Thread 63846683

>AF is useless
>AD is useless
>Navy is useless
>IRGC ground forces are useless (see: fall of Assad)
>drones are useless
>EW is useless
>Intel is useless
This whole war has demonstrated that they have nothing besides ballistic missiles, and even those are only able to kill handfuls of random civilians when launched in volleys of hundreds at a time

>>63846683 (OP)
Pretty much, yeah. Such is the case with face saving cultures like russia, china, arabs, street shitters etc

the more interesting question is what they could've done better considering their resources and goals.

>>63846683 (OP)
They are Arabs, what did you expect? Competence?

>>63846683 (OP)
Yeah, we knew this already. The alarmist crowd screaming WW3 for years is, and always has been, retarded. Iran is your typical ME povertycore military; completely incapable of resisting any first world military for longer than a day.

>>63846688
Shoot first without warning.
>>63846683 (OP)
>BM useless
They hit some airfields and the mossad thing.

>>63846683 (OP)
>in volleys of hundreds
they wish
The peak was the first wave of 100, which was also the most "successful". Everything after that has been sub-50, with the last one being 40.
If Iran were actually capable of launching ~750 MRBMs at once (ie their MRBM stockpile) then they likely would have done some real damage.

Didn't happen, and now can't happen.

>>63846691
>OMG WW3
Except the russians are too busy to show up, the Norks are too busy trading ammo from the Kruschev era for Russian gold reserves and technology to show up, the Chinese don't want to show up, and Iran lost air superiority in the first 24 hours. Yeah those people are stupid. They're also the ones that drink the kool-aid about super secret russian armies, chink wunderwaffe, and how the US is actually super weak and should return to isolation.

>>63846683 (OP)

Reminder that the Taliban successfully invaded Iran for a few hours back in 2023

>>63846697
And that's going to stop the bombing how, exactly?

>>63846697
No evidence they’ve inflicted any military damage on Israel. So far just some dead civilians and a fire at an oil refinery due to be closed by 2030 already

>>63846710
>>63846691
Russia, China and the Arab world right now.

>>63846737
kek

>>63846716
That border checkpoint scuffle thing...what ever happened there?

>>63846710
Russia abandoned Armenia for less. They would have never helped Iran even if they had nothing better to do.

>>63846737
>the Arab world
Doesn't everyone except Qatar hate them?

>>63846737

Why would the Arab world die for Iran to start with? They have a racially-ingrained hatred of Iranians stretching back millennia. Israel and Iran have been on bad terms for ~40 years.

>>63846688
They skim billions every year on wundewaffen weapons that fail. Russian, China are the same way. The issue they are now facing is a civil war. The country is 5 meals from a revolution normally. If the Israelis hit those ports a civil war will happen

>>63846683 (OP)
>IRGC ground forces are useless
That's a political army, their use case is killing normie civilians. Just like FSB and Rosgvardia in russia.

>>63846688
Normalizing relationships with Israel and cutting funding for their proxies (which folded like wet tissue paper at the sightless push) and divert all that money into civil infrastructure and public works so their population hates them less.

>>63846683 (OP)
One would imagine that their internal security forces should be worth shit, but apparently you can just walk right into Tehran with a fucking rocket launcher and open up on government buildings.

The Regime's fully dressed in the Emperor's new clothes.

>>63846683 (OP)
what is their army and navy going to even do, theres like 1,000 miles between iran and israel. neither country can afford or sustain and kind of actual invasion. theyre just going to sling shit at each other over iraq until bibi feels like he won something

>>63846788
Speaking of Army. What the fuck is the regular Iranian Army even doing? I've heard fuck nothing from them since the war started. I can't tell of they're working on a coup or just really fucking lazy.

>>63846690
>They are Arabs

>>63846763
Decent portion of Iraq like them, or at least are neutral to them.
But mostly yeah, sunnis hate shia's more then they hate jews.

>>63846717
negative jews the first moves would have drasticaly reduced their attacks on the Sam sites forced them to rush it and could have even destroyed a few planes on the ground.
The us startes bombing the houthis and it still lost so there is that

>>63846801
>Brown
>Hate Israel and the West
>Incompetent in all facets or warfare
>No personal initiative
>Tribalistic
>Face saving culture
>Corrupt
>Cartoonishly amoral
>Wear towels on their heads
>Engage in / finance international terrorism
>Mistreat women
>Oil export based economy
>Worship a pedophile
>Believe in supernatural hullabaloo
>Garbage soviet kit / domestic variant of garbage soviet kit
>Despotic autocratic regime
>Fuck goats
They fulfill all the necessary criteria.

>>63846683 (OP)
So Iran surrendered right?

>>63846799
what do you want them to do?

>>63846803
>Decent portion of Iraq like them
Only the swamp gremlins around Basra, because they are Shia too, otherwise not really.

>>63846818
Ask their top sorcerer to beg the djinn for help. That always works.

>>63846683 (OP)
You're not wrong. They're just another Iraq. Now go have a look at who controls the Iraqi oil fields.

>>63846811
>incoherent pol babble
Sorry about the irgc tv station i guess? Is that what the current meltie is about?

>63846815
Ah, I see. Bait!

>>63846846
>sent from inside his goat

>>63846801
I'm choosing to imagine that all the people calling them arabs are just doing it because they don't like it

I wonder if the casualty numbers Jews are reporting are true. I'm not saying Iran is somehow more able than this shitshow, but I also don't think Israelis are particularly first world nation either, as shown during the initial shock and awe after Palestinians attacked them.
I suspect they have a lot more casualties, and I suspect we may never know the real numbers.

>>63846855
The persians died out in the first jihad that established the caliphate. At best they have a drop of persian in them but theyre arab rape babies.

>>63846811
> The us startes bombing the houthis and it still lost so there is that
Yes but because of T.A.C.O.

