still havent seen airforce 1 pop up, is it possible its flying back with adsb off?

>>63849744 (OP)
>Donny leaves G7 early and calls war room
Iran getting yeeted by burgers tonight or did Donny do something dumb and have to leave to save face?

How many tankers have been counted so far?

>>63849752
Does Donald Trump seem like the kind of person capable of being embarassed? There are dozens of tanker and cargo aircraft all in the air heading east. The fuck do you think is happening?

tankers, the other kind, are burning in the strait of hormuz

Looks like someone forgot something back at base.

what's the point of keeping military assets in the US if we're not going to use them in the US anyways? just put everything overseas in the first place, idiots

We don't talk about tanker aircraft enough.

What are some /k/ approved tankers?

>>63849765
crews want to stay with their families

>>63849755
last night there was about 40 that went across the atlantic
today theres been a lot of activity but i personally only saw 4-8 go across. 2 more are leaving now with a handful of c17s

>>63849744 (OP)
8th hour of the special clown show operation, tankers are still honking

Any updates on the Constant Phoenix?

>>63849760
I'm doubtful Iran have enough missiles left to cause that many fires.

>>63849758
Idk I just don't wanna have to go fight on the desert map again.

>>63849780
wrong, Iran didn't spend any of their shorter range missiles since those cannot reach Israel

>>63849771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

>>63849776
havent seen it for hours since it came on for a few min

>>63849767
For me, it's the Victor.

What are the chances we'll be seeing American boots on the ground in Iran?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F46r-_jPPHY

>>63849776
As far as I can tell it landed or isn't broadcasting for whatever reason

>>63849790
outside of CCTs or other SF detachments helping the jews? probably close to zero

>>63849790
Zero percent. This will be a USAF and USN show.

>>63849790
Probably nil. By the time a major ground offensive is launched by the israelies, tehran will be a parking lot.

>>63849790
Near zero

B-1b refueling over Montana rn.

>>63849790
Literally zero.

>>63849802
Unironically imagine being infantry in the year of f35s

>>63849802
>FP19-13457-0203.jpg
grim, that's a training unit

>>63849818
weird. i wonder why he didnt just land in south dakota? isnt there a b1 base there

>>63849790
unfortunately high. there's a desperation for a win or distraction, so i expect there to be a concerted effort to try and put american soldiers out there for the cameras to try and shut everyone up about shit going on at home 2003-style

>>63849767
This fella

>>63849824
training

>>63849788
I had absolutely no idea they turned this thing into a tanker.

Man remember when there were NATO militaries that were relevant other than the US?

>>63849832
Good taste.
>>63849829
You're a fucking retard.

>>63849760
Basically confirms that Iran at least believes that the US is coming in, wouldn't it?

>>63849829
2003 wasn't nearly this tense at home. People were bloodthirsty for revenge after the towers went down. Legit 70 percent thought that Iraq was harboring WMDs

>>63849842
maybe the US shouldn't have said to evacuate Tehran?

>>63849820
American infantry or thirdy infantry? Because their experience vis a vis the F-35 is markedly different for those two groups.

>>63849760
i wouldnt trust firms for this honestly, id wait for actual footoage

>>63849848
For the sake of humor, both.

>>63849834
>Man remember when there were NATO militaries that were relevant other than the US?
What has happened to the British ground forces makes me sad.

>>63849847
The US can say whatever it wants. Comes with being the most powerful country in human history.

>>63849849
NASA isn't a firm

>>63849857
lmao

>>63849854
At least they finally got a carrier. The Royal Navy being that pathetic legit gave me secondhand embarassment.

>>63849854
Britain like other NATO countries has a massive recruitment problem.
That being said if germany can get over their generational hatred for the armed forces , they're shaping up pretty good

>>63849855
This kind of ape thinking gets Americans killed.

>>63849849
Doesn't confirm it for sure, but Ambrey is aware of an "incident" in the Gulf of Oman

>>63849760
Could be gas flares. I don't wanna say "Nothing Ever Happens" but if they start missiling oil tankers, shit's gonna be all over the normie news immediately. Many news networks are owned by Saudi Arabia and if Iran is blowing up bulk oil tankers on their way out of the gulf, the Saudies have a vested interest in making a bunch of noise about it.

>>63849863
As long as they don't get over their generational hatred of the military too much...the last couple of times that happened weren't that great for the rest of europe

>>63849869
there is a bunch of oil platforms in that area that show up on firms in the past. ill wait for footage

>>63849865
If Iran somehow manages to kill anywhere close to the number of Americans during this conflict that they have through terrorism over the last 45 years then maybe you would have a point and wouldn't be retarded.

>>63849868
forgot my image - Reuters news wire

What US carriers are in the area. Nimitz wouldn't have arrived yet, right?

>>63849886
ok well i checked the satellite coordinates for the firms ping east of khor fakkan and there isnt an oil platform there so idk

>>63849844
and how many people think iran is about to have a nuke?

>>63849890
no boats in the area at least according to this

>>63849900
lol nvm

So what's everyone's prediction? Is it habbeding or is Trump bluffing Iran into giving up the farm.

>>63849900
>boobies

>>63849875
All the people yelping about Iran at Netanyahu's behest want us all to forget that 9/11 was Saudi funded and them motherfuckers still have our presidents accepting their bribes.

>>63849913
i honestly think we drop bombs tonight or a ceasefire is declared.

>>63849913
I think Trump lets the Iranians sweat for a week before a B-2 strike. The main point holding up the negotiations before the Israeli started bombing was that Trump wants the Iranians to give up all enrichment, not just weapons grade.
Besides, it's not like he needs to rush. The Iranian air-defense network will be broken for quite a while.

>>63849888
only carl vinson. truman went home.

>>63849913
We built bombs specifically for those bunkers. I'm a bit skeptical that it happens tonight, but the pieces are being moved for it to happen soon.

>>63849927
>>63849929
If only Vinson is there then I like the theory of Trump making Khameini sweat.

>>63849915
the top pair can get it
bottom pair a little sad
sexooooo

super galaxy showed up heading east.
more missiles? tanks?

