Thread 63855228

Post gear, discuss gear
/pfg/ is up so this is Gucci edition
Previous: >>63828628

in this thread we post gear

So I bought 2 FILBE hydration pouches, a sustainment pouch, and an extra canteen pouch -- none of which will fit onto my smaller-than-I-thought civilian 3-day pack. What do I do with this shit? Buy a sub belt or main pack or something?

>>63855256
dont try and turn a 3day pack into a ruck by adding a bunch of pouches, just buy a ruck

I hope we can gate keep the poor/practical axis of the chart out of this thread. Oh, and no infographix and no DIY and no zoomers and no gamers and no euros... who else should we limit speech of?

>>63855278
post gear faggot

Alright rough draft don't kick my ass too hard.

>>63855283
Omg, you're a poor! GET OUT!

>>63855299
Poor people are ugly.

>>63855299
are you the fucking no guns italian surp autist?
you're the one thats been shit talking armor and infographics for the last week?

>>63855287
>Condor
What are you doing? You have to be a troll at this point.

Anyone else know if I can get away putting 11x5 soft armor inserts for side armor if my cumberbund can fit 13.75x5.5 inserts or are they going to slide around and be an issue? Coverage should be fine, I'm just concerned if they're going to be sliding around a bunch in the cummerbund. Thanks.

>>63855313
13" cumberbund side
FAT

>>63855308
You are seeing ghosts you spastic, schizophrenic, poor person.

>>63855308
NTA but the infographics are total ass.

>>63855327
yeah, they are obviously made by a /pfg/ refugee, but wasting half the thread bitching about them rather than posting gear is fucking stupid

>>63855313
Just use pool noodle foam to tightly fill the gaps and you should be good to go with no added weight.

>>63855271
Couldn't attach more pouches if I wanted to, I've been able to fit everything I need for 2-3 nights so far though. Non-backpacker tent stuffs nicely into a barracks bag wedged in the big pocket thing between compartments, E tool and canteen/larp cup/stove strap nicely to the sides, hatchet/tent poles fit snugly into the side pockets, sleeping bag doesn't take up much space in the main compartment, nice open spot at the bottom for a rolled sleeping pad. Plenty of space for food, clothes, and little kits. Am I forgetting anything major?

pic ain't mine

>>63855327
The radio v2 was interesting. The first couple times...

>>63855353
what did you buy the pouches for then?

>>63855353
>Am I forgetting anything
Best way i to use and pack a note pad for gear choices for next time. But no, you won't die in 2 nights.

>>63855321
I didn't even think about that.

>>63855313
Ash?

>>63855346
Actually kind of a big brain move right there. Thanks. I think I'll pull the trigger on those inserts then.

>>63855368
Uncontained consoomer impulse to add more shit to my cart to save money on shipping, also thought I could separate the tent and store it across three pouches instead of the pillow-sized barracks bag I currently have. Wish I was at home to take a fuckin' pic.

>>63855371
Thanks but a bear will probably eat me

>>63855321
It's just the cummerbund that came with my Banshee. Honestly, the 11x5 inserts feel like they're a little big for the coverage I'd need, I'm just going by the size listed on Shellback's website without having to pay the $230 or whatever for their inserts.

>>63855278
>poor/practical
'luv mah FLC
'luv milsurp mag pouches
'luv milsurp canteen pouches

>>63855313
They're the cheapest way to carry nine magazines. I have two, they aren't bad. Velcro sounds like a bad night at taco bell but it's otherwise built well.
I find it interesting you brought up condor but not ELITE SPANKER.
>>63855327
I'll only be posting new infographics this round. Let's make this a productive thread. First mag pouches, next belts!

>>63855398
>a bear will probably eat me
Doubt, all indications are they prefer pic a nic baskets.

>>63855345
Guilty as charged, I bought a thermal and never recovered financially.

>>63855591
We're not falling for your trickery, Yogi.

>>63855313
>>63855408
cut a piece of cardboard to the different sizes and see how it fits. It will probably be tight enough to you that the smaller size won't slide.

>>63855422
stop posting chinkshit

>>63855228 (OP)
What's a chest rig that can hold 4-6 gen 3 p-mags, has additional pouches or webbing for medical or other stuff, and is comfortable to wear for hours in addition to a backpack for under $300?

>>63855228 (OP)
What to pickup before world war 3 starting soon?

>>63855736
Realistically? Food, water, gas, and maybe ammo

>>63855252
But Anon, wont that make me the subject of ridicule?

>>63855591
Unrelated but if I owned a vape store I'd offer customizable bundles called "pick-a-nic' baskets"

>>63855741
I have an old BCM rifle from 2014. 16” chrome lines probably out dated by now

And an old ass AR-10 from aero? I think I don’t even remember

What more modern rifle should I grab?

>>63855783
I always thought building was better but if your ar works good still you're fine. Maybe buy another bolt if you're worried

>>63855720
>Stop posting chinkshit
You will pay only a fraction of the price for a marginally inferior product and you will like it. Keep the chinkshit B-grade or above and it's fine.

This is poor. This entire general is poor. We should just pack it up and go. It's done, over. We can't work any more. It's over for us. Bunkbed guy got gainful employment. We have no more welfare. No more steel case tula. Only poverty remains.

>>63855228 (OP)
Is it worth buying any mask other than an Avon c50?

>>63855880
Nah that's the meta mask brah

>>63855880
airboss c4 is the alternative but it tends to be unobtanium.

>>63855742
You can't ever win. It's a damned if you do/don't thing. Just accept damnation and lost gere. Richard Gere.

>>63855758
Best gear ever.

>>63855883
>>63855925
C50 has to be better than m50 right?

>>63855758
Based.

Any reason I shouldn’t get a Helikon Tex Chicom? They aren’t expensive and their stuff seems well made.

>>63855946
The C50 uses more common filters.

>>63855856
Man, I miss BBG. Where did he go?

>>63858154
He's gone man, I'll be outside

>>63855856
Wasnt BBG like SOF or something cool and badass like that?

>>63858154
The general is sad without him. Without bunkbed guy /gq/ has no purpose, only schizophrenic consuuumerism remains.

guys, whats the goto belt kit/LBE current year?
for using over slick carrier?

>>63859151
From what I have learned in this thread it is some combination of the cheapest dogshit on amazon and some old ucp gear. Hope that helps.