>>63846815

The difference is that the Persians actually had a history of greatness before Islam made them inbred and retarded. Arabs on the other hand have always been nomadic savages.

>>63846688
Going the Paki route and getting some J-10s and PL-15s to prevent Israeli 4th gen from utterly buttfucking them would have been a start. Without a nuke, digging ballistic missiles into the ground is the least cost-effective deterrence you can get. Between that and giving billions to their useless proxies who are all dead or in hiding, Iran utterly fucked itself.

>>63846688
Basically Solemani had the right idea. export the defense of Iran outside of its borders by propping up various shia and Iran affiliated groups. giving you plausible deniability and having useful retards take all of the heat instead.

>>63846683 (OP)
>This whole war has demonstrated that they have nothing besides ballistic missiles
Did people believed otherwise?
I thought this was common knowledge.

>>63846856
Guy I know with friends in Israel said a bunch of casualties were just people who didn't bother taking shelter because they thought Iranian missiles were worthless. The last chimpout being so one-sided in Israel's favor made people lazy.

>>63846801
They are closer to Arabs than they are to Persians now

>>63846683 (OP)
>they have nothing besides ballistic missiles

Oh, is that all...

>>63846898
A ballistic missile is not some wunderwaffe. It's a long range weapon. That's it. If it had nuclear warhead, then you going 'oh, is that all...' would be a worthwhile reply.

>>63846683 (OP)
They are fucking begging Trump to put Israel on the leash now. Trump. The leader of the Great Satan aka USA. This is beyond pathetic. Have some dignity ffs.

>>63846710
>the Norks are too busy trading ammo from the Kruschev era for Russian gold reserves and technology to show up

Apologize to the Dear Leader RIGHT NOW

>>63846683 (OP)
israel on suicide watch.
also no guns thread, take this trash to /pol.

>>63846918
Good luck getting any worthwile help from NK to Iran under current circumstances.

>>63846918
>WW3
Christ how many times has WW3 totally started bro in the last 30 years?

>>63846918
Whatever they're giving Iran won't get there on time by the current state of the conflict.

>>63846869
Being Ancient Greece's punching bag is not what I'd call a "history of greatness".

>>63846918
>people are pretending russia and china wont send constant shipments to iran
kek

Man, Egypt and Jordan must feel really stupid now, knowing that they decided to strike a deal with al yehudi instead of keep on trying to kick them out of the middle east.

>>63846918
Is Norktard around? Can we get a confirmation of this looney toons shit?

>>63846928
Russia has a border with Iran, wym?

>>63846818
Iran has 90 million people. Israel has 9 million people. I want Iran to mobilize and march 25 million footsoldiers across the desert like it's 500 BCE.

>>63846947
Every time they tried it only made Israel stronger. At least they had enough common sense to recognize that they suck at the whole warfare thing and decided to give up before they end like Syria and Iraq, which is the path Iran is speedrunning right now.

>>63846799
The non IRGC army is cucked on purpose cause the Mullahs didn't trust them. IRGC has all the power and toys.

>>63846967
>Just give some random guy a gun and military equipment and they'll be ready for war.
That doesn't work that well unless you're going for meat waves like a certain country that shall not be named is doing.

>>63846942
>implying that Russia can spare anything now that its tactical donkeys have entered the combat zone

>>63846941
Look, iranians are arabs and deserve the skies speaking hebrew BUT ancient persia was the rome of its day. Greece was the underdog in those fights until alexander came around. After rome become the superpower in the region, persia STILL gave them trouble all the way until mohammad came around and islam burnt persia to the fucking ground and pushed the romans out of the levant to constantinople.

>>63846967
Implying all 90 million want to go to war for a ruler who most hate. This is /pol/ levels of delusion

>>63846967
With no airforce or mobile air defenses for cover? Syria and Iraq might be fake countries with no borders but that doesn't change the fact the IAF would utterly annihilate them from the air well before they get to Israel.

I would not be posting a video from The Sun under normal circumstances, but this one is cool to watch - ballistic missiles seen from the cockpit of a plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cetBlTp69c

>>63846979
>meatwave
>25 million strong
YES. JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF OLD.

>>63846992
>With no airforce or mobile air defenses for cover?
NO. THEY SHALL ABIDE BY THE OLD WAYS.

>>63846942
Russia has more money (gold) than Iran and a better logistical route.
China is busy with a recession and doesn't need fuel THAT badly.

Sorry, but Iran has to make due with thoughts and prayers.

>>63846967
>25 million dead iranians before they get close to israel
lol, lmao even

>>63846772
They have been trying and failing to produce domestic F-5s for like, 40 years now. Tells you a lot about their MIC

>>63846911
Those motherfuckers coming in from space at Mach 6 are not to be scoffed at, some of the footage from people on the ground who filmed them exploding nearby clenched up my butthole, but destroying an apartment building in a country with millions of people is not much in the grand scheme of things. Israel's technology advantage and superiority in the air is a much better thing to have in this kind of war.

>>63846856
Israel is pretty anal about accurately reporting casualties. Every observer I talk to says their numbers often take time but are very accurate and transparent. Which makes sense, it's a small, at times insular society. People notice when someone goes missing.

>>63846967
I love how people view RL like a video game where your little city has a population of 10 million so you have 10 million troops! Give the 6 month old child a rifle! That 94 year old man with no legs one too!

>>63846965
russia would just take the weapons for themselves. they ain't getting mossad mad at them

>>63847021
I think this is accurate too. Israelis tend to know their neighbors a lot more too, cook for each other, things like that. It's not like the U.S. in that regard (outside of small towns).

>>63846967
99% of them would desert.

>>63846979
>>63846989
>>63846992
It appears mere mentiin of the ancient strategy strikes terror into the hearts of the tribes to the west, for they know none can stand against so great a host of warriors.

