Thread 63852654

>>63852654 (OP)
You don't.

You get your mom to stand under the flight path and she'll intercept it with her massive girth.

>>63852654 (OP)
>>63852661
It's quite easy. Ten meters of reinforced steel would (very likely) defeat it. Concrete is really bad at protection because it is extremely fragile. IIRC it could only penetrate 10 meters of high strength concrete.

Let’s be honest here.

Last time American super duper high tech Stealth faces an opponent other than unarmed sand villagers it immidiately got shot down by an unemployed schizo Serb captain operating a 50 year old outdated anti air system at the time.

If China and Iran are prepared we might see the F35 shit the bed and infinite memes be born Kek

>>63852723
F-117 is decades old and obsolete, which is why we don't use it anymore. No B-2 has ever been shot down.

>>63852723
How many Israeli planes has Iran shot down?

With lasers.

>>63852723

You fuckers have had 29 years to rack up a body count of the Americans occupying your lands you have managed to kill not ONE. Not a single American has died at the hands of Serb bullets and bayonets. Literally more Americans have been killed by Croatian NDH LARPers blowing up train stations than the you “mighty” Serbs. The Muslims you despise so much in Iraq and Afghanistan have had half as long and yet both have managed to rack up American body counts in the four digit range and irrevocably damage American prestige worldwide.

So yes, I have more respect for those illiterate dune coons than I ever will for you filthy fucking Serb monkeys. You are literally lower than niggers when it comes to bragging rights. At least the niggers have Isandlwana, Adwa, and Mogadishu to their name to their name. What the fuck do you have? Shooting some Austrian Archduke and ruining Western Civilization for the rest of the century? Give me a break.

>>63852755
Even then, didn't they only get it because the F-117 kept using the same corridor for over a hundred missions before getting shot down? Wild how the serbs were so buck broken they made shooting down one plane made 40 years ago and got replaced almost 20 years ago their entire national identity.

>>63852723
>Last time American super duper high tech Stealth faces an opponent other than unarmed sand villagers
>the last time the us has used stealth aircraft was in the 90s
Have you been in a coma for the last 39 years?

>>63852723
>Let’s be honest here.
For some reason, I feel like you aren’t being honest.
The whole “muh Serb shoot down” argument has only ever been used to derail good conversations and discussions.
I’m sure you’ve had the events leading up to the F-117 shoot down explained to you a dozen times, so I won’t do that.
If Trump decided to bomb Iran’s remaining nuclear program, it would be a near-zero risk operation.

>>63852654 (OP)
Constant air patrols with IRST and heat seekers with no interval larger than 10 miles. The B-2 has some IR baffling features but it's still a big plane with big engines.

Dont attack your neighbors. Has US really participated in a war were regime wasn't already commiting atrocities against others?

Your even allowed to kill and sodomize your own people all you want and nobody bats an eye. But as soon as you start poking shit abroad you'rr gonna have a bad time.

>"let's be honest here"
>spewing the most disingenuous take
What is this condition called?

>>63852723
Actually, the F-117 flew the next night after the shoot down.

>>63852816
Contrarianism and it’s what’s ruining the board and most of the world.

>>63852654 (OP)
>sky is blue
>paint plane black
Amerifat education. Truly the west has fallen.

>>63852755
>>63852787
>>63852816
"F-35 isn't actually any good and can and will be shot down" is an idea that's getting heavily pushed in all zigger infested mental contamination outlets.
Hell, some of them are already claiming several aircraft shot down and the dawn of the new multipolar world order.

>>63852654 (OP)
interceptors. long range AA.

A comically large tennis racket

>>63852786
it was shot on the 3-rd day of the bombings, retard.

>>63852654 (OP)
Ironically, F-35s. EODAS is the best airborne IRST in the sky right now.

>>63852723
Don't you dare disrespect the Hungarian community like that.

>>63852654 (OP)
Hide in a civilian populating center. The US won't directly target these.

Retarded question.

>>63852903
How many sorties did they fly after that, I wonder...

