. If your successive penetrator is too early it runs into the shockwave and debris of the first penetrator, if your successive penetrator is too late you end up hitting a crater filled with debris.

Again, technically possible, highly difficult to actually accomplish in the real world.

>>63876566
lies.

gbu-39 from himars and gbu-57 from b-2s are both Guided Bomb Units. it's in the name.

>Iran’s nuclear infrastructure not defeated, after the US bombings
(((

>>63876572
>And the video is in English, so it wasn’t made for domestic consumption
is it possible that that's just because english is the lingua franca? could still be for domestic (regional) consumption

>>63876199
Yes. I checked /pol/ out of curiosity after the strikes and they're having a massive chimp out over it and genuinely believe we're at war or that a war is going to start over this

>>63876583
>it's a capability never before demonstrated
Except for the multiple times the US did it in GW2, and a few months ago when Israel did it to Nasrallah with nearly 2 dozen bombs in Lebanon.

>>63876586
(((

>>63876568
Actually yes, them and the Norks. Iran got into the mole game late, even with expert help they just didn't have the experience and capacity to make it deep enough.

>>63876590
When has the US EVER demonstrated a bunker busting which required 3 successive penetrators?

Again, I'm not talking about hitting the same target 3 times, I'm talking about using 3 bombs to cause a singular deep penetration on a target.

>>63876598
Opening of Gulf War one they did something like that in Bagdad.

>>63876583
>hitting the same point 3 times with the exact timing/positioning so that each successive penetrator can go deeper
Go ask your mom to explain how that's possible. She has firsthand experience.

>>63876583
Doubt the debris left over from a strike is much match for the MOP, hell of a lot easier at least than what was there before hand anyways.

>>63876598
Besides Gulf Wars 1 and 2?

>>63876568
>Cheyenne complex.
Fucking cool patch

>>63876552
That's pretty sick, I have to commend the jews for able to pull off cool assassinations like that

>>63876610
Then show me a single example.

Again, we're not talking about hitting the same target with 3 bombs, but specifically 3 bombs used in succession for the express purpose of deeper penetration

Retard here. Is the site destroyed? What are the chances it's not?

>>63876621
Completely destroyed? Unlikely.
Functionally destroyed? Likely.
Functionally damaged? Certain.

>>63876621
the only legit answer at this stage is that no one outside of the pentagon or iran itself knows.

Reporting is that 5 or 6 MOPs were dropped on Fordow and the other two sites were hit with Tomahawks. The claim is that all three 3 sites were destroyed. Hegseth is to do a press briefing 8am EST. I really hope they’ll show us BDA footage.

>>63876621
I'd refer you to >>63876265
Iran has already confirmed that they didn't need Fodro anyway and that's pretty telling language from thirdies

>>63876588
Nope. Francophone region with minimal English speakers. Maybe towards the wider anglophone African community, but I tend to lead towards tankies.

>>63876621
White House claims "obliterated", Tehran claims "no irreversible damage" and they were already evacuated (including fissile material), I wish someone would post some pictures already

>>63876586
>>63876593
KEK
>>>/pol/508279613

>>63876641
ah right

>>63842885 (OP)
The next bunker better be at least 200m deep, with several thick alternating layers of concrete, steel and ceramics above it. Maybe even a shell of titanium. Also better have co2 scrubbers and a tunneling machine inside as well so you can dig your way out if the 10+ entrances all get collapsed.

>>63876648
specifically this, 6 b2s for fordow and 1 for natanz

>>63876646
what compels them to be like this?

Also. If it comes out that the Pentagon’s claim of destruction is true, then a LOT of anons pushing this ultra concrete Iran superpower shit are going to have a lot of egg on their faces.

>>63876659
2 decades of blue-balling everyone about le anti-American resistance and no cum

Does the US have underground nuclear sites? Should we?

>>63876651
>Maybe even a shell of titanium
lmao

>>63850338
I wish there was a way to play the golden trilogy on PC.

>>63876321
>>63876376
>3.6um
So like 530 celcius... Without knowing anything else about the sensor (resolution, spectral sensitivity etc) or the detection (duration, other readings etc), that's a pretty peculiar temperature. It's way too cold to be an explosion or a fire, but way too hot to be an ordinary crater. Maybe an underground fire? But what would feed it long enough to make the surface that hot, and wouldn't we see a steady rise over multiple readings? If the temperature hit that very quickly and is now falling slowly, are we looking at a nuclear event? Either a fizzle from the strike or the strike itself being very deep and a tactical nuke?