>>63849923
Bombs by tomorrow or it's not happening

>>63849946
2 there now

>>63849854
The Royal Navy decline since WW2 makes me depressed
>t. Non bong

>>63849913
According to the WSJ, Iran is willing to negotiate with the US even if they don't stop Israel from bombing them as long as the US doesn't join in. I'd say that if I was Iranian, I'd still be getting as far away from any military targets as possible.

>>63849965
What can they even negotiate with though? Like even if Iran gave Trump everything he wanted it would still be stupid to trust them into keeping any deal when it's at gunpoint.

>>63849946
>>63849949
I'm hoping for MOPs.

>>63849971
Trump only cares about the deal lasting the next 4 years and I'm sure it would involve inspectors going in regularly for any nuclear compliance. Of course, I'm equally sure at some point Iran would tell them to fuck off like Saddam did, but I don't think Iran understands how much they pissed off the rest of the entire world with their proxy warfare in Hamas and the Houthis, so the terms are much less likely to be sanctions relief in exchange for good behavior but simply the beatings stopping.

>>63849995
>it would involve inspectors going in regularly for any nuclear compliance
inspectors aren't suicidal and won't go anywhere near israeli bombs

>>63850004
I can't tell if you're retarded and don't understand that if the US strikes a deal, they'll tell Isreal to knock it off since they've made their point, or just schizophrenic and think that reminding the world about the Jews having nukes is somehow noteworthy.

apparently the stratotankers with the RCH or Reach callsigns are possibly on cargo trips, not necessarily fuel truck trips
>REACH VAR AMC aircraft on transport mission

>>63849995
>Hamas
Didn't really piss anyone but Israel off.
>Houthis
Did piss everyone off

>>63849971
Fuck up the strait of hormuz, fuck up oil production, attack our soldiers which means Trump has to go hard in the paint and he clearly doesn't want to.

>>63849790

Near zero unless the Iranians actually manage to sink a US warship or something.

Trump’s poll numbers would drop into the single digits if he sends American soldiers to Iran. Hell, he’s gonna take a pretty serious hit if he simply bombs Iran. It might make him so unpopular that the Deep State/Establishment/ZOG/whatever you want to call it could actually depose him and potentially get away with it

>>63850017
so basically any plane you see with RCH callsign is going over the pond

killjoy

>>63850037
Well that explains why the news isn't blowing up.

>>63850018
Hamas starting the fun going again in the Middle East after it was finally starting to calm down and making all the neighboring Muslim countries have to pretend to care about the Palestinians instead of just shitting on Onlyfans whores in a luxury apartment certainly annoyed some of them, and the US and the West equally were annoyed at having to deal with the mess created by Israel flatting Palestine. Hamas also resulted in part in the Houthi mess, so they deserve some of the credit for that as well.

>>63850037
CLARKSON

>>63849921
Pretty much everyone in the region aside from Jordan are "best ally" tier, though at least the House of Saud and the UAE can pay for their own shit, AFAIK. There's a special kind of disdain I have towards the House of Saud for helping to fuck over the modern arab world with their devil's pact with al-Wahaab, not that the region wouldn't be fucked either way but still. I'm no anti-semite, I hate all those cunts equally.

>>63850021
Trump isn't running for a third term. Nobody is going to "disappear" him for starting a pro-Israel war. His base will be mad and maybe it will hurt republican turnout next election so the other side will win and do the same thing.

>>63850065
lose mid-terms and potus gets impeached before finishing his term

>>63849959
They should honestly just give up naval aviation. They can't reasonably afford it.

less exciting happening but it looks like the coast guard is rescuing someone. the 2nd is a coast guard blackhawk following

>>63850065

It isn't just about Trump the man, but also

>getting rid of Vance and all of Trump's appointees like Hegseth, Gabbard, etc.
>gaining the tacit ability to cancel election results you don't like
>sending a message to Trump's base (and everyone else) that they aren't welcome in Washington and will never be allowed to have the reins of power ever again

>braindead avatarfag pedo who spends 24/7 shitting up 4chan posts AI garbage
shocking

You guys know what?

With the Iranians basically begging the US to get Israel to stop and they'll agree to a deal, and the Israelis desperate for the US to hop in with heavy bombers, I don't think it's crazy to suspect that Israel lit some tankers on fire in the same spot Iran did. They've pulled shit like that before, and know Trump doesn't have the capacity to wonder why Iran would do that right now.
It seems like the Iranians have everything to lose from that and Israel has everything to gain. Alternatively, the chance at toppling the regime has never been better, and public opinion in the US won't support fighting Israel's war without *some* reason. We've pulled shit like that before - more often than even the Israelis.
I've seen some IDF guys complaining that they can't get the nuclear facilities because Israel doesn't have heavy bombers. "We reeeeally need the US" stuff. But they have air supremacy and C-130s. The only combat use of the MOAB was dropped by a C-130, and the MOP is about the same size. At altitude, it's an uncontested environment. They could easily do it themselves. I'm not even being one of the many paranoids we seem to get around here - it seriously makes zero sense why Iran would do this right now, but it makes some sense why either the Israelis or the US would.

>>63850189

Malding

>>63850193
one random ship on fire is not going to move the needle enough for that to happen

>>63850193
do the isrealies even have a weapon equivalent to that though? You would think they would show it off if so. A lot easier to just bomb them yourself than coerce the US into doing it. Also the entire mine the straight strategy was always dogshit. They would basically be embargoing themselves even if nobody stepped in.

>>63850241
so the americans give it to israel and let them do it.

>>63850193
>it makes zero sense as to why Iran would lash out at anything they could destroy as a way to remind the world that stomping them into the dirt will involve some pain

Ah yes, the eternal nooticer noootices again

airforce 1 just took off. zelenskyy is about to land.
guessing nothing is going to happen for the next 5 hours or so while trump gets back to washington

>>63850397
i screenshotted the staff plane without noticing, same idea though trump is in the air

>>63850397
lmao zelenskyy had to go into a holding pattern until trump left the area, RIGHT before he was gonna land
why do i feel like the timing is intentional

>>63850021
trump doesnt care about the polls or the party

>>63849752
>Donny leaves G7 early
It's just his way of saying fuck you to the other guys. He doesn't like that his buttbuddy Putin is no longer in it and on the second day many international guests were invited and he says fuck you those guys were all coming to see me and now they will have to content with the rest.

