Could Iran have a chance against the IDF in a ground war?

Without air support? Yes. Otherwise no.

>>63851964 (OP)
Sure. If they make them fight for every house

Yes. They have a much larger population so meat waves are a valid tactic.

>>63852085
YESSSSSS DO EEEEET

>>63852085
didn't stop saddam in the 80s

>>63851964 (OP)
>Arab armies
>inb4 they are not arab

>>63852099
NOOOOOOOoooooooo theyre totally persians.... before they got ARABED and MONGOLED

>>63852097
Israel doesn't have US-supplied nerve agents like Saddam did.

>>63852099
They aren't arabs.

>>63852143
Anon, I...

>>63852162
If Israel had nerve agents, they would have already used them. Yes, I know ISIS used nerve agents in Syria, but they're just allied with Israel, they aren't actually a part of Israel.

>>63852099
>Nooooo my hekkin Persian bloodarinossss

>>63851964 (OP)
...Is he wearing puttees?

>JUDEAN PEOPLES FRONT ABDL SQUAD
>FUDGE YOUR PAMPERS IN 3, 2, 1...

>>63852180
It looks like his bloused pants hems rode up, exposing his socks.

>>63852167
Against who? I bet they have them but are holding them for some real bleak shit. Nothing theyve encountered since the 80s has challenged them existentially until now, and now is kind of proving to be a cakewalk.

>>63852214
whom*
Iran was not an existential threat to Iraq, and they used US-supplied nerve agents.

>>63852202
Oh hey, he swapped ip again. 5 days of melting the fuck down.

>>63852232
Iran absolutely was during that shitshow. But saddam was also just very gas happy, he slapped that shit on everything.

>>63852246
Iraq was the aggressor in that war lol

>>63852202
oh the irony of posting a photoshopped pic here

>1000km long supply lines through unreliable "neutral" shitholes

>>63851964 (OP)
No. They literally have no air defense.

>>63852254
For phase 1, but they got repulsed and were on the defense for the next phase. And they used gas in both. Improved upon it during the defense.

>>63852272
Yeah Isntrael occupying Iran is insane

>>63852097
it absolutely fucking did, have you even checked the wikipedia article for the war before making this retarded post?

Iraq got mostly pushed out of Iran by 1982 and the rest of the war until almost the very end was Iran trying to invade Iraq in return. Towards the very end the Iraqis made a successful offensive but both sides were largely spent in terms of offensive capability.

>>63852167
*Assad used the nerve agents in 2013 that his dad cooked up with North Korean assistance during the cold war. Once the OPCW came in and dismantled this chemical weapons program, North Korea came back in and rebuilt it for him, and he used them again in 2018.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43219614

>>63852412
meds

>>63852421
Assads gone bro he cant hurt you anymore syrian girl

>>63851964 (OP)
They have no use in fighting them on the ground. The only place you might see action is something like the US occupying their coastline.

>>63851964 (OP)
No.
>>63852085
>meat waves are a valid tactic
Without AD, SEAD/DEAD to enable CAS (which they don't have), they'd go from meat waves to minced meat in less than 24 hs. Remember the Highway of Death?

>>63852152
>Believe in supernatural hullabaloo
>Brown
>Cartoonishly amoral
>Corrupt
>Despotic autocratic regime
>Engage in / finance international terrorism
>Face saving culture
>Fuck goats
>Garbage soviet kit / domestic variant of garbage soviet kit
>Hate Israel and the West
>Incompetent in all facets of warfare
>Mistreat women
>No personal initiative
>Oil export based economy
>Squeamish about alcohol
>Tribalistic
>Wear towels on their heads
>Worship a pedophile
Same difference.

>>63852475
describes both Iran and Israel. Arab on Arab war

>>63852085
I’d love to see iranian meat waves. real meat waves, none of these lame 60 man charges you see coming out of ukraine. thousands of iranians turned to paste in minutes by mortars and machine guns.

>>63852457
That's only possible with a large Air Force. Israel is tiny.

>>63852539
Good thing they have a one ton ton gorilla behind their backs with an easily manipulated retard at the helm.

>>63851964 (OP)
Literal IDF armour corps reservist here.
This is a difficult question, as neither have been tested in a conventional war in decades.
Israeli army is battle tested and experienced now, but I'm unsure that experience would translate to conventional warfighting.
Our tanks are pretty good though so it might tip the scale.
Of course none of this world matter because air force would absolutely tip the scales here.

>>63852539
Israel has a larger air force than any in Europe.

>>63852588
The comparison was to America tho.

>>63852588
True, though if you count in European NATO as a whole then it tips the other direction. I think the current largest air force currently in Europe that's under a single "command" is that new Nordic one they made which is Fin+Swe+Nor+Den as a single unit, which is about half of Israel's in size.

>>63852572
Do you think it's right that Americans don't have nationalized health insurance and Israel would not be able to afford their national health insurance system if we weren't subsidizing your military budget?

>>63852588
No European country could pull what Israel did in the past 5 days.

>>63852572
>tanks might tip the scale

Tanks wont do you much good in a country like Iran. The topography isn’t suitable for heavy tracked vehicles.

I don't doubt that your infantry are some of the best in the world though. Advanced and well skilled in urban combat. However, I would argue that your army would struggle with fighting against a conventional army considering the only experience they really have is against low trained, starving and under equipped insurgents.

>>63851964 (OP)
IDF can barely even face Hamas in ground engagements, so yes

>>63852937
Because hamas is hiding, dead, or captured lol

>>63852937
>hamas firing 3,000 rockets a day in october 2023
>hamas firing 3 rockets every quarterly year in June 2025
why'd they stop? Good will gesture?

>>63852731
>israelis
>skilled infantry
They’re more bottlefed bitches than muhrines. The videos that have managed to leak out showing their tactics makes them look just as bad as their sandnigger brethren. They crumple the second they receive fire and wait until daddy f35 bails them out.

>>63852731
Why would Israeli forces need to capture the interior of Iran? The entire economic lifeblood flows from the coast.
>well if they don't then Iran can just sit in the interior
And keep getting bombed.
>Israeli forces only really have experience fighting insurgents
That's who they'd be fighting within a couple months. It doesn't matter what kind of army you have if the other side has air supremacy and enough strike craft to prevent you from ever massing forces or materiel.
>but they could do it in secret
They can't even stop mossad from using ATGMs inside the capital for targeted assassinations, they're not going to be able to get four camels with a pkm on one of them together in the middle of the desert in secret.
>well that would leave their home front defenseless
It's almost like they've been systematically exterminating the groups near their borders that could exploit that.

>>63853058
>tfw the axis of resistance is still collapsed

>>63852487
Israel is the only one in the region without oil, and an IQ above 80. On top of being a democracy and a record of rinsing ragheads in every war.

>>63852539
It doesn't matter because Iran doesn't. They don't even have air defenses. Marching across Syria and Iraq would be suicidal. Not to mention Iraq and Syria have coalition bases and neither Kurds nor HTS particularly like Iran.

>>63853300
Israeli average iq is 92. Iraqi average iq is 90. The only reason continues to survive is because of American aid

>>63853300
Iranians and Israelis are both violent retarded Arabs.

>>63853343
>>63853345
And here comes the brown squad, seething about our greatest ally defending itself.

>>63853402
The world would be better off if Iran and Israel and the entire middle east ceased to exist. They're all brown and dumb.

>>63853442
I'm glad we live in a world where my taxes make you foam at the mouth.

