Have you ever had buyers remorse for a gun? What was it, why did you buy it, and why did you change your mind?

For me it was a Diamondback DB9, a piece of shit little 9mm that I convinced myself would be okay as a pocket gun but very quickly traded in for something nicer a week later. I payed 276 for it.

>>63844206 (OP)

A friend of mine talked me into buying a Canik TP9 when they first came out because 'muh striker fired.'
I didn't know fuck all about them except they were a Sig clone.
Had it for a month, put about 400 rounds through it and regretted it the entire time.
Sold it and bought an M9 that was on sale.
That was a few years ago and the M9 has sense cured my remorse.

surprisingly, no

Yeah
Accidently got the new Henry Supreme in 300blk wanted .223.

Proverb looks good flies good applies to guns too. Didn't look good didn't shoot good. .300blk is an ok as some master of none meme. Also fuck guns . com

>>63844206 (OP)
This. Absolute. PoS.
Dicked over by both Kahr Group AND the kikes.
Slide locking lugs inside the slide are almost sheared down after less than 2k rounds through it, pistol consistently groups 8in low until getting aftermarket sights. Dogshit finish and fitment, weak metals used.
It's only purpose nowadays is my proof gun for load testing new 9mm recipes.
Get a proper Jericho, don't buy they Kahr/ Bul Armory nonsense.

>>63844231
specifically what caused you to regret the canik?
2 lgs' ive walked into have each had a TP9 SFX that have caught my eye as far as a feature rich striker 9 in my budget

>>63844287
I never could put my finger on it honestly. It shot well, the trigger was light, it jammed a couple of times in the first twenty or so rounds but after that ran fine. I CC'd it the entire time I had it, and it was bulky but no worse than the M88A Tok I carried before that.
It's weird I know, but I never could bring myself to like it and to this day I don't know why.

>>63844319
caniks are nigger guns, you probably just didnt want to be seen as a nigger deep down inside

>>63844322
Can't argue with the digits

bought like 3 different rifles that i fired once and then never again, traded them all away for more fun guns
main issue was ammo availability, two of them were 30-06 and the other was a turkish mauser missing a shit ton of parts that i'd need to buy ammo online for

>>63844617
and by availability i mean expensive
i was in highschool at the time and had to beg my parents to buy me that shit, and like hell they wanted to spend $30 on a box of 20 cartridges for me (they werent interested in guns like i am)

>>63844206 (OP)
Haven't bought much new. Mostly "oh god why did I buy this used gun (mostly 22s) thinking I could fix/restore it in the times of overpriced ($50-100 firing pins for an $85-150 22) and unobtanium gun parts?"

>>63844206 (OP)
No, I'm just here to debate chuds on the merits of the Ukraine and Israeli conflicts.

PTR9c
i don't regret it necessarily, I just wish I had spend the extra cash on the SP5 because what's another grand, really?

>>63844206 (OP)
M1A
The only gun purchase I actually regret. I wanted to like it. I wanted it to be a good gun. The more I shot it, the more I hated it until i couldn't stand the sight of the thing anymore. It's currently on consignment at an LGS. I hate the ergos. I hate how ammo picky it is. It's too goddamn heavy for what it is. If you disassemble it, you lose zero. You need specialized tools to maintain and clean it. The magazines are finicky as fuck about insertion and removal. God fucking forbid you have to take the bolt apart for any reason; special tool to put it back together. God fucking forbid you either under lube or over lube it; because both will lead to malfunctions. Absolute fucking garbage rod.
Yes I'm using the first image that came up on google search because I never took pictures of mine and if I did I would have deleted them by now to try and forget.

>>63845467
I've heard a lot of guys felt that way. Huge fucking shame because look at it, that's a good looking rifle.

Yep, as bad as it pains me to say it, my M1A is one of my biggest regret purchases even though it was one of my grail rifles.
>bought to configure as a semi-DMR type rifle
>lucky to hit 3-4MOA at 100 yards even with top tier ammo
>too long to be a civvy battle rifle, but too inaccurate to be a long-range DMR
>using a bipod literally hurts the accuracy
>$200 in aluminum just to mount a scope
>heavy af
>ammo other than M80 ball is expensive
>I'm nearly $2000 in and it gets mogged by AR10's that cost half as much
Really at this point the only thing I love about it is that it looks cool. Beyond that, I just kind of feel disappointment every time I shoot it past 100 yards. You have to do WAY too much to these things to even get them as accurate as a $400 AR upper.

>>63844206 (OP)
>Have you ever had buyers remorse for a gun? What was it, why did you buy it, and why did you change your mind?
Boring story but when I was younger I got enamored with the idea of a "do everything" gun, where I'd "save money and have enhanced capability!" with a 0-800yd all-in-one. And I'd gotten to the point in my career where I had no debt, was making plenty, and could certainly afford whatever. So I put together a tricked out 308 battle rifle AR10 and crammed on all the fixings, fancy LPVO, wml, range finder, put on one of my nicer suppressors, even one of those silly BLKLBL bipod integrated handguards. And I mean, the end result shot fine. And for a few weeks it was neat and new. But holy shit was that thing an absolute pig. IIRC it came out to over 13 fucking lbs, and ultimately I just ended up leaving it in the closet more and more. It just wasn't fun.

So like I said boring because I became young man #14759183711312038 to relearn the ancient "jack of all trades, master of none". It was a fine gun, yet also not really enjoyable at short range and it was both less fun and still significantly worse performing then a proper decent bolt at long range. Having 2-3 guns built for what I actually wanted has proved far better in the end. And since I had gone gucci "because since I'm only getting one gun, I'm still saving money with nicer stuff vs multiple!" like a retard it wasn't even a money saver. You can do a super fun solid 1000yd tikka t3x setup for like $1200, or at least could last year. Literally less then I paid for the lpvo. Oh well.

