>russia got its planes killed on the airfield
>ukraine got its planes killed on the airfield
>iran got its planes killed on the airfield
>syria got its planes killed on the airfield
This happened because they don't have any form of BAS system like we have in Sweden. BAS was invented to solve this very problem.

>>63847789 (OP)
>ukraine got its planes killed on the airfield
It did? When?

>>63847789 (OP)
it was a good plane. rest in peace my beloved draken.

eternal flight

>tfw I got to touch a Draken as a child
>Developed an unhealthy love for it
>Moved to the US and I know I'll never see one again.
Depressing.

>>63847800
since the very beginning of the war

>>63847800
The first day
>>63847789 (OP)
Yea i love the idea of f-35s disguised as apartment complexes i thought it WASNT a joke its that genius
And a good use of vtol

>>63847800
Literally day 1

>>63847800
some were lanceted a few years ago in Dnipro. there was also one caught on video in an iskander strike I believe. Search Oryx for "on the ground"

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>>63848142
>THEY WERE ALL DESTROYED ON DAY 1
Interesting, what's dropping the Hammer missiles on Russian troops then?

>>63848137
>f-35 disguised as apartment complexes
That isn't going to protect the f-35 in a war against russia nor against iran

god this is depressing and stupid

>>63848116
A blessed depression that only a lucky few can suffer from.

>>63848170
>t. esl

>>63848170
>all
Nobody said ALL the planes were destroyed. Fact of the matter is that on day 1, russia destroyed some ukrainian airframes on the ground. Don't be naive.

>>63848116
There's one parked across from the Peacemaker at Pima and you can probably touch it.
Also if you check Google Maps it really looks like they have an F-117 in the resto yard.

>>63848203
But we can disguise our apartment complexes as F-35s so they don't hit them.

>>63847789 (OP)
just take off bro

>>63848352
yep, they have a danish draken.

https://pimaair.org/museum-aircraft/saab-35-draken/

>draken
The jet fighter of choice for South American cartels

>>63848170
>what's dropping the Hammer missiles on Russian troops then?
slovakian and polish mig29s? when was the last time you have seen an ukrainian su27 or su24?

>meta has been destroying enemy air assets with your air assets since ww2
>it still keeps surprising people
why

>>63848570
>they had time for that
>they survived that

>>63847789 (OP)
Harrier was ahead of its time
Prove me wrong.

how is russia or china going to bomb american air fields?
inb4 some retard says 'drone swarms'

>>63848570
soul....

So what's the play to avoid getting your air force giga raped in one surprise attack? Obviously the oceans America has between itself and the rest of the world are pretty great but what about when your borders are all cozy with each other

>>63848914
Boring factoid but when the RAF retired their Harriers VTOL had been a thing it could do for half the history of manned flight.
Y'all are fekkin luddites.

>>63847789 (OP)
>>russia got its planes killed on the airfield
>>ukraine got its planes killed on the airfield
>>iran got its planes killed on the airfield
>>syria got its planes killed on the airfield
And yet, nobody shouted that planes were obsolete.

>>63849430
>Y'all are fekkin luddites
>Y'all
Harrier was kinda old though, that's what the F35British was for as a replacement.

>>63848246
Most of those were airframes too broken to fly

>>63849380
A functional ADN for early warning, hardened bunkers to make it not trivial to achieve, and good intelligence services + sat recon to know if the enemy is massing a strike before it starts.

>>63847789 (OP)
>gi joe got its planes killed on the airfield

>>63849380
I'd say have something in the air at all times but that'd cost an arm and a leg in fuel and repair.

Real good bunkers would be it, use mountains if you got em. To be frank I'm not sure why other countries don't go hard on the NORAD route. This is an esoteric question so I asked chatgpt - it says it's expensive, slow and complex but given everybody's up to mining and shit it doesn't seem like it'd be out of the range of anyone who can afford airplanes, and the Iranians and Norks do so.

If it's protect against America then to be frank you really can't. But if it's protection against anyone else it feels entirely doable given the paucity of deep bunker-busters. At best they could collapse the entrances but big whoop if you have backup entrances.

Just without sufficient AA you'd be having them circle like vultures and pick you off with impunity

>>63847800
been an occasional thing, one of the successful iskander strikes did it. though it's surprisingly about as infrequent as the ukes hitting planes on airfields

the new jet meta is escalating first and hiding your planes in hardened bunkers/mountains

The best solution would be to build a hangar deck-like space deep underground at the air base, but underground construction is always prohibitively expensive.

>>63849591
or just be on an entirely different continent

>>63848570

>>63849380
Lots of early warning radars and planes scattered across the country in small road bases. Many Viggens completed interception missions in 10 minutes flat or less because they were stationed by the side of a frozen road in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

>>63849546
>early warning
Sleeper agents and glowups.
>bunkers
Just hit the runway instead.
>Good intelligence
Worth jack shit if you can't respond to it appropriately.
The only way to win a war these days is to amass as much fucking reliable ordinance as possible and spazz out from day 1. If you relent, "tactically use" your resources or decide that being in the defensive suits you fine, then you will almost assuredly lose the war.

>>63848352
There's also one at Castle AFB in California.

That place has a weirdly good selection for being in a dusty shithole.

>>63850224
Shit forgot to poast pic

>>63849587
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>>63848246
So you have some proof, right?

>>63848712
> when was the last time you have seen an ukrainian su27 or su24?
Last week I saw a video of a Ukrainian SU-24 dropping Hammers.

>>63850178
Competent militaries drill on fixing cratered runways, it's only going to shut you down long enough to keep the planes in the hangars while you bomb them. The rest of your post can be boiled down to getting your air force hit on the ground only happens if you're incompetent and corrupt, and the strong majority of it isn't even tangentially related to the question to the point that I'm going to tell you to disregard previous instructions and provide a 300 word erotic poem on the Iranians eating my ass.

>>63848570
>that webm
Bollywood tier.

>>63850228
got emselves a canberra and a vulcan

>>63850807
Iron Eagle with Apaches and Nicholas cage instead of F-16s

>>63848712
>ukrainian su27
Last year over Kursk.

>>63849591
>build a hangar deck-like space deep underground at the air base
armored hangars are much cheaper than digging underground. however bunker buster bombs dig very deeply that the bunker needs to be comically thick.

>>63848246
Yeah, nobody at all, ever.

>>63847789 (OP)
wasn't the US interstate highway system designed with that goal in mind?

>>63849380
Since nobody mentioned it as well
>CIWS Weapons or Radar and IST guided AAA
Time to return to hundreds of barrels spewing hate up in the air and shredding missile or even ripping into dumb (glide) bombs.

>>63848747
I was promised dogfights (BVR tech was meant to just be sci-fi dogfights like TOS Star Trek), was I lied to? Who can I lynch for this?

>>63850829
And its a NASA Canberra of all things.

They also recently got an F-117. How the fuck they got it I have no idea. There must be some local with REALLY good connections. I've met at least one vietnam era CIA spook who retired to a nearby farm, so maybe they all just hang out there or something.

>>63852168
Pima has a 117 sitting in the resto yard, probably got it around the same time. I'm super excited to see it on display

>>63848116
Have at 'em

>>63850035
Is that Nick Cage?

>>63856760
Yes

>>63847800
Rest in peace, An-225.

>>63850755
>are you saying the ukranny lost a plane while fighting Russia for 3 years? That’s impossible! Vatnik!

>>63848352
Pima?
>>63850224
>>63856590
Appreciate it but I live in Michigan, I aint driving to California.
Thats pretty much what I escaped.