>>63853442
You're brown

How do the Heebs get to Iran anyway? They'll have to blob to Lebanon and Iraq first before they border Iran.

>>63853529
Post gun + outlet, non-American RPer.

>>63853529
>sandniggers that have institutional control of our political parties and aren’t allowed to say god are better than sandniggers who can barely maintain a political structure at all and fuck goats
Both are sandniggers who rape kids and you’re the goy of the year for cutting off your nose in spite of your face.

>>63853556
You first shitskin

>>63851964 (OP)

No. Israel has up to 400 nukes. There is no wining for Iran, they just can get good enough to get nuked.

Now lets say that Israel decides to play nice and doesn't nuke Iran under any condition. They still have complete air superiority. It's going to be Iraq and the Highway of Death all over again, but more shitty and poor.

>>63853550
see
>>63853556

>>63853558
>MUH JOOZ
>MUH AIPAC
You're brown. Post hand

>>63853552
Air lift to Iraq probably, on the ground from there.
>Inb4
Iraq isn't even a real country still, they'd just roll over when the US tells them it's what's happening

>>63853564
You first

>>63853560
Post gun + outlet

>>63853591
see
>>63853594
Your turn
>inb4 the foreign shills don't post a gun or an outlet

>the faces of the IDF

>>63853562
>It's going to be Iraq and the Highway of Death all over again, but more shitty and poor.
And let's be real; who doesn't want to see that happen again?

Ground offensive would be a bridge too far, the Gulf Arabs won't allow Israel to cross their countries with armored vehicles even with America backing them up.

The Gulf Arabs are aware that they're next and are just biding for time.

>>63853644
The Arabs wouldn't allow the Iranians to cross their borders without being bombed too. They hate thrm even more than they hate the Jews.

Well maybe the Shiites in Iraq would but the Iraqi government is the 3rd most powerful armed group in Iraq.

>>63853617
>these are the people calling Americans brown for not support them

>>63853594
>no hands
Of course you're a sand nigger kek, doesn't matter how many guns you own

>>63853617
>>63853558
emergency UN diaper shipment when?

>>63853663
>t. Non-American nogunz

>>63853670
see
>>63853442
The best ending we can hope for is nuclear war rendering the entire region uninhabitable for centuries.

>>63853663
>"you first"
>gun + outlet posted
nta but your turn

>>63853594
Timestamp puts you in the atlantic, i don't buy it

>>63853574
I’ll do you one better, David. Gun+hand+book of the good lord, the lord that your people mocked and murdered before he came back and btfo you and your false idol worshipping ilk.

>>63853690
idk how to change the timestamps on my pixel phone lol. I live in Illinois.
>>63853695
based

>>63853680
it won't tho, it's just gonna end with lots of dead muslims

>>63853695
Not him or an IDF shill but
>KJV
lol post your chick tract collection

>>63853695
>old and new testament
lololol

>>63853702
Okay, and how does that help me? The issue I have with the region is that everyone there is a grifter siphoning money away from America.

>>63853712
>old and new testament
just like country & western

>>63853714
But enough about trump

>>63853695
>everyone was kneeling out of respect
Based

>>63853731
You mean Zion Don? He's hardly unique; the entire government is occupied by zionists.

>>63853714
yeah, okay, cool, I get it. Just I'm saying nothing will change besides there being lots of dead muslims. anything else is just LARPing online

>>63852444

>>63853748
>LARPing online
>Live Action Roleplaying Online
dumb zoomers have been misusing this term for a full decade now. IT'S NOT LARPING IF IT'S IN TEXT FORM IT'S JUST RPING
JUST SAY RPING, IT'S LESS LETTERS

>>63853738
maybe vote for AOC and the troons next time, idk what to tell you. I'm enjoying his term so far.

>>63853761
>the entire government is occupied by zionists.
Voting doesn't matter lol. The government is of, by, and for Israel.

>>63851964 (OP)
I mean the IDF would have to invade Syria and Iraq just to get there. Same for the Iranians. The sea route would expose them to the peaceful people who took Trump's great deal and the Iranians would have to deal with people who want them to be at least as wrecked as they had their mad dog wreck Iraq for them.

>>63852731
>conscripts
>some of the best infantry in the world
Kek

>>63853778
>>63853552
This is what Im interested in. Eventually Iran will run out of long range missiles so they’re going to have to resort to saving face some other way. Either through sleeper cell attacks or strong arming Iraq and Syria for access to Israel. Guess which one sounds more likely?

>>63854203
They'll just keep getting bombed until they capitulate and do whatever they're told. There is no "saving face" at this point. They've been beaten and embarrassed on the world stage and every single cope they've thrown up has only looked more desperate and pathetic. They're going to have their nose rubbed in shit like a misbehaving dog and they're not going to be able to do anything about it.

>>63851964 (OP)
in a defensive war perhaps, but that's more on it being a major pain in the ass for Israel to put any kind of boots on the ground in Iran at any kind of scale. I'd wager Israel could get a battalion of light infantry + whatever SOF they already have in country if they wanted to conduct an assault on say those deep underground mountainous nuclear production facilities, but I don't think they'd be able to do much more than that on the ground.

>>63854203
I thought it would take weeks for Iran to run out but by day 5 they’re already firing about 10% as day 1. Imagine day 10 and day 20

>>63851964 (OP)
Israel has only ever fought militias for the past 51 years, and even then their performance is hit and miss.
Not only that, but they lost to Egypt in their last conventional war, even if they won to Syria.
inb4
>Implying Egypt won
To elaborate,
>Sadat aims to take and hold the east bank of the Suez Canal to negotiate for a return of the Sinai Peninsula from a position of strength
>Operation Badr goes off without a hitch and Egypt occupies the east bank
>Assad fucks everything up in the Golan Heights and begs Sadat to make unplanned diversionary attacks
>Sadat reluctantly agrees
>The Israelis exploit these failed attacks as an opening, make a breach in the center of Egyptian lines, and cross to the west bank of the Suez Canal
>Israeli forces wheel around to the south side, cutting off Egyptians on the east bank there, but get bogged down at Suez City, while the north half is still entirely under Egyptian control (left map)
>UN intervenes
>Finnish and other UN troops force Israel back across the Suez Canal
>Egypt holds the entirety of the Suez Canal from 1974 until a return of the Sinai Peninsula is successfully negotiated (right map)
I don't know what war you lose by achieving your strategic objectives and acquiring more territory than you started with. I'm not saying the breach in the Egyptian center wasn't a fuckup, but Egyptian pretty undeniably came out on top, and ended up fucking over the Arab world because it got everything it wanted.

Also, for added context, does this Israeli General at 1:14 sound victorious and triumphant? Or does he sound like a seething fucking loser, because he knows Egypt got exactly what it wanted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pqFWkUewso
>Definitely, I am unhappy.
Words that victors are known for saying, surely.

>>63853402
>greatest ally
Boomers need to be unalived en masse

>>63853750
>MP5
based
>qt arab girl feet
dangerously based

>>63854502
-ACK

>>63854557
Sadat winning and pulling out of the overarching Arab-Israeli conflict after getting what he wanted understandably pissed the remaining Arabs off.
That doesn't mean he didn't win.

>>63851964 (OP)
>On the offensive
No, it would be a slaughter. I don't even think they could get an initial advance halfway.

>On the defensive.
Obviously Israel is too small for a giant invasion. They also lack the infrastructure for those sort of supply lines. But Iran is actually minority Persian and there are many minority breakaway groups, so Israel would probably just support rebels from the air and with some limited ground component (very unlikely, but it's the most they could realistically do aside from America invading with them).