>>63853329
kek

>>63852654 (OP)
what if you shot the bomb as it dropped?

>>63852763
At least two, with AI

>>63852723
>If China and Iran are prepared we might see the F35 shit the bed and infinite memes be born Kek
I can't imagine seeing what's happened the past few days and saying "if Iran is prepared"

>>63852763
Supposedly three.

>>63852654 (OP)
Quantum AI powered radar. Something the average chinese gradeschooler has available on their telephone. Psh, it's nothing implessive, really.

>>63854148
>*cooks rice behind you*
Hēi, nafin palsoneil, Gwailo!

>>63852654 (OP)
I turn the plane around and bomb Washington instead.

>>63853362
Who would shoot a bomb before throwing it out of a plane?

>>63852858
Well they're right about the new world order, it's just going to involve a whole lot less hearts and minds a and a whole lot more just bombing the fuck out of people that piss off the US.

>>63852654 (OP)
Isn't the penetration capability public?
Why don't these people just google "deepest bunker buster great satan air force" and dig twice as deep?
>oh no'shallah, is too expensive! and we are poor country
Your regime's suvival depends on these bunkers.

>>63854241
You're a big bomb

>>63852654 (OP)
step 1:
be american

>>63852846
it flies at night nigga

>>63852723
has iran shot a single f35 down? I'm not sure

>>63854315
yeah but my regime isn't worth it unless i can embezzle all the fucking money idiot

>>63854315
The thing about US weapons specs made public is they tend to err on the side of caution when they list them.

>>63852654 (OP)
Just have your jets patrol over important targets so when this thing shows up you can shoot it down. Even desert shithole like Iran must have 3rd gen aircraft so no way this fat fuck can out run it.

Hypersonic cruise missile spam the airport in which it s housed.

Hypersonic cruise missile spam the airport in which it s housed.

>>63854479
Then dig thrice as deep.

>>63854499
or build it under a mountain

Well, you draw your enemy into multi-decade-long conflict forcing them to spend a significant amount of their treasury on a pointless war - meaning they can't spend that money on maintaining their industrial or educational base or their infrastructure instead. Social upheaval and political turmoil is sure to follow.

Meanwhile, the main adversary of your enemy should be smart enough to avoid similar global adventures and invest all their resources in developing industrially and militarily themselves - to the point where they can start taking the lead in global economic and diplomatic power.

Eventually your enemy will be forced to withdraw and need to prepare for a desperate war to maintain supremacy against said adversary, which they will most likely lose (again, being behind by decades).

In short: the only thing you have to go is refuse to give up. Every hour of flight time of that bomber is another lost school year for a full class of your enemy's children. Every bomb dropped is another government subsidy that they can't hand out - causing businesses to shutter.

All ya gotta do is not give up the good fight (helps if you breed a lot of children yourself who you can encourage to get martyred).

>>63852812
you are screaming 'colonize me'. dont be needy

>>63854463
OBSERVE, the HATO DEFEATED

>>63852654 (OP)

Do what the Saudi and the rest of the Gulf states do: don't start shit you can't win and do trade and diplomacy instead. Buy a bunch of US politicians as well.

>>63852723
>50 year old

>>63854738
>the rest of the Gulf states do
like Iraq?

>>63854738
It's ceazy how easy it is and yet we see thirdy shitholes fuck such a simple process up time and time again. It really must be an IQ issue.

>>63852654 (OP)
The Power of Friendship and Diplomacy

>>63852654 (OP)
Dig an even deeper bunker

>>63852654 (OP)
grab it with the phys gun and mmb it back to the bomber

>>63852654 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33IfCt-fAOk

>>63852654 (OP)
A sturdy umbrella

>>63852654 (OP)
with my ass

>>63854148
Implesive,
most implesive

>>63852689
Ten meters of solid steel could stop a nuclear bomb.

>>63852654 (OP)
>open your radar
>detected a large flying object
>shoot it down

anything more you need?

