Nocturnally Violent Gentlemen

who has the copy pasta

how is this place so fucking dead

is there any reason to get NVG instead of thermal?

>>63856403
thermals are for detection, NVGs are for action
You see a red hot blob over there? Use the NVG and make sure it's not something important
Moving at night? NVGs will help show terrain details instead of temps
Night watch? post up and turn on the thermal every couple of minutes to make sure nothing is sneaking up on you
Also thermals are massive battery hogs, it's good to have something to use in the dark that doesn't make you nervous about battery life as much

>>63856394
Between the April Fools day prank and the Great Habbening and /nvg/ always being a slower thread it was bound to happen eventually.

are qtnvgs still a2 approved?

>>63856556
>the April Fools day prank and the Great Habbening

huh?

>>63856436
anon, thermals are good enough now that you can make out plenty of details with them, in fact a $1700 oneleaf thermal scope can see shit like a mile away just fine in pitch black darkness, with nvg you're limited to whatever an ir flashlight can show you or hope theres decent moonlight
for the price, you get way more out of spending a little more for nicer thermal than you do anything night vision

>>63857156
April fools prank was closure of all the slow boards per dept of efficiency. Porn spammers were all deleted as well, so the few active boards all felt like old 2006-2010 era boards. Then the site got hacked and went down for like 3 weeks. Now its back.

>>63856394
I have given up on bumping /nvg/

>>63857774
>>63856403
Thermal and night vision accomplish two different things. You should be getting both if you have the money.

>>63856403
Nvg before thermal forsure. Imo the most useful thermal is a handheld for scanning.

>>63856052 (OP)
$1800 USD for an 1700 FOM WP NNVT-5AG + ADI lenses... Y/N?

Nocturnally Violent Gentlemen, how we doing?

>>63858446
in a 14 housing? chinkshit or real? if chinkshit $200 ish cheaper would be alright

>>63856394
Maybe because it's not as good of a general as some people thought it was? Superficial discussions, noob questions, and posting the latest BrassHop video related to NV in a shallow attempt to drive engagement only goes so far.

>>63856556
I bet it would have been dead a lot sooner if it weren't for the persistent life support bumps.

>>63858446
Don't get NNVT. Get a used OMNI tube PVS-14 for like $1.9-2.3k.
Embrace the gentle green hues of the military industrial machine.

>>63856403
Get both.

>>63857774
While you can make out details, they are still tough to use for walking around. I would spend more on the NV and just get *something* for a thermal. The capability to dollar ratio favors cheap little thermals, IMHO. Eventually you'll want something very cash money like an RH25 or a COTI or a SkeetIR.

Where do I even begin with choosing what NVG to get? I want dual tubes but don’t want to spend more than 6k

>>63859336
wait for 4th of july sales is where you start. jrh, steele, custom night vision. Save up more money because duals for 6k is a bit LAMO

>>63859336
Just look for sales. Pick a housing you like, and then go from there on what your budget for tubes is.

Some popular housings are BNVDs, DTNVS, Nocturn Industries makes a TON of different housings now. Some have adjustable gain, some do not, this is up to you to decide if you want that or not. Some take CR123As (most actually), some take AAs, up to you to decide.

The most expensive Gucci setup would be PVS31As with L3 tubes however this does not have adjustable diopter so if you are 4eyes you'll be wearing your glasses, other housings have adjustable diopter.

All of these things you must consider, do you need articulation? do you need ruggedness? (7075 aluminum?), do you need an IR light built in?

For tubes you reach diminishing gains IMO, most people won't genuinely notice the difference between Photonis tubes and something like an Elbit setup. The main specs that matter you can look up but generally SNR is what you want to look for, the tubes go like L3 (genuine fucking magic how good their tubes look >> (power gap) > Elbit/photonis > NNVT (dookie) >>> Chinese shit

>>63859555
also the tubes i am referring to are actually usually in stock and white phosphor tubes, if you want to be a cheap poorfag then OMNI spec (green) tubes are an option.

>>63856577
>a2
nobody gives a shit what this fag thinks outside of ARG, go back to your containment thread faggot

>>63859587
this fuck that fag

>>63859229
Embrace Soviet nods.
Reject capitalists optiks comerade

>>63860276
yeah just let that giant soviet battery pack send soothing gamma rays right into your brain

>>63857774
Sounds like you've never really used thermals or modern NODs. Thermals are workable for movement as long as whatever you're looking at is not behind a window and there's enough temperature gradient to tell what's what. But indoors on a warmish night and you'll be bumping into shit all over the place because everything made of similar materials is radiating about the same amount. Then you get capped by the guy standing on the other side of the window you can't see through.

>>63860282
That is actually a transformer that powers the tubes. It produces somewhere around 15-20kv. It is powered with a separate 12 volt battery
And the Gamma rays have given me super powers and made me realize how great communism is

>>63860305
Nobody brings up that when you're using thermal you're looking at a screen. It requires getting used to as well. It's not as natural as the glorified toilet paper tube that is night vision.

>>63860399
There's that. And the slight delay, narrower FOV, NUC freeze, mounting hassles, much lower battery life. Thermal is definitely useful, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd pick night vision hands down.

>>63860439
>narrower FOV
Oh yeah that sucks when I was messing around with my thermal. Wish that it would be as natural as my PVS14.

>>63859229
> ADI
> NNVT
99% chance he isn't american

>>63856394
sms schizo kept it afloat for months, but he is kill
:(

retard here, does anyone sell a decent pvs14 for around $2600? Or am I going to need to look for used tubes.

>>63856052 (OP)
Old >>63770033

LAM/MFAL comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5V9qYxITW0

Resource on what these spec terminology mean
https://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101
https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explained
https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-mean

You shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.
Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.

Some reputable retailers:
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/
https://steeleindustries.com/
https://nvisionoptics.com/
https://www.customnightvision.com/
https://apollogearco.com

SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noise
EBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sorts
Halo: How big the circle of bloom is around lights
Photocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode is
LP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chart

If one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance game

The numbers to meet or beat are
EBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucci
Halo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesome
SNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucci
Photocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellar
Resolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci

>>63856052 (OP)
Thanks for creating the thread, I've been busy with other things and /nvg/ and firearm related stuff has been on the back burner for me.
I hope that big beautiful bill gets passed so suppressors can be taken off the nfa faggotry.

Any info on soviet night vision binoculars? I'm thinking of getting some BN2 5x42.

>>63861080
you can get a Photonis PVS14 for like 2600-2700

>>63860305
>>63860399
i didnt mean to say i would be using thermal vision just to see my way around my surroundings at night, i just mean to say it's completely fine for discerning whatever it is you're trying to look at
when it comes to SHTF situations i usually have defense in mind, in which case i'd be hunkering down in a ghillie suit and shooting at raiders that have night vision crossing my neck of the woods
if i really needed to launch a raid on somebody else, first of all i'd use a drone with explosives before ever risking my own neck, but if for whatever reason i cant do that then i'd get to using night vision
and i'm not even shitting on night vision particularly hard, i just mean to say that i'd get good thermals before i got anything night vision

>>63861483
how do you expect to navigate at night in a ghillie without NV?

>>63861483
also thermal vision still reigns king even in the day, so with a thermal scope you're already opening yourself to 90% more use than you would with night vision, because you're rarely gonna be spending much time during the night to begin with
>>63861499
use a flashlight when theres no threat around, and stay hunkered down prone when there is
like hell i'm gonna be moving around much and give myself away, and if you have a fortified blind while they're just prancing around with their night vision you're at a massive advantage

>>63861509
>use a flashlight when theres no threat around
what a class-A sniper you'll make

Speaking of the NUC freeze on thermal, for the RH25v2 if anyone knows - how do you easily do the reset? It's one button in one mode and then two buttons in helmet/coti mode and inconvenient.

>>63861080
i paid 2800 for new ones with minor blems on a black friday sale

>>63856052 (OP)
One of both? Leaning to TH, obviously.