>>63847024
>Give the 6 month old child a rifle! That 94 year old man with no legs one too!
Are we going to pretend ragheads wouldn't? If they had enough small arms, that is.

>>63846967
>Iran has 90 million people
>20m are children
>35m are women

>>63846688
Not start an existential rivalry with Israel, obviously. Iran had no beef with Israel until the ayatollah. They don’t even share a fucking border. There was legitimately no reason for the regime to pick Israel as enemy #1, beyond stupid religious nonsense I guess.

>>63846988
The Persians had like two revival movements between being conquered by Steppe Chads. I think both of those revival movements were headed by Steppe Chads who had enough of the Semite making everything suck.

Something tells me this is what non-nuclear confrontation between Europe and russia would look like.

>>63847010
>>63847024
>>63847039
See: >>63847040

Your protestations betray your weakness, even as the vast sea of spears is rising in the East.

>>63846967
Good luck feeding them once Israel bombs their supply lines unopposed with their F-35s, F-15s and Iran's nonexistent AD.

>>63847044
>pic
Looks like a cool-ass dude. Tough as nails. Wouldn't mind having a having a drink with him.

>>63847078
Steppe chads are entirely different peoples from persia cucks tho, so i stand on my point

>>63846967
>Iranian kids stepping on mines like it's 1985

>>63847040
I mean like in Ancient Greece you'd only need 0.23% of the Persian force to hold them off. In this case, 583 soldiers, or probably the entire Israeli air force would be enough.

>>63847062
The ground will shake from the army approaching you, their bronze shields will appear as though 1000 Suns are rising, your pride and cities will crumble before them.

>>63847109
>>63847130
>>63847132
Yes! Yes! Mask your fear with incredulity! Drink wine in your petty palaces! Enjoy your lands as there are, for they shall not remain yours for long.

>>63847073
wrong.
Israel and Iran both see themselves as the MENA hegemon. sic US and China.

>>63846967
It's literally impossible for Iran to arm a random sampling of 25 million Iranians and not have them immediately lynch the supreme leader, ever IRGC member, and all their families.

>>63847195
Do you think the guys who can fly drones in the middle of Iran safely are afraid? Lol

>>63846792
>>63847073
no shit
my question was what the smartest route would've been under those extra hard circumstances.

>>63846929
In two more weeks the final countdown to the last 3rd world war will begin at sundown sometime in the two week period after that unspecified date has come to pass

>>63847245
I don't think they even have the arms at hand to supply them. Hell, it's arguable that even the Soviet Union couldn't do that, at least not without significant time to prepare. And Iran is definitely not the Soviet Union.

>>63846798
Iran is slinging shit. Israel is actively assassinating their top leadership.

>>63847262
Yes but even if they somehow convinced the djinn to magick up 25 million rifles also it would do is result in swift regime suicide.

>>63847245
>>63847252
AS IT WAS
SO IT SHALL BE

>>63847268
It's all they can realistically do, if we're being honest.
Just spam missiles and drones into Israel and hope the Iron Dome let some slip through.

>>63847304
If their guidance wasn’t total garbage they could get enough through to level high rises in tel aviv. But electronics hard I guess. And yeah Chinese fighters, BVR missiles, and an IR tracking network would help.

>>63847254
And all out assault, using their entire magazine and all their proxies simultaneously, all at one while trying to drag or coerce Syria and Iraq into it. Fire everything, every rocket, kamikaze every plane, use every ounce of explosives, every drone, fling literally fertilizer with fuses at it, explosive vests strapped to anyone that can walk. All of it, all at once. Dirty bombs, chemical and biological warfare, no holds barred. Specially dirty bombs. Make the area unlivable.

Then retreat into the mountains for the inevitable coalition retaliation and drag it out by fighting a guerrilla war for the next two decades.

>>63847327
kino

>>63847327
>drag or coerce Syria and Iraq into it

You do realize that HTS executed every Iranian they could get their hands on, right?

>>63847327
yes, pasdaran should have either hold hamas back or go all in. letting hamas, then hezbollah, then assad fall piece by piece was asinine.

>>63847350
you do realize the leader of HTS is called al-Julani and Israel is still illegally occupying Julan?

>>63847350
I'm sure they like Israel marginally less than Iran, considering they get bombed every odd day by them.

>>63847368
>>63847364
Israel is literally overflying these places with refueling planes to bomb iran

>>63846683 (OP)
>>Intel is useless
AMD is... not useless??

>>63847364
>illegally
The Golan heights are recognized by the U.S.A. as Israeli territory. The opinions of irrelevant and worthless organisations like the U.N. are that, irrelevant and worthless.

>>63847376
>Advanced Micro D...
My dick gained 133.17% in value.

>>63847364
>>63847368

I didn't mean to imply that HTS got along with Israel, but Israel wasn't instrumental in propping up the Assad government that HTS spent the last 12 years and countless lives fighting to overthrow. Iran was.

>>63847425
God, Hinkle disgusts me on a fundamental level, just like Warriortard. I'm glad we live in a world they despise and are powerless to change.

>>63846941
>Ancient Greece's punching bag
They spent most of the time btfoing the Greeks actually, then they spent hundreds of years btfoing the Romans.

>>63847384
as a result of the late unpleasantness, israel has de-facto annexed qunietra along with the rest of the east un cease fire zone effectively pushing the golan border 5 miles into post-syria, not to mention the new Druze protectorate though the extent of just where that is and if that shit will work out i dunno. the former UN buffer zone and mountain are hard occupied tho'. israel is digging in deep there.

>>63846688
Built out a nuclear arsenal.