TP9SFX. By all accounts its a good pistol and it punches above its weight class price wise. The trigger is great, it is exceptionally accurate, but its just... soulless. Yeah its a polymer striker fired Walther clone, of course its soulless right? But its more than that and I can't really explain it. Yeah its sloppy and loose and looks like a nerf gun but function wise its great. Its never malfunctioned on me and I shoot great with it, but it never leaves the safe anymore and it's not worth enough to motivate me to get rid of it, so it remains as a reminder that everytime i get the urge to buy a gun in dont need to just buy ammo instead.

>>63845502
>best looking rifle
Yes.

>>63845513
you are insane in the membrane

Oh yeah.
>brand new Glock 45 MOS factory threaded barrel
Barrel rusted after 300 rounds, 1 year waiting for a free barrel change (this one is not OEM) ; plus too much money spent on dressing it and it still lacks soul
>brand new .22 Ruger American Rimfire
Didn't notice it was a $250 gun sold for 700 in my country
>brand new Ruger Mk4 22/45 Tactical
The lower is plastic and the finish is weak
>used Winchester 1300 with hogue furnitures
During coof for 700 bucks, vastly overpriced, I have a hard time selling it now
>used Winchester 1300 with woods
After coof for 400 bucks, just ragebaitclicked myself ; ok price here, if only it was the only one, or a Moss500
>used Glock 43
6 rounds mags are lame even for 400 bucks, the tech is far too outdated
>so
If I could start again I'd just go
>used basic bitch G17.4 with steel sights
>used basic bitch G26.4 with steel sights
>Ruger Mk4 Tactical with metal lower
>.22 Tikka T1X
>a single 14" barrel 400 bucks max 1300 or 500 or 870
>the rest of my money on any high tier AR
btw guns I dont regret :
>a used USP 9 Tactical
>a brand new 24" Fabarm Martial

>>63845467
>>63845502
I had an M1A too, I wanted to like it, but I just couldnt

I enjoy the manual of arms, and at least for me it was accurate as hell, I put a 1-8 on it and could shoot steel at 1000, it was a comfy rifle, but its too damn heavy for what it is, and the disassembly is a pain in the ass

I've never regretted a gun purchase. Luckily, I figured out that quality > quantity before I got into guns so I never fell in the trap of buying some cheap POS and being disappointed by it.

Though, there have been several purchases I regret passing on.

>>63847840
If so lucky you, that's cool, but a lot of us are talking about quality guns not cheap shit. You can get something nice but that still ends up really not fitting how you like to shoot. Which leads to more, not less, remorse since at least with something cheap you're not out much.

>>63844206 (OP)
>Kimber TLEII
Technically I got this as part of a dealer rewards program, where I got to choose a free gun every so often. I wanted a 10mm 1911. It never ran right even after several attempts at fixes that were supposed to resolve its failure to feed issues. Having it stopped me from buying a better 1911 for years and I should have sold it immediately. Finally did after I got a 10mm Dan Wesson.

>Foxtrot Mike FM102
I thought the idea of a side charging 5.56 rifle with a folding stock and AK mags was really cool, and would make for a really fun and lightweight SBR suppressor host. It's absolutely ass. Incredibly lazy, half passed modification of the AR15 action that uses a terrible nested spring design and has insufficient bolt mass to ever be reliable. I regret buying it, and I especially regret SBRing it because now it's difficult to offload so I'm sort of stuck with a shitty rifle I don't even want to use.

>>63844206 (OP)
p320. Eventually sold it. Just got paranoid and couldn't trust it.

>>63844206 (OP)
Bersa Thunder 380 CC. Was a poorfag in Uni and wanted something cheap for CCW. It's good for what it is, and I never had a single malfunction with it, but the steel slide chipped and tore at the potmetal frame.

My biggest regret is probably going to get some hate.
>PTR-91
I absolutely hated that rifle. I couldn't get it to run right, it would either do what it was supposed to and send brass into the next county or it would get FTEs or double feeds with an FTE so bad I needed to field strip it. I also learned from it I don't like G3/CETME pattern rifles in general. 100m sight was worthless, charging handle is in the absolute worst place for a left hander, the thumb rest would also dig into the web of my hand, finally I hated cleaning that thing. Sold it and built a FAL, best firearms related decision of my life. I love my FAL.
>WASR-3 and WASRs in general
I have owned both a WASR 3 (pic) and more recently a 10. They run don't get me wrong, but holy shit the fit and finish is awful. Plus my front sight on my WASR 3 wouldn't move at all and I quickly learned why the previous owner had a TWS dust cover rail on it. Granted it didn't matter much any how given how canted the FSB and gas block were. WASR-10 is okay in terms of sight alignment, but the fit and finish was still awful. I sold both and am now waiting on a Beryl to come in and maybe around Christmas I'll pick up a Jack in 7.62.

>>63844206 (OP)
I'm Australian so basically every firearm I've ever owned as been a cope for the fact that I can't own an AR15
>black 'tactical' lever action with a quad rail in .22
Was a gimmick which I regretted after a few weeks
>Remington 7615 pump action 5.56 rifle which takes AR mags
Holding a pump action just felt completely unnatural holding part of the fore end which moves and can take the rifle out of battery. My State only allowed 10 round mags so it all felt pointless. The rifle wasn't particularly accurate either, it's more of a 'hunting' rifle which people use to shoot pigs or whatever
>Lee Enfield No.1 MkIII
.303 is absurdly expensive
>Glock 17
Pointless having a full size pistol capped at 10 round mags, and there was no point in owning it for competition pistol shooting when actual comp guns exist.

I used to shoot a friend's 2011 and now I don't shoot at all or even own a firearms licence. There's literally no point in owning cucked firearms, better to just find a different hobby. I go fishing now

>>63848874
I regret buying my PTR91 just because .308 has gotten to be unaffordable. I bought it in 2015 when steel case .308 was 33c/round and plenty of brass case options were available for 40-50c/round. I haven't shot it since 2021.

>>63850013
you didnt make a bad choice, this country is just dogshit

>>63848484
>You can get something nice but that still ends up really not fitting how you like to shoot.
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you give an example? All the stuff I've seen ITT so far is either cheapshit or it's problems that could have been easily avoided with even a tiny bit of research. Maybe it's because I've always saved up for guns rather than impulse buying but I researched the piss out of everything I bought so there really weren't any surprises.
And also, the thing about nice guns is that they hold their value very well so if you did buy something you didn't like it's no big deal, sell it and move on. It's nothing to get worked up over unless you took some huge financial hit in the process, which is really unlikely with a nice gun.

