Thread 63856191

Sig won. Staccato lost. Ben Stoeger lost. Sig's releasing a "2011" pattern pistol, the Sig P211

ok

that's great, honey

That's nice, dear.

Yeah

Fuck ya
mudda

>>63856191 (OP)
Just wait until Ben Stoeger gets one and drop tests it in his garage and it goes full auto

>>63856191 (OP)
What's the over/under on dicks blown off with this one?

thank you saar
ben is proudy bitch lasagna
rupees and fraandship for you
now open cloth

>>63856191 (OP)
And?

>>63856191 (OP)
>Sig won
No
>Ben Stoeger lost
lmao, no

>People don't trust Sig pistols
>Economy is declining, people don't want to spend lots of money
>People think Sig is overpriced
>Sig releases an overpriced high-end pistol

Where's the win, exactly?

>>63856191 (OP)
I cant wait to watch it fail despite the millions Cohen will pump into shills and guntubers. Trash company

>>63856191 (OP)
christ those grips look uncomfortable

>>63856191 (OP)
Sigs aren't even allowed on ranges anymore they're so dangerous.

>>63856191 (OP)
That looks ugly as all hell and uncomfortable to boot.

I do be liking that 226 tho

>>63856191 (OP)
after years of bullshit trends like blowback pccs then tacticshit lever guns i see we are now im the era of 2011s

>>63856191 (OP)
>indian MIM everything
>cold hammersaared barrel

Does it have shake-awake?

That's nice but I and perhaps a handful of others on this here board will never give sig a single shekel

>>63856191 (OP)
woah, cant wait for it to cost 10k$ in my country

>>63856191 (OP)
I see they've just given up on the drop safety thing.

>>63856191 (OP)
I don't know what's up with the recent trend of companies making the front slide serrations look different from the rear serrations, but it can't end soon enough. I see what they were going for with the same shape inverted, but it just looks like a mess of random lines going everywhere.

>>63859363
Not defending their aesthetic decisions, but you need the serrations on the dorsal flats for overhand slide racking, as is the current style.

>>63856191 (OP)
>manual safety
Oh, they’ve learned

>another tryhard looking 2011 with a magwell the size of MAC's mom's blown out asshole
>edgy name GTO
>still has a grip safety even though it has a thumb safety
yawn

At least it uses already available mags and doesn't have a proprietary rail I guess.

>>63859490
I've always found the minimal forward slide serrations of the late 2000s to be the best balance. Some serrations are nice, but the full wrap-around slide ribbing is unnecessary and ugly. If someone's grip strength is so weak that they have trouble racking a slide (off the front) with something like basic P320 forward serrations, then they can just use the rear ones. The excessive serrations seem more like a terrible aesthetic decision than a practical decision.

>>63859666
I think they should just cut the bullshit and make the front half of the slide round and knurled like a barbell—deadass make a deal with Rogue to put the knurling from their aggro bar on that bitch and let the soft cunts cry about it

>>63856191 (OP)
Tony Cowden? USPSA cheater?

>>63859584
Grip safety provides insurance against inertial trigger pull discharges in the event of a muzzle up drop with thumb safety off

>>63856191 (OP)
well at least now when it's not drop safe they can pretend it's on purpose.

>>63860378
Look at that trigger and tell me with a straight face that it's going to cause an inertial pull.

>>63858586
I thought that was already over?

>>63859363
TF is that grip angle? It looks super gay but that tracks with how gay sig is now.

>>63859584
I keked have a (you)

Since it uses P320 mags, I wonder if it'll have a grip that's even a little smaller than a typical 2011 like a Staccato P. After all, they are thicker than even a gigantic pistol like the MK23.

>>63860412
If the trigger pull is sufficiently light, it's not totally implausible. 1911/2011 triggers are a lot bigger on the inside.

From what height? Idk, maybe an improbably high one. But extra measure for peace of mind and security is not necessarily a bad thing.

>>63859584
>edgy name GTO
It's not edgy at all. "Gran Turismo Omologato" being a mark of distinction is Boomer-coded—there's no way whoever made that call is under 50.

Has there ever been a $2000 stock pistol that won a competition which had riced up G19s in it?

>>63857118
if a big bill passes, people will want to spend lots of money - but not on that shit lmao

>>63860430
what

>>63863599
what

>>63856284

Ways lil benny can get a Sig
a) buy
b) steal
c) find a lost one
d) receive one from any entity other than the Sig shooting team for free or a reduced price

Ways lil benny can NOT and will NEVER get a Sig
a) free from Sig

>>63864573
"maybe notoriously charismatic and easy-to-work-with pro shooter Ben Stoeger could persuade them that giving him one for free would be a good PR move—a show of good faith and demonstration of belief in their product"

>GTO
>not a big block
They had one job

>>63861758
Nobody trying to win is shooting a 19—the compact grip, despite all the "All guns should be Glocks, all Glocks should be 19s" people's apologia, is noticeably less forgiving than a full-size like a 34 or 47. That being said, the fact that gently-tuned Glock-brand Glocks are competitive at all is a huge indictment of the $2000+ Carry Optics gun genre.