>>63850493
Sounds like impotent rage to me.

>>63850512
The thing is: no happening.

>>63850493
If anything they'll be glad the delusional windbag is finally gone.

>>63850068
With how pathetic democrats are I doubt even magats will lose harder than democrats
I have nothing but contempt for establishment democrats
Go fuck yourself ken martin
It's a shame that trumpist freak didn't shoot him or cuomo or chuck schumer instead, it would have been an improvement

>>63849790
>What are the chances we'll be seeing American boots on the ground in Iran?
There's a 100% chance that some secret squirrel stuff will happen, there'll be glowies embedded in Iranian specops that raid the enrichment bunkers.
Maybe a few other missions performed quietly around the place while the opportunity exists to fuck around in Iranian air space with no consequences and the ability to infiltrate and exfiltrate by helo remains as simple as filing a deconfliction plan with IAF.

Actual occupation won't happen, they'll (Israel with broad and strong western backing/cover including tankers, awacs, basing and intel integration) will just flatten every component of the MIC and regime control and wait for rebels to realise that there won't be armed responses to the next protest because the police garrison was razed in an air strike last night and the army is busy digging holes to put its remaining TELs into.

So whats this little guy up to?

>>63850979
obv bug in flightradar24

>>63849765
>what's the point of keeping strategic aviation with the ability to be on the other side of the planet within 24 hours separated from all your enemies by two oceans
Truly it is a mystery.

>>63850996
??
those tankers aren't part of Strategic Air Command

>>63849886
>>63849890
>>63849905
Two ships collided.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/uae-evacuates-24-people-from-oil-tanker-after-collision-near-hormuz-strait

>>63851015
ships don't catch fire when colliding

>>63849893
No one gives a shit if Iran gets a nuke because the story that the CIA successfully sold the American public was that Saddam was going to use nukes against America. Meanwhile, no one is buying that line except AIPAC politicians and Evangelical retards/MAGATs. The reason why is that Iran's messaging has been focused mainly on acquiring nukes for deterrence and to attack Israel. Something that only those aforementioned parties care about. The populace, largely, couldn't give a shit less if Israel took an ooknook to the face because they'd just respond with nukes of their own, removing the need for an American response altogether.

Also, it's worth considering why Trump is telling Israel to fuck off. It's not because he hates Jews, it's because Israel is looking for a handout and Trump views all American assets as being his. If you want to get Trump to drop MOPs in Iran, then Israel must offer tribute. And they won't, so it's a moot point. It's why his tone completely changed during Gaza. He was completely on board with helping Israel just turn Gaza into a parking lot when his AIPAC shiester buddies convinced him that Israel would totally let America (him) have all the beach front property he could dream of. Then Israel said no, and now where here.

Say what you want about the guy, the strong man egoism of desiring expressions of fealty and giving them offerings is a big part of who he is. If Israel won't cough up something tangible, then they don't get shit.

>>63851001
I know it's hard to understand but the ability to refuel whatever the fuck you want midair is pretty strategically useful.

>>63851021
>ships are not full of flammable shit like fuel, hot engines full of hot oil, hot hydraulic fluid, and whatever cargo an oil tanker might be carrying
Ships catch on fire on their own man, let alone when they run into each other in the middle of the night.

>>63849790
at best you'll have troops on the coast, nobody wants to fight their way into the mainland, just disarm iran by force and all parties (except the IRGC) will be happy.

>>63851021
They do that all the time

>>63851035
>the story that the CIA successfully sold the American public was that Saddam was going to use nukes against America
No, the story was that he was gonna use chemical weapons, which he already had used in the past to gas a bunch of Kurdish villages, was forced to give them up, but there was strong evidence to suggest that he was pursuing them again. The evidence did not conclude that, but the risk of it happening was plausible enough to go to war over it.

>>63849752
He needs congress for this. It's not the same playbook as 911. We haven't been hit by Iran and all this is already to public. I bet Iran will declare war.

>>63851143
Do they need congress for limited air force action?

>>63851143
No, he doesn't.
>>63851146
No, he doesn't.

>>63849818
>B-1b refueling over Montana rn
Sure, that's what they are doing. Have your parents had "the talk' with you yet?

>>63850979
>>63850994
GPS fuckery. probably what caused the tanker collision

>>63849946
Won't be tanks. There won't be boots on the ground without extreme further escalation, and even then they'd want to get AF and Navy supplies out there first.

>>63849771
Uncle Sam's their only family

>>63851346
You joke but having tops 2 divorces deep tell me "the Army doesn't issue you a family troop" got really old really quick.
It's one thing to tell your troops to forget about their family on deployment or ex. It's another to tell them to forget them when you're sitting in a parking lot 40 minutes before PT because NCOs have to be an hour early for some reason while missing a funeral

>>63849752
The later. He was supposed to meet Zelensky and discuss tariffs with the other leaders today. So he decided to bail under the pretense of doing something really important in DC.
The only reason he went there was so he could bitch about how mean they were to Putin.

>>63851422
Pls take your retarded fanfiction to /lit/

>>63851545
The G7 summit is well documented and today's schedule is publicly available. Dude just needed a stage to simp for Putin some more then left after he was done. Simple as.

>>63851545
Orange retard said "it's not the same without dady poutine" and left. Not a fanfiction it's your president lmao.

>>63851130
>chemical weapons
>zoomzoom doesn't remember Colin Powell cratering a lifeyime of good will holding up a fake vial of bioweapoms at the UN
>zoomzoom doesn't remember the yellowcake uranium and the Plame affair
It was WMDs in general, but nukes were a big part of it since the whole thing was completely made up to goad the US into an MIC war, and nukes are the scariest WMDs for the normies.