>>63854463
Multiple. America's humiliation is so great that they are in denial, spamming AI fakes to confuse and obfuscate the real undeniable proof that totally exists.

>>63852654 (OP)
time machine let the nazi win, they would already have more advanced bombers. Since that design is still based on the stuff from nazi scientist.

>>63854463
No.

>>63852654 (OP)
Please consider this

>>63857579
>open your radar
>See jack all
>Get blasted by HARMs.
FTFY

>>63857706
but what of the kids playing on the trampoline?

>>63857862
>see the same mountain getting bombed by bunker busters multiple times
>set up multiple radars around the mountain, hidden of course
>wait for B2 to open Bomb bay doors
>lock on and fire

The tried and tested Serbian technique

>>63857988
There to trick the plane into dropping the bomb in the first place.

>>63857862

>see the same mountain getting bombed by bunker busters multiple times
>set up multiple radars around the mountain
>wait for B2 to Bomb bay doors
>lock on and fire

The tried and tested Serbian technique.

>>63858038
>>63858049
>serbroach fucks up and posts the same thing twice

>>63857651
The design is based on Jack Northrop's work on flying wings. He had a working prototype well prior to the Horton bros.

>>63858098
>>63858098
>Ver la misma montaña siendo bombardeada por antibúnkeres varias veces
>Instalar varios radares alrededor de la montaña
>Esperar a que el B2 bombardee las puertas de la bahía
>Apuntar y disparar

La técnica serbia, de eficacia probada.

>>63858049
>Wait, why would they keep bombing the same bunker?
>Wouldn't the first hit turn the bunker to rubble?
>Turns out it was bait
>Extra radar stations end up being knocked out by F-35 escorts
>B-2 was never actually there.

>>63858106
hilariously the hortens were heavily influenced by the XB-35, or rather, the super early design for it that they saw in the magazine Interavia

Northrop himself was into flying wings since 1928, and reached levels you couldn't even believe

>>63852689
The whole point of building a bunker under a mountain is that it's protected by hundreds of meters of granite, not concrete.
However, the media like to exaggerate the defences of Fordo. Take a look at Google Earth, the bunker isn't really under a mountain at all, unlike Cheyenne Mountain.

Coordinates: 34.8845°N 50.9981°E

>>63858209
That's something straight outta Crimson Skies right there.

>>63858134
Didn't save Belgrade now did it?

>>63858291
look, Northrop was, if anything, conservative and reasonable in his paper designs (if cutting edge in his physical ones)

the secret to understanding the military is knowing that for every single piece of equipment you see, there were like five dozen alternative designs in the running

individual companies would often submit 3 or 4 configurations for a single aircraft, and submit several entirely seperate aircraft concepts, then they'd iterate on all of this over months and years

>>63857706
Sorry bud, you've just been countered.

>>63852661
yes, you do

>>63858691
so, we just get Pfc.Fuckface with a pair of thermal imaging googles and have him scan the sky 24/7 and yell as soon he spot a dot somewhere ?

>>63858704
what? use satellites, picrel is the method of capture

>>63858713
>just have 24/7 live satellite coverage of your entire country bro
very cool

>>63858713
>spot cold on cold
>from a space thermal
I doubt it.

>>63858721
you know what norad does? the problem is interception, not identification or coverage
>satellite
no satellites, a lot of them

>>63858744
Why would NORAD be countering US weapons systems?

>>63858731
see >>63858713

>>63858744
>satellites, a lot of them
and no one has anywhere near enough

>>63858748
I'm saying it's possible to stop a bomber you dumb shit, the thread isn't about spotting the thing. That's already implied by the question

>>63858757
the US has enough for coverage of domestic airspace, other systems are employed as well to ensure you can't use fly a bomber over cities

>>63858753
Yeah i hear you, but that plane is being seen from below, not above. Yeah you can pull that shit in daytime, maybe depending on atmospheric conditions but not night. And then you'd need to have someone or something collect and monitor that data constantly in real time. Its just not gonna happen any time soon.