>>63876651
Minus the titanium the USA, Russia, China and DPRK have places like that. The Moscow and Pyongyang subways are deeper than MOPs can hit.

how many tax dollars is this for israel this time

>>63876589
>genuinely believe
Most don't. They're just russian or iranian or chinese bots.

this is the first time in history the US has directly bombed Iranian land

>>63876720
its only stealing tax dollars if they dont release footage to the public

>>63876724
That's a shame. Hopefully won't be the last.

>>63876732
ok Bibi calm down

>>63876727
whatever makes your mortgage feel better

>>63876727
Agreed they better fucking show some cool footage

>>63876552
>where they dropped like 50 bombs in a couple of seconds and literally dug a hole down to him?

Could you destroy Mount Yamantau like that?

>>63842885 (OP)
The Three Gorges Dam, how many MOPs would it take bros?

I've given it some thought, and I'll tell you what: Maybe the Americans didn't miss, but threw a powerful bomb nearby as a warning shot in the air.
To tempt the Iranians into a nuclear arms deal.
That would seem reasonable.

>>63876808
It's pretty obvious that this happened because Iran still hasn't agreed to negotiate. They made the demand that everyone stop bombing them before negotiations began. I too would like it if everyone gave away their leverage before arguing with me, but that's not how negotiations work.

>>63876708
There is PCSX2

>>63876282

Supposedly Isfahan was only hit with cruise missiles and had underground storage that survived. If true is should be easy to tell since it was their main Uranium Hexafluoride storage facility and there is absolutely no way in hell you could hide it if that shit gets hit.

>>63876510
China does nothing and keeps winning.

So...
The underground sites have been talked about non-stop for the past two weeks in the news worldwide. What are the chances they just moved all the enriched material out of the underground site days or weeks ago, in anticipation of an attack?

>>63876863
Why do you think that matters at all? It's not weapons grade and dirty bombs are a meme.

>>63876578
Would a nuke actually do anything to a bunker under a mountain, though? I don't think they're particularly good as vaporizing rock. Gnome only made a cavern a couple dozen meters across. Something directed like Casaba-Howitzer would be really good. Too bad it got canceled. Fucking hippies.

>>63876863
60% can't go boom. Having uranium sitting in a broom closet somewhere means jack shit.

>>63876863
Iran says they already moved the fissile material out of the facilities. Mossad probably knows where it is though

>>63876863
Unless it gets ignited even the enriched material can be dug out eventually.

UF6 that loses confinement is a total loss and everyone even close to it is dead in the worse way imaginable and depending on concentration unusable for the foreseeable future. It is wasn't so dangerous to transport it would make a great chemical weapon.

>>63876889
It is much easier to refine than lower grades but otherwise yes.

>>63876882
>Would a nuke actually do anything to a bunker under a mountain, though?
Yeah, create a gigantic fucking shockwave.

>>63876882
>Would a nuke actually do anything
I can't imagine why you think a nuclear bomb would be less capable than a conventional bomb. Ground bursting nuclear warheads is literally the intended method for destroying hardened missile silos. They even experimented with using nuclear bombs for excavating earth for geoengineering purposes way back in the day because nukes are so good at destroying shit.

>>63876892
>It is much easier to refine than lower grades
Sure, if you've got centrifuges. Iran seems to be having problems with those at the moment.

>>63849077
Most likely. It's very easy to believe that somebody called him back to make a decision within a small time-window. When you make a call like this, it really needs to be in person and not over the phone.

>>63876902
The source of the material can be traced so they would need to use Iranian Uranium but i don't get why they didn't rent out North Korea's cascades.

All i can think is they didn't have anything to offer, their cooperation has been lagging lately as the gap between the two increase.

>>63876863
>The underground sites have been talked about non-stop for the past two weeks in the news worldwide. What are the chances they just moved all the enriched material out of the underground site days or weeks ago, in anticipation of an attack?
Anon, you're talking about the same group of people who refused to change their daily routines once the Iranian Ack!-ening was popping off and had the entirety of their military high command along with their 1st and 2nd round of replacements killed.