>>63847353
>>63847327
they’re simultaneously too centralized and too independent. Oct 7th showed that Israel does have weak points that could’ve been exploited. But then the question is, what’s the endgame? They could never just delete the jews and make muh pure islamic theocracy in palestine, they would get nuked before that and they never had the power to do it anyways. Forcing a two-state solution with a cleaner hostage-taking operation might’ve been possible, but the mullahs want more than that. They dgaf really about the “palestinian nation.”

>>63846683 (OP)
It's insane how anyone thinks they even have a chance.

>>63846918
Handicapped kids hanging out together at the lunch table.

>>63846799
Trying really hard not to look like good targets.
>I dunno what's going on man I just wash trucks
>the gun? Protection from sand spiders
>the tank? Man we get some really big fucking sand spiders

>>63847658
Years on 4chan should have taught you to never underestimate thirdy stupidity.

>>63846967
A10 feeding ground.

>>63847658
It's mostly muzzies from around the world that think an AI picture of a downed F-35 is real and that Iran is winning.
You can't reason with them no matter how much you try.

>>63847658
They do have a loooooot of missiles. They suck though. And had shit C2 even before half their guys got schwacked

>>63847679
They have a couple of thousand missiles but people don't pay attention to the bottleneck: namely how many launchers they have. These are what Israel is often targeting.

>>63847679
Having missiles means nothing if you have no launchers left. Their salvos into Israel are down to like 40-50 missiles at this point.

>>63846979
that doesn't really work either unless taking a square kilometer for 3k casualties is "success"

>>63847688
Israel and the US already ran out of Arrow-3, THAAD and SM-3 interceptors tho. no exoatmospheric interceptions last night.

>>63847676
>AI picture of a downed F-35
huh? did i miss somethong?

>>63847742
I am sure you will provide a source.

>>63846683 (OP)
>IRGC
fun fact, that acronym is Ukrainian is KVIR - yes, queer

>>63847780
whats the full name

>>63847766
Yes

>>63847796
Korpus Vartovykh Islamskoiy Revolyutsiyi

>>63846683 (OP)

Tactical ballistic missiles were proven strategically ineffective in WWIi, but for some reason no one read that memo

>Save us, USA!
holy kek
https://x.com/araghchi/status/1934626079676805542

>>63847918
God I hope they're dumb enough to turn down Trump's last chance. I want revenge for the Tomcat.

I never noticed how similar-at-a-glance the masjeed flag is with the poojeet flag

>>63847918
>iran didnt start the war
>we just want a nuke for uh reasons
also funny
>WE DIDNT WANT THIS WAR
meanwhile death to israel and usa is their pledge of allegiance
these people are as duplicitous as the israelis

>>63847940
>meanwhile death to israel and usa is their pledge of allegiance
is it really? I mean I would expect that desu.

>>63847918
so it over, huh? the mullahs regime falls apart in a week? i'm guessing there's gonna be a military coup(totally not by guys paid by the jews and/or americans for 10+ years) to remove Khamenei and the islamic guard for betraying the people of Iran and then push for a "deal". the next decade in Iran gonna be fucking brutal.

>>63846799
>>63846974
Iran is experiencing the sort of problem that other totalitarian regimes ran into. When you have competing armies, and intentionally favor one that is basically your police force over the actual army, you're gonna have a bad time. Iran has made their main military force (IRGC) politicized because that is its very nature.
Its no wonder they're incompetent and getting totally blown the fuck out in an actual hot conflict.

>>63847513
it was kind of a wash, on the roman side Ctesiphon was sacked 4 times but they managed to kill a roman emperor (every time a Shah called Shapur comes up, it's going to be a problem, and before they BTFO Crassus.
Koshrow also pulled the legs of Justinian I.
The (justified) spergout against Phokas ended both Persia and Rome's dominance in the levant tho. East Rome endured tho.

Overall, mad respect, I like them better than all the Arabs, Turks, Slavs, Germanics etc that came after.

t. Italian

>>63847992
>Create 2nd army.
>It’s a direct extension of the political class.
>Favor them over the regular army,
>Political army starts picking fights for ideological reasons.
>Win?

>>63847842
are you joking? They’ve been extremely effective on both sides of Ukr-Rus

>>63847828
Lol gottem

>>63848155
Kek

>>63846967
Getting Iraq and Syria or Jordan involved involved like that would be absolutely tasty. Teutoburg Forest Fourth Crusade tasty.

>>63847364

>illegally

Vae victis, sucks to suck.

>>63847304
They could always have some of their diplomats make a fuss in the UN.

>>63848553
kek

>>63847766
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63823338/#63828253

>>63847940
>we just want a nuke for uh reasons
NK, Israel and Ukraine has shown that the only real guarantee against other powers a nation can have is nukes. As much as I would like the sandniggers to get wiped off the face of the earth, them trying to get nukes is actually pretty rational. Now trying to get one while antagonizing both the biggest player in the region and the biggest player on the planet, now that's retarded.

>>63848823
Russia has no nukes and at least the smart people know it and it doesn't matter.

>>63846697

> Shoot first without warning.

Yea, they even pussy-out when Hezbollah got involved. They should have gone all in, like Hamas wanted, and attack Israel all at once to overwhelm them, like they are trying to do now.

They would have still lost, but they would have done much more damage.

>>63846877
Yeah except that's exactly what they did and they all died, leaving Iran suddenly the only target left with a lot of very pissed off neighbors

>>63846792

This would have been super smart. Not something you can ever expect from the Ayatollahs.

>>63846898
Wow how amazing that their response to having their entire AD network disabled and their capital bombed at will is...uh...

>checks notes

Spending a few million $ to kill a couple dozen civilians in response

Fantastic

>>63846967
Anon, look at a map and see where Israel and Iran are + how many nations are *between* the two

Was Kronii always this boring or is she getting worse?

>>63848127
is that why the war has been so quick and decisive?