>>63862977
The NV one is digital and very weaksauce. The TH has a very low res thermal sensor (256x192) and the detection / recognition ranges aren't great. It's also overpriced versus other options like buying a used Echo 3 or the new Ziyouhu thermal red dot.
The Oneleaf kicks its ass but is somewhat ($150) more expensive, not a reflex sight and much heavier.

>>63856436
Thermal runtime can be worked around. If it takes an 18650 and USB-C power packs, roll a couple Vapcell N40s that are 4000mah instead of 2600mah typical, then a 20000mah pack. This gets you a couple days if you use it strategically.
It is very difficult to keep thermals online at a high tempo for weeks without massive power reserves.
In any SHTF scenario they'd likely be out of juice in a few weeks unless generators / solar panels hold up better than expected and people don't huff carbon monoxide from the former indoors.

>>63863319
>Oneleaf
>$1500 on Amazon
This is why I check. /nvg/ was gaga for these prerelease. As a "red dot w/thermal" I can see a place for it in any reddot role, adding thermal. But with the highly fluid tech of nv and thermal right now, the time-to-market can be product killers, if debut date is delayed. Thanks. If anyone has a superior req in the $1500 range, I'm open.

>>63862438
i mean no shit if i could afford both i'd get both and use both, but the scenario we're talking about is where you only have one or the other
i'll take moving around at night as a non-nvg peasant like the majority of the population if it means i get a good thermal scope instead

>>63863747
>superior req in the $1500 range
There are none, we speculate oneleaf is trying to carve out a niche by taking losses.

>>63862977
>>63863747
https://oneleaf.ai/mars-mt1000lrf-thermal-riflescope.html
they have a website and its $100 cheaper there than on amazon
and theres a 5% discount code i found (RCMT1000LRF) which brings it down to $1330
the holosun one is a fucking joke in comparison though, i've handled it irl and its' disgusting 256p resolution is blurry as shit, and i saw a video where they mentioned the thermal vision would literally cause screen burn in every once in a while that you had to fix by manually resetting the optic
get the oneleaf scope with the 50mm lens for the same price as the holosun and you'll have an infinitely better optic, comes with shit like a balistic calculator, reticles that have MOA markings, a larger range of color modes instead of just boring white/black hot, massive detection range, etc.
if you need a red dot too then just use quick detach mounts or something

>>63863747
Where the Holosun DRS-TH has an edge is that you can run it in overlay mode, then aim passive with i2 and get thermal fusion. However, target ID through NV through a mailbox through a 192 thermal overlay is going to be a PITA.
It's also a more suitable shotgun thermal because of the overlay mode. Better than SIG Echos. The Oneleaf isn't a thermal reflex sight, it's a conventional type thermal, but a 640x512 NUCless 60hz sensor for $1,500 is unbeatable. You will not find a thermal for that price with better specs. Even used 384 pulsars are often more.
Granted, in five years there will be something that smokes the Oneleaf. Thermals show their age quickly. I'd wager a 1280x1024 version will show up by mid 2028. $3k and it'll dominate the mid-range market.

>>63863821
I agree. Thermals aren't a huge market. If they can steal sales from a couple of smaller companies and get them to fold they'll have a share of the market to themselves. Armasight probably would fold first.

>>63863846
>by mid 2028
I appriciate your insight and it aligns with my opin that the tech is very fluid now. I have the 1leaf carted and.may go thru next month ...after at least 2 years of lurking. So I really appriciate the rec!

>>63863830
>down to $1330
Redirecting my attn (and wallet) now. Almost feel like getting 2.

>>63863861
Good shit and glad to help. Holosun really dropped the ball on DRS-NV / DRS-TH, which is disappointing because I love the rest of their stuff. My ARO gold dot is great. Everyone loves the IRIS.
I think the gameplan was that tariffs were going to be more damaging, so they would pull an Infiray and set up a totally unrelated US-based operation (RIX) that they would license various tech to. That's possibly why they expanded their lineup so quickly.

>>63863830
here is said video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyf3IUkFE4
meanwhile heres a video on the oneleaf
https://youtu.be/RrsFMPB8dRM?t=1059
>>63863846
the overlay is the only real benefit, but its mediocre compared to the nicer overlays i've seen

>>63863904
sorry for shit gif quality, i was trying to show the holosun's burn in from the video but for some reason my screen recorder shat itself

>>63861483
you have to be 18 to post here

>>63863904
They really should have given it a 384 sensor. The sensor it has makes it a CQB optic at best, but with that burn in problem it's not great for that either.
Ziyouhu has a digi-NV / fusion sight on Aliexpress for $800 and otherwise similar specs.

>>63863830
Account created, 50mm carted. Is this order site secure and legit? I'll buy today.

>>63863961
their url is the same as their brand name, which you see anywhere the optic is mentioned, so go nuts
you might wanna wait for their 70mm lens if you want really high quality zoom but 50mm is probably enough for anything out to 500 yards
but man, i really wish i wasn't broke right now so i could afford one
they better not be out of stock or bankrupt by the time i save up enough or i'm hanging myself

>>63863923
idk man i dont think about tacticool shit about all the time so i was trying to think on night vision autist terms
all i really should be saying is "thermal is good for genociding coyotes and hogs" because i dont actually give a shit about muh big igloo

>>63863983
>least consoomer /nvg/ger
I need an upgrade from my Burris anyway so I'm saving up too for the Oneleaf, but between that and new plates damn it this hobby is expensive. I want some midweight Level IVs, but Militech is being a bitch about tariffs still and won't sell to the US, Highcom did too much shady shit recently for me to trust them, RMA has no good options, LTC's stuff is mid, so I gotta save for Hesco's 4601s.

>>63863983
>wait for their 70mm lens
Hopefully offered stand-alone. Tempted to get 35mm/50mm combo, but currently <$1700, with 50mm and discount code.

>>63864029
Can't check out unless using PayPal, won't accept cc payments, lol. This close "", guys...

>>63864029
they will, but it could be as much as 1k
the 50mm lens on its own already costs $700

>>63864044
i'm sure some other anons have bought it from them who can vouch for it

>>63861300
see >>63860276 and >>63860339
They're not binoculars, but in general almost all soviet night vision is gen1

>>63864045
Germanium's a bitch. You ought to see what the 100-150mm lenses for other optics cost. Don't even get me started on cooled thermals. Infiray's got cooled 640x512 fusion binoculars that cost upwards of $75,000. (TOM-E). In terms of contrast they'll blow the Oneleaf away, but you can literally buy 56 Oneleafs for the price of one Infiray TOM-E, if not more. Equip the whole platoon with good thermals.
>>63864044
Just get a paypal man.

>>63864044
Paypal uses CC.

>>63864097
Can't even veiw my cart on thier janky websight. I'll figure it out. Probably have 3 carted by now! Lol.

>>63864106
Make sure you're not on a weird website. I haven't picked up a one leaf yet myself as I have a iray but it looks fine to me.

>>63864106
My man's gonna buy Oneleafs for the entire family.
With high-quality thermals this cheap, it's vital that expedient methods for evading thermals also come into play. We probably aren't the only ones privy to this deal.

>>63864217
well, at the end of the day, in an shtf scenario with all rules out the window a bomb usually does the best job in any scenario

>>63864223
The GEP gun on a drone takedown is always the most silent way to eliminate Manderley

>>63864217
>My man's gonna buy Oneleafs for the entire family
Got back to 1leaf checkout using my browser history, got to PayPal acct and card selected, proceeded with puchase (1 50mm unit) and got "rejected by PayPal gateway", even after approving a suspicious charge alert from my credit union. Wtf? TAKE MY MONEY!@$

>>63864217
>methods for evading thermals
Concealment concealment concealment. Not going to pretend like I have extensive knowledge in doing it myself but I have spent enough time watching all the ways thermals fail and I have paid attention to what my thermal can't see (birds hiding in trees).