>>63848874
IDK, I like my WASR but I do see its shortcomings. Slight cant on the front sight and it's overgassed as fuck. KNS and maybe a new carrier so it's chromed because the dark black carrier looks weird IMO. Then I think it'll be much better. Oh also the new black plastic furniture is total garbage.

Sig P250.

>>63851840
>I'm not sure what you mean. Can you give an example?
Sure, mine at >>63845530. It was a multi-thousand gun, I put on an ATACR, there's nothing cheap about anything I did. The whole thing was probably $5k. It reliably shot ~1moa with decent ammo. It definitely worked in all regards, and I did research it heavily. I have zero issues with any of the companies who made any of the components of that build.

It's just that in the end the whole concept of "one gun that does everything" didn't work for me vs "multiple specialized guns". Turns out I just plain LIKE having a nice light bolt and a beefier prs bolt, and with all my 500+yd needs (or shorter but max accuracy) handled in a more fun way for me by that, I just really wasn't getting much use out of a heavy 30cal battle rifle. This is pure personal taste, lots of dudes love their BRs and of course you can shave weight vs what I did by giving up on trying to have it be a ghetto prs gun too, but I'm happier having swapped to an intermediate and done something new with an eye on weight from the ground up. Simple red dot and lightest flip mag, no bipod stuff, shorter lighter can. I decided I did still want a light but even there I switched to a handgun light. It's plenty enough for some minimal night needs and it is light.

So I do have some remorse about spending a pile of money and certain amount of time on a jack-of-all-trades effort that didn't work. Simultaneously I know folks who love that same gun and every single component I used and I understand.

>>63848874
I like my WASR-10 but agree with fit and finish. I slapped shitty surplus furniture on it, so the lousy quality feels authentic.

My biggest regret wasnt a gun but involved the wasr10. I slapped magpul furniture and an optic on it, made it look all sleep and modern. Immediately stopped shooting it. Turns out that its charm was being a commie shitbox. Waiting on a replacement grip screw and bushing to finish the refit.

>>63852011
Was it just the DAO trigger you didn't like, or something else?

>>63852073
The DAO trigger. Grip was comfy.

>>63852012
That was certainly a "nice" gun, but IMHO that situation could easily have been avoided with research. As you clearly know now, there's really no such thing as a "do-all" gun because the things that make a gun good for some tasks make them shitty for others. It's not that it "didn't work for you", it's that it's a bad idea period.

> This is pure personal taste,
It's not. That's why different guns exist. It's why a Trap shotgun is totally different from a Duck gun or a combat shotty.

>>63852126
>That was certainly a "nice" gun, but IMHO that situation could easily have been avoided with research
I'm sorry anon but your opinion is wrong here. I researched the hell out of it. But some things you can't know without experiencing them. I know plenty of guys who don't like bolts. We've got a long standing, very nice thread in /brg/ full of anons who love their battle rifles. There's an anon (not sure if he's still on /k/) who has a GM6 Lynx, a 50bmg semi-auto bullpup that weighs like 24lbs naked and he said it's his absolute favorite gun to take out and shoot. You can have a nice gun that doesn't fit your taste. I mean shit, speaking of bullpups, there would be a great example. There are excellent quality bullpups that shoot great, both semiauto and manual actions of various flavors. There is nothing wrong with them. But some people love 'em and some can't stand dealing with the different manual of arms or other tradeoffs. Neither is right or wrong nor is there any "research" to do there, you have to actually try it in person. If you're lucky enough to live in the right place that might be something you can do before buying. If you're not, or you only discover it over the course of a few months of real usage, then you have to just roll the dice.

>This is pure personal taste,
>It's not
It objectively is dude. Even weight is personal taste, because weight ties directly into felt recoil. Some people want a lighter gun and are fine with more kick for it. Some prefer a heavier gun with more stuff but then easier to control. Like, do you spend a lot of time at the bench, or do you go innawoods a lot? 50/50? 90/10 or 10/90? That's personal, but affects your gun choices.

>>63852231
For a non-rifle example, my absolutely favorite handgun remains my Maxim 9. But objectively, that is not a widely shared opinion because the thing fucking failed on the market. It's dead, no longer manufactured. Most of the population does not agree with me. But it wasn't a cheap shit gun either. The trigger isn't great, though perfectly serviceable, which doesn't bother me but bothers others a lot. Etc etc. I wouldn't blame someone if they had remorse about buying one, but I wouldn't agree at all. Dunno how you can say that isn't about taste.

>>63852231
>I researched the hell out of it
I'm guessing you researched the hell out of the specific components--the BCG, the trigger, the barrel, the optic, etc. But I don't think you researched whether or not one "do it all" rifle made sense in the first place. Perhaps I'm wrong, please correct me if that's the case.

>Even weight is personal taste, because weight ties directly into felt recoil.
Weight is objective. That's one of the things I was getting at with my shotgun example. A trap gun is usually quite heavy because you shoot it a lot but you aren't walking far. That's totally different from an upland hunting gun where you walk a lot but shoot very little. You could figure this out the hard way, or you could discover it with research before you buy.

>>63852244
If you like your Maxim 9, awesome. If someone else doesn't like theirs because of the trigger then maybe they should have fingerfucked one before they bought it. Especially since it was sort of a big deal purchase given the NFA paperwork.

>Dunno how you can say that isn't about taste.
Because they could have found out the gun wasn't to their taste before they bought it.

>>63852336
>But I don't think you researched whether or not one "do it all" rifle made sense in the first place. Perhaps I'm wrong, please correct me if that's the case.
I mean, I did the math on ammo savings, what I could reload with, available loadings, and I talked to other guys at the range who had heavy guns. They all liked 'em, which in retrospect is obviously a self-selected audience, I mean like, by definition, if they didn't like them they wouldn't have them at the range. And like I said I DID indeed enjoy it and use it a fair amount for awhile. But in the end it wasn't a good match.