>>63859170
>hope that helps
not at all! but thanks

>>63859151
Budget and what are you trying to carry?

>>63859236
Brit method, pretty much 24h sustainment and buncha mags.
moving most stuff from PC to belt,
Budget is whatever really, idk 300$+- whatever these things costs. not looking for cheapest of the bunch 15£ surplus.
ideally molle for the mag pouches at least,

>>63859444
Best bag for buck is going to be an Eagle H harness or one of the countless clones.

If you want to go cheaper and simpler, pull the belt from an FLC and get an after market harness for it.

>>63858196
He was a 68W in some conventional big army unit somewhere. His only deployment was to Syria too so he basically missed the entire GWOT. He was pretty much a nobody who knew nothing and never did anything interesting in his career

>>63859480
>Eagle H harness
I'm a different anon and I wanna build out a .308 belt kit with my HSGI SureGrip. Will an eagle harness work with anything or what? The ones I see have like eight straps for suspenders, where my belt only has 4 points.

>>63855228 (OP)
Any point in running gi mags when good quality polymer mags exist?

>>63859741
weight.
people spend insane ammounts of money to save weight on stuff, when running a loadout of GI mags will reduce the weight the same, and cost you less

>>63859482
Why is it that the SMEs always lack hard credentials? Is it just soft knowledge built over time?

>>63855287
this guide looks like it was made in 2011 im not even shitting you.

>>63860045
>2011 is now vintage
Did we even have infographs in 2011? Archives don't go back that far.

>>63859826
>soft knowledge built over time?
You got nothing but time, when you do nothing but tell people to take 'stop the bleed' classes.

>>63859741
Some pockets are tight for poly mags.

>>63860128
To be fair that's good advice.

>>63860227
Stipulated.

>>63859826
To add onto this, it basically doesn't matter what "hard" credentials you have unless those credentials get you around some kind of experiential or knowledge "wall"
Some SEAL that starts a coffee company is not automatically an SME on everything. About certain things, sure. You see that twenty times a day on the internet. An FBI HRT dude that has ten years of experience breaching doors with a variety of tools, however, is very much an SME when it comes to breaching doors with a variety of tools and other associated tactics / skills. Might not be your guy in other areas.
Take the old 90s gunfighters for example. Massad Ayoob was a reserve cop with limited actual combat experience. His books are mostly techniques and second-hand accounts.
Gabriel Suarez was a SWAT officer with substantially more aggressive "field" experience, but his advice aged significantly worse because he sold out (lots of dropping and then recommending different platforms, ran Suarez International too), had some out-there theories, and also had a bit of a mental snap.
Overall, while neither guy is on a pedestal, Ayoob (aside from his ".357 has a stunning effect" comment) aged significantly better.
Soft and hard credentials both matter, but one isn't a substitute for the other.

>>63860286
>Soft and hard credentials both matter, but one isn't a substitute for the other.
Unless it's Col. Cooper and his word is as God's word.

>>63860295
He has infinite credentials.

>>63859796
GI mags are not even noticeably lighter than Pmags.

>>63859796
Agreed. For one example, the Hesco 4800 (soon to be 4801, which is arguably a downgrade like many of Hesco's newer plates) and LTC 26310 only exist because people are willing to pay thousands to lose a few pounds of armor.
This goes double for soft armor and helmets.

Just wanna post my larpload if that's okay
>e tool for doodoo holes
>canteen for rinsing hands
>canteen cup and stove for fun
>grenade pouch for cigarettes
>tent packed in barracks bag stowed behind front panel
>30-35 lbs when loaded for a few days, sans water
>still need a sleeping pad
Am I doing alright? Ignore the noose it was the best rope I had

>>63860694
You don't need an e-tool on your kit unless you're digging fighting positions. Use a garden trowel if it's just for poopy.

I'd be trying to slim down on the tent as well. Take the ponchopill. Hate every time you sleep outdoors.

>>63860694
You're probably not gonna make it father than 10 miles with that setup, but it's fine if you're just going out in the woods and parking it. No load lifters, bad strap yoke design. Hip belt looks alright and you're gonna need it.

I'm assuming getting a new pack is not a reasonable option but I would highly suggest something like a 38-55 liter pack that is more vertically oriented, with a good frame. Something like a used Osprey commercial pack, or an MR SATL/Komodo, or an HPG decker if you really want to be serious about larp. Having shit hanging over the sides kills your arm swing range and has a wonky balance and is just generally not a good way to do things.

You should get a cheap chest bag for your smokes and phone and things you really need quick access to and then pack everything else away in the main body. Also ditto >>63860724
you do not need an etool just for shitting, they sell stainless folding trowels on amazon for $10

>>63860724
>>63860732
Was gonna joke about my poops necessitating a more robust shoveling device but yeah, fecal trowels must be the most efficient. Pack I'm using is the 5.11 Rush 72, which is 55L but definitely not shaped the way you suggest, got it used for a good price at least. I have to tighten the shoulder straps nearly all the way just to get a solid feeling fit which kills range of motion, but thought it was normal because I spent my enlistment not knowing how to properly wear ILBE/FILBE packs. Definitely gonna look for load lifters, rear neck clearance, and a real frame next time. Thanks anons

>>63860466
I find them noisier.

>>63855228 (OP)
Is a camelback still the best way to carry water in your pack? Also how do you carry your rifle while hiking for hours or days without it getting in the way?

>>63860842
The squadbak is superior. The entire squad can suck on your straw.

>>63860928
But I have no friends and if I did I would want to carry my own stuff

>>63859741
[superior] aesthetics

>>63860936
>not being the community water man
when society collapses you could be a liquid king

>>63860971
I wouldn't be able to carry much else though

>>63860987
Lift more. Squat more. Drink more protein. Eat more protein.
>>63858154
Losing him sucks. Anyone know what happened to armor maximus guy from a couple years ago? Trips have a shelf life these days.

>>63861033
I'd rather carry more food and ammo. What's a good way to filter water easily so I don't have to carry so much?

>>63861036
water bag with inline sawyer filters for gravity feed

>>63861054
Some things never change. I used that almost a decade ago when I was hiking as a kid

>>63860128
We need stop the breed classes

>>63861059
aint broke

>>63861036
NTA but how much ammo is ideal these days?