>>63864286
So part of the issue is that there's now not only NIR I2 and LWIR thermal, but also SWIR and MWIR sensors. The latter two can do things I2 and thermal can't, but are rare enough that really only government or very, very rich commercial actors have them.
That will change, however. The time of the SWIR-NIR-LWIR super fusion scope will come.

>>63864328
>The latter two can do things I2 and thermal can't
Examples?

>>63864347
SWIR lasers like the MAWL-CLAD and IZLID 1064nm provide active aiming solutions but are invisible to most NIR image intensifier tubes. You need a SWIR device like an ECOSI to see them, although certain tubes and some digital NVs are capable of seeing them too.
As such, SWIR allows you to "hide" from most forces equipped with NIR. That's huge.
Unlike thermal (LWIR), SWIR can see through glass and accurately identify objects like NIR. It also sees through smoke really easily, see vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHkPIOVJOCM
SWIR reflects absorbed and reflected light instead of heat, so it's kind of half NIR and half thermal in a way.
MWIR performs more like thermal but also with a mix of SWIR too. I believe they can see through glass, like SWIR, but can detect thermal signatures just like LWIR. Also, because a lot of gear is only tested against LWIR or NIR, it is possible SWIR / MWIR can detect them.

>>63864376
>see through glass
Okay that sucks for the other guy
>through smoke
I believe that normal thermal sees through smoke easily as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAsbUJPIB4

>>63864394

>>63864394
It does definitely depend on the thermal.
>Okay that sucks for the other guy
New capability. Soon the era of Aliexpress MWIR glass-penetrating thermals and wall-penetrating radars will come.

>>63864409
There are MWIR thermals available right now, like the FLIR HISS-XLR and HISS-HD that can see non-tracers in flight, but they're over $65,000 and I think the HD is a hundred grand. Cooled 1280x1024 MWIR sensor rated for .338 norma and .50 cal. Far as I'm aware the HISS-HD is the very, very best COTI.

>>63861483
>>63861509
14 year old nigger

>>63865420
Man should know if you need to use a flashlight, minimum power and red.

>>63856052 (OP)
I am trying to decide between an Eotech EXPS3-0 and a EXPS3-1. I am putting it on what will soon be a supressed 11.5. It will see heavy night use, but will not be a 100% dedicated night gun.

I am really used to the 68MOA 'donut of death', since I have been shooting with a Eotech 512 for over a decade, and have become attached to it. Is it time to kiss the donut goodbye? I use the ring as a reference point for close range as well as bdc at long range. Are there any pros and cons im missing? The simplicity of a single dot seems worth a shot, especially for NV

>>63863846
What's the high end market then?

>>63866447
to be honest, that oneleaf scope sorta is high end
a lot of 640p thermals still go for like 3k+, and you can even find them for as much as 7k

>>63866467
What about higher resolutions? How much does thenmilitary have, 4k in stationary systems? And probably something like 1024x768 in headgear?

>>63866543
640p-1280p is what i consider the high end
384p is the standard mid range for thermals and 640p is almost twice that quality, and 1280p is twice that
anything beyond 1280p is at the point where the price would be so prohibitively expensive that you'd need to seriously consider whether buying a thermal scope is better than affording the next year of rent
>le stop being poor
you're all poorfags larping as rich people and you know it

>>63866621
>you're all poorfags larping as rich people and you know it
It's mainly one guy in multiple threads who calls people poorfags.

>>63867106
It's possible he's lashing out due to his own subconsciously perceived inadequacies. Pity he finds comfort is such ignorant reassurances.

>>63867106
He unironically has no job and stays up all night calling people poorfags.

>>63867389
Either being asshole in debt or projecting his own poverty

>>63867106
>>63867389
>>63867393
>>63867435
the people who unironically call others poorfags because they dont want to buy something completely tasteless and scalped to shit are subhuman

>>63867472
You will buy the LTC 28791 super plates and you will be $6000 poorer and marginally happier until the urge to buy a new thermal comes

>>63867472
Or industry shills trying to normalize irrational purchases based on feels and vibes and perceived drip, rather than practicality.
Keep in mind there are people here in bad faith.

I have nice NVGs and a full helmet setup.

Next thing to add is thermals.

What would you suggest with a $10k budget?

>>63867946
for a scope, as a monocular, or for overlay?

>>63867946
Jerry COTI and a Oneleaf.

>>63867949
Great question, I'm not really decided myself. I'm not sure what would add the most capability, utility, and versatility to my setup overall.

Was thinking a monocular that can be clipped in front of a rifle scope as needed?

I have two rifles, and three optics on QD mounts. An aimpoint, an ACOG, and a mid-power variable. Something I could use as a monocular to scan, or have in front of the ACOG/variable seems ideal to me.

panoramic nvg with thermal clipon overlays on all 4 tubes...

>>63868043
I wish there was an addon that can be used to transmit my RH25 to my PVS14. Unless there is.

>>63867981
unrelated but how often do you find yourself using the QD mounts
its something i want to do so i can quickly switch between thermal, a normal scope, and my irons but i worry it might just become inconvenient

>>63867981
Rh25v2 is the gold standard there, $5k a pop so $10k gets you one for both rifles.

>>63868065
>5k a pop
So falconclaw has what I think is the rh25v2 for 3.6k. What's going on there?

>>63868105
They likely bought a large batch direct from Infiray and passed batch savings to the consumer. The RH25v2's nominal price is $5k but does go down substantially for sales.

>>63859132
Infographics like the new /gq/ ones might bail us out there.

>>63868118
I wish I caught that price point before I ordered mine. Oh well.

>>63868141
/nvg/ could likely group buy the RH25v2 to get similar savings. 20 units might get us to 4.2k.
Then again that's eighty thousand tied up.

>>63868058
I use them pretty regularly but mostly because I sperg out and reconfigure my rifles.

Realistically I mainly used the QD to switch between my ACOG and Aimpoint on my SBR. ACOG most of the time, switch to aimpoint if I'm shooting with NVGs.

I only recently piggybacked a T2 on my ACOG and can aim passive through it with my NVGs so I may not need to swap at all anymore.

>>63868146
I don't think we have 20 people to buy thermals. I'm definitely not part of that number any longer since I have one now unless it's a higher resolution model or some massive upgrade. I'd rather try to get a discount on dual tubes but that's an even more expensive purchase.

>>63868278
Clearly we need to pump those rookie numbers up

It came to me in a dream. Two years from now, Infiray will release a MWIR cooled 1024 50hz thermal for $35,000 or less.

Digital IR is better for most people

For $200 you can get night vision that the average spook or normie doesn't even know exists and is really good. You have an extreme advantage with one of these.

>but muh analogue are better
Yeah at $3000

>>63868426
It ain't (for) me. I ain't not fortunate one.

>>63868449
>Frogposter makes an abhorrent ignorant post
Many such cases.

>>63868459
you're mad that people can get into the hobby for less than you did

>>63864064
>Just get a paypal man
>>63864097
>Paypal uses CC.
You'd think it would be that easy? Visa is denying the charge from pingpongshingdong, even though I cleared my credit union "suspicious activity" warning. Thx for spontaniously keeping me safe, Visa. I called my credit union, and they contacted Visa to place an inhibit on the charge restriction, not yet in effect. Linking PayPal to my new acct puts them making 2 low value deposits and withdrawing them, with me then verifying the amounts to the penny for credibility, ...may take 2-3 business days to post. I hate PayPal so much..$200 more on Amazon, w/$99/yr buyer protection is looking better.

>>63868467
>hobby
If people are frolicking in the park with shitty digital cameras that need IR lights to see 10 feet in front of them, they can have all the fun in the world they want to have. I have no issues with that.

>>63868471
Also if it's on Amazon you got a better return process but run the risk of comingling monkey models like they do with digital NV.
I haven't seen a monkey model MT1000 but I cannot prove to you they do NOT exist.

>>63868459
>just spend $5000
No.