They could act as rebels air force and special forces and probably hold marginal territory and thus threaten regime legitimacy.

Presumably, if there was a properly aligned Persian rebel group, they could also assist them.

I would imagine that if the conflict continues on we will start to see proxies hitting stuff in Iran or even declaring independence. Iran already had to resort to shelling their own cities due to unrest before Hamas decided to commit suicide by cop and drag Gaza down with them.

>>63854578
>>63854502

If the 1973 war was such an Egyptian success why was Egypt expelled from the Arab league for making ties with Israel after. Shouldn’t they have been celebrating at the crushing Israeli defeat?

>>63852572
Whats your name i will look out for it in obituaries

>>63854601
To be clear, I don't even think Israel has the long term logistics to act as rebels CAS in the way the US did for the ANA, etc. The distance is really straining them. So any real advance worthy of commiting IDF special forces too, outside of espionage type stuff, would have to come on the back of rebel success and competence. But, if some wanted to role the dice and declare independence, I could absolutely see Israel helping to destroy assets mobilized against them.

>>63854616
I already addressed that in the second post you're replying to: because Egypt got everything it wanted out of Israel and was only operating out of self-interest rather than a united Arab goal in the first place, so it felt no need to continue war after winning.

I'm not saying Egypt isn't selfish; just that they beat Israel. They attained their objectives for the 1973 war and got exactly what they were after.

>>63852621
Kikes bombed a couple hundred thirdie civilians and a handful of their inept old man commanders while being handheld by cia the entire time. Israel will be scapegoated once the west is satisfied and done using them to batter arabs.

>>63852572
Iran being across hundreds of miles of hostile territory tips the scales back though. No doubt, they cannot invade you. You cannot really invade them either though.

Maybe if you had 40 million people you could muster an army big enough to plow through an unwilling Iraq and fuck them up, but not with current numbers and many being Israeli Arabs.

That's ok. We Americans live to serve. How would you like 500,000 boots on the ground and an air campaign?

>>63852621
UK and France definitely could have and likely done it better.

>>63853300
Israel iq is lower than americand with niggers included. Its a myth they are intelligent. They are underhanded sure, but in the long term jews have become a smaller % of mankind every century since the bar kokhba revolt. Ina century they will be extinct. Israels chimpout really is their dying breath. Once mid east is stable they will cut off and treated like the fanatical nonce state they are.

>>63854633
>when you win so hard all your Allie’s and your own population cry out in despair

>>63854658
>>63854638
Don’t worry I’m sure a ceasefire is coming any day now

>>63854662
>When you win but your allies and population want you to keep fighting for no personal gain

>>63854578
Jews count everything as a win, masada, holocaust etc, they realise a dead jew is worth more than a living one.

>>63854502
Incoming jew cope

>>63854677
I live in britain im eating ice cream rn, im surprised you get signal in your tunnel jewboy. Cope more, you will never know peace.

>>63854502
>Herzog noted that given the Third Army's desperate situation, in terms of being cut off from re-supply and reassertion of Israeli air superiority, the destruction of the Third Army was inevitable and could have been achieved within a very brief period.[215] Shazly himself described the Third Army's plight as "desperate" and classified its encirclement as a "catastrophe that was too big to hide".[216] He further noted that, "the fate of the Egyptian Third Army was in the hands of Israel. Once the Third Army was encircled by Israeli troops every bit of bread to be sent to our men was paid for by meeting Israeli demands."[217]
Nice revisionism, though.

>>63854750
>Should have
>Could have
>Would have
And you call me a revisionist?

>>63854502
>be Egyptian soldier
>invade Israel along with Syria in October 6th 1973
>capture the 500 fasting men Bar Lev defense line with an entire army of over 100,000 soldiers
>celebrate victory
>"okay, what now?"
>ff 2 weeks
>watch your entire Egyptian 3rd army crumble, 8000 captured along with you, thousands killed, completely encircled
>IDF captures more land in mainland Sinai than you captured in the Suez
>two more days and tens of thousands of soldiers die of dehydration due to lack of supply lines, leading to the inevitable collapse of the whole Egyptian frontline
>president cries to Brezhnev to stop the IDF
>USSR threatens the US with intervention, stopping the war
>"allah... we have failed, we didn't capture the Sinai..."
>return a few months later in a POW exchange deal, in which 8000 Egyptians get traded for like 200 Israelis
>ff 6 grueling years in which you knew you couldn't capture the Sinai and lost to the Israelis
>1979
>Israel signs a peace deal with Egypt
>ff 3 years, Suez finally given to Egypt
>"HAHAHAHA!!! ALLAHU ACKBAR!!! WE HAVE WON!"
>Meanwhile Israel completely wipes out the Syrian army (identical in its equipment and doctorine to the Egyptian army) in the first Lebanon war, indicating how easily Israel could have just not given Egypt back the Sinai and fuck it up militarily again
>Recognize Israel as a part of the deal,action so unpopular the president gets assassinated and you get shamed by all of the sand monkeys of the middle east

Damn you guys are so fucking retarded

>>63854796
>>"okay, what now?"
>>ff 2 weeks
Their objective was always to dig in and hold. However, when Assad started getting fucked up and begging for help, the Egyptians launched attempts at diversionary attacks that had no real planning or rehearsal as they weren't part of the plan.
>>IDF captures more land in mainland Sinai than you captured in the Suez
Debatable.
>>"allah... we have failed, we didn't capture the Sinai..."
>return a few months later in a POW exchange deal, in which 8000 Egyptians get traded for like 200 Israelis
>>ff 6 grueling years in which you knew you couldn't capture the Sinai and lost to the Israelis
They occupied the shores of the east bank that entire time. Their objective was never to take the entire thing, as stated.
>>USSR threatens the US with intervention, stopping the war
It's called political strategy. I know you Israelis are fucking terrible at it, so it may be hard to grasp.
The Chinese didn't lose the Second Sino-Japanese War, after all.
>indicating how easily Israel could have just not given Egypt back the Sinai and fuck it up militarily again
Should have could have would have.

Pic related for source on Egyptian war aims.
'Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991' by Kenneth M. Pollack, p. 101
>To his mind, all that was needed was, "the canal crossing and ten centimeters of Sinai."

>you guys
I'm an Irish American lol

>>63854847
>Their objective was to dig and hold
>advances to help Assad
Choose one
>Debatable
No, it isn't
>They occupied the shores of east bank that entire time
They lost the western shores in return, debatably, more important shores. The shores they have captured couldn't be held for long because Israel encircled the 3rd Egyptian army, even without a fight, they would simply die of dehydration.
>political strategy
Sadat's political strategy included getting assassinated by his own people for recognizing Israel? Egypt's political strategly included recognizing Israel?
>Should have could have would have
Israel won 1973 war militarily despite subpar weapons in many categories and an obvious quantitive disadvantage, when Israel gave Egypt the Sinai, 1979-1981, out of good will, it had F-15s and F-16s, AWACS aircraft, great electronic warfare, new tanks, night vision technology etc, Israel was significantly stronger than Egypt and was way stronger than Egypt. It only gave Egypt the land because it benefitted the US (swayed Egypt away from the USSR) and because Israel prefers peace than war, and the decision proved mostly correct, because no war has occured since.
>To his mind, all that was needed was, "the canal crossing and ten centimeters of Sinai."
That's not a victory condition, that's simply a delusion. They militarily lost, and for every 10 centimeters they gained in the Sinai, they lost 15 centimeters in mainland Egypt.