>>63858771
picrel isn't the mechanism used to initially spot an aircraft, it has no bearing on my point about stopping or intercepting it.

>>63858783
Kinda means a lot to see, target, shoot at, and hit something. Its all steps in the same process, there isn't a silver bullet that just answers all of this.

>>63858770
>the US has enough for coverage of domestic airspace
that's not how it works, either you have 24/7 coverage of the globe or you don't
orbitlets need to stay out of discussions like this
>other systems are employed
Yeah, air defense radars that do 99% of the job, especially since the only strategic bombers they need to worry about get picked up by fucking sonar as soon as they start up their engines. We're not talking about those, though. We're talking about a B-2 with a MOP.

I know the plane is stealthy, but the bomb? Probably not.

>>63852654 (OP)
If the terrorist regime of Iran surrenders unconditionally like Trump said so, this wouldn't have happened. Get a deal in now Iran or your entire regime will collapse and you'll be bombed by Israel until you get a deal in. It's that simple. We need to rally with the President and support him especially in a time of war right now. He's the Commander in Chief, so its time we show our patriotism and American loyalty by supporting Trump's moves towards peace.

>>63858827
Too transparent

>>63852723
>If China and Iran are prepared we might see the F35 shit the bed and infinite memes be born Kek
>If

>>63858833
The years of appeasement are over. IT's time we end this regime once and for all and support President Trump's policies no matter what. America will never abandon Israel and Trump made it clear that Iran will never get a nuclear weapon. It's time to finish this regime up and make them pay for attacking Israel like that.

>>63858801
>that's not how it works, either you have 24/7 coverage of the globe or you don't
why is that not how it works? are you read into classified satellite systems? please elaborate.

>>63858866
Go back to /pol/

>>63858795
>Its all steps in the same process
no it isn't necessarily. the system used to spot and the system used to target given you now have an awareness of the location aren't necessarily coming from the same systems

>>63858928
So a massive hypothetical sat system plus rider systems it now has to talk to. That is kind of my point.

>>63858801
Geostationary satellites exist, they watch the same side of the Earth 24/7 as their orbital speed matches Earth’s rotational speed.

>>63858948
>yes, we can teleport planes but no, it's too difficult to communicate between systems
ok, if that's where we draw the line

>>63858882
I'm not going to teach a class on orbital mechanics. Play kerbal space program or something.
>>63858994
Geostationary orbits only exist directly above the equator and the satellites are almost 30,000km away.

>>63852689
>Ten meters of reinforced steel
>dude just build a 320,000 cubic foot block of steel lmao
Are you retarded?

>>63859079
>I'm not going to teach a class on orbital mechanics
When you say:
>either you have 24/7 coverage of the globe or you don't
you're implying that's necessary for some type of functionality, not how the satellite coverage inherently functions. Otherwise, you're stating that you it's impossible to have 24/7 coverage of a specific area without simultaneously having 24/7 coverage of the entire planet which is false. I think what you meant to say is that satellites revolve around the earth such that you need other satellites to cover that same area in the time in which the other satellite isn't.

Given your original wording, it's perfectly reasonable to inquire about functionality.

>>63859164
A satellite that can track aircraft would have to be in a low orbit and will thus be travelling very quickly across the ground and will require a large constellation to achieve coverage.
A satellite that can linger over and scan a large region in real time would not have the angular resolution to detect a target the size of a bomber.

1. Don't let your enemy achieve a complete air supremacy
2. Assuming that you're a thirdie retard and having somewhat competent military is not an option, you need to convince your enemy that operating strategic bombers in your airspace it too risky.
Sure, B-2 is stealthy but it's not an alien tech - if you fly it right above the SAM, it will get fucked and you can't deliver MOP from a standoff distance.
Hide your radars and illuminate enemy jets for a brief second, then hide again. Dismount radar systems from some of your fighters, load them into trucks and do the same to increase confusion. Purposely let the enemy operate freely in some area, then launch a missile or two and hide for another week. Spam decoy SAM sites. Do whatever you can to keep up the illusion that you still have at least minimal AA capabilities.