>>63868479
how bad is digital night vision anyways
can it perform fine in ambient conditions with moonlight or is it like gen 1 where you need to blast an IR flashlight to see anything

>>63868493
It's bad. Everyone's favorite lesbian Hop tried them out at a friendly competition and he (IIRC) nearly came in dead last.

>>63868490
This is without IR btw

You can buy one of these for $400 on sale

>>63868493
I have an actual Nvg30. It's better than Gen1, works fine with moonlight. Not as good as Gen2. What kills you is the 40fps refresh rate.
>>63868490
Quit buying from goodniteshit and buy direct. sub-$300 easy.
>>63868498
Hop sold out to big LAM.

>>63868487
>return policy
Yeah, I'm this close. Fortunately, my self restraint after the last 2-3yrs is still high. I may just get the 35mm and 50mm. I have a suppressed .22 that would love the 35mm and a REPR for the 50mm. I got in early on the Laserspeed for $700/each x2 so I've been patient. And you know what? Never lost my life without nvd, yet.

>>63868529
imagine all the coyotes and rabbits you could've killed in that time with thermal though

>>63868529
I honestly would not be surprised if Oneleaf was doing something fishy and selling their stuff at a loss for some interesting purposes (cleaning cash?).
I would buy as soon as you can. If they bust out it's over.

Also, unrelated, but there's three LA-12 GLIS dazzlers for sale on ebay. Cheapest is bidding just under $400

>>63868519
I've seen nvg10's go for as cheap as $110 used on ebay. Seems like they went down in price now that the nvg30 are the supreme budget digital night vision.

Slow 30fps but its the best NVG for the money for night walks.

I mean $100. Even cheapo laptops are $300 these days. Even restaurants cost to eat out like $70 nowadays. Even used xbox's cost $350.
Anything around $100 is a steal in 2025 for good tech.

>>63868601
nvg10s are bottom barrel. Hierarchy is:
nvg10 < nvg40 < nvg20 < nvg30 < nvg50 < nvg3rd for the cheap chinese digital.

>>63866000
I'd say stick with the donut since its what you're used to, I like my 3-0 but haven't used the 3-1, for what its worth

>>63868601
>I've seen nvg10's go for as cheap as $110 used on ebay
It's because they're dogshit and people are trying to off load them.

>>63856394
inflation nigga. i don’t have 2k for a lam or 7k for dual tubes

>>63868637
People are trying to cash them out and buy nvg30s or 50s, or if they're bold the nvg3rd.

>>63868642
Just buy an HFXC damn man it's $245 a good LAM has never been cheaper
then buy an nvg30 and you have a veritable setup for $550

>>63868614
Most I'd be willing to pay is $300 I bought mine for around $320. I own the nvg30.

Any more than that I can't justify using IR, $600-700 might as well just built analogue

>>63868657
Nvg3rd was $470 for a hot minute on aliexpress. Beats the Nvg30 in every way.

>>63868637
They suck, but they are cheap. Yea you wont be able to use them without moonlight or IR but It's a $100 pair of night vision what do you expect. Just the fact that they can see in the dark 100 yards with IR on or with a little moonlight and them off make them worth it.

>>63868669
>what do you expect
As long as you set your expectations for your spy kids toy and don't think think you're going to be using them for actual shooting because some retard on /k/ told you they're good to go then there aren't issues.

>>63868653
i don’t want to spend money on chinese stuff that im going to eventually replace anyways. + /k/ and all my friends will make fun of me for it

>>63868692
/k/ is a bunch of neckbeards up to their eyes in debt from bad impulse buys made working at mcdicks. This is known.
The only thoughts that matter are your own.

>>63868703
trvke

I cant honestly look at these "people" and trust they have good intentions.

They are all just dishonest rich kids with nepo money. They just look weak

Real chads dont give a fuck about what larping children rich kids think. War is gay, even soldiers will tell you that and digital IR night vision is cool and most normies honestly don't give a shit.

>>63868754
I know at least two anons who deliberately give bad advice so in the boog the competition doesn't have an advantage. You gotta vet your shit here.

>>63868785
Instead of buying $15,000 gear they should work on moving rurally, being friendly with your few neighbors, setting up water supply and stop living in the city lmao

Just saying I live 500+ miles from any metropolitan city and my neighbor is an oldman thats a dairy farmer. I would be considered offgrid since I'm on solar with my own water supply

>>63868801
Exceptionally based, although the city may be more defensible in the coming age of thermal suicide drones....
>>63868754
And you know one thing digitals can do that most analog cannot? See SWIR without an expensive ass COTI. Ironically, digital can hide from analog with the right illuminators and lasers.

>>63868823 (me)
COSI, not COTI

>>63868823
Where I live in utah so there's always at least 15-20% moonlight because there's not many clouds. On my nvg30's I don't need to use the IR and its very clear at night when its really dark outside.

>>63868863
Certainly better than nothing, and that's the point of digi NV. Get you in the game without busting the bank.

Salutations all, I'm in need of some basic pointers. I had considered abandoning this place after the gr8 crash, but I realized that I still have not delivered on some promised things like the crew-served, dedicated nvg beretta 92fs, and such. Very soon, very nice, and I will make good on those, but I'm wrapping up an ACH helmet build right now. Here's where we're at:
>Suspension system
I'm thinking TW cam fit. I don't know if there are basic suspension systems that are good enough or if there is better in general out there now. If anyone knows anything better/cheaper, I'm all ears.
>Pads
4DT. I'm still early into my reading on these so idk what constitutes .5" vs .75" outside of one being more padded therefore slightly more comfy. Same thing applies. If know better or have suggestion, here for it.
>Cover/Paint
Would yall suggest modifying an ach cover, or should I just spray it down with rattlecan and call it a day? Most of my accessories will be going on arc rails anyways. Mono setup, so at most I may throw some spare batteries on velrco in the back.

>>63868934
>get you in the game
Your loot drop is going to be worthless.

>>63869131
because I won't be a loot drop. I can see the SWIR!

>>63856052 (OP)
Night vision goggles are a meme. Just let your eyes adjust to the dark like people have always done

Pretty certain /nvg/ is being targeted by the guy who purposely gives bad information to anons.

>>63869204
I agree, he's telling people to waste thousands on analogs so they have no money left for other preps.

>>63869234
Found you something cheaper than digital night vision bro >>63869191

>>63868703
It's interesting how poorfags are seemingly the ones who use their gear in the field more than richfags/debt slaves and contribute most to these threads. Nothing dumber than someone who has compulsive, consoomer habits and a keeping up with the Jones mentality but, invest zero into training or other important aspects of prepping.

>>63869265
>>63869204
>>63869191

Most normies can't afford a $400 impulse purchase. They dont even know what digital NVG's are. In a SHTF situation anyways water and location is more important doebiet.

All the highways will be blocked and all the gas stations will be shut down

This guy is chinese. That's why he's pushing digital nods so desperately.

>>63869265
Ding ding ding. Poorfags actually prioritize and have other obligations than just gear, like bills and family.
>>63869272
Sure they can! debtmaxx at 21% APR.
>>63869302
Cope, debtmaxxer.

>>63866000
>will see heavy night use, but will not be a 100% dedicated night gun.
T2 then. Eotech is what you get after you've already got a T2 setup. They WILL delaminate eventually.

>>63869272
>water and location
Gotta agree, most people will see a srteam as a godsend, without thinking about the dead dog laying in it, 40yrds up river.
>inb4 muh lifestraw
Ok. How you gonna carry that water? Spit it back into a canteen, or just share with someone who already has? Get a pump or press filter, losers. I like multiple forms of filtration, granvity, pump, press.
>inb4 muh solar still
Stfu faggot. That shit ain't gonna work. You'll be dead or sick in a week.

I guess digital night vision is better than nothing, but if you can't drop a few thousand on a decent analog single tube setup you almost certainly have more important and impactful ways you should be spending your money in general.