>>63861066
I was born to stop the breed

>>63861069
depends what you expect to be doing
battle load is at least 6+1 on kit with more reloads in a bag or vehicle

>>63861069
Old standard is one mag in the gun and 6 on you. I'd say 3 or 4 on you is plenty but if I have room and weight I'd rather have more mags in my backpack. I'll probably carry 12 total or so if I was larping heavy. If you're getting in enough shit to go through that many mags, I'd rather get out of there. Carrying food and shelter is where I'll prioritize my weight

>>63860466
its 20% lighter in fact. 1 oz, those 7 mags you carry at least, thats 7 oz

Belgian camouflage in AFU.

>>63859826
He was never a SME, I don’t even think he got his EMT-P. May I remind you that US Army 68Ws are only qualified as EMT-Bs, their civilian equivalents are literal non-clinical taxi drivers who take fat people to dialysis appointments. A 68W at an Infantry unit can barely put a cannula in and give IV fluids without literally killing their patient due to sheer incompetence. Dude probably gave out some water bottles and put bandaids on Syrian kids for a few months and came back to /k/ acting like he was a trauma surgeon.
>>63860286
>100 year old man with eyes facing two different directions who’s never been in a gunfight is a SME on gunfighting because he read police reports
Is an incel who’s never had sex a SME on sex because he jerks off to 10 hours of porn per day? He’s watched video evidence of loads of other people having sex, he should be an expert by your logic.

>>63862184
So by your argument Jim Cirillo, who survived several dozen gunfights, is the SME even though his book is very, very outdated to the point it's basically from a different era.
>carried three revolvers
>M1 carbine
Gotta compartmentalize credentials here. Cirillo if he were still alive would be the guy on close quarters pistol shooting under pressure. He might not be your guy in other areas. Ayoob has less experience but his usual advice is arguably more relevant because of the time it was written.
Even then, Ayoob is basically wedged in the early 90s. There aren't too many modern SMEs like the old gunwriters, so when in the dunning-krugee sea, we take what we can get.

>>63855308
Probably. This town ain't big enough for this many italians.

>>63861945
I'm a camo clown and this looks ridiculous.

>>63862184
>he should be an expert by your logic.
Theoretical expert...

>>63861844
>7 oz
MIEN GOT!

Let's just say you were in a country where the leader started using military/security forces to force population to surrender.
And Let's say they started doing it to the entire country.

Is a "one man army" possible in real life? Or do you have to use dozens of drones and bombs and junk?

>>63862872
>Is a "one man army" possible in real life?

>As Kang and his band of warriors attempt to gain control of the Enterprise from Kirk and crew, one of Kang’s lieutenants quotes a Klingon saying, “Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man.” The modern workplace and global business environment are often described as “cutthroat”.

>If you, your team or company do not have as much resources as others, this Klingon proverb reminds us that speed and efficiency can make up for a dearth in other areas. People who move fast, take calculated risks and get sh!t done can zip past the competition. This is often why startups and smaller companies can achieve so much in a shorter period of time than their larger counterparts
Ymmv.

>>63862872
If you have a massive gear / training advantage, yeah. Think thermals + drones of both recon and kamikaze flavors + a variety of guns, gear, tools, food, etc securely cached around the area. Meanwhile the dicktator only has poorly paid, poorly trained conscripts with shitrod AKs who ain't ever seen a drone before.
The idea is taking out the dicktator and convincing his lieutenants and thus his men that you're a much larger force than just one dude, thus convincing them to capitulate rather than press on - because they only gotta get lucky once.
This is impossible in a first or second world area without substantial allied networks.

>>63862608
pay less to save 7oz with GI mags, or pay 250$ to get some extra fancy skeletonized lasershitcut plate carrier

>>63863491
Or pay $1,200 to save 2lb on plates.

>>63864007
>kkk cone hat
So races.

Another one off the list. Introducing the revised, expanded, probably could use some polishing but I need input for that... /gq/ belt guide!
>inb4 he included SIX chinese options, fuck!

>>63864225
I keep putting off getting an smu because I can't justify the price but the price keeps going up. At this rate I don't think I'll ever upgrade.

>>63864258
The CHLK no shit went up by $150 since the old belt guide was made. They priced me the fuck out to the point of... Jinwudun.

>>63864272
Thank you for posting this I just realized I was getting blue alpha confused with blue force. I was like dang they discontinued their old belt but no it's still there. Somehow I'm comfortable paying more than the smu because the bag belt has always been roughly that price. I know a2 says I'm not allowed to like it but I like my aws lab and it's been good to me for a long time now. The current price is a little steep but all of their stuff is very well made.

>>63864307
No problem. As you've probably noticed, compared to the old guides I tend to truncate "redundant" options and then add additional genres, I've got no quarrel with adding the blue alpha back in a 1.01 version if anons want it, though.
>I know a2 says I'm not allowed to like it
yeah
>The current price is a little steep but all of their stuff is very well made
Classic case of you get what you pay for, although I will say my Jinwudun skirt is very well built. Definitely not something you want to run in, and $298 is steep for B-grade polyethylene.
I'm planning on replacing my padded belt with something armored myself, thinking either the Jinwudun tac waistband or maybe entertaining the armor empire (eeeh) mystery meat belt, but $399 is too damn high and at that point I'd much rather just buy Crye.

>>63864349
>my Jinwudun skirt
Oh I thought you were joking. Aight imma head out.

>>63864372
Return to tradition.

Bought an LV119 a while ago, sucks dick and digs into my shoulders like fucking crazy. My issued IOTV while i was in was way better, thinking of changing over to an AVS with the cage system. Thoughts?

Looking at the Crye Precision Compact Assault Ghillie. Is it legit, or fake and gay?

>>63864609
Its legit, but the price for what is essentially a scrim net with sleeves is fake and gay.

>>63864628
I can justify it to myself by saying that I will take it turkey hunting.

>>63864642
It's less than an HFXC, c'mon.
By the way, SMS is teasing their 3-in-1 LAM on the instagram. VCSEL. Will be interesting to see if it can seriously undercut the IRIS. If it's IP67 or better and sub-$500, done deal.
I'm thinking a v3 HFXC like sms schizo was ranting about will be cooming in the next few months.

>>63864642
just make your own ghillie

>>63865188
I can't tie my shoes and you want make ghillie me to?