You're basically saying that experience doesn't matter at all and that everything can be done through research. I'm sorry anon, but that's just absolutely not what I've experienced, or heard from anyone. There's some stuff you just really cannot know without actually using it and not for 60 seconds or even for 60 minutes at the range, but by having it yourself for a good few months in various conditions. You can even learn something in research, but under (or over) estimate its importance to you.
>If someone else doesn't like theirs because of the trigger then maybe they should have fingerfucked one before they bought it
This would typically be impossible, are you for real? I dunno if they even made more then 1500 of them total. This isn't the sort of gun you'd find just sitting on the shelf.

But worth noting, we're getting off track from what you originally claimed in >>63847840 and >>63851840 that I replied to. What you claimed was that regret was all about quality. You didn't mention "research" at all in fact. But for another example, an FN SCAR 20S NRCH or a Desert Tech SRS are both absolutely top quality precision rifles, while being radically different too. Both are used in serious comp. Both could very well be a challenge to try out yourself in person. Now what?

>>63852471
>I mean, I did the math & talked to people at the range
Bad research. You should have asked for opinions from people who are experts at the specific roles you wanted a gun for. If hunting was one of those roles, how many hunters did you talk to about using that specific build? Likewise for target shooting, combat, or whatever else. Randos shooting range toys are not reliable sources of information.

>You're basically saying that experience doesn't matter at all
I'm saying that you can benefit from other people's experience.

>There's some stuff you just really cannot know without actually using it and not for 60 seconds or even for 60 minutes at the range, but by having it yourself for a good few months in various conditions. You can even learn something in research, but under (or over) estimate its importance to you.
Obviously those kinds of issues do exist, but I'd argue the chance of encountering a problem that's bad enough to make your entire purchase a "regret" could easily be avoided with research. Yeah sure, maybe you own the rifle for a year and you don't like the front sight. Or the LOP isn't quite right. Or whatever other minor gripe. But I wouldn't call that a big enough deal to mean "regret".

>This would typically be impossible, are you for real? I dunno if they even made more then 1500 of them total.
My LGS had three on the shelf. Perhaps that was unusual? I wouldn't know, I don't know much about the Maxim. But I *DO* know that I would never buy any NFA item sight unseen, especially back then when the wait time was much worse than it is now.

>You didn't mention "research" at all in fact.
That's correct. I assume when we're talking about several hundred dollar (minium) purchases there's going to be at least some research going on. If someone buys a gun just because it looks cool in a movie or game and they end up regretting it I don't think that's even worth discussing.

>>63852471
>Both could very well be a challenge to try out yourself in person. Now what?
The most important distinction--semi vs bolt action--doesn't need to be tried out in order for its importance to be considered. Which is better depends greatly on the role, which you didn't mention. That's kind of my point: start with absolute basics. Before thinking about anything else, what's this gun FOR, exactly? Regardless of personal preferences, bolt vs. semi operation has massive implications for the specific application.

>>63852627
>>63852709
I'm sorry anon, we're not going to agree on this.
>My LGS had three on the shelf. Perhaps that was unusual?
Um, yeah.
>But I *DO* know that I would never buy any NFA item sight unseen, especially back then when the wait time was much worse than it is now.
Then 99% of people would not be able to get all sorts of awesome stuff. Very few places have full lines of suppressors and such that you can try out yourself. That's another example of your personal taste and choice.
>If someone buys a gun just because it looks cool in a movie or game and they end up regretting it I don't think that's even worth discussing.
Now you're just being an asshole.

>>63844206 (OP)
Tons. I roll the dice on sketchy guns all the time and I expect very little out of them. But occasionally I'll get something nicer and get burned as well, for instance an NIB ITM AT84S that absolutely did not work at all. Beautiful gun but for some reason I must have gotten the one lemon they ever made.
Ditto for a Benelli M1 Super 90 that needed trigger work and Benelli lost it. Took months to get it back and they charged a fortune for a botched repair.
Worst was probably a Marlin Camp 9. It was talked up a lot, but a real dogshit design with a horrible trigger and a receiver that will crack if the recoil buffer fails or if you run anything hotter than 115gr standard loads.
>>63845467
>>63845513
I love M14s but they really don't make sense at the prices they cost nowadays.

They aren't precision rifles. They are old school battle rifles that can be made accurate enough to work as a DMR but so much goes into doing that where it really doesn't make sense to even try.
I've owned several and most shot well enough to enjoy with just surplus ball ammo but the newer Springfield M1A was just plain horrible. Couldn't hit anything with it at any range.

Older guns made with surplus parts run great and can usually do at least 2 MOA with heavier match ammunition. Not impressive by modern standards but great as far as cold war battle rifles go. Currently have an LRB but that's a $3000+ rifle so it's a hard sell.
I have had decent results with older M1As with USGI barrels. Who knows what the fuck they are doing now. Bula Defense is a good alternative.

>>63844206 (OP)
>be noguns
>finally buy first gun
>week passes
>Sig issues "Voluntary Upgrade"

Fucking P320. I still have it and didn't even bother to send it in. I'm not quite sure if people were recently saying it still fires despite the "fix" too? It's a fullsize so I don't carry it, but I'm thinking of just bringing it to a gun store and letting them rape me on the price just to get rid of it.

Never meet your heroes.

Had a genuine Russian made Izshmash AK74 and I still didn't like it. I stuck with it as my go-to rifle for 8 years, tried kitting it out different ways, etc. It wasn't 'bad', but in the end I found I just genuinely don't understand AK fans. I bought an AR and just preferred everything about it. Ended up selling the 74 and all accessories + ammo. No regrets at all.

>>63844244
Hot
>t. Boatfucker

>>63844206 (OP)
I bought a $2000 FN FAL like four years ago and I haven't shot it once, it's just in my closet collecting dust

This thing looks really cool, but man it sucked. At least it was cheap.

Shitty soft wood furniture that's falling apart. Might end up making my own stock for it, because I doubt a replacement one from the Brazilians is going to be any better.