>>63851597
>>63851616
MAGAshits are vile, lying cretins by nature. why can't they just be normal??
>t. Americhad

>>63851665
It's become the party of Facebook boomers and /pol/tards. My local Republican Party HQ has a bigass WE STAND WITH ISRAEL flag front and center on the front door amid a billion bizarre posters about Fauci and Hunter Biden's dick pics and one of those "no russian ever called me deplorable" slogans.

>>63851658
>Colin Powell cratering a lifeyime of good will holding up a fake vial of bioweapoms at the UN
Why did he do it bros?

>>63851739
I hate that I agree with them just enough that the other side doesn't want me, but disagree with them enough that I don't want to be affiliated with them.

>>63851745
Because the Bush Administration heard what they wanted to hear from a schyster in German intelligence employ and ignored all the contravening evidence.

>>63852036
>and ignored all the contravening evidence
Nah, they went hunting for something, anything that would justify what they had very clearly already decided to do.
Blair was all in for various reasons, some of them literally identical to the Bush family's reasons.
The Blairs bought into the international capitalist class elite via The Carlyle Group and once in, were on the same page about the war.
Then both the UK and USA just went hunting for some shred of a story to justify it and once they found one, held it up without letting anyone look too closely at it, buried anything that didn't back it up and ran with it.

Civilian registered BAE Hawk. The one in question is an ex-ROKAF Mk.67 variant.

>>63851597
Why do Euroids even let this fat orange russian cocksucking retard use their bases for his Iran chimpout if he doesn't give something in return and do the bare minimum to address the eastern vermin invasion? Ok donnovich, you want our airstrips? Let's talk sanctions, you HIVan infatuated cocksucker

>>63852363
Probably paid to be red air for training

>>63852491
They’ve gotten to be protected by America and nonsense on their military for the last 50 years you fucking retarded bitch

>>63852501
Not spend*

>>63849893
Iran is going to have the nukes in two more weeks for at least the past 10+ years. It's the ultimate nothingburger and even normalfags are making fun of this claim.

what kind of dipshit false flag are you guys expecting to justify attacking iran
are they gunna fly a plane into something again?

>>63852520
Are you saying trump lied

>>63851746
Welcome to bipartisan politics. We need a more varied party system. Will never happen because Republicans and Democrats have a nonverbal agreement to lock themselves in a death spiral of incompetence.

>>63851021
russian ships can catch fire all on their own power

>>63849818
>That Stratotanker is 67 years old.
No wonder they're being replaced by the KC-46.

>>63849987
>GBU-57
>30,000lb bomb
It can only be delivered by bombers, and afaik the Israeli's don't fly B-52s, Bones or B-2s.
That would require direct US involvement, which at this point I doubt would happen.

>>63850044
kek

>>63852494
Actually, I found out that it was a chase plane to E-2. Northrop Grumman has a facility in the area. I will make a trip to the airfield Thursday and Friday to see if they are active.

>>63852542
What the fuck makes you think a false flag is needed to attack Iran? Iran has been getting attacked for the better part of a week.

>>63849744 (OP)
My hypothesis.

1. Nothing ever happens
2. Trump is all about deals and leverage and shit

So, this is all a big flex to intimidate Iran into making a deal. If they were planning something, they wouldn't be flying around with transponders on, or would at least make the minimum effort to mask their intentions. We can see it, and thus Iran can see it, hence the only logical conclusion is because they want it to be seen.

>>63851021
>ships don't catch fire when colliding
anon...ships can catch fire from getting too wet.

>>63851276
>GPS fuckery. probably what caused the tanker collision
Ukies are saying it was a Russian shadow-fleet tanker, that would probably be using GLONASS.
The more likely explanation is that the ship wasn't transmitting its AIS transponder and that the other tanker wasn't paying enough attention to their radar.
It's a notorious strait for accidents though, local fishermen play chicken with the tankers to make the most of the run.

>>63853909
>That would require direct US involvement, which at this point I doubt would happen.

Aging very poorly.

>>63853935
>they wouldn't be flying around with transponders on
They need to fly with those on when operating in the same airspace with civilian planes.

>>63854034
>They need to fly with those on when operating in the same airspace with civilian planes
Well, they're supposed to.
They usually know where the civilian planes are though so they decide for themselves whether there are civilians close enough to worry about.

>>63854034
>They need to fly with those on when operating in the same airspace with civilian planes.
Who is going to stop them if they don't?

>>63854057
Even the USAF is terrified of the FAA.

>>63854065
>federal government fines itself
oh shit oh fuck what will we do

>>63853935
>Trump bombed the shit out of Syria during his first term despite saying no to any further interventions in the middle east
The dude is beyond scared of the idea of nukes, why the fuck wouldn't he bomb the shit out of Iran? Especially since he knows doing something like this MIGHT make his approval ratings go up and distract people from the other shit he's fucking up

>>63854057
I'm just saying the rules the Air Force has, it's good practice to run the transponder when you are sharing airspace with civilians and have no chance of hostiles.

>>63854111
He's allergic to good choices and a bit of a cuck, so he'll chicken out

>>63854112
>and have no chance of hostiles
Are we talking about a tanker over CONUS or over Iraq?

>>63854078
This anon has never had to go through military or contractor OSHA training.

>>63854034
Can't they just declare some air corridors off limits to civilian traffic? I guess that would involve some pain with flights getting canceled/rerouted, but still

>>63854202
Yes, they can, but that's not going to happen for something as business as usual as bombing another shithole in the sandbox.

>>63854202
Why would they want to piss off the populace and disrupt civilian traffic when they can just turn on the transponders until they're out over the ocean?

>>63854065
The USAF is not subject to the FAA, peacetime safety practices are a seperate behavior.

>>63854229
Yes but they are subject to getting bitched at by pain in the ass congressmen and bureaucrats.

>>63853909
Only the B-2 can carry the MOP right now. B-21 should be able to as well when it's ready.

>>63854202
Flights get rerouted all the time due to weather. It's not hard for something going 600 mph to take a 30-40 mile detour.