>>63856191 (OP)
Unless this is under $1800, and specifically $1800, it's dead on arrival.
No one is going to pay a penny over that for a potentially self-firing 2011 when you can get a staccato for a little bit more

>>63865305
With Sig's current reputation, it'd have to be cheaper than a Shadow 2 or Prodigy to be remotely competitive to anyone not procuring it for "my agency can't afford Staccatos and Sig's a good brand, right?" reasons

>>63865193
stooger is even more of a prima donna then he was when Sig kicked him off their shooting team.

>>63865592
Does it count as being a prima donna when you're no-bullshit one of the best around, not just in terms of ranked results but also in terms of being able to explain what he's doing to laymen?

>>63865631
Lil Benny (I stole this from another anon)
hasn't won a championship in 10 years.
He's a has been.

>>63867883
>Lil Benny (I stole this from another anon)
>hasn't won a championship in 10 years.
>He's a has been.
brutal.exe

>>63865592
Show me a pic of him on Team Sig, to my knowledge he only shot for Tanfoglio and joked about joining to get GBRS/Fieldcraft Survival money.

>>63870134
It's a common known fact that Sig L.I.T.E.R.A.L.L.Y. told him that he was too immature and needed to quit causing so much drama.
I thought even no-guns knew this.

>>63867883
he hasn't really competed because he was banned from USPSA and he just teaches full time

if sig ever fixed their bore height maybe their guns would be ok, if it looked like pic attached maybe i'd buy one considering you'd have to FUBAR the design completely to make a 1911 fire by itself

>>63865328
Most of the stuff they are putting out rn seem like duds, and this whole event seems really expensive. On top of that the costs for R&D for all this crap. I wouldn't be shocked if they declared bankruptcy in the next couple years. They are really going into overdrive rn and it's not working, their recent sale on all their stuff was pretty damning

>>63871625
Sig's whole design language is derived from they hastily converting a shitty DAO pistol into a striker fire which then conveniently and accidentally started making them some money. Of course they're height over bore is gonna be fucked, it's like that because of the hammer system the 320 used to have. It's always been auspicious that they always said the 320 is the "most" tested pistol of all time, because they themselves haven't even tested it or thought to deeply about it's design at all. The same thing applies to all their shit in general. It's funny that retards have been sucking them off in the past couple years for being "innovative" and not just a company with a bunch of poorly thought out gimmicks. All of that to say, there was always a 0% chance they were gonna "fix" or improve the 2011

>>63871702
>>63871687
>>63871625
>>63865328
SAMEFAG
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>>63859584
It will shoot you if you look at it wrong

>>63861758
No
handguns were solved in the 80s
the right shooter with a glock will always outperform everyone else in 99.9% of scenarios

>>63873159
And that explains why glock has won all those world championships.

Oh wait...

>>63874628
You saying they haven't? Don't tell me that it's all 2011s?

>>63871625
You don't own guns.

>>63859713
IDK what knurl is on my cerakoted Rogue EZ Curl, but its perfect IMO.

>>63876644
Probably their standard volcano knurling (left)
That post was largely in jest—20LPI checkering would be more than adequate for all but the most greasy and masochistic shooters and easier to actually put on a handgun slide.

>>63871625
>fixed their bore height

Why oh why do so many fucking summer fags always shit up /k/ ?

>>63856191 (OP)
>Website has no pricing info whatsoever
Either they're embarrassed to admit what it costs, or this is for people who have so much they don't care. Weird thought, but wouldn't it be possible to do 2011-style double-stackening of a p210? I guess that would mean Sig can't copy everyone else's homework, but it would add some uniqueness to justify whatever the price tag is.

>>63876746
Agreed. I just know when I grab a Hammer Strength bar at either of my local gyms, I hate them.

>>63859713
I heard you like knurling so we knurled the entire gun

>>63876917
2600 or so. James Reeves has a video with Max Michaels who has been pushing for a Sig 2011 for like 20 years since he's been sponsored by Sig and forced to shoot their guns

>>63876955
Hell yeah, knurl all the things.

What's with the trapezoid thingy? Part of the comp?

Also, did they seriously make this frame so that you can't use someone else's comp? Like not ever??

>>63876955
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>63877008
>What's with the trapezoid thingy? Part of the comp?
threadless barrel attachment, so it's 50 state legal

>trp does nothing for 30 years
>wins
hate to sound like a boomer but modern 1911's look so fucking cringe I wish they would just let it die. they will never be a 100% reliable service gun unless you pay some guy $4k to hand fit every part off the assembly line vs a $500 tuppershit assembled by a highschool dropout with a slight alcohol problem

>>63877146
Based. 5" Govt. or bust.