I am not here to argue about political victories, I don't give a shit about that, and even then, Egyptian political victory included sucking up Israel's existence and recognizing it, something it vowed not to. Political victories are subjective, and Egyptian "political victory" didn't exist until 1979 Camp David accords, 6 years after the war.

>>63855031
>Choose one
No, don't think I will. I think you should get a better grasp on how war works.
>No, it isn't
Yes, it is. The IDF were still fighting for Suez City when the UN rolled in. It's debatable what exactly they "captured," let alone if it's as much as what Egypt captured on the east bank.
>They lost the western shores in return
No they didn't. You can clearly see that on the UNEF II map to the right in the image I originally posted. Your forces had to pull back across the Suez and leave the western bank until you returned the entire Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
>Sadat's political strategy included getting assassinated by his own people for recognizing Israel?
Whataboutism that has nothing to do with the war itself.
>Egypt's political strategly included recognizing Israel?
This might surprise you Israelis but most of the Arabs states wouldn't have a problem with you if you didn't occupy land illegally and didn't attack them for no reason.
>Israel won 1973 war
By losing territory? Gotcha.
>Israel prefers peace than war
The only time you've made peace is when you've lost and been forced into it.
You're incapable of seeing the reality that Egypt won because it would prove false your entire nation's strategy over the past 76 years.
>That's not a victory condition
That literally is. If Sadat launches the war to get the canal crossings and 10 cm of Sinai, then he wins if he gets the canal crossings and 10 cm of Sinai. Objectively.
>they lost 15 centimeters in mainland Egypt.
Once again ignoring the UN made you pull back.
>I am not here to argue about political victories
War is an extension of politics; failing to realize this is why you Israelis have never achieved a strategic victory, only tactical ones.
>Political victories are subjective
Egypt said it wanted the canal crossings and 10 cm of Sinai, and got the canal crossings and 10 cm of Sinai. That's about as objective as it gets.

>>63851964 (OP)
If they shared a border? Yes.

However they don't and they can't extend a ground force to Israel even if everyone on the way helped them because of words that have never been spoken before: They lack the one thing Arabs do well, logistics. Arabs make a mess of it but they (mostly) never lose because they are out of food, fuel or ammo they lose because they suck at literally everything else.

Iran could (may Allah/Jesus/Sung forgive me for saying such a thing) learn from the Arabs in that area.

>>63851964 (OP)
>ground war
>between Iran and Israel
Neither have a chance in any ground war against each other retard, have you looked at a map of where these two countries are?
>>63852962
>why'd they stop?
Carpet bombing everything that moves in a dead flat plain that's a literal firebox surrounded by the most fortified border on earth does that. You don't exactly have to be Harold Briggs to force the Palis into a defensive crouch given their situation.
>>63853562
>MUH NOOOOKS
You retards sound like Russians whenever you bring up the Samson meme. Israel would be a North Korea-tier pariah if it ever used nukes offensively and knows that very well.
>>63854203
>Eventually Iran will run out of long range missiles
People said this about Russia too until they started magically getting all the resources to make infinite missiles from somewhere. Certainly NOBODY would have anything to gain in tying America down in this region as much as possible...
>>63855114
Something ig I find fascinating about this conflict is that it's a conflict entirely fought by limited strategic bombing using precision weapons as opposed to any ground campaign. It might be one of the first wars ever fought like this.

>>63855085
>No, don't think I will. I think you should get a better grasp on how war works.
You're the type of person that would go to a casino with a fixed budget, lose your house gambling and would delude yourself into thinking you you didn't just lose your house
>Yes, it is. The IDF were still fighting for Suez City when the UN rolled in. It's debatable what exactly they "captured," let alone if it's as much as what Egypt captured on the east bank.
Suez City was bound to fall when the Egyptain 3rd army would run out of water. It was encircled.
>No they didn't. You can clearly see that on the UNEF II map to the right in the image I originally posted. Your forces had to pull back across the Suez and leave the western bank until you returned the entire Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
Our forces were advancing. 3rd Egyptian army was about to fall, militarily, Israel fucked Egypt up. To the point the Egyptians had to cry to the USSR to intervene.
>Whataboutism that has nothing to do with the war itself.
Lol, you talk about Sadat's delusional definition of a victory - crossing the canal and capturing ten centimeters of the Sinai (while disregarding anything that happened after that), claim that because Egypt achieved this goal, Sadat won politically, but completely ignore the political prices Sadat and Egypt paid (recognizing Israel, getting assassinated). This isn't whataboutism if you talk about political victories, I know you Irish are fucking terrible at making arguments, so it may be hard to grasp why it isn't. Pretty easy to win any war with the way you describe, just declare some stupid irrelevant war goal, and ignore all of the prices you paid for temporarily achieving this goal.
>This might surprise you Israelis but most of the Arabs states wouldn't have a problem with you if you didn't occupy land illegally and didn't attack them for no reason.
Talking in terms of "illegal occupation" in defense of Arabs, people who got 21 countries via exactly that, lol

>>63855216
>just declare some stupid irrelevant war goal, and ignore all of the prices you paid for temporarily achieving this goal
You just described every conflict the U.S and Israel have fought since the Gulf War lol, projection much?

>>63855216
>You're the type of person that would go to a casino with a fixed budget, lose your house gambling and would delude yourself into thinking you you didn't just lose your house
A better analogy would be going to a casino hoping to make at least $100, and leaving after having made exactly $100; nothing more, nothing less.
>Suez City was bound to fall
>bound to
More should have would have could have shit. Point is it wasn't captured.
>Our forces were advancing.
Doesn't matter; my point is that they were forced to withdraw by the UN. You gained no territory from this war.
>(while disregarding anything that happened after that)
What happened after that is that the UN intervened and forced your forces back over to the east side. I almost pity you that your cognitive dissonance is so bad that you can't seem to grasp this very simple fact.
>but completely ignore the political prices Sadat and Egypt paid
Events that take place after winning a war do not change that the war was won.
>just declare some stupid irrelevant war goal, and ignore all of the prices you paid for temporarily achieving this goal.
... I mean, yeah, that's war for you. I'm glad that you're finally learning the definition of war after all this time.
>Talking in terms of "illegal occupation" in defense of Arabs

So you admit that you're centuries behind the rest of the civilized world and still operating on pre-WWII colonial logic?

>>63855251
>they were forced to withdraw by the UN
So your argument is that Egypt bested Israel because Egypt had to be saved by the UN?

>>63851964 (OP)
All I know is Iraq would be fucked

>>63855085
>By losing territory?
Watch attached image, Egypt lost more land than it had at the start lol
>The only time you've made peace is when you've lost and been forced into it.
You're incapable of seeing the reality that Egypt won because...
Typical correlation!=causation mistake. One could say that the only time we made peace is because the gains we made from that peace were greater than the worth of the Sinai. I could say that in our eyes, we neutralized Egypt politically, by making it dependent on US aid and weapons (i.e. to this day they don't get BVR missiles for their F-16s) rather than being dependent on the USSR, controlling all army formations in the Sinai, and now they even intercept missiles and drones for us. Tell that to an Egyptian in 1973 and he would kill himself
That literally is. If Sadat launches the war to get the canal crossings and 10 cm of Sinai, then he wins if he gets it
Are you retarded? so if he declares his war goal is to get nuked by Israel and have his wife fucked by Moshe Dayan and it happens, that means Egypt won? What if his war goal is to do a backflip but he fails, that means Egypt lost the war? just because some retard, even if he is the president of Egypt, declares a war goal, doesn't mean the achievement of that war goal is objectively viewed as a victory by the rest of the world.
>Once again ignoring the UN made you pull back.
So Egypt couldn't pull us out militarily, got it
>War is an extension of politics; failing to realize this is why you Israelis have never achieved a strategic victory, only tactical ones.
Well then if you could wait 6 years until after the war ended to declare victory because of stuff you gained from politics, what's to stop me from choosing a point of time that benifits Israel, like I did before? Israel won militarily, it fought harder, smarter, better and ultimately captured more land. The decision to give away the Sinai was because it provided us a political victory, due to the reasons above.