>>63858437
But what if Chuck Norris were in the blind puppy and kitten orphanage? And Mark Wahlberg in the primary school with sexy hot babe teachers who are easy?

>>63859643
ok so you're admitting what you said earlier was nonsense. I can't trust your claims about classified systems you don't have knowledge of.

>>63859150
>>dude just build a 320,000 cubic foot block of steel
Yeah? Don't tell me you don't have one, anon

>>63859987
Sorry, I left mine in my other fursuit.

>>63859643
>diagram depicts a trans flag
what did the department of defense mean by this?

>>63859814
Chuck Norris will personally guide it onto Marky Mark.

>>63852654 (OP)
>>63852661
Build your fortification / complex at a depth of 150 feet or greater within a geologic stratigraphy of hard rock—tl/dr beneath a mountain—with additional placement of layers of armor (concrete, metallic, polymer, ceramic) drilled and installed into sections of the rock stratigraphy overlying the complex, along with similar layers of armor on the roof fortification of the complex itself at depth.

Non-homogeneous material layers of any kind will deflect the trajectory of a deep penetrator weapon enough to render it ineffective.

>>63852654 (OP)
A working, functioning, modern air force. A working, modern, functioning air defense capacity. Nuclear weapons.

Not antagonizing the sole superpower whose only standard for good relations with other countries is being able to sell you hamburgers and help them make the line in the chart go up also helps.

>>63852723
How come no planes are being shot down over Iran right now then

>>63852654 (OP)
Being white.

>>63852816
its called baiting for (you)s

>>63854536
Name one instance on earth where this worked

>>63859150
Waste of steel, use tungsten

>>63852723
>guaranteed replies
well done, brownanon.

>>63858038
>>63858049
The B-2 isn't the F117, and actually has a RWR and a very, very sophisticated ECM and EW suite able to counter any radar guided SAM on earth.

>>63865984
The amount of tungsten needed to build that would ring some alarm bells everywhere.

>>63852654 (OP)
Easy. Announce you're immediately halting your nuclear program and will allow 3rd party inspectors to verify this

>>63866122
but a pound of tungsten weighs like 10 pounds, so wouldn't need all that much

>>63858801
i just figured out Irans game
they are going to EMP the satellites with the nukes

is this why emp weapons were being shilled so hard 6 months ago?

>>63859079
>Geostationary orbits only exist directly above the equator and the satellites are almost 30,000km away.
Geostationary, yes. Somewhat geostationary (spending majority of the time above the same spot) can be put above anything. But still too far away, yes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit

>>63866428
Orbits like this still precess across the surface, in addition they require frequent station keeping maneuvers. Feasible for a handful of navigation satellites, not so much for a surveillance and tracking constellation.

>>63852654 (OP)
90 metres of granite mountain apparently does the job just fine.

>>63866197
This basically. Modern steel is made in china and is so light these days that 1 lb of it weighs like 3/4 of a pound.

>>63858226
its at an elevation of like 3000ft you shit brained retard
lmao the absolute state of /k/ is unreal

Why can't Israel just push these out of the back of a transport or modified commercial jet? If their non-stealth fighters can fly freely in Iran how much more in danger would a cargo plane be?

>>63868267
WTF are you talking about? The point I'm making is that the supposed location of the bunker is only 90m under the surface. It can hardly be called a mountain. Stargate Command under Cheyenne Mountain is a full 600m below the surface. Altitude is irrelevant.

>>63858757
What're the bongs up to?

>>63858809
>when you leave your self-propelled anti-air gun unattended in Tianjuana for 15 minutes.

If only you can catch it and decelerate it high above the ground. Maybe multiple metallic nets engineered by giant radio telescope makers will do the job.

>>63852723
This.
Paint it black they said. We're flying at night they said. Open the bomb bays they said

Shooting down that one aircraft was the greatest Serbian military victory in the last 800 years. Shame about literally every other part of that war though.