>>63846688
Bide their time and not openly funnel billions to Hamas and Hezbollah, therefore denying Israel any connection between those proxies and Iran itself

>>63849045
/vt/fag...
Just go to tower already

>>63846688
If they had spent that money on improving their infrastructure and economy instead of useless missiles they could have afforded real weapons by now

>>63846688
>the more interesting question is what they could've done better considering their resources and goals.
Simple: they should've built out their civilian nuclear program with the IAEA overseeing everything and bought a ton of Chinkshit for their air force and other armed divisions.

Essentially, give themselves a 10-year head start becoming bootleg South Korea without the raft of international sanctions, such that the breakout time to becoming a nuclear power could be achieved in 12-24 months with the rest of the infrastructure they needed already in place.

MENA in general seems to be perpetually cursed with actors that try to exercise strategic patience but get critical assumptions wrong and turn their patience into a crippling liability. Arafat refusing to de jure give up on the Palestinian Right of Return to Israel proper at Camp David screwing the PLO out of a chance of getting to Gaza-fy the West Bank for 20 years and hold Gush Dan perpetually hostage to the threat of mortar attacks comes to mind.

apparently the game was rigged from the start The Mossad made a base within Iran, and has been happily bombing them from within their own country. Thats hilarious

>>63847842
Comparing V2s that were used for bombing random cities is very different to a TBM being called in to destroy air defense assets or large gatherings of infantry/soft skinned targets. Iran's problem is that they tried to carpet bomb Israeli cities without the launcher capability to fire off enough of them to overwhelm the Arrow and David's Sling launchers. Given this, they should've focused their strikes on a smaller number of targets and used more missiles per target

>>63846688
Set a realistic goal before aiming to achieve it. They were never going to wipe Israel out in it's entirety, yet that seems to have been the only objective they were gunning for.

>>63847993
>Overall, mad respect
Same. They’ve brought this shit on themselves but I can’t help but feel bad for the people. Persia is too culturally and historically rich to be shackled to that stupid towel-head religion.

>>63846691
Thirdie here, I think firstoids severely overrestimate the effectiveness of airpower without boots on the ground and dont know how tough a land operation in a poor mountainous country can be.
Disrupting Iran's nuclear program vs invading and replacing the regime are very different operations.

>>63846683 (OP)
Their entire strategy at this point has to be to get nukes then use them to have everyone else back off so they can rebuild

>G7 joint statement: Iran can never possess a nuclear weapon
Interesting

>>63846878
>Did people believed otherwise?
>I thought this was common knowledge.
There has been years of shilling from the various anti-American Russian/Arab/thirdie/etc. nut-huggers about how Iran is a modern military with modern weapons who is prepared for war with the US and anyone who thinks it would be a curb stomp like OIF is badly mistaken.

I mean, in light of recent events they were sort of right - it wouldn't be like OIF, it would be like Desert Storm.

>>63846801
>>63846815
>>63846869
It does seem that they've been somewhat Arabized, at least culturally.
They scream
>allahu akbar
when emotional, like in that video after the TV station got bombed on monday.
Also their rates of cousin marriage are almost 40%.
Can't find the paper, but supposedly it was much lower before the Islamic conquest.

>>63849033
Anon, see:
>>63847145
>>63847195
>>63847301
...and see with thine eyes the endless wisdom of Ahura Mazda as bestowed upon our King and sages.

>>63850046
>get nukes then use them to have everyone else back off
By use them, do you mean detonate?
Seems like a great way to get glassed.

>>63846683 (OP)
At this point I embrace our Jewish masters so long as I can Pokémon a Farzi and Kurds et all

>>63846877
That's what they did though and look where it's gotten them

>>63846947
I don't think anyone's looking at Iran right now and going "boy, I wish that was me"

>>63846688
>the more interesting question is what they could've done better considering their resources and goals.

Prevented Israeli incursion into Syria and/or Turks. Not have assassination teams or attempts on Orange Man at all to get back for the Solemani hit, when it's an open secret he harbored Bin Laden in the early GWOT period.

>>63846967
>march 25 million footsoldiers across the desert like it's 500 BCE
Easy there, Herodotus

>>63850230
It's not surprising. Islam is an imperialist vehicle for arabization.

>>63846688
>the more interesting question is what they could've done better considering their resources and goals.
If you don't want to find out, don't fuck around.

>>63849025
>>63850280
The whole 'ring of fire' thing was a pretty serious threat. if they all acted in an even loosely coordinated fashion.
problem is, they never actually did. they let some sandal wearing brain damaged sunni retard yolo his way in a mass charge from Gaza. the only correct thing to do at that moment was to gang up on Israel from all sides. they didnt, instead Teheran sat silently watching as the IDF dismantled first Hamas, then turned on Hezbollah, then Syria fell.
The Houthis were more of a nuisance in the gulf and the only truely smart people around were the Iraqi PMCs who decided they would rather not get the Dahiyya treatment.
maybe they were banking on the fact that Israel wont do shit. after all, even a month before the war Israel was too scared to bomb a fucking Hezbollah tent that crossed the border by a few meters.

>>63847327
Congratulations, you have just brought the US into the conflict and it is over.

>>63847024
Well, we are talking about Iran here...
https://youtu.be/o3tHYGB7MVA?si=YvHNh4PMliywg1uf

>>63846942
What do you think can Russia send to Iran? I am just curious.

>>63849031
>a few million $
Yeah, per missile...

>>63846792
he said their goals though, their goals are the destruction of big and little satan

>>63849548
Mossad is what the communists think the CIA is. They've rigged entire countries to blow without anyone even noticing.

>>63850348
This is pretty reminiscent of the 1947 war, where the Arabs had absolute superiority on paper but the different factions kept daring one another to jump in first hoping they'd be weakened.

So the Jews, from start to finish, always had local force superiority and beat them one by one while the rest watched.