My NVGs were an entirely superfluous disposable income purchase and it still would have been smarter to put the money in an investment or home improvement as these will sit in my closet 300+ days a year and not gain value.

I just think they're cool.

>>63869310
...

Even less own thermal scopes and most normies live in the city.

85% of americans live in the suburbs or a city with mega freeways with suburbs, 10% live rural and maybe 5% truly offgrid as in their own solar setup making 7-10KW a day, 1500 gallon water tank, water rain catcher like myself.

lotta cope about having piece of shit digital night vision in here right now lmao

>>63869354
>would have been smarter to put the money in...
If you have $10k in the bank, decent nvg makes sense. After the comet hits, the paper will be worthless and the supply chain broken. But a weapon mounted thermal will feed you.

>>63869355
>7-10KW a day,
Get a load of Mr. Fancy Pants. 300WHrs/day will keep your lights on.

>>63869374
just face it a $300 chink NVG30 is nearly as good as a gen 2 analog NVG. And most normies don't even own digital NVG let alone analog because its way too expensive. No normies is buying $2500 NVG and they don't even know $300 chink ones exist.

It's less than 0.2% of the US population that has analog most of which will be killed, looted or starved of water in their cuck apartments or cookie cutter suburban homes

Rural offgrid chads with water, food storage and good neighbors will survive.

>>63869387
its only like 5k for a 10KW solar system if you do it yourself. Mine makes on average 8KW but I need it because my gaming PC takes a lot of power.

>>63869378
>After the comet hits, the paper will be worthless and the supply chain broken. But a weapon mounted thermal will feed you.
Just be we gonna play out the way it does in your head anon.

If the environment is sufficiently devastated, and the supply chain and society so thoroughly disrupted, wild game is going to go extinct before humans do.

>>63869354
I mean if someone can't scrounge 2.6k for a photonis pvs 14 then NV and thermal is not for you. People spend thousands on down payments for 60-100k vehicles, they buy boats for thousands, spend 30k on bathroom renovations. 2 and a half grand for the ability to see in the dark isn't that much.

>>63869399
idk why you keep peddling digital, but it's just not achieved that next leap yet in technology. Picrel looks like absolute dog shit and would get BTFO by a cheap ass analog.

>>63869418
>People spend thousands on down payments for 60-100k vehicles, they buy boats for thousands, spend 30k on bathroom renovations.
These are all opulent and retarded misuses of finances for someone that doesn't already have a deep enough stack to 'retire' and stop waving. If you do have that sort of capital already, then go wild and get the best tubes you can.

>>63869450
my point is people often whine about a single tube being 2.6k but they spend money on dumb shit. If you're a genuine poorfag then focus on getting a better job.

>>63869439
$300 which is good enough for most people to see in the dark and walk around with no IR, turn IR its as good as $5000 NVG, maybe not high speed shooting but good enough to defend yourself, but show me NVG analog for less than $1800 that has this value, I'm waiting.

My point stands doe gear queers are just larpers living in suburbanite american homes, they aren't actually serious about prepping, survival with the people around you.

If they were they'd buy and start a rural offgrid property, RV, build a cheap septic leach system, get a 1500-2000 gallon tank, water catcher on the roof, solar, food storage etc all of this can be achieved for 40-50k USD

>>63869406
>the road
Yes. Waay too many people. "3 weeks to wild". I'll be ready.

>>63869405
>The gamers inherit the earth
A new twist.

>>63869418
>spend 30k on bathroom renovations
But they can poop really, really comfortably.

return of sms schizo

considering buying an RH25 because I want a clip on forward weapon mounted thermal unit - Is there some smarter option if my budget is 6k?

Helmet mounting is a non-issue, my main goal is to turn my day guns into night-guns and to be able to move the thing around onto otherwise pre-configured blasters.

>>63869764
Have you looked at the DNT Hydra? They have a model with a 640x512 sensor

>>63869310
>debtmaxxer
Says the faggot using marketing buzzwords like
>This will get you in the game

>>63869520
Speaking of him how the fuck hasn't even a single person posted about the new sms 3 in 1 laser?

It's also IPX8 according to the one person that has his hands on a prototype.

>>63869875
He's right, it gets you in the game with no debt. There's ten jokers on reddit who put 4k into nods, can't pay the bills, their "partner" ABANDONED them, and now they gotta sell at a loss. Only used their nods once or twice. Damn shame.
If you have the income for good analog, it's a no shit comparison. GEN-3 will trash any digital NV. There is no contest. For people that don't have disposable income, whether because of expenses, a lack of cash flow, or because they're pu$$y-whipped and have no discretionary income, digital is their only option.
Remember friends. Divorce costs more than quad-nods. Quad nods cause divorce. Divorce leads to selling quad nods. Selling quad nods is sadness. Digital is two dinners for two at Chili's instead of the steakhouse.
>>63869955
It ironically was posted in /gq/.
>>63869964
Watch them change that a week after release like they did the HFXC. SMS is not immune from Chinese spec-bullshitting and rug pulls.

>>63870003
>he's right
Hey fag, if you're going to samefag make it less obvious.

>>63870015
There's more than three people that post here.
>>63869399
You're kinda overstating the nvg30's capabilities. It works fine in moonlight but it does not have the lux to work in darker situations. Where analog pulls ahead is 0.005 lux and below.

>>63869520
I'm convinced now that poorfag chinkshit is basically the only thing that has kept /nvg/ from becoming a brain dead patient all these years.
>2022 to 2024: Lasersneed product development
>2024: Holosun IRIS hype train and RovyVon to a lesser extent
>2025: SMS schizo and One Leaf

>>63869955
>>63869964
>we have BE Meyers Dagir at home

>>63870348
Only through the Dragon will /nvg/ and /pfg/ survive.

>>63869265
>im poor and my day job as a horse milker cant buy me 12k tubes so everyone that can afford them are in debt consoomers
You’re a faggot and the reason you are poor is you

>>63870382
>Average redditor getting their car repossessed after putting GEN-2 tubes on layaway with SEZZLE.

>>63870003
>>63870045

$300 to be able to see in low light is a lot different than $5000 binoc setup.

I'd say the performance is comparable for the price. For civilians even a cheapo $200 one using IR only is fine since nobody can see IR with your eye and 99% of people are not equipped with $5000 NVG.

At worst you are outgunned by some 0.1% autist in america who spent $6000 on NVG

At average you're going against the same person with a digital NV

At best you're literally ahead of 99% of normies since most don't care about NVG and they have much bigger expenses to worry about.

For most people just getting $5000 NVG does not make sense.

>>63870382
Why are you mad? I consider myself poor but, I do own multiple gen 3 devices including binos. I don't hate all richfags. The ones that bother me are the subset who are noshoots or act like they are set for the boog simply through owning gucci gear without having done anything else. Having personally known people sort of like that hasn't helped. I'd much rather hang out with the poorfags in this general than them. As long you're not letting your gear get to your head or turn you into a Dunning Krueger then I have no problem.

>>63870601
>set for the boog simply through owning gucci gear without having done anything else

These guys are too damn common. Fitness and training beat having marginally or even moderately better gear.
I think the guy with gen 2 binos who can run a 6:00 mile will trash the fatbody with quad nods who gets tired after a brisk walk down the street every time.

Even better to prepare for the "collapse" if it even happens, living somewhere that has good neighbors and truly offgrid. This should be the default because its a matter of principle. Utility jews and rent jews dont deserve my labor in the form of money.

I'd rather spend it on ammo, food or silver.

I can't take anyone seriously that lives on the east coast or west coast, and I can't take anyone seriously that still pays property tax or lives in a town on grid. You have to be offgrid or else you're just larping.

What will you do then when you dont have a 2500 gallon water tank or rain catcher? Rely on the utility companies to come save you? What will you do when your toilet doesn't flush, what will you do then? What will you do when your electric goes out and you cant heat anything up or cook a fire pit. What will you do then city boys?

I can't take someone who looks like this seriously.