>>63854111
Syria bombing was more symbolic than anything. Massive overkill on a (largely) empty airfield. Trump had a redline, Assad crossed it so Trump did a demonstration of might. Assad got the message and knocked that shit off.

>>63854115
>bit of a cuck
Of all the shit you can say about him you guys always stick on the one thing he isn't.

>>63854034
No they don't. They file their flight plans and ground control keeps civvies out of the way.

>>63850979
Same energy.

>>63854115
Oh no it's a retard who actually fell for the TACO astroturf.

>>63854404
I love it. They have been in shambles for six months and are getting increasingly desperate.

>>63850493
That was basically it, he was getting clowned on by all the other members for being Putin's errand boy.
Also putin humiliated trump yet again because trump bragging that putin is the only one he listens too, only for putin to kill an American civilian who was in Kyiv later in the day.

>>63854111
Because trump got cucked hard by netanyahu and would be seen as his bitch for this war. It's the big reason he's pouring gas on the fire by demanding the unconditional surrender of Iran because it would make it look like he's the one in control.

>>63854455
Poe's law in full effect.

>>63854455
Thanks for the fanfic but I think >>>/lit/ is where you meant to post it.

>>63854483
What part was wrong?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-citizen-dies-russian-attack-ukraine-capital-kyiv-mayor-says-2025-06-17/

>>63854501
All of it.

>>63854506
So Ukraine is lying. Okay Vatnik.

>>63849870
Don't worry, we are not there yet
>>63849863
That's gonna take some time, they are ramping up the recruitment ads pretty hard right now, even dabbling in yt shorts ads and sometimes even thinly veiled "Interviews"
Still not desperate enough to take people like me in, I think it'll take a few years and/or shifts in geopolitics until they get REALLY desperatet

>>63854512
putin humiliated trump yet again because trump bragging that putin is the only one he listens too,
> only for putin to kill an American civilian who was in Kyiv later in the day.
You're unironically saying that Putin did a targeted strike on some random American in Ukraine to humiliate Trump?

Lmao take that writing to >>>/lit/

>>63851746
me too, anon... me too.

>>63854021
Not in the loop here. Did the US fly a Spirit or two over Tehran and drop some MOPs on their heads?

You really need to put more effort into this my seething libcuck friend.

>>63854627
Not yet, but something like 25 or more of the refueling craft operated by the US made the trip from the CONUS to just next door to Iran over the previous two days, so either we're going to be allowing the Israelis to strike anything they want as fast as they can rearm or the USAF is going to join in on kneeling on Iran's neck.

>>63854627
as soon as tonight

>>63854564
Interesting how you're thinking it's not.

>>63852559
The origins of the bipartisan setup of the US is due to its primitive voting system which will *always* (mathematically proven) lead two a two-party quasi-stalemate. Modern voting systems (which have been carefully designed to work around this inherent flaw) would end the two-party situation, but it requires a nation-wide reform and, of course, both parties have a vested interest in never allowing this reform to happen in the first place, so down the spiral it goes. Game theory is fun. Reality, not so much.

>>63854752
>modern voting systems

Funny how it is always democrats advocating ranked choice, almost like they have a motive.

>>63854734
Meds.

>>63854764
Stop noticing things.

>>63852559
>>63854752
There's technically a work around with America's first past the post system if it adopted ranked choice voting where you rank everyone who is running and if no one gets a majority of the vote, there's an instant run off where the bottom preforming candidates are removed and the people who voted for them then have their second choice counted so their vote isn't thrown out.
It basically throws away the concept spoiler candidates or needing to vote strategically (lesser of two evils vote). And forces candidates to run more broadly since you not only need to appeal to your own voters, but to another candidate's voters as well since you might need to coalition to win.
But for some reason American conservatives REALLY hate it though and have been going out of their way to ban it in states they control. Or you can ask this guy what the problem is >>63854764

>>63854764
Lmao like clockwork >>63854785

>>63854797
So what's wrong with Ranked Choice voting? It gets ride of some of the corruption in the current election system and strengthens third parties along with voter choice.

>click on any thread in the catalog about military equipment
>there's the same /pol/fag seething about donald trump
Jfc jannies do your job

>>63854807
>What's wrong with a system where some votes are only counted once and others are counted over and over

>>63854815
Making sure your vote is counted no matter who you vote for sounds like a good deal.

>>63854829
Your vote is counted no matter who you vote for.

>>63849744 (OP)
>>63849790
100%. americans are ALWAYS involved in these wars. they just won't admit it.

>>63854838
Then you shouldn't have an issue with Ranked Choice which make sure it's not thrown out either because you voted fro who you wanted as your first choice.

>>63854857
Its not thrown out. It's counted. Just the person you voted for lost.

>>63854838
>>63854863
Then you shouldn't have an issue with Ranked Choice which make sure it's not thrown out either, because of who you voted for, for your first choice.

>>63854815
That's just disingenuous.

>>63854869
Ranked choice is suceptible to being gamed, like European parlimentary systems, where the person with the most votes doesn't win.

>>63854869
Its not thrown out. It's counted. Just the other guy got more votes.

>>63854871
if my guy gets two the final two. My vote has been counted once. If your guy drops out in round 1, your vote has been counted once. Your second choice is thus your second vote. I have voted once for one candidate and my vote has been counted once. You have voted for two people and your vote has been counted twice.

Simple as.

>>63854893
>>63854905
>where the person with the most votes doesn't win.
First, it's funny you raise an issue with an election system being gamed when first past the post is everything you just described, including the person with the most votes not winning.
Explain how, since ranked choice requires you to get a majority of votes to be declared the winner which completely contradicts your statement.

>>63854893
It's just more steps to do what we do already.

>>63854916
Because the result is the same, you've just hidden it by shifting votes around.

>>63851658
This, the reason they kept saying “WMDs” instead of “chemical weapons” was to allude to nukes without technically lying.

>>63854918
Not at all, it allows for sucessful 3rd parties. Maybe we get a maga gop divide, a tankie dem divide, etc. There's be an actual choice instead of shit red and trash blue.

>>63851021
anon, I...