>>63876425
Got to leave something to hit for your 'proportional response' if Iran tries anything

>>63876448
>Are we possibly going to see the Shia militia in Iraq do something? Or are they afraid of getting eradicated like the other Iran stooges?
I think a lot of the Iraqi Shia groups have come out over the years and said that they were done fucking around with the US. From what I remember it mostly has to do with them being tired of Iran's shit, but there might be a few hard liners who MIGHT do something

>>63877054
>but there might be a few hard liners who MIGHT do something
And there might be millions of US armed and funded Kurds in Iraq with territorial ambitions on the Kurish regions of Iran...just saiyan.

>>63877079
I'm honestly shocked that the Iranian Kurds haven't popped off the moment the Iranian Air Force got murdered out of existence. Though I'm also not surprised because I think Turkey would just sweep in at that point and deal a death blow to their Kurdish state ambitions right then and there

>>63876893
Equivalent to an earthquake, which can be engineered against.
>>63876895
A missile silo isn't buried particularly deep, since the missile actually needs to be able to leave the facility. They're not buried under literal mountains.

Why can't the B-52 or the B1 carry the MOP?

Isn't the payload capacity of the B1 even larger than of the B2?

>>63877123
There's no reason they can't they just never bothered to certify them because it costs money and they assumed anytime they needed to use it they would be using the B-2 regardless.

>>63877123
probably just a targeting/latching mechanism that could be easily solved like with Ukraine's Migs being able to fire SS

>>63877123
my guess they are just specifically designed for the b2 bomb bay and utilizing those dimensions to the maximum possible extent for the biggest bomb possible, and there was no reason to make it compatible with those other planes because such bombs would only be used in the highest value highest risk scenarios that would necessitate using the B2 anyway.

>>63877123
You could also push it out the back of a C-130 but that wouldn't make much sense because the B2 has better stealth capabilities.

>>63877144
But why do you need stealth? Isnt Iran's AA network allegedly pretty much destroyed.

>>63876708
you might be stupid

>>63877168
The US isn't going to fuck around with its strategic bombers and just trust that Israel got every single SAM in a giant ass country.

>>63877123
>>63877168

It is designed for the sole purpose of a preemptive strike against a nuclear break through state. Anything other than a B-2 is too vulnerable.

It really is only usable against Iran, weaker powers or in a very specific situation Pakistan. If it existed before the DPRK had nukes it would be unusable against them.

>>63877168
Aircraft and pilots are expensive to replace. You don't really win any points for saving money on a strike like this

>>63877172
No I'm not.

>>63877183
its called emulation my nigga

>>63856044
The only issue with this is that it requires you to call a dozen world leaders 3 days in advance and pinky promise that you aren't nuking anyone whereas with B-2s you can blow your load with near impunity and all anyone can do is watch.

>>63877178
>>63877144
>>63877123
Israel attempted to lease or purchase a B52 and MOP bombs in the 2010s. They specified the B52 because they knew getting a B2 was hopeless

The Obama administration said "fuck no"
They asked again with Trump 1 and he said "I'll think about it... no"

https://claritywithmichaeloren.substack.com/p/israels-search-for-a-used-b-52

(Source is the former Israeli ambassador to the US)

>>63877199
Israel should just build their own. For whatever reason a tiny ass country operating a fleet of strategic bombers sounds hilarious.

>>63877173
You have lots of B-52s though. Why would you deny a pilot the chance to go down like Major Kong?

>>63876714
An hour later FIRMs passed over and measured the ground at 32 celcius against a background of 17, and flagged it as a possible fire with an output of 580kW. I think the detections were some fission going on due to the strike. Cool.

>>63877210
>For whatever reason a tiny ass country operating a fleet of strategic bombers sounds hilarious.
They had ww2 strategic or tactical bombers for a while. One of their F-15 squadrons is the same unit that flew them

>>63877233
I know but I want fuckhuge cold war tier strategic bombers. Give Israel the old blueprints to the Peacemaker, see what they come up with.

>>63876217
This is a video of a single B-2 dropping 80 JDAMs on a mock airfield and hitting every single target with sub-meter precision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdzJWciha4A

>>63876651
Also a layer of enchanted diamond armour

>>63877210
Israel has no real domestic aircraft industry, their entire MIC is built around working around their huge industrial limitations. Bare hull Merkava's have IFV level protection, almost all of that armor is modular add ons designed to get around their severe lack of heavy industry.

B-52s would be easier for the DPRK to make than Israel, they at least could scrounge up a heavy press: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Press_Program

>>63877210
They should just modify a F-15 to dorsal mount a GBU-57 like the global strike eagle.