>>63870634
Reddit has been a scourge for the preparedness movement. Defeatist "guess I'll just die!" attitudes and stealing activity away from the older traditional forums hurts newbies and drives away old heads. That's where influencers tend to gain ground. You didn't see this shit in the early 00s and late 90s. At most gunwriters and the occasional online personality, but nothing e-celeb tier.
If the "collapse" ever happens, how do you plan on hiding your off grid commune from opponents with drones? It is much easier to hide from thermals in the city, although the level and nature of human interaction in a post-collapse major city would be a stratospherically ugly urban combat catastrophe just waiting to happen.

1. Live offgrid and have sustainment systems in place
2. Get your own drones
3. Thermal surveillance and counter-surveillance methods
4. Work with neighbors to set up substantial perimeter defenses and ease logistical issues
5. Anyone that's underprepped needs loaner gear in exchange for work
6. Figure out protection against the full four-flavor spectrum. NIR (NV), LWIR (thermal), SWIR, and MWIR.
7. Everybody needs armor of some kind.
8. MEDICAL.

>>63870669
If we are talking about mad max shit, like no electricity, all services shut down for more than a year and not just regular civil unrest, full collapse of society

Well most people wont be traveling, all the gas stations are shut down and most normies do not save gas and they do not have solar. You'll probably be stuck where you're at. Cars will be pretty much useless.

For the average person in america if they arent dead already in the cities after the government blocks it off and the highways are jammed from everyone trying to leave "somewhere", it would take like 70 days(optimistic) to 100 days to walk on foot 500 miles with all the rest stops, water searching, sleeping, eating food, etc.

>>63870708
Valid points. I think what a lot of people miss about the drone scare is that drones need electricity. Large use of them requires an electrical footprint. If services are shut down for more than a year as you propose, it will be very, very difficult for anyone but ex-government actors to maintain electricity for that long.
Solar is one way, massive propane / diesel reserves are another, but both are ripe for sabotage.
My opinion is that the first few weeks of any "collapse" are going to be an absolute shitshow of biblical proportions, things will level out a few months in and by year 2 clear powers will emerge that will set the state of play.
Humans are social animals and warlords will eventually take control of herds. That's why it helps to have neighbors. You have to sleep at some point, need someone to watch your shit. Watch your ass. Watch and man the farm, patrol the treelines, handle the drones.

Realistically you need at least thirty men to defend any serious "compound" from a guerilla infantry siege unless there's a severe training / gear disparity in your favor (solid thermals + NV and opfor is trying to bum rush you at night with nothing).

>>63869454
>focus on getting a better job
you make it sound so easy
literally impossible right now to even get an entry level job or even a simple desk job

>>63871054
We need a /pfg/ infographic on gainful employment.

>>63870778
It would be a good time to invest in hesco walling in storage containers on your homestead property. They just werk for fortification if you have a family you could easily setup a secure base. Not even 50 cal would penetrate it. To get a 500sqft perimiter it wouldnt even cost that much

You'd need a tractor to fill them, and your fucking house would look a god damn military base, but it would be secure. Just have someone patrol at night with thermal binocs with a ladder at each 4 corners with a combat rifle and plenty of ammo. You could realistically get away with 3 people in the apocalypse.

>>63871054
>literally impossible right now to even get an entry level job or even a simple desk job
Odd, as I get emails for openings, and agencies offing $1000/Q just to go in to work and stay on. Oh, LOTS of openings. Have you registered with a job board listing your skill set?

>>63872010
>skill set
>>63871054
You do HAVE a skill set, r.right?
>inb4 nah, i just get high and blew off high school, cuz HIGH school, amiright? I'm a gamer and work sucks, why don't girls like me?

>>63872010
they want YOU because you have experience
theres hundreds of job openings, but every single one i apply to ignores me in favor of someone else, even though i could curb stomp just about every other applicant with my microsoft office skills and 71 wpm typing speed
>>63872065
i do, i'm plenty skilled at a lot of things, but companies dont care unless you've used those skills for a job

>>63871440
Until he gets clipped by a sniper wearing barracuda netting in the treeline or hiding behind a glass window in the next house.
Optimally you need drones and patrols outside the perimeter too. Cameras as well.

>>63872073
Get an internship, that's what htey are for. Also, curb your hostility, don't curb stomp your competition. This attitude is what you carry in your heart, and most people don't want hostility in the workplace.
>be hostile
>go to interview
>where do you see yourself in 3 years?
>I'll have your job with my mAd sKillZ!
>i can type!
>also, you have really nice tits!! Hggnn! :D

>>63872312
i was meming, but you dont get it, IM the one getting curb stomped by the competition right now, all because of an unfair comparison of experience
also i've seen some truly terrible business practices from some of these companies, i had an online """interview""" for one job where they played a prerecorded video of a guy with broken audio so i couldnt even hear him, and they set it up like a video call where i was getting recorded

>>63872345
I think you might be trying to join bullshitters from Poonch.

>>63872345
>unfair
In your initial phn screen, you can COUNT upon 1-2 question askers and 1-2 silent witnesses IM'ing thier questions to the facing team. Research "how to interview", your confidence and pertinent answers will sell you. The questions I disfavor the most start with
>tell me about a time when you...
This interview style can be awkward and put you on the spot. Use your creativity to fill in blanks in work experience, mainly relying upon your people skills instead of workplace situations. You can practice these in advance. My last interview was a slam dunk, and I knew it.
>how do you manage your time?
>I list 5 methods or various techniques and advantages/disadvantages to each
>end with humorous story, lol bros!
Don't be too serious.

>>63872345
>i've seen some truly terrible business practice
Forgot to add, shake off the rejections. You wouldn't want to work there anyway.

NVG30 good enough for night hikes? I don't want to broadcast my location to would-be threats with a bright ass flashlight that can be seen a hundred miles away on flat desert terrain. I read it processes at 40fps, so maybe driving with the headlights off might still be a stretch.

>>63872473
It's acceptable with moonlight and some cloud cover. It's 0.001 lux so it cannot help in much darker situations without using the illuminator.
Nvg3rd has a better sensor but is harder to source. Do not buy from goodnitegear.

>>63872484
>harder to source
https://www.amazon.com/Miasazyr-NVG3rd-Helmet-Vision-Goggles/dp/B0DHL5MH45
NTA, but am I missing somting?

>>63872484
>Do not buy from goodnitegear.
They're cheaper on Ebay but I'm not sure if that's a direct manufacturer or a scam.

>>63872406
thats not the problem, its getting to the interviews in the first place thats difficult, i feel like i do fine during them and dont stiffen up, though i almost wonder if coming across as stiff and anxious about it could help by getting me pity points

>>63872508
It's a $600 dollar Digi NV WITH huge import charges. Anyone who buys it for $800 on Amazon is getting bent over. Use Alibaba and Aliexpress.
The reason for the price difference is that the sensor is 0.0001 lux vs 0.001 and the unit is also higher resolution. It's lighter and more compact than the NVG30 too.

>>63872514
Keep in mind there are reports of greatly inferior Nvg30s and Nvg50s out there. Apparently even Goodnite is selling monkey model nvg50s.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/comments/1l8dulb/psa_goodnitegear_baitandswitched_me_with_two/
Buy direct from mfg on Alibaba or Aliexpress.

>>63872521
>help by getting me pity points
Not if I was interviewing you. This is business, not charity. Volunteer at the library and hosptial. Now you can flesh out your resume. If your skill is typist, consider data entry.
>inb4 data entry sucks
Yes, yes it does.

>>63872545
Work retail, become a people person and learn to survive adversity.

>>63872687
>be homeless fent addict, become a people person and learn to survive adversity
Niether sounds like fun. Confucius tells us
>enjoy what you do, and you will never work a day in your life
The dwarves tell us
>whistle while you work

>$1k
Should I put thermal rds on my pistol?