>>63844206 (OP)
First pistol was a Hi Point. I wanted to start cheap and simple... it was too cheap and too simple. 175 dollars. I still have it, it works, but it can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.

>>63853357
I love mine. Still need to get a correct stock for it.

>>63848568
What happened? I've been eagerly waiting for the 7.62x39 drop they kept saying they're going to do, instead they discontinued and I think had a recall??

>>63844211
Gay gun
>>63844231
Gayer gun
>>63844277
Sad

>>63845467
Sad

Ruger mini 14. Bought it because I thought it was cool in PUBG, and over time I realized it was a less modular, less accurate, more expensive AR-15 with worse ergos and a more annoying disassembly process. Also the fact that it only took proprietary magazines pissed me the fuck off considering the only ones worth half a damn were the 60+ dollar ruger metal mags.
Sold it to my buddy's fudd dad after a few years because I realized I always reached for my AR when I went shooting instead of the mini and it was just collecting dust after maybe 500 rounds.

>>63844206 (OP)
Not a huge remorse because it's a good gun but I have a USP 9 I got at good price but sometimes I wish I would have just saved a bit more and gotten a 45 since I live in cuckafornia and am limited to 10 rounds anyway.

>>63854836
I had problems right from the go.
Fresh out of the box, my charging handle had terrible binding and the bolt wouldn't even rack all the way to the rear.
It was both the shit design of the charging handle/op rod itself, and the terrible design of the recoil spring setup. Instead of any of the better designs found in any number of other rifles that have attempted a similar bufferless setup, they went for a truly atrocious and cheap nested spring on a tiny guide rod inside the upper receiver. The coils get all bunches up and interfere with one another. Pair it with a poorly thought out charging handle and if everything doesn't work exactly so it can be literally impossible to charge.

I had to completely disassemble, clean, and re-lube everything then rack it about 200 times and strip+clean again before I could even get it to charge reliably.

I bought the 12.5" upper with the adjustable gas block from Rainier. First range trip, I only got about 15 rounds in before I started having malfs. Once they started, they didn't stop. Every round or every other round it would fail to eject, fail to feed, etc. Couldn't even get though a second mag before I gave up, because the charging handle and bolt started to bind again and it wouldn't even work if manually charged between shots.

So I opened a warranty claim and shipped it back, shipping cost was on me. I emailed back and forth with their customer service and they made me describe the problem 2-3 times even though I wrote everything in detail on the warranty form. I used their suggested magazines, good ammo, etc. They sent me a video of a shop employee putting a full mag through it without a stoppage, and shipped it back to me without apparently doing anything. Once I got it back, it charged easier, so they must have at least cleaned and lubed it again.

Second range trip went much the same as my first. As soon as the rifle got any fouling at all, about 15, rounds in, it started to choke. Same issues as before.

>>63854836
>>63854990
Obviously now I feel like I should have known better than to be an early adopter of an iffy AR based design by a literally who company but they were essentially endorsed by Brownells and had apparently had some success as an OEM so I was optimistic and punished accordingly.

I feel especially dumb for stamping it before I had put it through it's paces and realizing it was a piece of shit. If I had shot it as a pistol I would have realized it sucked and could have just flipped it, even at a loss I'd be happy to be rid of it. Now my only choices are to keep it, find some rube willing to do an NFA transfer, or buy a second 'pistol' lower and sell it that way, then just be stick with a lower I can't use for anything.

It's a good thing they discontinued them, but it's a travesty they ever sold them in the first place. There's 0% chance they could have done any actual testing and thought it was a good product ready for market. Fuck Foxtrot Mike and fuck me for even trying it. I'll forgive them if they buy it back at full price + $300 for the stamp and shipping costs. Anything less is an insult.

>>63848874
I'm with you on the PTRs, every one I've ever touched was a turd, with seemingly no solution other than sending it back to the factory.

>>63855059
>with seemingly no solution other than sending it back to the factory.
I skipped buying a PTR nearly a decade ago because every single person online said they sent theirs back to the factory. Many people multiple times.
Sad to see they haven't changed.
I guess it's either genuine H&K or bust.
Wonder if the DSAs are any better.

>>63848874
>>63855059
so are all g3s bad then or just the PTR's? i used to prefer the FAL and not like the g3 because of its looks, but after handling one for the first time i realized how unexpectedly small it was and i loved it, especially the handguard

>>63855105
>>63855115
>so are all g3s bad then or just the PTR's?
All the PTRs I've handled. There are (allegedly) good PTRs, and (allegedly) good G3s, but I have yet to shoot one. Maybe they just fall to pieces in my hands or maybe I'm just unlucky. They do suppress better than a lot of other 7.62x51 rifles.
>Wonder if the DSAs are any better.
All of the DSA FALs I've sold seemed to be really successful. Have had no issues with them. The STG58 seemed to be better put together than most FALs tho, so YMMV.

Not sure if its regret, or just lack of experience. Only got into guns a year or two ago, wanted to shoot decent ranges and have a jack of all trades type deal, considered M1A, heard awful reviews, friend convinced me AR-10 was better for parts/accessories, etc. and that has been true, but Im finding that I like the long range aspect, not the 14.5lb rifle part. Ive never held or used a proper PRS or even a nice bolt action before but while I have sentimental attachment to my rifle It’s hard to want to bring it shooting. It was super expensive (criterion barrel, triggertech trigger, etc.)so I'm not about to buy another long range gun without selling this, but I’m not sure I want to part with it

>>63855247
what about the cetmes on the market?

>>63854573
It's got a thousand little leaf springs and if one of them loses any tension the gun disassembles itself when you fire it

>>63855115
It's a dogshit platform honestly
Most G3 defenders on here are just coping poorfags. It's the cheapest .308.

>just upgrade the extractor and it will run
>just use bx mags and it will run
>just use federal and it will run
>just use cci and it will run
>just use 40gr and it will run
>just use copper nose and it will run
it did in fact not run

>>63855281
>>63855523
They're okay, but, you know, they're still G3's. It's too long and the charging handle is too far forward, HK reloading process is fucking stupid, rollers make the gun way heavier than any other rifle that size, it's not particularly accurate, and it's not particularly comfortable to shoot.
Those CETME L's are fun, it's a G3 without most of the stupid shit I hate about the G3. Kinda expensive though, and way too heavy for a 5.56 rifle.