>>63855251
>A better analogy would be going to a casino hoping to make at least $100, and leaving after having made exactly $100; nothing more, nothing less.
Except they didn't make any money but in fact lost it, and remained homeless for a considerable amount of time, but the casino owner was feeling generous and gave you back the house, while also profitting from it because it swayed you from being dependent on the USSR which Israel had 0 influence on, into being dependent on the US which Israel has plenty of influence on.
>More should have would have could have shit. Point is it wasn't captured.
Encircled. Militarily speaking, it was dealt with.
>What happened after that is that the UN intervened and forced your forces back over to the east side. I almost pity you that your cognitive dissonance is so bad that you can't seem to grasp this very simple fact.
UN didn't force anyone, UN can't do shit, it's a useless organization. Again, Israel pulled out because Israel was looking at the big picture, and knew neutralizing the USSR and making Arab countries dependent on the US means long term peace with them.
>Events that take place after winning a war do not change that the war was won.
When are wars won? right after the end of the conflict? or whenever you're comfortable with the results at that moment? Egypt didn't get the Sinai for 6 years after the end of the war, at what point of time has Egypt won?
>... I mean, yeah, that's war for you. I'm glad that you're finally learning the definition of war after all this time.
No, it's not a war for me, no one views wars like that, you have to be retarded to see wars that way. Wars have objective results, anyone could subjectively interpert them, I am not here to argue about such a subjective interpertation, even though as I showed you I can make it a political victory for Israel by choosing the point of time that benefits me the most, I believe this is a pathetic waste of time.

>>63851964 (OP)
...Iran couldn't even invade Iraq successfully. There's no way they can ever enter into a ground war with Israel, it's impossible for them to reach them.

>>63852475
>Believe in supernatural hullabaloo
*tips fedora*
>Brown
true, but some are less brown!
>Cartoonishly amoral
That's the jews
>Corrupt
True
>Despotic autocratic regime
Mostly true
>Engage in / finance international terrorism
based
>Face saving culture
true
>Fuck goats
nah
>Garbage soviet kit / domestic variant of garbage soviet kit
They have a tiny bit of western kit left
>Hate Israel and the West
true
>Incompetent in all facets of warfare
true
>Mistreat women
based
>No personal initiative
false
>Oil export based economy
true
>Squeamish about alcohol
lmao
>Tribalistic
Wrong, Persians haven't been tribal for millennia longer than white people.
>Wear towels on their heads
Sometimes
>Worship a pedophile
How old was Mary when God impregnated her? 12.

>>63852085
The Human Wave shit really didn't work out for them even against the largely incompetent Iraqi army in the 80s. Whats to say it'll work against a force that's been XP farming sandniggers for the past 70 years.

>>63855488
>didn't work out for them
They were on the offensive almost entirely after 1982 and weren't back on defense until the very tail end of the war.
>largely incompetent Iraqi army in the 80s.
Incompetent true, but the Iraqis had the biggest and blingiest military in the region by a mile given they had robust gibs from pretty much everyone in the world (especially France and the USSR), and also used chemical weapons extensively against the Iranians.
Not defending Iran's dismal performance in the war in any way, just clearing up your claims.
>a force that's been XP farming sandniggers for the past 70 years.
They've been doing this to neighboring small, flat, unstable desert countries via their S-tier air force. Now they have to do so in a geographically varied, distant country with far more strategic depth. It's uncharted territory for them.

if iran had actual nooks they would have used them already, muh high threshold is just pure /k/ope
also good luck convincing the gulf states (mainly saudi arabia) as either side to allow any land convoys to and from israel/iran
in fact good luck trying to convince jordan as israel while iraq doesn't want any more trouble by hosting iranian troops where their country becomes a target again
the gulf arabs hate both jews and iranians, they know they're next on netanyahu's crosshairs but also want to see tehran get rekt
saudis bought nukes from pakistan that's why they don't give a shit and don't look scared

>>63855520
On the offensive, yes, but at terrible casualties even with modern western equipment and the vastly superior air force. Iraq was rocking somehow even more dogshit tactics, an air force older than half the people in this thread, and had a habit of executing anyone competent enough to *not* wait to die in a bunker. And Iran still couldn't pull a victory. I just don't see them being the ones to finally bring down the big nose tribe.

>>63855520
Mind you, my assertations all rely on Iran being the ones to march an army across Iraq and Syria. Israel simply does not have the logistical and diplomatic capability to take the offensive over land. Much less with an unstable homefront.

>>63855181
>>>63855114(You)
>Something ig I find fascinating about this conflict is that it's a conflict entirely fought by limited strategic bombing using precision weapons as opposed to any ground campaign. It might be one of the first wars ever fought like this.

I agree. Iran is doing everything wrong and it isn't like they didn't have good advice.

>>63851964 (OP)
>could third world country X win a war against first world country Y while having literally 0 air defense?
The answer is always no.

>>63855928
That is a objectively wrong statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-4N0xBpU38&list=RDV-4N0xBpU38&start_radio=1

>>63854715
>I live in britain
rip

>>63855520
why do they have to do it in iran? a ground war between israel and iran would presumably take place mostly in iraq.

>>63855913
>Iran is doing everything wrong
Iran's sort of just doing the best with what they have. Their air force is literally a relic of the 1980s as they have enough functioning F-14s and MiG-29s to do a faithful remake of Top Gun (but nothing more) while Russia/China clearly aren't willing to stick their necks out to give them substantial or overt gibs (Russia at most has given them a handful of missile/drone tech and some jet trainers from what I've heard, while China is just sort of absent despite historically being one of the only countries historically close to the regime) for a number of complicated reasons. Their air defense is mediocre at best and largely consists of FLAK, older Soviet systems (mostly S200 and a handful of 300s), and some theoretically decent domestic systems that are largely vaporware due to a lack of a strong manufacturing base.
So they go the quantity, unmanned, and less technical route of drones and missiles to make up for it instead given they have decent engineers and physicists but lack the domestic base or external support to do manufacture domestic equipment.
>>63856065
>why do they have to do it in iran?
Because if your goal is "regime change", only a ground campaign on the home front can make that a sure thing as strategic bombing's track record of overturning governments has a far shittier track record (it really only worked in Libya and that was under very different circumstances) given it usually rallies the victims around the flag.
>>63855928
>third world country
One of the biggets misconceptions about Iran is that it's some Afghanistan or Africa-tier mega shithole when it's actually far more comparable to a place like Mexico or Thailand. Most people there are urbanized, have internet access, and aren't even particularly religious by the standards of the region (as much as the regime would say otherwise).
It's very similar to late-stage Eastern Bloc countries in the 70s/80s in a lot of ways now that I think about it.