Quick update to the LAM guide, added pistol LAMs like that one anon asked about.

>>63865188
I already have a dumb camo project.
Side note I made an order with Artkis, time for M90.

>>63855228 (OP)
How do I man up and just buy a chest rig already?

>>63865601
Switch to .308 to significantly reduce your choices.

Ok really:
>overt or covert?
>heavy or light
>what gear do you want it to carry
>does it need to interfere with other gear

Those questions should help you narrow it down.

>>63865608
What's getting me is that some only work with certain magazines

>>63865601
are you afraid of your belly sticking out?

>>63865634
No, just don't know entirely what I'm doing

>>63865630
Despite what zoomers think, Pmags are pretty new.

>>63865601
Based. I guess this one is kinda new so I'm not violating my rule for this edition. Here's the chest rig infographic.

>>63865637
Obviously, I'm not talking about surplus or anything. A lot of civilian chest rigs are build around aluminum mags despite polymer magazines becoming more popular

>>63865645
just get a condor ronin

>>63865541
Just did some searching around.
Is there any evidence or reasonable speculation that we will see more LA-12 GLISs on the market? Or were they rare to begin with unlike the now abundant AN/PEQ-2a and AN/PEQ-14 and AN/PEQ-15?

>>63865596
start another project, consoomer

>>63865706
They aren't as common as the Glares, so I'd expect only a trickle with some crops every now and again. Stuff like this tends to be dead for a while then suddenly a whole bunch show up. You can figure why. Good news though, there's three for sale on ebay right now!

One LA-12 is currently on auction for $365, cheapest I've seen one. I do not expect it to stay that way. Will probably be at least $700 end of tomorrow. Snipe the auction in the last ten seconds.

>>63865831
>>63865898
>hand rubbing
good 2 know

>>63866009
Best of luck to you, and please buy the brown lens S.P.E.C.S for $12.99 so you don't fry your eyeballs pointing a certain piece of lawsuit-bait at a mirror. thx!

>>63855755
DEW IT ANON!

>>63856735
Get chink made chicom nigga

Unless you cannot handle da chinky chicom then just get the helikum tex chicooom

>>63865596
I’m so pissed they discontinued the desert m90.

>>63855228 (OP)
>>63855252
>>63855283
my gear is rusty and dusty
because im the biggest fan of
busty dusty

>>63865661
>get a condor ronin
The img may be counter enticing, but the Ronin is really nice. I rigged mine for 4x .308 and love it.

>>63866859
I was thinking about it for the same thing, an ar10 scout sniper set up that I'll probably never use and not want to pay real gear money on but I got lost in the amazon reviews
the yoke looks comfy but how does it feel with a pack overtop?

>>63866258
The Helikon one comes in ranger green though.

>>63864307
Nah bro the SMU is fine
The lab is the dumb purchase
>>63864272
>The CHLK no shit went up by $150
Gotta pay for all the returns because the dumb sizing decisions they made.
>>63860694
>Etool
>No ability to replenish water
Nah, you doing both or you not digging
>packing a tent
Youre a man, pack a basha and call it a day
>>63860286
>Ayoob (aside from his ".357 has a stunning effect" comment) aged significantly better.
Jamie pull up the weapon light video and the sandwich assault vest
>>63859444
On the impoverished end of things, a used PLCE meets your requirements. On the gucci end of things Jay-Jays, Dragon Airborne or Velocity jungle kit.
If you want more flexibility, you should get a naked base webbing and add your own pouches to it. You can grab an empty jungle kit, surplus eagle H harness or any other combination of padded war belt + suspenders.

>>63867444
>dumb sizing decisions
QRD?

>>63861069
SPONGEBOB, ME-BOY! YOU NEED 12+1 MINIMUM
PLACARD PUSSIES ARE NGMI
I HAVE THE SAW POUCH SWAGGER. ARkARkARkARkArK

>>63867453
>If you have a 35" waist, buy a 32" sized belt
>A 34" sized belt is for 34.75 to 37" sized waist
Etc
Rather than calling them small, medium and large they assigned them the bottom end of the size range(?) but sometimes that correlates to like 0.75" over the size you asked for ???
Colossally stupid decision.

>>63865643
>>63867444
What's the best way to build out a TAPS rig to accept water, comms, and an IFAK without getting too bulky?

>>63867483
add the pouches you need dont add pouches you dont need, or you will just fill them with things you dont need

>>63861069
I run 6+1 primary, 3+1 secondary.

5 AR mags on the plate carrier, one on the belt. 2 pistol mags on the carrier and another on the belt. Been think of switching it up to 2 on the belt, one on the carrier.

>>63867055
>how does it feel with a pack overtop?
The back panel is more substantial than many, so maybe lumpy? I haven't tried it. But it only comes down 1/3. The sewn-in, padded grab handle is nice and near to neck, so shouldn't be an issue. In fact, it velcros to a hook strip, to stay put. Depending on your torso length and adjustments, a pack hip belt should clear the bottom of the fron panels. Give me a week or less and I'll try it out. For the cost compared to the DC3RM, I would choose the Ronin all day long.

>>63867523
This is me by the way

>>63867455
Colossally based, the condor MA33 lyfe

>>63867533
Hey, what did I do?

>>63867503
True.
>>63867483
And change out the harness! I'm looking at the FHF Airframe, but thier SH is blocking my cost/value sense.

>>63867468
>img
Pruners or wire cutters?

>>63867560
british ww2 wire cutters

>>63867566
Thought so
I have a Gerber equivalent I use for branches.

>>63864007
hmmmmmmmm, I've seen this type of theme before from a previous namefag poster.

>>63867533
Lol, I remember this photo back in 2020. Man those were the days.

>>63859482
I don't even think it was Syria. I'm pretty sure it came out that it was just a rotation to Iraq.

>>63866859
People sleep on condor for cheap and decent

>>63867877
it has a lasting reputation as the "just as good" choice from before china flooded the market with shit airsoft gear
it has good per dollar value, but it is in no way good when compared directly with quality gear

>>63868011
Can you point to examples of it failing on people?

>>63867444
>The lab is the dumb purchase
Works on my machine.

>>63868041
Not him and this was a long time ago but I had the molle webbing separate from the chest rig.

>>63868062
That's one, anybody else?