>>63855523
>g3 for various reasons just sucks
>FAL is great but its accuracy is worse than a cheap ar15 you can get nearly anywhere
>the m14 is a fucking joke of a gun
honestly is .308 just a dead caliber at this point
i cant think of any service rifle in .308 that doesnt just suck in some way or another
as much i want to love it, it feels like its only place is in light machine guns and hunting rifles
>>63855533
semi auto 22s just really suck in general, my 10/22 runs like ass and stovepipes every few rounds, and theres like maybe one or two brands for mags that actually work
on a side note, i really want a pan fed 22 with a super safety that performs like the 180

>>63844206 (OP)
$399 rock island 1911

Build quality was shit, if I just spent a few hundred more I could have bought a 2011 or a kimber

>>63855608
.308's are actually not bad now, you got your AR10s and your SCARs and your Tavors and your RFB and that Zastava M77 in .308
If you want a good .308, just take an intermediate-cartridge rifle and make it a little bigger

I have a Springfield 1911 that is so shit and jams so much that I had to replace the slide with a MechTech upper just so I could fire the goddamn thing

>>63855910
what we really need is more battle rifles in 7.62x54r
way cheaper than .308

I've had lots of guns over the years and as I've gotten older my taste has improved. Here are my regrets;

>Chinese SKS
Biggest fucking piece of shit gun ever. Atrocious trigger, build quality and generally just unreliable. Yes, I probably got a bad one but there is no reason to lust after one of these. I got completely had by innawoods memes

>black aces 12g semi auto
Fit and finish was just fucking ass. Totally unreliable. I got lucky with am HR Pardner Pump that just chugs through the worst quality 12g and me and my buddies would beat the shit out of it for fun. Thought this would be the same, nope. Hardly cycles. Looked and shot like dogshit. Fuck turk shotguns. (Their mp5s are good)

>Cz scorpion
Literally just an mp5 at home. Got a tan one for 700$ and it was just pure cope to not spend the cash on an mp5 clone. Eventually sold it, an unremarkable, harsh shooting and rattly gun.

>>63855917
Fun fact the guy who started the mech tech company used to post here alot

>>63844206 (OP)
The colossal hunk of dogshit known as the Century VZ.2008. Overgassed to the moon, shit springs in every single part of the gun, bore diameter not even correct to the cartridge it’s chambered in, the fit and finish was fine but it was just such a half-assed overall execution. I wasted so much time and money chasing problems and eventually sold it for a Zastava M70 to join my Saigas and didn’t look back. If I get another VZ.58 it’ll be a CSA or D-Technik.
>>63848874
>>63855059
>>63855105
>>63855247
>>63855523
>>63855567
I have zero idea how you guys or anyone else on the internet seems to have so many problems out of PTR-91s. Mine hasn’t failed on me once and the only “issue” I had to rectify out of the box was slapping on an HK21 buttpad to get more length of pull since I’m 6’4” and the hump in the stock was right on my face.

- Kar98k. Was fun while it lasted. Ammo became a problem, not investment grade so sold it.
- Finnish M39. Soviet Lightball produced POI way off POA. Not interested in buying Lapua heavy ball.
- Enfield No4. Mk1. Overengineered for what it is
- DDM4A1. Outclassed by my superduty.
- KAC SR15 Mod 0. Looks cool, but the cerakote was ass. Sold for a cool x2.5 profit
- Brownells Retro E1. Good receiver. OK barrel at best. Absolute garbage furniture. Sold for 1.5x the cost to some boomer in a gunbroker bidding war
- DSA SA58 Traditional Rifle. Everything was ok except that the stock tang would not accept South African long stocks. Didn't feel like bubbaing it or the stock so I sold it. Not accurate enough for me to care about it. Gets real hot real quick. Looked cool though.

Turns out I only like 1911s, 2011s, Glocks and ARs (15 and 10).

>>63844206 (OP)
Saiga 308 for 1.5k during the wu flu
I only regret it because I wish I had gotten a Vepr instead and we were worried about a nationwide semiauto ban. Instead we just got a WA-state AWB.
Still regret it but whatever, at least other people say it looks cool.
Not mine but mine looks similar enough.

>>63848568
>Foxtrot Mike FM102
Shame to hear that because your rifle looks fuckin cool

>>63848874
>>63851985
>>63852026
Ironically, my WASR is the "best" gun in my entire collection. Best as in whatever the opposite of Buyer's Remorse. Love this thing.

>>63855974
my vz2008 is excellent, springs are strong, accuracy is good, groove diameter near the muzzle that i can tell from a pair of calipers is 7.8mm, front sight post is very slightly canted to the left but not so much that drifting the sight post doesnt fix it, i've kept it stock standard from the factory except for the addition of a surplus compensator and love it
and i dont know how bad your overgassing is but i personally like the choppy thunking of the bolt as it slides back and forth and sending brass into orbit, and it keeps the fire rate high for if someone were to ever design an FRT for it
maybe it'd be bad if you put a suppressor on it and cause even more overgassing or have a folding stock that bruises up your jaw from the recoil

>>63856064
Maybe I just got unlucky or something. Who knows. It was so overgassed that I was getting my shit rocked every time I shot it, and I’m not a pussy when it comes to recoil. It was intermittently ripping rims off of Brown Bear, Wolf, TulAmmo, PPU, any 7.62x39 I put through it. My bore diameter was .308 compared to 7.62x39’s .311 but I don’t think that had anything to do with the issues I was having since the pressure increase from that would be minimal, if any at all.

I really, really like the VZ.58 platform though. I’ll definitely look at getting another one sometime when I’ve got the coin.