>>63851964 (OP)
How would they even deploy there and supply themselves? But just for fun:
>Against the IDF
Yes
>Against the IDF with unlimited American bombs and missiles
The IDF could break off a chunk of the country but not hold it all, it's huge and has a huge population
>Against Israel and the US
The country would be taken and we'd have the mother of all insurgencies and Europe would become nu-Persia with all the refugees

>>63853402
>our greatest ally
Lol

>>63853529
>Proud of his cuckoldry
That's a yikes from me, pal.

>>63853558
>in spite
you don't even know the saying esl

>>63854502
>return of the Sinai Peninsula is successfully negotiated
That negotiation was "you can have the Sinai back if you open the Strait of Tiraz up to Israeli shipping" which considering that Egypt closing the Strait of Tiraz was what sparked the Six Day War which cost them the Sinai in the first place isn't much of a victory. It's more like your parents giving you your toy back after you say you're sorry and won't do it again.
Basically Egypt started three wars (the Six Day War, the undeclared Attrition War, and the Yom Kippur War), lost tens of thousands of men, kneecapped their own economy for eight years straight, and had to cede Gaza to Israel in exchange for... nothing. Nothing at all. Sadat was killed by his own men, and Egypt went from being a regional power and one of the rising stars of the early Cold War era to a total nothing-burger, and the Arab world still considers that their big "win" against Israel.

>>63852152
Iran is legitimately the thing that made understand Arab culture is a cancer wherever it asserts itself or is adopted. Islam is unfortunately practically inextricably linked to Arabic culture, so if you embrace Islam, even if you're as white as Nordics are beautiful, you will become "Arab."
>>63855467
NTA but your entire post is literally "*tips fedora*" territory.
>How old was Mary when God impregnated her
Like this is seriously a 12 year old edgelord /leftypol/-tier take lmao, and I'm a godless agnostic heathen (that still thinks most people seem to really need religion).
>A real, living human man that's documented to actually have lived fucking a 9 year old "wife" is totally the exact same as a story that nobody knows *really* happened about a non-corporeal (meaning it's got no cock, ball, or cum) deity magically poofing a gestating fetus into a womb.
Zoomers are an unmitigated mistake.

>>63856601
>uhm my fictional child rape is real but yours isn't!
Get fucked Muslim

>>63852085
Meat waves aren't working out for Russia.

>>63860160
Lmao kikes hate when you point out how similar they are to mooslims. You are seething.

>>63860214
But they're not though? Kikes don't say God impregnated a 12 year old. Both Christians and Muslims do.

>>63856221
>when it's actually far more comparable to a place like Mexico or Thailand.
So a third world country, like he said.

>>63860191
sure they are. they're gaining land every day.

>>63860323
>Gaining land
>taking massive casualties against a much poorer and weaker neighbor
>despite meat waves can barely move the front line at all
if you call that working you're definitely brown and unemployed, you don't know what working is.

>>63860323
At the rate they're gaining land it will be 2300 before they take Ukraine.

>>63860332
if you have superiors numbers, casualties don't matter. just look at the korean war, they pushed america back with meat.

>>63860334
slow and steady wins the race

:)

>>63860337
>if you have superiors numbers, casualties don't matter.
Wrong.
>just look at the korean war
Indeed, just look at it. Which side is doing better?
>n-noooo but I said I won! That means I won!
Russia lost WWII. The biggest loser in the whole war. America won.

>>63860344
Russia will run out of population well before that point.

>>63860344
Slow and steady balkanizes the country after the government collapses and the entire population prostitutes themselves. Again.

>>63860346
>Indeed, just look at it. Which side is doing better?
America occupied north Korea and they lost it

>>63860353
>America occupied north Korea and they lost it
And now if North Korea offered to become US territory free of charge we'd refuse because it's worthless. They lost and China lost.

>>63860353
North Korea occupied south Korea and they lost it.

>>63860346
>Indeed, just look at it. Which side is doing better?

>>63860350
you can never run out of jeets

a lot of kippah in this thread

>>63860432
lmao this is hilarious, I doubt you could find a thousand Americans that haven't overeaten in the last 24 hours

>>63860449
only through chinese generosity

>>63860479
>>63860432
I love these
please post more

t. burger

>>63860766
I have another one with Americans living in the streets eating birds and rats, but I can't find it.

>>63860479
>>63860432
What's this? Some sort of grift? They seriously can't fall for something you can doublecheck from your phone.

>>63860912
it's a fact

>>63851964 (OP)

hahah OP
Iran is one big mountain.
Look at a MAP
Look at whats between Israel and Iran. Yeah its called Iraq. Any ground force will come under attack from Jihad forces in Iraq.

I cannot understate how Gnarly MOST of Irans ground is.

>>63860938
trump & kikes will just bomb it for a year or until they broke into civil war

>>63852099
The fact they aren't arabs just proves they're mentally-ill on a societal level trying to pretend to be sand people of all things.
Mentally-ill people don't make good soldiers.

Yes. Both are peasant militaries. The IDF has better technology but only professional militaries can leverage these technological force multipliers.

>>63851964 (OP)
Israeli ground invasion of Iran without US support would be comedy gold and last months before Israel ran away.
With US support it'll be another Afghanistan with 20 years and trillions wasted but this time with more casualties.

>>63853767
Qatari bribes will fix this

>>63860228
It's firmly second-world

>>63852097
You're right: Iraq famously conquered Iran.

>>63852364
Ground war doesn't neccesarily mean occupation, the US fought a ground war in Iraq

>>63851964 (OP)
No. Not even with air superiority and US backing. There's 1000km of hostile territory the supply line has to cross. Iran has mainly mountainous terrain and 92 million people living in the country. Active, well trained and experienced soldiers. Coordination and support from militias and other regional powers. And help from China and Russia.

This isn't Iraq 2003.

>>63861390
>This isn't Iraq 2003.
Yeah, it's much weaker. Israel already gutted all their actual warfare capabilities.

>>63861420
Foolish attitude.

>>63861424
Silence brown one.

>>63860479

>20% of American households versus 8% of PRC households
>Food scarcity in America is actually closer to 12%, but China is fudging the numbers
>That's about 17 million American households versus 120 million households
>That's assuming that the Chinese are not lying, which they always do
>The data that is available tells us that up to 50% of China's poorest rural inhabitants face moderate to serious levels of food insecurity, with child stunting rates of up to 12% in some regions

I mean, even if you could afford food, would you want to eat Chinese food if you could help it? They still hoard baby formula in Taiwan and Japan because they are afraid that their own domestically produced baby formula is contaminated with melamine.

>>63852085
Meat waves "work" in Ukraine because Ukraine have severely limited ammunition stores. Israel have unlimited access to the entire US stockpile, they'd never run out of ammo.

>>63861426
>IF YOU THINK A CONVENTIONAL INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF IRAN IS A BAD IDEA THAT'D EMPOWER RUSSIA AND CHINA UR BROWN
Mossad bros not sending their best today.

>>63851964 (OP)
No. IRGC in Syria was that chance and it had 0% chance of success.

>>63853680
>US causing another refugee wave to hit europe
please do not

>>63860323
Kiev in two weeks.
And then, Berlin.

>>63860191
Russia doesn't use meat waves and actually has fewer deaths than Ukrainian side

>>63851964 (OP)
Neither iran nor israel have any appetite for a ground war, mainly because they're not full of mindless automatons that can be sent off with a promise of 1 washing machine and 2 child rapes if they come back home alive. 1 sack of potatoes will suffice if they're back in cargo 200.

>>63861909
Cool, why aren't you joining up big man?