>>63868072
Nope. I'm the only one. It has staggeringly high durability that even top of the line gear cannot match.

>>63868079
Its all in the stitching and you can't trust Ming Park's work at the 12th hour of her shift

>>63868072
nigger, you expect me to pull a list out of my ass?
things have reputations because they earn them

>>63868086
But when you can buy three condors for the price of one high quality item?
Let's face it, most of us are only doing flat range shit and we won't be wearing out condors. >>63868062 probably lost the QC lottery.
>>63868079
I think it's a case of sub-optimal but still functional. Even proppa Chinese pouches (Idogear, Krydex, DMgear, etc) are workable unless you buy knockoff-of-the-knockoff actual garbage.

The concerns about Condor are overstated. It's not great but has value.

>>63868090
Or because things get repeated without first hand experience. One guy having a bad day doesn't mean the other thousand guys will end up the same way.

>>63868100
>The concerns about Condor are overstated. It's not great but has value.
I'm not really concerned, I don't really give a shit anymore. I just happened to be checking the thread and saw that post. I bought two condor things and that was one of them so I said never again. For me, it's eagle/BAE surplus. Built like a tank and you can probably get it cheaper than condor.

>>63868122
Curious if you reached out to Condor to try and get a replacement. Eagle / BAE (especially eclipse) is better built, no doubt, but Condor's got a massive lineup of factory fresh and there's no concern about getting beat up surp.

>>63868109
stop being an angry poor fag
I'm not even shitting on them, I'm just saying outside of price considerations they dont match up
offered a free condor carrier or a free crye carrier you are going to choose the crye every time

>>63867822
So do we know why he dipped?

>>63868163
>free crye
Of course, but when you factor in price and necessary durability Condor is acceptable.
Gatekeeping to "wagh it's Crye or bust" is why /gq/ struggled to stay above water months ago. There is a time and a place for affordable gear. Not everybody is up for spending hundreds on something that will frankly just sit in a closet.

>>63868164
got out of the military, moved on with his life, plus some anons here were getting real cringe with the tripfag worship
even before he left he stopped tripping

>>63868174
>when you factor in price
like I said here
>>63868011
>it has good per dollar value

>>63868178
Tripfag worship is something I don't get. Sure, A2 for example has great info. He's not infallible though and his adoration of $500 pry bars is irrelevant for many people here.

>>63868181
Then we're agreed. Nothing wrong with Condor as budget / starter gear. It's a fuckalotta better than nothing.

>>63868072
NTA but I had a condor belt and suspenders setup for a while that was basically form playing dress up as Big Boss from MGSV. The pouches and shit are alright, they won't be terrible, but you'll obviously find some more quality feeling ones at higher prices, but the actual load bearing shit was outright trash. Comparing the war belt to my HSGI Sure grip was no comparison. The Condor was floppy, had molle that started sagging immediately and was starting to develop tears by the D rings where the suspenders were attached. Condor is fine as long as it isn't load bearing imo, other than that though, wouldn't necessarily trust it with holding anything actually heavy.

>>63868140
No I was young and didn't know you could do stuff like that. The surp I have picked up has all been in great condition, some of it even new in original packaging. I guess you have to be more careful about what you order but it hasn't been an issue for me.

>>63868183
bbg was actually likeable, so the worship was even worse than the A2 approved fags

>>63868203
My experience with Condor is limited to my old PC I replaced with a tasmanian tiger TT vest, two MA33s mounted on the TT, giving me 18+1 magazines, and a hydration carrier. All is good but you can feel the quality difference with higher end kit.
It's still good starter gear. Upgrade and keep the condor stuff as spare materiel.

>>63868205
A2 has posted more than 80,000 times.
We tend to not keep trips more than 3-4 years at most. That armorus maximus guy lasted five, so that's above average.

>>63868190
budget yes, not starter
if you know you are not going to be able to realistically afford the good stuff, or its just not that high on your priorities, then sure buy condor
but if you are interested in assembling a kit then buy once cry once makes more sense than replacing your gear every couple years with slightly better gear

>>63868235
I agree. Starter kit however can be kept as spares and loaners.

>>63867560
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1139310
The snip snip, makes fast work of chain link and barbed wire.
Good $13 piece of kit
>>63868049
Yes, but do nots be encouraging the purchase of more please thank yous
>>63868100
>The concerns about Condor are overstated. It's not great but has value.
No. There is literally no reason to buy Condor in current year. If I wanted obsolete designs I could get them properly made surplus for less money. If I wanted poor copies of modern shit I could buy airsoft tier pouches from the chinese.
But theres is very little reason to own any of them. Gear isnt expensive, training is expensive as fuck. If you are skimping to afford surplus eagle, lbt, etc youre not going to train enough for your gear choices to matter. Might as well buy some walmart drawstring backpack for your spare mags as it will function just as well sitting in your closet.
>>63868183
Shut up A2

Food for thought. If Condor started making armor, would they be better or worse than RMA and the bottom barrel Highcums (4SAS4)?
I think they'd be like Tacticon.

>>63868262
Hey don't knock my drawstring backpack titgrips it was six bucks and lasted me two trips! For that I'm gonna buy a THIRD MA33. Never gonna run out of ammo, never!

>>63868264
armor is a much different game than nylon
if anything they would probably go with AR500 steel

>>63868262
training is cheap,
>dress up in my tactical gear
>grab rifle
>clear house
>pose for mom while she takes pictures
$0

>>63868287
I think a mix of Tacscorp-style high hardness mystery meat "AR700" and import ceramic tile arrays like Gilliam Technical Services.
Condor Armor would focus on being very durable, high multi hit, but low cost and high weight.

>>63868262
Chris Costa is expensive, sure.

>>63868262
Did you say something about quieting down the lbt belt buckle with tape?