One difference here is that if Iran strikes too hard they might provoke a nuclear response. Their intention with Oct 7 was to provoke Israel to go crazy on the Palestinians and make a lot of martyrs to hopefully gain the world to their cause.

>>63850879
>Iran's intentions for Oct 7
They had none, that was Hamas acting on its own and because of that the leader of Hamas was killed hiding behind a couch in a bombed out apartment. Ironically the Houthis did more to help Hamas than Iran did after this war started.

>>63847001
Man take me back to Mesopotamia already.

>>63846754
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE? (seriously, what happened there?)

>>63846967
>send the meat waves for khorne
They already did this in the Iran-Iraq war

Oh boy they sure are gonna get a dickin' now.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1934989637207859317/photo/2

>3 U.S. Air Force KC-135s seen departing RAF Lakenheath in England earlier this morning, each towing 4 F-35A Lightning IIs heading towards the Middle East.

>>63852049
Meh, not much there desu, and i say this as an f35 stan

>>63852054
>f35stan
Formerly Iran

>>63852049
Call me when the B-2s get rolling.

>>63846965
No they don't. They can sail it over the Caspian Sea (not gonna happen) or go through azerbaijan. I don't know how much would be pilfered along the way, but i imagine a lot.

>>63852054
I'm sure it's just foreplay. If they're moving fucking F-35's from England they surely got heavier ass coming in from farther afield.

God damn Merz is taking no prisoners today.

>Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz spoke this morning with ZDF about the ongoing war between Israel and Iran, with him stating, “This is the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us. We are also victims of this regime. This mullah regime has brought death and destruction to the world,” adding that if Iran does not back down, it will mean the total destruction of its nuclear program, “which Israel cannot achieve alone — not without the United States.”

>“This is the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us."

>>63852181
hes gotta say pwease and tank u

>>63850002
>Thirdie here, I think
Let me stop you right there. Stop that. Your IQ dictates that you are incapable of doing so and reaching valid conclusions.

>those tingly feelings I get when I watch a rabid theocratic fascist shithole get dominated as its people celebrate inevitable end of its regime
Wait a minute...
A-am I a neocon now?

>>63852181
Yeah, but Taurus for Ukraine when?

>>63852283
Neocon is the only way. Accept thy fate brother.

>>63852283
>think the West should invest more in arming itself
>no longer believe that authoritarian shitholes can cure themselves without heavy (and most likely armed) outside influence
>hate radical leftists and nazi rightoids
>believe that Russia should be choked into submission
>believe that Iran bombing is the single best international thing to happen in the last couple of decades

On all levels except religious, I am a neocon.

>>63852283
>>63852367
>>63852410
they were right the whole time, we just didn't want to see it

>>63850002
>Disrupting Iran's nuclear program
Is the actual, primary goal behind the Israeli strikes and begging for US involvement against the hardened facilities (B2s with MOPs).

>invading
Was never seriously entertained

>replacing the regime

Could be a neat side-effect if the IRGC is sufficiently degraded

>>63852410
>>63852434
I find myself becoming more and more pro war after reviewing the demographics of gen z and gen alpha

>>63852410
>believe that Russia should be choked into submission
too bad neocons now want to choke on a zigger dick

>>63852451
31 and never been more neocon in my life. Bomb iran, build weapons factories, nuke china and russia.

>>63852469
America 1sters aren't exactly 'neocon', neocon's acknowledge that they are stuck on Earth with other shitty nations

>>63852469
It simply means that they aren't neocons. Trump's cult is a unique tumor in of itself. They are reactionary and will be down for anything that will make them look good in their bubble.

Being a neocon entrails a set of principles, including love for democracy, which those cunts clearly don't possess.

>>63852111
kek

>>63852496
>Trump's cult
>their bubble
Popular vote.
>Being a neocon entrails a set of principles, including love for democracy,
Thank God the neocons arrived in the 1980s. Prior to that we had no democracy or principles. Just a rudderless nation adrift in the current.

>>63852469
Maga isnt neocon lol

>>63852509
>Popular vote.
Trump's opponent was a literal senile retard succeeded by Hillary Zero.

>>63852509
found the MIGA cultist

>>63852509
Trump won because he wasnt kamala, not because maga. Magatards are a fucking blight and should be ditched like the scum they are.

>>63846683 (OP)
>are only able to kill handfuls of random civilians
good enough for me, fuck kikes

>>63852181
He's not wrong. I recall that Iran shat up social media and agitated "protestors" against my government in Sweden over "stealing muslim kids" some years ago, resulting on a riot specifically on Easter that humiliated the police. It was pretty much the final tip to dethrone the SocDem government. They still hire gangs and plot assassinations in countries all the time btw.
If you like law and order, Iran is a poison.

>>63852529
>>63852530
>>63852544
Seethe more Euros

>>63852509
>>63852663
Surely, a president who won due to his popularity, and not because of the sheer incompetence of his opponent, will have a good popularity rating. Right?

>>63852690
>the cope continues.

>>63852480
This but also nuke Mexico and California

>>63852663
I voted trump, but i will wholly support the dem that gets in after him trying every single cultist as traitors.

>>63852715
Weird, you're not American

>>63852703
>nuke my countrymen
no? mexicans are ok too, always bring beer to cookouts. If you've been so brainwashed to thinking killing your own is a good idea you are beyond saving, traitor.

>>63852480
This guy gets it.
t. 36 y/o

>>63852729
Mexicans are not my own and California is almost entirely Mexican. Nuke it.

Okay now tell me how Israel is going to win this because at the minute they're still trying to 'defeat' Hamas by using tanks on starving people standing in line for food.

>Strategic depth is holding
>Population is not rising up

>>63846688
Not waiting around for Israel to get to them like they're an unnamed henchman in a kung-fu movie

>>63852720
>see a REAL american would totally want to noooook his own people
I think you and that one chink owned dem rep are butt buddies separated at birth

>>63852765
Mere decades from now, your filthy kind will be remembered as being worse than the marxist hippies who actively tried to destroy the country.