>>63861909
SAAAAR

>>63855467
>How old was Mary when God impregnated her?
Never stated at any point in catechism, the Bible, or any church canon.
Also:
She's the VIRGIN Mary, you sandnigger. She never had sex, even after, and retained her virginity throughout her life (Luke 1:34), including during the birth, as it was miraculous.

>>63861909
>Russia doesn't use meat waves

>>63862139

>>63851964 (OP)
Iran would most probably win in a defensive war. In the hypothetical case that Israel + the USA were to try to invade Iran like the mutts did in 2003, they wouldn't be able to hold any ground. Sure, they will absolutely have dominion over the Iranian skies and sea, however that advantage will be mostly nullified by the fact that Iran is littered with mountain ranges and other geographical barriers that would block any advancement inland.

This is not the 2010's anymore. Thanks to the war in Ukraine, it has been all but proven that to success in a invasion against another country means not only having a solid domain over the enemy sky and sea, but also being able to hold and gain ground in a battle of attrition. We need to remember that Ukraine had EVERYTHING going against it when the war started: shit geography, shit army, shitty goverment, so on and so forth. And yet, they have managed to endure.

Even without external help, Iran would be way more of a challenge to invade than what Russia has to face with Ukraine. They have a geographical and manpower advantage, more than enough resources to at least hold their ground in a defensive warfare, more than enought experience with asymetric warfare to harm the US and Israel with unconventional tactics, and the magic card of experience in drone warfare thanks to their intervention in the Ukraine war.

Invading Iran would be a massive strategical mistake for the US and Israel alike. What they should do is make use of their superior aerial power and pummel Iran from a distance. I doubt they will manage to stop their nuclear arsenal that way, but it's way better than the bloodshed it would mean an invasion.

>>63855259
I think he's claiming that Egypt won the war because they got what they wanted out of the war
Stop kvetching you dumb hook nosed retard, you're as brown as the towlies you seethe about

Given Iran's performance in the Iran Iraq war and their size I think they would totally flatten isreal, we're it not for isreals American air support.

But if scud strikes disabled isreali runways and airports, hit hardened fuel, hit hardened aerodromes, or if the Russians provided SAM to Iran then Iran would curb stomp isreal.

Putin is very angry about Ukraine, the Jews, and could provide Iran with further SAM units of the prize was F35s.

>>63862145
Think about what that means for a minute, without jumping to conclusions.

Interpreting data is a skill, you wouldn't want to allow your own bias to make you cone to a false conclusion, would you?
Remember Chernobyl?
>dosimeter says 3 rontgens
>only goes up to 3 rontgens
>"it's only 3 rontgens, not great, not terrible"
Don't be like Comrade Dylatov, Anon

>>63862406
If russia decides to go.. what even is this so called coriolis force. Nobody knows.

>>63862145
Russia is advancing and Ukraine is retreating, therefore Ukrainians dont come across russian bodies that much. They're just picked up by other russians as they advance. Russians pick up Ukrainian bodies in the positions they do take. Actual casualty numbers could be anything.

>>63852621
That's not necessarily praising the Israelis since Europeans arguably haven't really done any warfare since ww2. 80 years is long time, people get inexperienced, etc...

>>63862420
How many of Putin's home will reach shelter when you start it.

>>63862421
Your advances are amazing, let's see you do some more killer. You say Ukraine is basically not a country. Let's see how Onions un perdedor?
I'm a loser, baby, so why don't you kill me?
Onions un perdedor
I'm a loser, baby, so why don't you kill me?

>>63851964 (OP)
No- they're surrounded by mountains and it would be a matter of time before we'd go home, like we did w/ Afghanistan.

>>63862421
>They're just picked up by other russians as they advance.

Is no one gonna tell this guy?

>>63852621
>WW2
>Ukr/Rus
I'm sorry but isreal is fighting against literal iq 80 countries (not that it hasnt been proven that jews actually dont have as high of an IQ as it is often proclaiemd but thats besdies the point)

Im pretty sure compared to any modern conflict Europe has gone through, getting unlimited supply and having a huge tech advantage.
Isreal is litteraly just stealing candy from children, making themselves look bad doing it.
While literally being known for slavic subhuman tier warcrimes. (not that Arabs are any better dont get me wrong)

Would any of their neighboring countries have half the backing or Tech advantage isreal has.
This would probably turn in to something really bloody like Ukraine.

>>63860216
Yes correct the y believe we are all cattle and every jew will own Goyim slaves
That its ok to rape 4yo Goyim girls and many such nice things.
I bet thats also why Jews historically have always been so loved.
I bet its just that people only ever hated them because jews were simply to smart for their dumb cave man brains

>>63856383
Man posted skin color + bible + gun
your argument is invalid.

>>63861756
Lmao yeah im pretty certain the amount of people suspiciously in favor of one place has really gone up.
While at the same time no one is shilling for the other side, while any valid criticism is deflected as being brown.
Reminds me a lot of Zigger troons

>>63862397
>This

>>63862397
But Israel got what it wanted out of the war. That means Israel won.

Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from the few urban centers most of Iran is tribal territory so trying to get boots on the ground means that any invading force will be tied down to urban warfare and/or tribal shit in the hills and mountains. So essentially not winnable in any practical scenario. And once the invading force retreats the same situation can happen as did in Afghanistan as the tribal factions simply roll into major cities and declare themselves in power with no pushback.

Autocratic regimes with a highly centralized and focused power structure tend to fold fast once the mob leadership element is removed and everyone just gives up instantly, but maintaining and policing such a state would be a nightmare.

And even if the goal is to simply destabilize the regime and balkanize Iran, the only thing that will create is multiple extremist entities with an axe to grind and noone to keep them in check.
Not to mention that 90mil people in a chaotic environment is absolutely insane if left unchecked and allowed to radicalize.

>>63853552
>How do the Heebs get to Iran anyway?
>>63853576
>Air lift to Iraq probably
>>63853644
>the Gulf Arabs won't allow Israel to cross their countries with armored vehicles
Israel can just capture an airbase in western Iran and use that as a forward base.
Paratroopers could capture it, airforce can make sure there's nothing moving in the region to upset the plan and then the transports start landing.

Once settled in, the armour go look for a refinery or depot to ease logistic requirements.

>>63854203
>Eventually Iran will run out of long range missiles so they’re going to have to resort to saving face some other way
I think they'll run out of factories that build missiles by the end of the week.

>>63851964 (OP)
no

>>63854550
You can cure yourself by googling more pictures of her.
She's hideous but very good at posing in specific ways.

>>63862200
>Thanks to the war in Ukraine, it has been all but proven that to success in a invasion against another country means not only having a solid domain over the enemy sky and sea, but also being able to hold and gain ground in a battle of attrition
Russia doesn't control the sky or the sea.

>>63864271
>>63854550
>>63853750
>>63852444

>>63862113
Mary was child bride to Saint Joseph, both were jewish and child marriage was always paractised by jews, most of the prophets mentioned in the bible were jewish and not a single one had any issue with ''pedophilia''

>>63860432
>>63860479
So does China actually provide some kind of foreign aid to the US or are they just taking the piss?

>>63866452
>>63860912
They're obviously taking the piss with some funny memes, USSR used to do similar stuff back in the day.

>>63864815
>mary was child bride
>was child
It's okay, retarded ESL sandnog-kun. Breathe and accept the moral superiority of Christianity over the worthless drivel written by a desert pedo.
You don't have to invent headcanon to equate the good with the bad.
Mary's age is never stated in any Christian canonical text at any point. It doesn't matter if some Christ killers married too young. She wasn't. As proper Christians and the Holy Church married people at 20 years old, like Western Romans. Or at 16 at the earliest, like Eastern Romans.
Not prepuberescent children at a time when first period came at 14 years old.