>how to make /gq/ rrreeee
>condor works

>>63868275
Id have unlimited respect for the dude out there burnining it down with the jansport and the $12 aliexpress ISIS chestrig who is out there burning it down until it crumbles. But alas, if you are cool enough to do that then you are cool enough to just have a taps rig that wont crumble.
>>63868304
Hmmm compelling
>>63868321
Celebrity instructor or ortherwise classes are indeed expensive. But even on your own hanging doors to fuck up, all that ammo, all those chemlights, etc going to add up much faster than any of your gear is.
A $300 chestrig is half a case of 5.56 in <current year>
>>63868428
Yeah the buckle has bar in the middle thats pretty jiggly metal on metal clicking. I will take splice tape and wrap the far end of the frame with it so if the belt is entirely relaxed the bar cant slide into the frame. You cant really silence/dont need to silence the other end of the frame because belt loops over it. The bar itself will have some up and down movement when loose but your shit should be tight anyway if youre trying to be that sneaky.
>>63868494
My hipoint works perfectly fine when its sitting on a shelf for years

>>63868494
No, how to make a specific tripfag ree.

>>63868494
Search your feelings, you know CONDOR ELITE to be true!

>>63868313
> Gilliam Technical Services
Haha, another F-tier eBay merchant? What's with this general?

>>63869088
Never said it was good man. They're cheap as hell, similar to RMA's older shitplates, and I think operate out of a po box. No certs! No shit!

novv vve vvait :D

>>63869331
I visit the carcajou site once every couple of weeks and go back and forth on buying one of their belt kits.

>>63869341
This belt is objectively bad but at least the pouches are good

>>63869353
What's bad about it? Looks nice enough.

>>63868584
Just signed up as a Condor gear tester. I'm going to be an INFLUENCER, BABY! You 'n me, brudder.

forgot the pic
>>63869357
It doesn't curve with the hip, is way too tall and has no mesh on the padding. Sweat city

>>63869369
If I wasn't saving for a house, I'd buy it. Looks good enough.

>$250~ for the carcajou standard bundle
>I paid about $290 for a better belt

>>63869422
>$290 for a belt

>>63869331
These are really well thought out. What's the wait time like? Velocity says 10-12 weeks. Someone recommended their molle yoke to me a long time ago and I forgot about it. Wish I would have remembered when I was shopping last week. Could have got that and the sustainment pouch. Oh well.

>>63869435
People pay $200-300+ for a chunk of CNC-ed Aluminum. What is your point?

>>63869448
>What is your point?
Lost on (you), obviously.

>>63869527
whatever

>>63856735
>Only single stack
Could have been a great rig desu

>>63868512
It's not a stealth thing I was just going insane weaving this molle. It's so much louder than I would have thought.

>>63867552
dude sold it with an upgraded harness fortunately.

>>63867503
I was hoping for good pouch recommendations based on the three items I'm trying to accommodate...

Water is between a Spiritus/Arbor arms nalgene pouch.

Comms and IFAK are gonna be some sort of GP pouch, ideally something like the BFG ten speed pouches that collapse flush when empty.

>>63869362
THAT'S RIGHT BROTHER, COME JOIN ME AND WE CAN INFLUENCE THE WORLD. YOU SELL THEM THE CARRIERS I SELL THEM THE OH-FOUR-SLASH-OH-FIVE CERT SINGLE STRIKE UKRAINE OVERRUN 4 SASH 4. CONDOR AND HIGHCUM THERE'S NO BETTER OPTION FOR THE POOR, THE DOWNTRODDEN, THE HOMELESS.

MAKE PFG GREAT AGAIN. WE'LL SHOW THE GEAR QUEERS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR ENTIRE LOADOUT IS FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS.

WE ARE THE MCDONALDS FIGHTERS.
THE VAGABOND GEESE.
THE WEEKEND WARRIORS.
THE BOSSES OF THE BAYOU
THE SEVEN-ELEVEN SEVEN.
THE MALL COMMANDOS
THE STRIP MALL PROTECTORS
WE MAKE ALLIED UNIVERSAL BLUSH
THE COPS QUIVER AT THE SIGHT OF OUR ROCK HARD PLATES
OUR $400 ATI ARPS
OUR CONDORS THAT CUM FROM THE FACTORY WITH FUCKED UP STITCHING
OH FUCK MY PLATE BAG RIPPED
DAMN IT
RACHEL I NEED DUCT TAPE
GIMME
AWW FUCK MY PROMAGS ARE FLOPPING ON THE GROUND
THE MAG POUCHES I'VE LOST, THE MAGAZINES I'VE LOST, THE STEEL CASE TULA I'VE LOST, IT'S ALL STILL HURTING.
MOM'S SPAGHETTI
WHY ARE THE SHELLS IN MY MAGFED SHOTGUN LOOKING LIKE OVALS?
DAMN IT
GOOD LORD I SCREWED MY 5.56 BRAKE ON UPSIDE DOWN
FUCK IT WAS THE RED LOCTITE
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>>63870017
they're just pouches, you doint need your hand held

>>63870017
Check out the beez radio pouches.

>>63870043
What about deez pouches?

>>63866009
Are ya winning son?

Alright, which one of you was this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP-00L1Q7C0

>>63870017
Check out the trex arms hydro pouch, it's really solid for a nalgene pouch. Only takes up two columns.

They don't make multicam tropic so I didn't buy them for my rig, also they do that goofy ranger green with coyote zippers/buckles thing which I hate. Ranger Green should always have black hardware

So I run my IFAK on my belt kit. I also run a few extra TQs on my plate carrier as well, the IFAK on my belt has one already. I consider my belt setup my first line gear, it has reloads, meds, my handgun, my knife, and a few other things. I consider my plate carrier to be my second line gear. Armor, more ammo, more TQs. I'm wondering, is it worth it running basically a second IFAK on my carrier or is just running the one on my belt + the extra TQs fine? Going through my extra medical supplies I have everything to build a second IFAK.

>>63868262
What's that Tegris harness?

>>63870623
I do. I have the agilite ifak kit, so I can pull the carrier out and toss it off if I need to. I also keep a dangler on my pc that has med in it as well.

>>63870658
I've been thinking about getting a dangler. Any recs?

>>63870623
It makes sense to run two. One for you (first line), second for your buddies or people you come across and want to help. You do not want to exhaust "your" meds for someone else.
If you have the training and circumstances allow, two IFAKs and then a larger full kit in your third line sustainment.

>>63870675
I have the agilite dangler too, but I wouldn't recommend it. It's great, in the sense that the zipper is on the front, so it's not blocked by my pc. But the velcro attachment is so small, it just doesn't attach well. If I were going to get another one, I'd get the shaw concepts one. The zipper is on the top, but it opens up all the way like a clamshell. I'd wait a couple weeks though, shaw is dropping their new stuff on July 1st. I can't remember if they have a new dangler though.