>>63872728
>thermal on a pistol
but why

>>63872728
Good lord. What are you doing?
>240x210 sensor
>25 hz
For only $330 less than a 640x512 60hz Oneleaf with a ballistic calculator and rangefinder.
There's a reason why that X vision is half off. 25hz is ass cheese in a rusty blender. This is also too big for a pistol.
If you're talking about the Holosun DPS-TH, however, as a pistol sight, it's still packing the weak sensor of the DRS-TH and it's an even smaller mailbox. However, the overlay is at least better than a face-backlighting full thermal screen

>>63872752
It concentrates your focus into a tiny little box, backlights your face, and makes target ID difficult. It's high end mall ninja shit.

>>63872728
Is this that optic that only lasts for 2 hours and then is literally useless after the battery dies?

>>63873489
Oh and by literally useless I mean you can't even see through it. one of those pistol thermal dots being advertised is like that.

>>63871440
Just use thermal, the US army did in afghanistan

>>63873494
All of the screen-type thermals are like that. That goes for every pistol thermal except the DPS-TH.

>>63869344
I am a has stream and acres. If I filtered and boiled the water out of it, would that help with the dead dog juice?

>>63873821
>>63873494
only real way to do it would be to have a thermal overlay for it or something
also can someone explain to me why the neck of the thermal vision sticking out doesnt cover the sight picture on nvgs?

this shit is like fucking fallout what the hell

>>63874020
It's due to the lens design of the NV that it doesn't see the neck of the COTI.
As for the overlay issue, you're right. Thermals are almost always dead weight without power.
>>63874067
The moment the Chinese master this technology, they'll combo it with the Nvg3rd and produce a digi-fusion Nvg4th for $900 a pop. It'll destroy all.

>>63874067
Give me a cheap version of this for my PVS14.

>>63856052 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0qLdP3l8D4

>Quad tubes and dual tubes in the middle of the day
These assholes really do have too much money.

>>63874385
cops are kinda based sometimes
even though their pay isnt always amazing, the departments themselves get a lot of budget to basically spend on almost whatever they want for arms and equipment
so sometimes you see them buying a shit ton of machine guns or nvgs like this
would be way happier if all the tax money getting sent to israel was sent to more fun shit like this

>>63874432
>based for spending 50,000 of our dollars for quad tubes while larping in the day time as soldiers

>>63874637
atleast they're having fun
you pay jews way, way, way more than that to fuck kids

>>63874679
Some of you guys suck so much cock it's more disgusting than usual.

>>63874714
post nose

>>63874724
>not wanting to give my taxpayer money to small hats or their bots means I'm part of the tribe
Confirmed, not only are you a faggot but also retarded.

>>63856403
Just don't be poor and you don't have to choose.

>>63874889
This can't see through an optic can it?

>>63874901
I think that "FWS-1 Out of Range" message is supposed to be some sort of smart optic integration.

>>63874934
Neat for easy identification of targets at least. Until then COTI will need to be utilized.

>>63873912
>If I filtered and boiled the water out of it, would that help with the dead dog juice?
Surely so. Most modern filter systems will suffice for everything, but viruses. Including pharmaceuticals waste. Fallout could be sketchy. Your filters will become contaminated, a spring is the best source. Portable, I like the Platypus Gravity Works. Stationary, I like the Big Burky. There are many beta tier copies of both. I also keep Aqua Pure tablets, unscented Dollar Tree bleach, an MSR Mini Worx and Geopress. I would be willing to drink dead dog water from any of these. I consider my life straw more BSA meme, but better than nothing.

>>63874963
Oneleaf COTI would be the dream brah

>>63876073
Not sure what you mean by pharmaceutical waste, but molecular contaminants are usually much harder to remove than particulates, even viruses. Some very large macromolecules like monoclonal antibodies might get caught in reverse osmosis membrane filters, but most will go right through. Activated carbon filters are fairly effective against drugs and other chemical contaminants, but have a very finite lifespan when used for that purpose.

Fallout, on the other hand, is basically dust. It's very easy to remove. If there's enough fallout with high enough activity that your filter gets contaminated enough to pose a danger, then you're already fucked just from being in the environment.

>>63878934
>pharmaceutical waste
SanDeigo county is 100% toilet-to-tap, people on prescription meds pee in the tap water, before it is reclaimed. Sewage reclaimation plants to not remove this waste.Viruses typically range in size from about 20 to 300 nanometers (x^9) in diameter. A water molecule is approximately 0.28 nanometers across. Ceramic water filters typically ranges from 0.2 to 0.5 microns (x^6).

>>63878847
One leaf doesn't seem very interested in doing anything like that. They will offer a QD mount for their mars thermal if you ask them though - which doesn't really do much.

>>63856403
Not really.

>>63869964
because SMS advertisers dont know that the /nvg/ thread is back up. Just wait for the next /nvg/ thread and watch within the first 10 post "someone" will post SMS.

>>63880648
sms schizo was here fifty posts ago brah

>live in Europe, densly populated rural area
>hunting is basically a policing action to guard farmers fields from animals fucking them up
>the government finally legalizes NV and thermals, to help genociding board because of ASF
>dad buys a NV scope, I come over to check it out
>he mentions how everything looks strange and animals act different at night
>that night we go hunting
>turns out there's a lot more deer living around the village than I ever expected
>I'm fascinated to see how they stand up on two legs a lot during the night as if they were looking around
>some do strange head moves that look like dancing
>some move quickly and nervously between herds, completely different than in the light of the day
>whatever we are after the piggies not them anyway
>fast forward a few weeks
>I speak to dad and he says the deer no longer act strange at night
>I check it out on our next hunt and they are just grazing, exactly the same way as during the day
Have anyone experienced anything like that? Dad is genuinely convinced they noticed we can see them in the dark now and pretend to be "normal".

>>63882126
It's because they can smell you or potentially even hear you and they're not sure what is out in the darkness so they're being cautious.

>>63882126
deer at night are nightmare fuel

why are thermal scopes seemingly so underused in the military?
i understand that for most encounters you want something that can have a wider point of view and is good for close range encounters, but for something like a squad automatic weapon, all kinds of machine guns, and soldiers who know they're going to be engaging at long range in the open, it almost even seems stupid not to use it
is it mainly an issue of durability?

>>63883894
>t. cried watching Bambi

>>63884413
now that you mention that i just realized i never watched that yet
its the creepy pastas that scared me over deer though

>>63864376
This guide got me looking into military lasers more. Holy fuck i didnt realize how many different types the US adopted.
Ive only used the peq 2, peq 15, and one of the dazzlers. Makes sense theres some more specialized stuff for longer range but the shear amount is wild, and you almost never see or hear about them.

panobridge or duals, and why?

>>63884435
>i never watched that ye
You may never see it. Song of the South, Bambi abd dozens if not hundreds of reels of Disney were time capsuled as "non-inclusive" or too scary.
>t. mfw you will never watch 'Old Yeller' on Sunday night Disney again

>>63874114
can you explain in more detail about the lens design and why it cant see the COTI?

>>63884490
duals, pano heavy and costs more after you buy components individually, only advantage is you can separate them

>>63864376
literally the only ones on here worth a damn are the M6TR Vcsel, IRIS, and D2. Everything else is overpriced LARP shit or trash.

>>63884102
durability, batteries (eats them like a mfer), cost. Also daytime everything is already hot as fuck, harder to ID targets. More of a night time thing.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/L3-Communications-AN-PSQ-23-STORM-PI-Vis-IR/148-2505328/

This is 100% stolen from the national guard right?

>>63886850
>M6TR
>$1100
Did I read the tea leaves when I got 2x@$700/ea? I feel like I did. Give me a day and I'll do the same for the 1Leaf MT1000LF 50mm. Question 2x 50mms, or 1 50mm and 1 35mm? A 50mm seems bulky on my sbr carbine, I see 35 mm a downgrade in performance and an upgrade in portability.