>>63854934
>Because the result is the same
But that's not the case given first past the post allows candidates who didn't get a majority of the votes to win. Meanwhile Ranked Choice demands you get a majority to win, and you lose, well, you didn't appeal to enough of the overall voter base if you couldn't pull in voters from other candidates.

>>63854945
You can have successful third parties right now. They just aren't popular. Get over it.

>>63854807
It doesn’t actually help third parties. Australia has it but is still essentially a two party system. FPTP is actually easier for third parties because you can win with only 34% of the vote assuming the other two split evenly. Americans just don’t LIKE the third parties that exist.

Parliamentary systems are capable of sustaining more choices. But real knowers are sortition enthusiasts.

>>63854952
>you didn't appeal to enough of the overall voter base if you couldn't pull in voters from other candidates

Ranked choice doesn't do this either.

>>63854952
>that's not the case given first past the post allows candidates who didn't get a majority of the votes to win
Same with your system fuck face. You just shift votes around in the second stage to form a "majority".

Why the fuck would we punish mainstream popular parties and build a system that caters to the fringe? If your little indie guy lost, it's because he's fringe and that's good for politics. The two party system brings politics to the middle.

>>63854934
Wait, so if the result is the same, why the hell would having a wider range of political choices be a bad thing?
>>63854814
It's a thread about an evolving geopolitical conflict, how are you surprised by political rambling?

>>63854964
That's called a plurality not a majority. Other guy said a majority which is over 50% by default.

>>63854976
>why the hell would having a wider range of political choices be a bad thing?
Because you already have total freedom and political choice. You can vote for whomever you want and create whatever fucking party you want.

>>63854955
They aren't because of a winner take all system that inevitably forces them into the red v blue. This is how you ended up with troon obsessed dems and maga reds. Neither of these are popular opinions, just the result of tribalistic purity tests.

>>63854976
>It's a thread about an evolving geopolitical conflict
No, it's a thread about a fucking war. Talk about war or fuck off to /pol/.

>>63854982
The "majority" would be artificial and is thus not a majority. You would get people who win with "50%" every single time and many times they would not have the support for 50% of the population.

>>63854987
>They aren't because of a winner take all system that inevitably forces them into the red v blue.
Which is what ranked choice would but with more steps....

>>63854987
There are dozens things we could do in us politics to make things better. None of those dozen things involves creating a complicated system that allows you to double dip because you want to cast your ballot for some indie shit.

>>63854993
You know you aren't forced to make a sevond choice right? You can cast one vote and choose to die on hill retard.

People in favor of ranked choice have a level of understanding comperable to those who think taxing unrealized gains is a good idea.

>>63855008
>A total non-argument in response
I see you've been bamboozled.

>>63854964
>>63854969
>>63854972
>Third parties can win in FPTP if there is this very precise scenario I created that gets nullified a vast majority of the time by the two party system
Looking at Australia, Ranked Choice is doing its job because 10 different parties are represented in parliament. as opposed 2 parties and handful of independents in America.
Ranked choice clearly does.
Also why do you hate the idea of getting a majority unless you're banking on the inherent corruption within FPTP to stay in power.

The ironic thing is Ranked Choice doesn't favor either party in America going by the elections, but conservatives hate it because they fear it removes some of their weapons to win elections.

>>63855015
America does not have a parliamentary system, libshit.

>>63854972
>The two party system brings politics to the middle.
Now it’s clear you are trolling.

>>63855023
Maybe you shouldn't have brought it up and prove Ranked Choice is superior to FPTP.

>>63855015
>Looking at Australia, Ranked Choice is doing its job because 10 different parties are represented in parliament

Then you look at the actual breakdown of the Australian Parliament and you see the majority of the parties only hold token seats.

>>63855029
Anon, as bad as you think it is now opening up Pandora's box for a bunch of fringe movements is only going to make things far, far, worse.

Both primary + general election process has a moderating effect. If you look at American politics, we've been very consistent for almost 100 years.

>>63855034
>It's superior!
>Why?
>I get to vote for my rando fringe candidate but my vote also gets counted towards [major party] because my fringe weirdo drops off in the first round
Yeah, nah.

>>63855029
You should pay more attention to whom two party system candidates pander to. [spoiler]In the last US pressidential election the candidate that pandered to extremists and racists got BTFO.[/spoiler]

>>63854328
I can carry it. I’ve been working out

>>63855012
>chose to die on hill retard
See that's the all or nothing take that ranked choice avoids. You CAN make 1 first choice for a party you really really like or you can pick them and a runner up party that youre pretty cool with. But it would be harder to sow division in such a society, ruling party has the most who kinda agree. Keeps you from getting stuck with deranged kill all nonwhites vs gender correction for kids choices.

>>63855037
>>63855049
>NOOO, YOU NEED TO THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY VOTING THIRD PARTY SO MY CANDIDATE CAN WIN
Nah. There's a better way, curious how you hate it.
Looking at the results, every district was won by a majority of votes. System working as intended unless you want a true parliament system where the make it based on the percentage of what each party gets.

>>63855040
Yeah, but no longer. We have team retard vs team retard with no where for centrists to go. Which party is for me if I don't want to sell off BLM land, want supressed machine guns cheap, want my healthcare cheaper, and would rather not work until I die at my desk? Right now, none.

>>63855066
It's the same process but with more steps. The candidate form [major party] will win because [major party] caters to the middle. You want to vote for fringe weirdos and still have your vote counted for [major party] so that the other guy doesn't win.

It's so fucking feminine.

>>63855060
Ranked choice allows you to vote twice while some only get to vote once. This is immoral.

>>63851746
Same

>>63855074
>feminine
I see we're resorting to chud buzzwords now

>>63855074
Clearly not, since imagine if everyone can vote for who they want rather than being forced to vote for two parties. Those third parties might actually grow into a political force and break up the two party monopoly.
Very interesting you want to keep this current, clearly broken system and are trying to ban a good alternative.