>>63870676
Currently my extra shit is in a larger kit that I keep in my 3 day bag. I also have some minimal meds, mostly water purification, that I keep in my hydration carrier that I use if I'm not running the 3 day bag.

>>63855228 (OP)
I got inspired by the op pic and decided to come up with an attempt at a "basic" gas mask infographic. If people want, an advanced supplement will follow (after the IFAK infograph) with more / different models.

>>63870712
Very nice. How's your pain management side of things? Acetaminophen, ibuprofen, peptic ulcer-inducing excedrin, etc?

>>63870375
>goofy ranger green with coyote zippers/buckles thing which I hate
This is the final straw. I don't think I like this place anymore.

>>63870884
the old /gq/ is gone man, bunkbedguy will be outside.

This is sad. This entire general is sad. We should just pack it up and go. It's done, over. We can't do any more. It's over for us. Bunkbed guy left us. We have no more fight. No more will. Only sadeness remains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4maoo4A3x4

>>63870798
Realistically speaking, how well would 3M masks hold up, in a pinch? I have a few, even those that have full glass to cover your head.

>>63870915
Realistically if I need something like that and that's all I have, I'm going to put it on anyway.

>>63870887
Not like this. Not like this...

>>63870915
That's a real complex question and depends on a number of variables.
1. The rating of the mask and filters.
2. Condition and age of the mask and filters.
3. The specific "agents" in play.
4. The concentration level of agents.
There are other factors as well. To analogize the situation to armor, for example, you're basically asking "how well would 3M-Ceradyne plates hold up in a pinch."
What gas masks and plates have in common is that they're both richly complex subject areas.
1. Do you have model numbers by chance?
2. Are they in good condition?
3. Do you have ratings available from the manufacturer?
4. What do you want protection from?

>>63870925
Certainly better than nothing. The "meta" solution if you can throw $700-750 seems to be a C50 with the orange laser-protection outsert and at least one CBRNCF50 canister. You'd ideally want 1-2 spares since these aren't marked "R" under EN 14387 - armor analogy again, basically the gas mask VPAM - and you ideally don't want to reuse exposed canisters anyway.

>>63870953
Yeah I have a bandanna I think I'm good.

>>63870930
Official bunkbedguy theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFmC6M0aeP8&

>>63870956
Against "low enough" concentrations of riot agents, probably. Anarchist groups tend to soak them in vinegar solution, but the jury is out on whether that works (I'm leaning on probably... not).
Also, don't buy commercial Chinese gas masks. Bad idea. I've read the newer GOST-filter military types are decent.

>>63870983
>soak them in vinegar solution
They probably learned that from train hoppers doing it when they go through tunnels. I always thought it was probably bullshit.

>>63871005
There's a surprising amount of overlap between vagabonds, anarchists, and recently-sprung-up militant groups. It would make sense that some cross-referencing would appear like that. CS agent turns into hydrochloride on contact, which is an acid. Vinegar is an acid. I'm not a chemist but I don't see how an acid would neutralize an acid.

Placebo effect coupled with the use of drugs, maybe?

>>63870887
>>63870895
Quitters. Go on then.

>>63870983
>vinegar solutions
PISS
YOU PISS ON IT

>>63871017
Likely. I was always worried I'd get it too wet and waterboard myself then start gasping for air in a tunnel.

>>63871026
Tactical advantage of pissing on your face?
>>63871027
Such are the ways of street knowledge and urban legends.

>>63871030
it stops chlorine gas but so does any soaking supposedly
>"Our soldiers had to pee on rags, socks, or whatever piece of cloth they could find and use them to cover their faces to protect their lungs from the gas. The rationale behind this was that the ammonia from urine would somehow neutralize the chlorine gas and prevent it from killing them. What they didn’t know was that even though their trick was effective, it was unnecessary. You see, chlorine dissolves in water. So, they could’ve used regular water, and it would’ve still worked."

>>63871039
They knew. They did it for the flavor.

>>63871049
If it's fermented the right way you can make a kind of mead. It came to me in a dream it's how we make money after the economy collapses and the wall penetrating radar suicide drones force us into gooner tunnels underneath abandoned shopping malls in the midwest, where we do battle with the Emperor Romney and the turbo mormons.

>>63871049
>>63871065
worth pointing out that "alchemy" was basically just boiling piss over and over again which actually led to a bunch of discoveries in chemistry

literally piss wizards

>>63871078
>piss wizards
My parents used to call me that.

>>63871083
based?

>>63871078
YOU SHALL NOOT PIIIIISSSSS

Just bought one of these, what pouches should I consider? I already plan on getting an ifak pouch, 2 canteen pouches, and atleast one tourniquet pouch. i also already have the attachment that lets you put kabars on molle shit which will be nice. I'm thinking of more medical type shit currently, but I dunno the practicality of having more than maybe 2 tourniquet pouches at most on your belt so suggestions are appreciated, might throw a leatherman on there or a pouch for a flashlight

>>63871496
I probably wouldn't have bought that without a specific plan in mind.

>>63871065
>f it's fermented the right way you can make a kind of mead.
You've got diabetes, buddy.

>>63871801
Maybe, but he also has drinking buddies in the post apocalypse. Strength in numbers.

>>63870798
Do you have a list of what agents are defeated by what filter types?
Like, you say that Avon CRNCF50 multigas filter is good against G/V nerve agents, blood agents, CS, etc but what component of the ABEKP rating does the job? Is it B2 'inorganic gases' for nerve agents, etc?

>>63871848
This is a chinese spy.

>>63855228 (OP)
Are flow through cans worth it?

>>63855271
What's that flower like thing? Some sort of foldable solar phoner charger?

>>63871903
Thank you. I will NEVER EVER reveal this information! I will resort to disinformation, distortion, ignorance, and deception to ALL spies from EVERY nation! I will SHOOT SPIES AND TRATORS FIRST! I do these things to protect myself, my community, my country, and my God.
Do your own homework Dong Lee.

>>63872008
>search GLOWCO
>cuz lmgtfy
>active sportswear for Muslim women
https://www.glowco.shop/en-us?
I would not have guessed that.