>>63887208
>read the tea leaves when I got 2x@$700/ea? I feel like I did
the 1100 dollar version is the VCSEL version from Cold Harbour Supply it is the gen 3 updated design but yea for 700 for older gen also a good deal, the VCSEL version is legit.

>>63887198
lol yes. Any mil laser requires creds sent for any repairs so you'd be stuck repairing yourself or finding some NEET terminal online guy to repair it for you.

>>63887257
Just as well. Its not like ive got that kind of cash to burn right now.
Id say how hard can a laser be to repair but i think finding a broken one would be just as difficult and only slightly cheaper.
I dont really want everyone running around blinding each other but i hate how much cool shit is gov/mil only.

>>63884651
Think of the lens like an eyeball. When it's focused on things far away things up close are blurry. If thin enough they can disappear from view entirely.
>>63886850
It's really meant to show the field as most of the new infographs do. I can slap some stars like I did on the radio infographic for preferred options.
>>63886857
Typical thermal runtime is 4-8 hours. Three weeks in the field always on requires 63 charges or battery swaps per man. That's a lot of 18650s for a squad. How do you plan on recharging?
Also factor in cost of germanium.
>>63887276
You just missed an LA-12 Glizzy sell on fleabay for $450. Talk about an eye fryer.
Laser eyepro is 100% a necessity as dazzlers and ebay blinding lasers gain prominence. Goes double for anything IR. That 1500mW VSLIM is both an eye and a skin hazard!

>>63887368
Its stronger than anything remotely practical by like 20x. Im never going to need to point a laser at something nearly 10km away but it would be cool to be able to.
Im for sure not treating these with the respect they deserve but theyre so far out of reach its not worth considering the real world complexities.

>>63887432
The VSLIM is more a focusable illuminator. It has a crappy spill but was intended to illuminate out to 2km for NV optics.
The LA-12 is lawsuit bait of the highest caliber but would be hypothetically useful in certain situations as a standoff deterrent device. Still LAWSUIT BAIT.

>>63887208
>I'll do the same for the 1Leaf MT1000LF 50mm.

>Question 2x 50mms, or 1 50mm and 1 35mm?

>>63887492
Its crazy how powerful this stuff is and you basically never hear or see them.

>>63888207
That's probably by design. Imagine some chucklefuck taking up position above a concert with two VSLIMs in his pockets, fifty yards away from the crowd. Waves them around towards the crowd the whole time. Hundreds of people will wake up the next morning needing (much) stronger glasses, and with higher risks of skin cancer, and nobody would ever know why. Your eyes do not react to IR like they do visible light. This will likely and hopefully never happen, since the VSLIM sells "second hand" for 8k a pop and is super rare.
Scary shit still. Now there are even stronger IRs out there in the multi-watt range, but they're not obtainable in the slightest.

>>63887368
>If thin enough they can disappear from view entirely
ah ok i get it, thank you

Am I the only one who thinks RPO lenses look worse than just Carson milspec? a lot of flaring on ambient light sources

>>63886850
I prefer the non Vcsel m6tr

if mounting a laser at the 3oclock position on an mlok rail using a pic rail adapter, would it be better to use a 5 slot that has 3 anchor points instead of a 3 slot with only 2 anchor points? Or would it not matter as long as they are installed correctly? I have limited rail space on top and plan on getting a thermal clip on in the future.

is this real? i know there are tons of fakes, seems too good to be true.
however, this is from a HUGE seller and it's the seller's only tactical/military item.
they may just be ignorant.

description:
>wilcox L4g24
>Colour: Tan version
>Condition: like new, in box
>details :I bought this item as part as job lot with other bits not sure of the history of it
>Thanks for looking

https://www.ebay.com/itm/286663777851?_skw=wilcox+l4+ratchet&itmmeta=01JYJJGM8365RETQP00WARW80S&hash=item42be7e1e3b:g:qvgAAeSw3tRoUsn5&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1c9yTE9s8VZvhVZRrZhvSYzo6z0jxgxt%2BLjVicKwj5DdnDjB0z6t6C8fqAUaz91pUfahAdagev3h0FWvcrEMfGh7e1fn96Qm2P4PSsCYENG8B3OCzO2JMD3fpJdbXvcXcFcbEBDywkhcdWRa568YgMvqs1IdCS2hOh4fd02ecHU3AEnLmVEXG08Se1CoU3sYznjbdkP8862dYQyHPh4RCmbg3wEjY1VJF%2Bz5g2zNIbN63nX7CJkelgEAX8e8HMRhV%2BuVSaWgiJfeTKU%2FNEqC%2FMA4YKIcKfH6SSTERQGgRz6nA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5bEwtL0ZQ

>>63892995
happens all the time
some people genuinely are just kind and dont want to price gouge over something they got for cheap or free and dont have a use for
happened to me where a gun part i got in the past was no longer needed and it had gained a bit of value over time but i sold it at the price i got it for anyways
now buy it before someone else here sees the link and takes it

>>63893309
how do you know if it's a real wilcox or not though?

>>63893314
who would be willing to fake all the markings on this? anyone making a fake this good might as well just start selling their own helmet mounts

>>63893324
that's just printed, it's not very hard. every chinese company churning out fake clones of optics or anything else prints all the info that was on the thing they copied.

>>63893333
i stand corrected, i guess fakes are common
heres a comparison though i'm not sure which is which

>>63893340
my guess is the left because of the pinkish knobs, but that may be specific to that knockoff and not universally true of all fakes.

>>63893340
yeah real wilcox have a more detailed "X" in the name, and they show the actual patent numbers.
also darker anodization

>>63893375
so the ebay one is fake
how bad are the fakes anyways, are they just clones that are slightly worse, or a complete scam

>>63882126
I wouldn't worry about it. :)

>>63893393
most fake stuff is potmetal. you can see the fake doesn't even have the same dimensions

whats the slimmest, lowest profile bump helmet you can possibly get
i had the idea for a ridiculous cowboy larp setup and my idea is to attach a wide brimmed gambler hat over it
>why
blame fallout and rdr2

>>63893731
If you don't care about impact protection, Crye skullcap.

>>63894427
needs to be a helmet, mainly so the nods dont shift around while i'm using them

>>63892489
Yeah, real questions don't get answered in this circle jerk.
>>63892995
>that fucking link
Dude.

>>63894540
Get a footbal helmet, think man!

>>63894554
it's just ebay

>>63895160
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/286663777851?
Could have just shortened it to that mayne.

>>63897333
>leave in ?
>obliterate unnecessary?
I am always torn. I usually leave it in. Perhaps due to unresolved emotional trauma. I'm working on it.

>>63897474
>unresolved emotional trauma
Was it from sms schizo?

>>63868449
The average person wouldn't have any kind of NVG is actually a valid starter point. 200$ isn't even a flicker compared to $3000 in term of funding availability for normal people.

>>63868449
>$200
at that price point you might as well get a china security camera with an external charger and strap it to your head and save $100 buckeroos

>>63897497
Hell, I thought I was sms schizo. So yeah, I guess.

>>63898246
How do you port the img to a dispray?

>>63868490
>>63869459
>chinkshit promo pics shot in open field with clear sky full moon

>>63868449
All you're getting for $200 is a shitty IR flashlight filtered through a shitty camera and displayed on a shitty tiny LCD screen. You would be far better off just getting a decent normal flashlight.

>>63898739
Take into account lux values. Selling digital short is a fool's gambit.

>>63899609
>please buy my digital nvgs I need to sell them so badly
lol

>>63899659
Nah man, happy with my nvg30
If everyone who couldn't afford analog spent $200 on an nvg30, it would redefine the state of play.

>>63899682
>redefine the state of play
nice buzzwords viral marketer.

Anyone actually wanna talk about actual NV stuff and LAMs or just schizo digital fag? the state of this board is grim.

>>63899728
For the small percentage of people on /k/ who aren't shills and are allowed to own guns they're out chasing KAC and don't have enough money to buy real nods or thermal.

>>63899728
Real nv talk there's a shitload of dazzlers on ebay right now.