>>63852791
Post guns.

>>63852771
>because at the minute they're still trying to 'defeat' Hamas by using tanks on starving people standing in line for food.
Then it sounds like they will win because a bunch of starving people have no shot against a fucking tank. Israeli total victory confirmed.

>>63852765
Yes, I'm sure this will look good in the treason trial.

>>63846918
Did people forget that Russia started this shit in 2014?

>>63852771
That sounds like they not only have won, but are now in the process of winning even more by directly annexing and cleansing the land. Not sure why you think this is "good" for Palis

>>63852794
>He says
>Talking about the majority of Americans

>>63852802
certain people did

>>63852817
>he doesn't care
>Thus he supports Russia
Negro Please.

>>63852796
>>63852810
>The purpose of warfare is to win a forever war

>>63852795
Sure, here's one I took last night for a similar brownie.

>>63852824
>no timestamp
You know the rules.

>>63852815
>majority of amaericans are maga
LMAO no, they just didn't want kamala. Trump would have lost to literally anyone else the dems put up.

>>63852819
>Thus he supports Russia
yes

>>63852827
>muh timestamp
Blow me, thirdie

>>63852831
>Wins popular vote for first time in a generation
>After being charged as a felon, after J6, after muh Russia
>And Senate
>And House
Uh huh. Keep huffing that copium.

why is this board so pro-israel?

>>63852855
>No timestamp
Non-American.

>>63852901
We hate losers and weaklings. Browns are losers and weaklings.

>>63852902
>nogunz
Disregarded saaaar

>>63852901
Floods of Muslims from Malaysia, bengledeshis Indonesians, pakis and Muslim diaspora tell ling every one in the west for decades they want them dead.
Israel is killing Muslims.
You do the math

>>63852916
>Can't post guns
>Saaar posting
Brown.

>>63852901
>why is this board against a theocratic shithole that promises to destroy the USA daily, and for a nation that acts as an American proxy for bombing them
Gee, I don't know, retard. Now tell us how it's wrong and how we should be cheering for Iran because jews are forcing you to enjoy tranny porn Clockwork Orange-style.

>>63852845
>Yes, I'm retarded
No dispute there. He, and most of America, increasingly does not care. Get over it.

>>63852901
what would the world lose if Iran simply cease to exist tomorrow? Nothing

>>63852888
>pendulum swung right
Oh no, surely that means more than disapproval of the previous admin lmao

>>63852819
>he doesn't care
Is that the reason he can't get Putin's cock out of his mouth?

>>63852934
>The cope continues
The assertion is that maga is a "cult". The fact that maga has a popular endorsement, by every measure, dispels this nonsense.

If you disagree with policy, fine, who cares. But "muh cult" makes you look like a seething loser.

>>63852930
Da cumrag, i, john smith of idaho also care not for those holol scum.

>>63852451
>>63852480
Neocons problem was they ignored social rot and let Democrats have the culture war. We need a domestic MAGA with the foreign policy of Rumsfeld to produce a true American Empire.

>>63852935
That's your subjective interpretation, not reality. Common problem with sub-wits.

>>63850940
Just like the first war, the Arabs were split in 4 different factions who had some tension between them and couldn't trust one another or coordinate.

>>63852576
Source ? I just learned that a nutty Moroccan Imam who was kicked out for promoting Jihad received his Belgian citizenship and is now back.

Quick update
About 20 hours ago I said Israelis are looking for someone high up
4 hours ago I said it's the top guys and Israeli found them then pulled assets
Trump just went public with the information because he's... A moron
Israel is targeting the top level guys tonight, the Iranian AA is pretty much gone. Ithe Iranian skies are filled up with hk grids.
Iran needs to step down before there is no leadership left.
Check my trip in the archives I use it sometimes.
To Iranian civilians stay the fuck inside, avoid bridges and the north west part of tehran. If they go full bore they will flatten north west Iran

>>63852959
>Trump parroting literal Z propaganda on a weekly basis means you're the half-wit!
Okay.

>>63852953
>Nooo you HAVE to care
No.

>>63852959
>Muh Empire.
Cringe and un-American. Neoconservitism and foreign adventurism has been a blight on post-war America. Not even advocating isolationism, just rejecting the fuck-fuck games we've been playing in pointless brush wars for 70 years.

>>63852971
Northwest Tehran*
Israel is now aiming for a regime change if this regime won't back down

>>63852954
Endless foreign wars seem like a good solution to our illegal immigrarion problem too. Instead of deportations they get shipped off to the sandbox.

>>63852975
>Trump parroting literal Z propaganda
In your opinion.

>>63852971
Iran should post another nuclear emoji on Twitter that'll get the Jews good.

>>63852979
They aren't because Iran's leadership is built wide not tall. It's like trying to regeim change the Catholic church.

>>63852976
>but we should nuke mexico and our countrymen
Fuck off, traitor, you are less than mexicans

>>63852984
I'm sorry reality doesn't conform to your delusions, anon. It must be hard for you.

>>63852990
Ngl Israeli and Iranian shitpost wars on X were not something I ever expected to see.

>>63852996
Fist, I didn't say that.
Second, you're not American.

>>63853003
>Nooo ur subjective
Yes, all humans perceive reality subjectively. Subwit.

>>63852982
We should unironically just go the castro route and dump migrants in Canada and tell them to handle it.

>>63852991
They've got them all pinpointed. It's about hk grid.

>>63852908
>>63852928
>>63852933
>>63852920
>thanks for helping us destablize another muslim country, goy!
>now go ahead and accept a million more refugees for us
imagine supporting neolib/neocon retard policies at a civilian level. cuck mentality

>>63853024
Everyone in the system is replaceable because it's quasi-democtatic in that the system self-elects and thus self-replicates. They would have to do precision strikes on like 4000 people to detail the system and even then it would be temporary.