And no, bethrothals aren't marriages, my brownoid screecher, and neither are extreme cases that required penance, repentance, allowed once a century in a case by case basis by extremely high officials due to extreme political circumstances.
It's okay, you can still convert and stop praying to the moon like the savages around you.

>>63864201
I genuinely do not give a single fuck, I just hate it when faggots like you make shitty strawman arguments
>Anon says X
>oh so you're saying Y????
Fuck off with that gay shit

>>63851964 (OP)

Depends what is the objective.

Conquering Israel no because they don't have the logistics to cross Iraq and would be bombed all the way.

Israel conquering Iran with ground war also no because they don't have enough people and Iran is both big and pretty stubborn. They would likely take some major cities and end up bogged down in insurgency like the US in Afghanistan just with less equipment smaller economy and far less ability to rise local army to support them without being stabbed in the back. They are still struggling to manage the open air prison that was Gaza even after bombing it into oblivion for years and demolishing big parts of it building by building. And somehow even with the borders all under Israel control and super limited supplies those guys are still managing to out up some resistance.
There is a reason the Israeli spend billions on US politicians to make the Americans fight their ground wars. Ground wars are expensive and messy.

So neither of them on their own can take over the other country in a ground war.
Israel would have the far better K/D ratio but the Iranian have the numbers and ability to keep going for decades and Israel can't lock in the borders like in Gaza so gun runners will find their ways to keep bringing in weapons. Also the terrain is a mess. And even the guys that despise the ayatollah and would want a democracy or the Sha back hate the Israeli. Just because the dislike the regime it does not make them any friendlier to the Israeli.

>>63851986
even without airforce IDF can defeat Iran because IDF has modern artillery and iran does not

>>63852255
>hamas piss themselves
yea because they were probably sitting like that for 6 hours
who is trying to fool who here?

>>63866452

How dumb can you be? It's a weird climate change ad. Besides china would be fucked even harder by fast rising water levels as most of their most important cities and industrial areas are near the sea

>>63866479
Jesus was brown and did not speak english and
you are a cafeteria christranny, you will never be a real follower of the Christ

>>63866513
and the IDF is utterly incompetent without american soldiers in israeli uniforms

>>63866513
Considering Israeli shell usage in Gaza, Israeli artillery would run out of ammo before it had any impact on Iran. Hamas was maybe 1/30th the size of Iran's revolutionary guard, and far more compacted.

Is Israel actually flying over Iran or are they lobbing standoff munitions from over Iraq?

I'm just curious as it provides a better floor on F-35 et al abilities if they're actually flying over Iranian AD instead of avoiding it entirely.

>>63864238
Israel has the capability to drop paratroopers into Iran but it'd be crazy risky, and they haven't really done that in combat since the 1950s in the Sinai (and it didn't work particularly well).

>>63868130
They're flying over Iran.

>>63868333
>hey're flying over Iran
Sauce?

>>63868496
NTA but look at a map

>>63864238
VDV vibes

>>63852085
>They have a much larger population
this just means lots more rotting meat in a modern war

>>63868505
Does the map depict Israeli planes?

>>63868333
Paratroopers win battles, not wars. Without follow-on forces they're fucked.

>>63868825
That's a good thing!

>>63852255
i always wonder why spammers post stuff like this. most 1st worlders think that prisoners of war should be treated well.

>>63864213
>any invading force will be tied down to urban warfare and/or tribal shit in the hills and mountains.
Not if the tribes sit it out.
Many have no specific grudge against Jews and every one likes money and most don't care for the ayatollah so would Israel make some quiet deals?
Have they been known to do anything like that?

>>63864213
>the only thing that will create is multiple extremist entities with an axe to grind and noone to keep them in check.
Also many moderate entities who can keep the extremists in check.

>Not to mention that 90mil people in a chaotic environment is absolutely insane if left unchecked and allowed to radicalize.
No, they'll urbanise.
Iran is a high tech nation of educated young people who are opposed under fundie religious whackos and a bunch of thugs using religion as cover for mafioso shit.
Flatten the assholes with JDAMs and give the citizens a chance and I think you'll see some changes.

>>63851964 (OP)
No.
Retards that they are they put all their money into the ballistic missile bullshit and Israel already called their bluff.

>>63868333
>Israel has the capability to drop paratroopers into Iran but it'd be crazy risky
They'd definitely want air dominance in the province they stage in and would probably want to eliminate basically all TELs and drone stocks first but I don't think it's not doable.

>>63868829
I assume it depicts israeli strikes and between those and the mountain ranges, it indicates the minimum extent of Israeli presence.

>>63855573
>Iran being the ones to march an army across Iraq and Syria
>Israel simply does not have the logistical and diplomatic capability
Honest to god, I'm not sure which scenario is less plausible.
Speaking off, what about a naval invasion?

>>63868830
>>63868333
Paratroops don't even win battles, they take tactical objectives swiftly in battles and without near immediate support from ground elements they then get wiped out.

The point of paratroops is to disjoint the enemy line and force the enemy to divert forces to deal with them. On their own they are a pre-cutoff unit with no supply lines and generally hold out for a couple days at best.
The famous hold by the 101st at Bastogne was not a jump they rode in on trucks with whatever supplies they could scrounge on the way and they had armored, medical, regular infantry, artillery and air support. They were not fighting as paratroopers there they were fighting as an elite supported light infantry force and the only reason they didn't get wiped out there was the the german offensive was on the clock and those in command didn't want to divert forces to overrun them. They expected the cutoff unit to surrender, cus thats what sane cutoff units do, when they didn't surrender it turned into a siege Even then the siege only lasted 6 days.

>>63869188
neither side has the means.

>>63851964 (OP)
they can't go at it with Iran while also defending themselves from any one else that wants to rip them a new one, so no. engaging with Iran leaves them open unless the US is also heavily backing them up to fill in the gaps

>>63869396
Donald seems reluctant to do so because he can't reconcile defend Israel and isolationism/no more foreign interventions to his base. The strategy seems to be to delay and drag his feet and hope the situation resolves itself.

>>63869492
I Almost think this was a calculated move by the kikes thats backfiring, They wanted to make him a lame duck who existed only to serve them by making him betray his base.
He would have no influence left at home to do anything at all and would go down in history entirely as a zog toad.
But the war/Israel in general is wildly unpopular and his approval would literally never recover since a large fraction his core voted for him specifically as an anti-war vote.

And he's terribly vain. The only way he can have a positive legacy and the only way he can actually be president for 3 more years is to hang them out to dry.

>>63851964 (OP)
>ground war
I thought the plan for both Israel and the US was to just blow Iran to smithereens repeatedly until they can't produce anything independently anymore.

No.

Israel lacks significant armor, most of their army are teenage kids not profession soldiers, historically Israel has never won a major ground war, only bombed arab militias. They killed mostly women and children in gaza,there was no ground campaign at all, the Hamas fighters either hid or ran away.

Isreal also can't deploy it's forces, because the second it did it would get invaded by Egypy, Lebanon. The Lebanse are still angry about the last war. And for some reason cyprus hates Isreal.

This is essentially why it's an air war between the two countries

>>63851964 (OP)
not in a direct confrontation, due Israeli air superiority
But defensively they can just hide and attack from caves with drones and they would bleed the IDF dry