>>63842885 (OP)
Stupid idea compared to bunker-busting missiles. The next-generation penetrator kind of has the right idea, but why even launch from a plane? ICBM design can get you way higher velocities. They also need to ditch the steel casings for refractory alloys.

>>63877266
Instead of a HE warhead make a MOP sized one use 15 ton gun barrel with a one ton DU sabot.

>>63876459
It's not a total waste. My thinking is that this is like a proof of concept to show that they can run carrier ops so that China will consider selling to them when they want to offload their old Kuz-class.

>>63876882
>only made a cavern a couple dozen meters across
>only

>>63876807
I reckon 2 dozen would be enough

>>63877266
I thought this, but it turns out if the velocity is too high the projectile vapourises on impact. Basicially the kinetic energy of the first contact is so great that everything turns to plasma and the projectile doesn't enter the concrete. There's a balance to it that conventional ICBMs exceed. Also a conventional ICBM is going to be a smaller warhead, most of the missile is launch fuel, whilst an air delivered bomb can be all explosives. The ICBM only makes sense as a nuke where warhead size can be small and the ground blast so large that penetration doesn't matter.

>>63876889
60% technically can, but the amount of it that you need is pretty absurd and not really useful for any military applications. You really need 80%+, preferably 90%+.

>>63876891
Yes all 1/2 gram of their fissile material

>>63877266
There was HVPW which was a 2000lbs rocket assisted bomb meant for the F-35.
And GSPM was supposed to go on conventional prompt strike or sub-launched.

>>63877327
Not much when you need to go through hundreds of meters to take out something like Cheyenne.

>>63877168
Why wouldn’t you? At the very least it is more badasser and a FAFO siren

>>63877452
If they weren't close to a bomb they would not being bombed. Especially because they could buy it from the DPRK or at least some important aspects of it.

Russia really has been fucking Iran's military development with giving cheap oil to the DPRK.

We live in a world where Iran can't to buy the DPRKs help.

It's so funny seeing Copelord say that the B-2 didn't actually attack the nuclear sites and it was all just for show.

>>63876855
>Isfahan was only hit with cruise missiles
checked, apparently one B-2 delivered a GBU-57 there which was not effective due to the depth of that complex' embedment in rock

>>63876425
we're not going to war, so she's got as long as it takes for what ever government replaces the Ayatollah in 3-5 years to decommission her because it's too expensive

>>63877522
If it stored significant amounts of uranium Hexafluoride gas then it will be impossible to hide a good hit.

>>63877266
ICBM design would not work because adversaries would think that it is a nuclear first strike. Air launched weapon is a safer delivery method politically.

>>63877522
If it was hit for the reasons stated there would be a uranium hexafluoride gas release. You can't hide that.

>>63877571
A decent hit on any facility holding UF6 is hell on earth, results in a almost unstoppable fire and a radiation release that cannot be hidden.

>>63877499
>>63877452 #
>If they weren't close to a bomb they would not being bombed.
You're assuming this is all about military capabilities and has nothing to do with keeping Justin Bibi out of prison

what is that little nipple on the tip of the MOP?

>>63877464
>>63877416
Current ICBM payloads might just "vaporize" at hypersonic speeds, but current ICBMs are some meh-sized rockets (Minuteman III ~60ft long). If you even upgrade them to the size of SpaceX's shit, and devote the bulk of the payload to a thicker refractory metal casing than current bunker busters, you'll get way improved penetration compared to any existing weapon.

>>63876708
PS2 emulation has come miles since the early 2010s, just ran through AC0 with flawless performance last month.

>>63876125
many dont know this!

>>63877250
Which in no way proves they can put 3 bombs in a single hole, which by evidence of the satellite photos showing 3 separate impact craters, I was correct.

>>63879195
>3 separate impact craters
They dropped twelve MOPs on Fordow

>>63879819
That isn't confirmed.

The only confirmed information is 14 total were used, 2 were dropped from the lead aircraft on fordow.

It's POSSIBLE 10 more were dropped on Fordow and then the final 2 at Natanz, but nothing has confirmed this, and seems more likely they would do ~8-10 at one site and 4-6 at the other.

>>63879907
>10 more were dropped on Fordow and then the final 2 at Natanz
Which is exactly what the US claims they did.

This whole operation would have worked a lot better with Daisy Cutters after bunker busters, wouldn't it?

>>63881164
No.