>>63856059
Likewise. My WASR10 has been a fantastic rifle. Sure it has it's issues (3ish MOA, cheap furniture, less than optimal trigger) but nothing that I couldn't live with or fix on my own. I love that rifle, I've taken it all over the states, I've taken it hunting, I've managed to consistently hit man sized targets at 300 yards... honestly, if the barrel ever wears out, I'll pay to have it replaced and rebuilt. It's a good little gun and I love it.

>>63856084
yea wtf thats way too overgassed
my reccomendation is if you get a vz2008 again get a later production one since its mostly the earlier made ones that have these issues, CSA is gonna be the more surefire gun atleast but if i've atleast done a proper inspection and overlook of a vz2008 before buying and it seems fine i'd take it instead for its price

>>63855608
Are you using Federal 40gr in that 10/22? Because that shit stovepipes like a motherfucker in my 10/22 and Ruger MK I, maybe even a vintage 22 I own IIRC. Ironically I now use dirty Aguila and it's much more reliable. And now I even shoot it silenced, although it runs twice as dirty now. BX-15s need to be cleaned out after a couple range trips. PS: check that your extractor can move snag-free; if it doesn't then some dumbass screwed up the deburr process. I have a bone stock 10/22 that runs well. I also have the silenced one with a new stock, Volquartsen extractor, and Volquartsen target hammer which I use for small game.

>bought early ptr 91 gi
>NO PADDLE MAG RELEASE (idfk how my dumbass self thought this was at all acceptable)
Fun fact, like 2 weeks after I received mine they started selling them with the paddle release, because fuck me I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>999.99 2013/14 still somewhat worth the paper they're printed on dollarydoos
>Also picked up like 50 surplus steel and aluminum mags when they were like 2 bucks each
>Double feeds and fail to feeds
>Double feeds and fail to feeds everywhere
>BECAUSE NO FUCKING NO ANTI TILT FOLLOWERS
>On the ~1 in 3 chance the round would actually feed and load, there was an additional 50/50 if it would get stuck in the chamber
>Like stuck stuck
>Like you'd have to wrench open the lever, kick it like you're kick starting a 2 stroke, then rod out the case with a steel rod and hammer stuck
>Oh boy isn't this fucking fun
>Finally had enough and traded the piece of shit for a really nice generator and some cash
>Considered buying a ca3 when they were only 650 toilet paper squares a few weeks ago
>Upon doing some research it turns out they're made by ptr
>Hahahahahaaha nope, close tab

>>63855965
If the SKS was a commercial "made by Norinco" import then it may be the refinish. Oddly I never had a jam shooting any SKS but the trigger on the new condition ones are horrible. They were known to scrub and re-use old receivers so I wouldn't be surprised if the trigger groups were refinished without taking them apart leaving godawful finishes on the moving surfaces. I've handled one that was just about new in box with a trigger so bad that you could pull the trigger halfway, let go, the trigger would go back forward, but the resistance in the trigger pull would start right where you let off. The sear surface was THAT rough.

>>63856059
I like my WASR; I just need to get the time and money to get it "fixed" (ie. get it in a state where it doesn't feel like someone is punching me in the shoulder with brass knuckles each shot). Then I'll enjoy shooting it despite the state of 7.62x39 ammo prices. I even have an old PSO/POSP on it. Though now I need a buttpad since it mounts so far back lol.

>>63856295
i'm pretty sure its a mag issue, i got one of those cheap shitty plastic ones and the spring sucks, but i'll check out some better ammo and look at my extractor

>>63848735
Kek same. It’s unironically a fun gun and shoots great. Has had the least jams of all my guns. But the slide sounds like it’s sliding over sand, even when it was new out of the box. But for the price I can’t complain. The CC version looks cool at least.

>>63855533
Genuinely the only person I have ever seen that actually owns a fucking "raspberry" colored BX-25. I used to see them online in searches but always just a product listing.

>>63856432
Oh god, yeah, get a BX-15 and see. Some of the aftemarket mags are total trash. Though the choice to use constant force roller springs in the BX mags isn't too far behind in the range of retarded 10/22 mag design choices; it seems like no one makes a perfect mag, but the BX-15s run well enough if you keep them clean. Also as for your other comment, the best you'll probably get is a drum mag for the 10/22 and a binary trigger. And those drums are rather finnicky IIRC.

>>63859997
i mean, i would prefer a newly designed gun to fit with an FRT and a pan mag
almost makes me want to go and design it myself

im glad i only got the mini14 and regret it as i was considering an m1a, and i wouldve regretted it a whole lot more.

SVT-40
>bought over 10 years ago
>have never bought 7.62x54r
>never shot it
I blame COD 2

>>63860814
that just sounds like your fault, 7.62x54r is still as cheap as .308 and it was even cheaper 10 years ago
blame yourself, not the gun

>>63860836
It was really cheap 20 years ago.

>>63860853
don't remind me

My regret was a ruger single six. Couldn't hit nothing with it. It was just a noise maker.
Couple years later convinced myself I got a bad one and tried again. Nope, same results. Noise maker that's a real asshole to loud/unload.
Never again. Sold the first one, traded the second one for a ruger mini 14.
The disappointment was louder with shittier accuracy.

>>63860957
Literally the only person I've ever heard have anything bad to say about a Single Six. Sure it wasn't the Wrangler? There were problems with that one. But I've never heard anything bad about the Single Six. I can hit center mass of a man sized target at 100 yards with mine. If you really couldn't hit shit with a Single Six; two of them even, then I'd say the problem is you, not the gun.

>>63862671
This. I LOVE my wrangler, but I can barely hit shit with it.

>>63844231
>Canik
>SIG clone
It's a PPQ clone anon...

>>63844206 (OP)
>just had a g3 come in on Saturday (CAI C3, PTR receiver with Portuguese everything else)
>played with the charging handle for the past few days
>it keeps getting stuck
>my hand is sore from it
>find this thread
>50% of the posts are people regretting getting a G3
Lmfao what am I in for.....