>>63855073
>We have team retard vs team retard with no where for centrists to go.
Centrists go to the more moderate of the two parties, hence the moderating effect of our system. It rewards whichever party elects the more moderate candidate in its primary process.
>Which party is for me if I don't want to sell off BLM land, want supressed machine guns cheap, want my healthcare cheaper, and would rather not work until I die at my desk?
I'm not sure what party caters to manchildren.
.

>>63855084
>Guys im a centrist
Mask off moment.

>>63855086
Third parties can do that right now. There are independent senators, governor's and congressmen across the country. Americans just don't like third parties.

>>63855080
You act like that is being decided by some arbiter like a cheating voting machine or that people are going in and voting twice. Neither is the case. If your vote is counted once you either voted for the winner or you chose to not put a second option. How is that immoral?

>>63855097
You dropped yours a while ago, calling a chud a chud is essentially the same here as calling a chair a chair.

>>63855097
There's only a few independent senators, and interesting enough, one of them comes from Maine which uses Ranked Choice voting.
So you're making a great case for Ranked Choice.

>>63855108
>If your vote is counted once you either voted for the winner or you chose to not put a second option.
Or my candidate came in second. So you got to choose and vote for two candidates, and I only got to vote for one.

>>63855119
Imagine being on /k/ and calling someone a chud, thinking that its in some way an insult. I only pointed it out because previously you were larping as a "centrist" when in reality you're a mindless libshit. And, as you're a libshit, you're per se anti-gun and thus have no place on this board.

>>63855097
nta but that assumes equal exposure, most voters dont know independent platforms because they are less funded and advertised

>>63855123
Maine adopted ranked choice voting in 2016. Angus King has been in the Senate since 2013. Why are you telling lies on the internet?

>>63855127
>most voters dont know independent platforms because they are less funded and advertised
Because they dont have money, because they aren't popular.

>>63855131
>The people who are defending FPTP aren't even American.
I'm not even going to tell you how you fucked up, but you just gave the entire game away for your side.

>>63855148
>no i dont have an argument
Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>63850419
Does he really want to see the Putin Sock Puppet in person again.

Once is embarrassing enough.

what's with all the /pol/ tourists?
you even missed the latest movements.

>>63855314
dragging f-35s with them.
also notice external sidewinders on the f-35s.

>>63855318
>>63855314
Still too far out of range, lest they use yiddish refueling over syria

>>63855318
They always fly armed with those because they're required to avoid wing vertices or something that kills fuel economy.

>>63852501
>Ackchually being forced to be dependant on the USA is a bad thing for the USA somehow
Luhmao
You think they truly had a choice?

>>63855336
>Still too far out of range, lest they use yiddish refueling over syria
wrong, a f-35 doesn't need to refuel to reach tehran from jordan.

>>63855375
I didn't think we had a base in jordan/jordan was letting us use theirs. Neat

>>63854734
not him, but russia can't reliably strike a specific building, let alone target specific individuals
that kinda thing is only possible with western PGMs

>>63855318
f35 dont look to be armed at least (i know there are internal bomb bays but that wouldnt be that much armament) which is interesting

>>63854893
As opposed to the American electoral system where the person with the most votes doesn't always win.

>>63855342
That's F-16s
F-35s don't have wingtip pylons like they do.

>>63855053
Are spoilers allowed on /leftypol/? Just asking.

>The Boeing E-4B, nicknamed the "Nightwatch" or "doomsday plane", is a highly specialized, militarized version of the Boeing 747-200 used by the U.S. Air Force as a National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC). It serves as a survivable, mobile command post for the President, Secretary of Defense, and Joint Chiefs of Staff during national emergencies, including nuclear war.

>>63855477
theres 2 of them in the air right now
possible nothingburger, but callsign ORDER01 seems interesting
link below monitors every single e4b if theyre up
>https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfeb4,adfeb5,adfeb6,adfeb3

french awacs over israel

amc sending more tankers over the atlantic

>>63855519
for anyone that didnt see it, RCH or Reach, is the callsign for any long haul supply transit. i dont know if it is necessarily tankers with gas or not.

>>63855498
>>63855477
these fly every single day if you look at the adsb flight history. nothing burger

>>63855498
going for dc

>>63855535
welp turned south

>>63853909
what is the difference between the MOP and the MOAB?

>>63855559
mop is a bunker buster.
moab is an air bust bomb.

>>63855559
MOP: earth-penetrating thermobaric
MOAB: air burst thermobaric
beaten by >>63855577

>>63855577
nice dubs. thanks anon

>>63855342
>>63855468
AIM-9 is also generally too light for the purpose. The AIM-120 on the wingtip of F-16s is there due to shockwave-induced separation causing a positive feedback loop with the structure, up to a certain amplitude. Putting the AIM-120 there damps it out. You need mass for it to be effective

https://x.com/vcdgf555/status/1935142390828020009
>Recap of the day:
>Some of the tankers used in today's fighter transfers were part of the Sunday night surge, but not all.
>8 tankers from McConnell tonight have been positioned at Dover.
>Considerable number of CORONET/GOLD callsign tankers on ECONUS positioned last 24 hours.

>tfw you aren't aircrew or int so the only news you get is from /k/

>>63855616
idk apparently GOLD is
>GOLD any tanker enroute to the UK (also KC-135R)
according to this site https://henney.com/chm/callsign.htm

>>63855630

>>63855505
Is Macron helping Iran?

>>63855778
Would you pass up the opportunity to sniff F-16 and F-35 radar signatures if you were a perfidious frog? Doesn't have to send the data anywhere but home.

>>63855778
He's been arguing against regime change, because he's a retarded cuck so, in a way, yes.

>>63855704
what do i do with this info

>>63855505
>>63855519
>>63855778
>Is Macron helping Iran?
I'm sure NATO is all-in on neutralising another Russian proxy and weapons reserve, as well as just generally cleaning up the region a bit.
Well, not all-in in the sense of declaring war or even saying that anyone should but all-in on background, non-public deniable support like AWACS and fuel tankering.