>>63853021
>no gunz
>nuke america
>bUt YoUr NoT aMeRiCaN
Ok ivan lol

>>63853049
>>nuke america
For the second time: not me, retard. When you think 4chan is one person it's time to take a break.
>Nogunz
I asked you to post them like 30 min ago. Still waiting.

>>63853034
I mean they're not coming to MY country. I'm not sure why Britain gets a shit ton. Brexit?

>>63853021
>Solovyov calls Zelenski a dictator
>Trump calls Zelenski a dictator
>NooOoOooOo, that's just your subjective bias, you half-wit!!!1!

>>63852949
>maga has a popular endorsement, by every measure
That's just not reality lmao

>>63853066
>That's just not reality lmao
Popular vote. Senate. House. Cope.

>>63853065
please delete this

>>63853056
Oh i forgot, your schizoid ass doesnt think california is part of america. I posted mine, you post yours thirdie.

>>63853065
>You like dogs? Hitler liked dogs!

>>63853034
>I hate muslim immigrants!
>But I will also fervently pretend that muslims are not the reason I hate them, and proceed to shit out conspiracy theories about their enemies
Your delusions are on par with those of trannies. No wonder, since you sad shits come from the same demographic cesspool of autistic scrubs.

>>63853079
In spite of, not thanks to, maga saaaar

>>63853083
>your schizoid ass doesnt think california is part of america.
Again, not me. Are you illiterate?
>I posted mine
You posted someone's.

>>63852529
yes, and it was a brilliant play by the DNC! here's hoping 2028 is the year they get their heads out of their asses (they wont)

>>63853090
>this zigger propaganda is not zigger propaganda!

>>63853095
>The maga party isn't the maga party
This is a new cope.

>>63853090
>I can't tell the difference between political statements and private life choices
>you're the subwit though.

>>63853108
>It's propaganda!
Is it?

>>63853043
That's what they said about aq.
The top level leaders being wiped out cost the country 250-300 billion instantly. They are sitting on that much cash. Trillions will be lost. It's not America or Europe. Those top level mullahs have tens of billions.

>>63853119
yes

>>63853114
Russians say it to delegitimize Z. Trump said it to make Z play ball as at that time Z was fucking around.

>>63853105
I am not defending DNC. These faggots are the reason we have to deal with the orange scum. I do believe that they'll adjust, though. And hopefully Republicans will follow.

>>63853133
Russians are just trying to delay defeat at this point to give their market time. Putin can read excel like everyone else

>>63853092
>erm you hate muslims? then why don't you support israel hijacking your congress, stealing billions in tax dollars, and starting self-interested wars that end with your country being flooded with migrants?
how cucked do you have to be to see both sides of the establishment united in supporting one terrible policy and decide to pick that side as a generic civilian?

That's a pretty hyperbolic post senpai

>>63853133
So you just admitted Trump parrots Z propaganda? I accept your concession.

>>63853119
>soloyov isnt propoganda
The actual state of ivans

>>63853159
>So you just admitted.
Bot response

>>63853146
Sorry, Mr. Brown, but it seems that you're arguing under the assumption that I'm against what is happening to Iran right now, when in reality, it completely justifies sending money to Israel.

>>63853170
Bots can't taste your salt.

>>63853159
I don't know what's going on but Trump is semi senile. He's in and out. Sometimes he's there, sometimes he doesn't know his own name. His family is making most of the calls. But what would I know.

>>63852965
>Source ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_state-sponsored_kidnappings_of_Muslims_in_Sweden (supposedly done by "arabic speakers" but Iran later did shit like this
https://www.euronews.com/2024/09/24/sweden-says-iran-was-behind-thousands-of-text-messages-inciting-protests-over-quran-burnin
and then it keeps doing this
https://sakerhetspolisen.se/ovriga-sidor/other-languages/english-engelska/press-room/news/news/2024-05-30-iran-is-using-criminal-networks-in-sweden.html
And this is just for Sweden, you can find a ton more similar things for other nations and Iran.

>>63853133
>z was fucking around
By doing what exactly?

>>63853135
well they have a few more years to do it but so far im not seeing any real shifts, but sure id love to see it

>>63853280
>wi supreme court election

>>63853293
what about it, specifically

>>63853280
The point is that they don't have to DO something. They have to pull back on the radical leftist shit and pick a candidate who resembles a human being. I feel like there's definitely some of it happening, although I'm also sure that migas will proceed to latch onto every single tranny within a 10 mile radius from every DNC politician to claim the opposite.

>>63853305
The liberal won, in a state trump won, and she won handily. After the 2024 election.

>>63853327
I'd prefer if the gop distanced itself from trump, but oh well, as much as i hate to say it, its more likely the dems unfuck themselves first

>>63853375
wasnt he projected to lose to her even before musk tried to stick his dick in it

>>63850002
nobody wants to annex iran you retard
going in and decapitating the leadership as well as taking out key targets is all anyone cares about

>>63853415
That's how you spot a zigger. Their brains still can't comprehend why dicking around with borders is is a bad idea that will inevitably bite you back.

>>63853392
Not prior to inauguration!

>>63853502
ah yeah well that may be a win for them, but the party at large is still pretty fragmented and rudderless. if the best they got for 2028 so far is pritzker and newsom im not excited

>>63853590
I have personal beef with jabba. Im holding out more and more for trump to just stroke out one day, but that'd still leave us with a shit sandwich.

>>63846683 (OP)
more like jews are superior and thats why they beat them so hard

>>63847918
This is just sad.

>>63852901
They're bullying Khameini and it's funny to watch

>>63849045
Its Khamenei not Kronii, vtubers are haraam and djin