>>63845530
>You can do a super fun solid 1000yd tikka t3x setup for like $1200
>Bolt action
KYS poorfag fudd

>>63863298
its a neat gun, i think that despite its issues you'll like it if you can tough out the quirks
and i think literally anything is better than getting an m14, which people seem to despise far more than the g3 yet boomers swear by the gun anyways
what matters is that YOU have fun

>>63844206 (OP)
No

>>63844206 (OP)
No.
>Vepr-FM in .308, paid 750 now goes for over 7K unfired (but I used it for feral pigs and the barrel is shot out and the rifle is retired because I can’t get a new barrel)
>SGL-21, banned, paid like 800(?) now goes for a fuckload more even shot to hell
>Tanfoglio stock, now goes for like 400 more
>various ARs, bought them one piece at a time, some pieces aren’t sold to civilians anymore, some pieces aren’t sold at all
I’ve done very well.

The only gun that disappointed me was a PSL I bought in 2018. Only because the integrated scope rail was out of spec, and I didn't try hard enough to find a guy to fix it up. Actually, now that I think about it, I also did buy a bulgarian AK74 kit build that was assembled with screws and not rivets. I knew to avoid screws, but for some reason my dumb ass didn't notice the screws until later.

Other than that, I only regret selling guns.

I’ve since found a scarce missing part on a poo enfield to complete it and, despite it deepthroating my NOGO gauge, I now no longer regret it.

>>63862671
First one was a fixed sight, second was a adjustable sight
I'll never say I'm a expert shot, but ive never experienced such poor accuracy with my other pistols.
Maybe cylinder timing was off on them, or something I was doing.

>>63844206 (OP)
>buyer's remorse
No. Only from selling them.

>>63848874
I never could get my CETME to behave. Basically it'd cycle one round, then fail to grab the next one. Got an AR-10 and never looked back

Diamondback AR10 in .308 with a 16" barrel. I got it when I was new-ish to guns and I wasn't sure what I liked in an AR pattern rifle. I just wanted to get into the battle rifle game.
>stupidly overgassed
>it doesn't eject shell casings; it YEETS them out at a 1 o'clock position.
>legit painful to shoot. It hurts after 3-4 magazines. My shoulder still feels sore 2 to 3 days after shooting it.
>Recoil is far worse than shooting slugs out of a shotgun
>I thought I was being a pussy. No, it really is that bad.
>I am scared to mount a optic on it and keep it on there because it WILL break it.
>I'm not quite sure how to fix it because of AR10 parts faggotry. Yes, I saved the AR10 style guide. No, it is not as helpful as you would think.
>Still super accurate
>Still feel like I am Master Chief from Halo when I shoot it.
>Other than the insane recoil, it is a good gun.

It taught me that a 20" barrel, a rifle length gas system, a rifle length buffer, and an adjustable gas block are a MUST have on a .308 AR. I am legit considering selling it and getting something that has everything I want out of the box. AR10s are a ton of fun, but I don't think this particular one is the right one for me.

M&P 15-22
>plastic .22 AR
>feels cheap
>feels more like an airsoft gun than a real firearm.
>kinda inaccurate. I had a bitch of a time sighting it in.
>expensive for what it is.
>it's more of a magdump into trash kind of gun than a precision rifle.
>Did I mention it is made out of plastic and it is overpriced?
>Did I mention it is inaccurate? It is like the real life version of one of the Fallout 3 guns. Cool in a video game, not so cool when you are trying to hit something from more than 50 yards away.
>Very reliable though.
>Magazines are nice. Probably the best thing about the gun.

I should have gone with a Tippman M4-22.

They are not horrible guns. They are just meh. I have had good luck with cheapshit guns otherwise.

>>63863346
>KYS poorfag fudd
Hope you give up that HRT someday son and try just doing some exercise and self-improvement instead.

>>63852627
Autism

>>63862721
Fuck I had a retard moment, you're right anon, my bad

>>63844206 (OP)
for me it was the rock island armory 1911 9mm. things a piece of fucking shit, feeds like ass, shoots okay i guess when it does but i literally never range day it anymore. so sick of sitting there finagling, unjamming, and otherwise putting up with its bullshit. ive shot every brand of 9mm available to me through it and it never fails to be a fucking chunk of ass. i should have just spent the extra 300$ on a magnum research.

>>63872110
whats the point of getting a boomer stick if its not gonna be in .45 anyways
thats like taking the only good thing away from the gun

>>63872146
i really have no excuse, i thought it was neato when i looked into it and didnt really care what it was chambered in, just wanted to own a 1911. sometimes you learn these lessons the hard way i suppose.

>>63852627
14 years old or a fucking retard noguns, which is it?

>>63855996
>Enfield No4. Mk1.
I just sold mine because I decided the SMLE is better in almost every way. Way lighter, thinner and more comfortable wrist, sexier, and frankly I didn't care for the giant ghost ring on the No 4.

>>63844206 (OP)
>bought my wife a 5.7
I will never financially recover

>>63844206 (OP)
Px4 in .40. Never had any issues with my 9mm. The .40 consistently fails to go into battery, usually after the 150rd mark, needing a tap on the rear of the slide to help it go home. Beretta opened a ticket for me, sent me a mailing slip for warranty work, and then closed it as I was driving it to the drop-off. Lucky I saw the email and didn't just mail my gun into the fucking ether

>>63872110
I was wondering if I made a bad move not getting that gun. Thank God I didn't get it

I bought a pedersoli navy repro on impulse and when I got home I saw that they had never cleaned the cylinder and it was rusted to fuck. I could get a new one but I felt real stupid

>>63873886
you should strip the whole finish and give it a nice rust bluing

>>63844206 (OP)
got a k43 and the first time I took it shooting the firing pin housing sheared in half at the backend. I ended up having to send it to apfeltor to get it fixed. I basically keep it on my gun rack while I figure out how to get a proper reproduction stock since the one I bought with it is complete crap and was warping the gun so hard you couldn't mount a scope on the rail.

still an awesome gun mechanically

>>63873886
>>63873997
You can easily strip rust (including bluing!) with some homemade evaporust. Citric acid (Walmart canning aisle) about $6-8, washing soda (NOT baking, but can substitute) about $6-8, Dawn dish soap. There's some good videos on Youtube on how to make it as well as Backyard Ballistics IIRC. Works good.