>>63871848
Depends entirely on how the agent is deployed. I don't see much point in minmaxxing filters. Get the most protective ones you can while balancing protection against the situation and breathing resistance.
If you are in a situation where liquid, aerosolized, etc nerve agents are deployed then shit's really gone to pot and anything else can be expected.

You need more than a mask for full CBRN. Suit, gloves. Geiger counter. Decontam.

>>63872324
Great, a commie sympathizer. You just let them know! Fuck!

>>63872420
Dong Lee now know you need gloves to find anthrax butthole

>>63871496
6 sustainment pouches filled with candy

>>63872448
I am the sugar man. Eat my skittles.

>>63870915
full face would be useful with the right filter, half faces are better than nothing but most chems are going to irritate your eyes so you may be running blind, but you can breath so you are still running
you just wouldnt want to be in a prolonged situation with either of them, the serious chem agents can corrode the seals of respirators
>tldr: use them in a pinch to get the fuck out

>>63872455
>jamming skittles in your pee hole
>screaming
>taste the rainbow!
>into the night
Perv.

>>63872008
yeah, opposite the solar panels are LEDs so its a solar lamp / battery bank

>>63872055
thats odd, I think it came in a battlbox package in '22-'23

>>63871496
Aliexpress molle katana holder.

>>63872573
Heeereee a reee we're all kn debt for nods we don't ussseeh

>>63872572
found it, dont think glowco exists anymore

>>63872572
>opposite the solar panels are LEDs so its a solar lamp / battery bank
What I figured. But my search showed an unusual result. Buried in the site is a full hajib pool outfit that initially caught my eye in the google imgs, but I didn't feel like looking for it.
>>>63872055 (You) #
>thats odd, I think it came in a battlbox package
I have similar with telescoping mast that I really like. It's got small design flaws, but comes with magnetic base, adjustable leafs (no solar), adjustable brightness and color temp, and is a battery bank/charger. It's bulky and too heavy for backpacking, but for car camping and table top use, the mast means the light is above your eye level. I like it.

>>63870798
Are there any budget gas masks that account for glasses?

>>63872035
Based patriot.

>>63872891
Avon makes corrective lens inserts for the C50 / M50 / FMs. 3M and MSA as well for their masks. You will need to take the inserts to an optometrist to get lenses fitted.

>>63872561
It has to be the spicy black bag of skittles or no dice!

>>63874132
What about the sour skittles that tear up your mouth but taste so good?

>>63874197
They used to be more sour than they wussed out years ago. Bitch ass skittles got no place in /gq/.

I love Dutch surplus. Their chestrig is really good, so is their molle vest. If only I had some good molle pouches in woodland for it, only those US 1st gen molle's with press studs. Also the colors are great for pine forests and army reserve stuff.

>>63870097
I should have never advertised your listing for you on this awful website.
Regardless I hope you make bank tho. I don't buy on the sabbath.
Ironically you're the one rubbing their hands.

>>63871496
Get three triple mag pouches, two grenade pouches, a dump pouch and an ifak

>>63874885
>two grenade pouches
for what nigga, buzzballs? lmao

>>63874778
I don't even know the guy, I just thought it's going for a great price. He's sold one and got two more for sale so I'm a little sussed honestly.

>>63871517
I already have a specific use case in mind and atleast 5 things to put on it, but I guess my plans aren't specific enough because I didn't map out every possible pouch and placement before buying it. Good to know
>>63872448
Dare i say, based?
>>63872595
I'm hoping my molle kabar attachment will serve that purpose wonderfully
>>63874885
The ifak and dump pouch are definitely something that will eventually find their way on the belt, the ifak sooner than anything else. Grenade pouches are something I considered as small GP pouches, But I think I might put em on a plate carrier instead of the belt in case I ever run the 2 together. As for mag pouches, I'm probably gonna gear it less towards shooting until I'm able to get a decent PC to pair it with, and even then I'd probably only end up putting 1 or 2 mags on the belt

>>63874885
> two grenade pouches
The fuck? Justify this.

>>63875072
You could share your plans so I know how to help you instead of just saying
>hey wtf do i put on here????

>>63875108
somebody set him up the bombs

>>63875133
Maybe the pouches are for his CapriSun?

>>63875108
NTA, but they're good for small items like a compass.

>>63875489
Pockets are also fine.

>>63875548
Fuck that I don't want that bulky shit in my pockets.

>>63875584
military clothes have lots of pockets for a reason. They're ideal for small things like compasses, pens, notes, bandages, etc. You don't need a pouch for everything ffs.

>>63875618
Or I could just put it on my belt and have it on me at all times no matter what pants I'm wearing.

>>63875108
NTA either but i keep headlamps in mine, both on an FLC and IMTV. rather just rip and grab than dig and grab

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>>63875055
Alright my bad. I thought you were trying to sell me on it. I'm thinking 900 buckyroos isn't that bad since I'll miss this one anyway.

This was a comfy bread
7.5/10

>>63875114
>You could share your plans
Nigger I already told you five fucking things I'm putting on it and some ideas I had for what to get, what more do you want from me? How hard is it to reccomend an appropriately sized molle pouch to put on a belt?
>HURRR BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THE EXACT PURPOSE YOU'RE USING IT FOR THEREFORE I CANNOT RECCOMEND ANYTHING
If you couldn't figure it out based on the shit i already mentioned getting then that sounds like a (you) problem bud

>>63861036
>>63861054
this is bad advice

If the water is clear where you are just use aquamira drops, you can scoop water and keep moving while it purifies

If the water has a lot of particles scoop it up in a smart water or lifewater bottle and screw a sawyer squeeze or platypus quickdraw to the end

gravity feeds suck, you have to constantly stop and weight when you are moving all day, these things advertise themselves to make it simple because you just weight on it, but they turn out to be an absolute unnecessary chore if you do either of the two recommendations i put above

t. hiker trash

>>63876885
Then you received the appropriate amount of help:)

Hi, gear queer, it's me, predator steel plates anon/that one poorfag with the literally taped together vest.

I was browsing tacswap late last night and I stumbled across this full 3A vest with plate pockets for 200 dollars. Please talk me into and/or out of buying it.

Pros:
-Is not held together with literal duct tape.
-full kevlar for front, back, and sides
-won't get me laughed out of the insurrection

Cons:
-Unknown if it fits me
-200 dollars is not a negligible amount of money for my broke ass
-I already technically own a ballistic vest
-Less soul