>>63855704
I don't know what that means

>>63853935
>Trump is all about deals and leverage and shit
Yeah, but he's increddibly bad at it.

first time ive seen a b52 pop up on here
its probably nothing

u.s. tankers over jordan

>>63858958
They've been there this whole time to be desu. The ones heading east from the US are the big news.

f18 circling near D.C for a while now

Man I remember early in the Ukraine War people actually cared about FR24 and got all hot and bothered over FORTE1 and shit.
>EMERGERD BIDEN IS GOING TO KILL US ALL WITH WW3 WITH MIGHTY RUSSIAN BEAR NOOOO

>>63849758
>Does Donald Trump seem like the kind of person capable of being embarassed?
Yeah, image is everything for narcissists. Now shame, that I doubt.

I hate the nothing ever happens meme because things are happening constantly all the time.

>>63849844
Yeah, because unfortunately people trusted Bush. Nobody trusts Trump.

>>63849893
Well it's probably a lot further now.

>>63859168

>>63859168
we are on the edge of a happening, but i am also leaning towards nothing ever happens

>>63859168
You'll know when shit is happening. It'll be on every channel, all day.

>>63849863
>article frames conscription within the defense of "freedom and diversity", but this idea clashes with the reality of an increasingly polarized German society. The article argues that Germany needs to move away from individualism and adopt a collective mindset.
>It claims that young Germans must fight not only for the country, but for the ideals of diversity that Stern promotes, just like the left around the world.

i wonder how many neo germans will pick up the call.

>>63859359
>It claims that young Germans must fight not only for the country, but for the ideals of diversity that Stern promotes, just like the left around the world
Lmao this reads like a parody

>>63859359
>just like the left around the world.
not again...

>>63849854
Being a small country with little resources in a world running on mass production bottom line undercutting, this is the inevitable result unfortunately. When the world had less people and they had access to the worlds resources and were a large 20%+ of the worlds manufacturing they were more relevant.
There is still value there, but its only in the people that are being replaced, and half of the educated ones now leave for higher paying jobs in other nations that can exploit natural resources to raise average wages.

Being a bong isn't a terrible life I hear as long as you keep away from the replacement retards.

Can the don make a decision already?
All this shit is edging me hard

>>63859436
They're about to go back into the situation room within the hour. I assume he's made a decision one way or the other. Also it was announced the Gerald Ford strike group would be leaving early for deployment to the eastern med.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1935416333904019546
>12x USAF F-22 Raptors bound for the Middle East are stopping over in the UK right now.

>>63859448
Sounds like it's gonna be a USAF campaign until the supreme leader capitulates or the IRCG and Army fight each other for leadership.
I don't suspect any ground force involvement

>>63859461
Realistically what are 12 F22s going to do when air supremecy is already established? It's not like you need to run cover for bombers when the entire F4 fleet is rubble now

>>63859462
Obviously there won't be any ground forces. They clearly aren't needed. A few more weeks of sustained and, with the US involved far more severe, bombing should be sufficient to cause mass revolts and, while not the IRGC, very possibly the defection of the regular to the Crown Prince. It's been reported multiple Iranian Army officers have already reached out to him through Mossad and CIA to declare their allegiance. The IRGC isn't really popular with the regular military either.

>>63859469
Shut up anon. They deserve to have some fun that isn't just shooting down a balloon.

How a plane so good and so beautiful get so cucked for so long by politicians and bureaucrats I'll never know.

What are they doing there? Looks like they departed from Rhodes.

>>63859469
22 is stealthier then the 35, so might be slinging some HARMs if Iran still has an ADN in the East.

>>63859469
Find out what happens when F-22s enter a combat zone? Genuinely, that's what everyone including the USAF wants to know. You can run all the training missions you want but if there's not someone at least trying to shoot at you or real targets that need to be destroyed you'll eventually just have to shrug and give it your best guess.

Does an E-3 have the radar range to cover Iran from here?

>>63859469
raptors will be flying caps to maintain air supremacy

>>63859486
Abu dhabi, according to that.

>>63859547
not in any unclassified specifications... That'd be a stretch to think that it was able to do that from there, but it can probably cover some incoming missiles flying over Iraq and Syria from there.

>>63859462
>Sounds like it's gonna be a USAF campaign
wrong, USAF would nee MENA bases to operate from. MENA states won't allow that when USN can just operate out of international water. see Yemen.

>>63859547
thats the same e-3 that was circling just outside of ukraine for the past week or so. guessing its for that war, not this one

>>63859567
>MENA states won't allow that
Hilarious that you would think this.

>>63859384
>That picrel
Wasn't the GDR gone within the year after that photo?

>>63859610
https://x.com/GeoPoliticJosh/status/1935230318933631377
>The evacuation of aircraft at Al Udeid airbase in Qatar is now visually confirmed. Satellite photography confirms the departure of all non-sheltered aircraft.
>The base is empty.

>>63859577
Unless Russia and Ukraine moved thier fighters into Syria, I doubt its for them right now.

>>63859154
>WW3
Do you think we've been fearmongered out? There's a million X slop accounts now called "WW3NEWS" and stuff like that. It's the antithesis to the nothing ever happens chud, where everything that is happening is a sign of an imminent nuclear holocaust.

>>63859272
>It'll be on every channel, all day.
It is. We have multiple 24/7 news networks.
Something is literally always happening. The the point that the one time that nothing actually did happen is a notable historical event.

>Trump privately approved attack plans for Iran pending final order, WSJ reports
fireworks tonight?

>>63859462
>until the supreme leader capitulates
Given that he's a high priest of a religion that extols the virtue of dying for your beliefs, and said religion is about the only thing keeping him in power, and he must be aware that Israel will invent reasons to attack him if they can't find any legit ones, I'd expect him to try to go down fighting.

>>63859946
dang ill have to get some beer and stay up and watch the show

>The US Air Force continues to maintain an airbridge between Europe and the Middle East tonight, with at least 8 C-17 Globemaster IIIs in the air.

Wonder what these 2 C-17's are up to, one from England and one from Ramstein, flying in formation. Special boy's getting a lift to the sandbox?

>>63860535
definitely leg 2 of the RCH trip from the states. bringing missiles and bombs is my guess

keir starmer flying straight back to D.C after flying from the G7 to london yesterday
interesting