>>63877146
1. TRP *is* a modern 1911—you can tell by the capacity of 9 rounds of 9mm
2. we're talking about 2011s here
3. Any off-the-shelf Glock-brand Glock will comfortably pass the 2000 rounds no lube/no cleaning test, which makes it a 99.95% reliable service gun at a $600 price point

>>63877146
That's the funniest part about the surge in popularity of 2011s. I've heard for my whole life how the 1911 is an outdated platform, cocked and locked carry hasn't been in style since the 80s, and my personal experience with 1911s has led me to agree that it doesn't hold up against modern options. Then in the last 5 years, suddenly everyone has forgotten about the size, heavier weight, SAO trigger, grip safety, and "complicated" disassembly just because muh doublestack 9mm. Gun companies are just finding new ways to rebrand the same old shit and sell it to gullible people as the newest cutting edge gadget.

>>63877271
>I've heard for my whole life how the 1911 is an outdated platform
You fell for the pleb cope from glocksuckers.
>hurrr evry gun shud be glawk, ery glawk shud be 19, durrrrrrr
When 90% of niggers think it's the best gun ever, you know you've made a mistake.

>>63877271
>Gun companies are just finding new ways to rebrand the same old shit and sell it to gullible people as the newest cutting edge gadget.
Like endlessly recycling Browning's tilting barrel design for the last century?

>>63877271
You clearly don't understand how many people have been looking at the results that 2011 competition guns get and wet-dreaming of a duty gun that was that easy to shoot. I totally agree that 99.9% of cops will never, ever, no matter how much they practice, out-shoot their issued G17, but if you're a LEA with a practically unlimited budget and a reputation for getting practically unlimited results, the temptation is there, isn't it?

>>63877282
every modern gun is a glock tho
tupperware frame, striker fired, some fancy tactical metal treatment name (its just parkerizing) and the ability to take 30rd assault sticks
>>63877298
well I mean you are more than free to invent a new way. rotating lock, locking block, blowback and gas blowback is already taken
>>63877302
competition shooters do cz with cope-more sights or some long slide goon tape red dot rice glock with a man made horror stripling job that would send even the most docile of autists into sensory overload with a trigger undercut so pronounced it would make billybob from hazard kentucky blush

>9MM
I sleep, wake me up when it's in 45ACP.

>>63877841
Get with the times grandpa, 1911s aren't for 45 anymore, they're high capacity soft shooting 9mms with crisp single action triggers! I know you didn't have anything like that in your day, but just try to wrap your head around that concept after your second nap, alright?

pic unrelated

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>>63876837
Fuck off, been here since forever. Tell me what's wrong with my statement. Sig's have a higher bore axis than most other modern pistols.

>>63877989
Touchy little faggot, aint ya

>>63877989
You do not own guns. You have little to zero experience shooting guns. Yet you are posting with implied expertise in a gun thread. Curious.

>>63877989
Bore axis does not matter that much. It can make things worse but having a super low bore axis doesn’t help as much as having a smooth action. Whatever JMB did for the 1911 fucking worked, a 9mm 1911 will be one of the smoothest shooting guns ever, aluminum or steel.

>>63877574
>some fancy tactical metal treatment name (its just parkerizing)
ferritic nitrocarburizing, thank you
completely different

>>63856191 (OP)
is it going to have thousands of ignored issues like going off on its own in a holster, poor QC, or MADE IN INDIA SAAAAR!!!

>>63856191 (OP)
Ben Stoeger NEVER LOSES AGAINST SIG.

>>63856191 (OP)
what's the deal with that ugly seam under the top grip screw

Stoeger is the Nick Fuentes of /k/

>Ben Stoeger
>>63865193
>>63865592
>>63865631
>>63867883
>>63868906

>>63883122
Ben Stoeger is whiter than your average SIG employee, SIG fanboy, and you

>>63884465
NTA but your non-denial speaks volume.

>>63883122
He’s actually relevant so he can’t be that gay Mexican.

>>63856191 (OP)
Drop safe?

>>63887575
Yes, series 80 internals so it has a firing pin block. A standard series 70 1911 can only go off if the firing pin gets enough inertia to defeat the firing pin spring, so only if it’s dropped muzzle down. Otherwise the 1911 is safe, the grip safety prevents the trigger from pulling itself via gravity, the manual safety locks the hammer in place, and if the gun has proper sear engagement and spring pressure it shouldn’t be jostled from a drop.

>>63887587
Even siggers can fuck that up. Jeet mim parts are a bad move pushed by a kike CEO. Failure of a company.

>>63883122
>Stoeger is the Nick Fuentes of /k/
>>63887412
>He’s actually relevant so he can’t be that gay Mexican.
Lil benny is a has-been which makes him just as relevant

>>63887575
"Holster-safe" would be a huge step up at this point.

What a piece of shit fucking gun

you’re all poor and I hate you
also buying any gun made past 2019 is lmfao. QC and workmanship died during the coof

>>63888613
>also buying any gun made past 2019 is lmfao. QC and workmanship died during the coof
It's true. Even no bullshit "literally a military-grade assault weapon" guns like the Steyr AUG have been suffering since the end of the world as we knew it.

>>63870732
>he hasn't really competed because he was banned from USPSA
Lore?

>>63887412
Do military guys actually respect and take seriously civilian shooters like Ben Stoeger? Like granted he's a better pistol shooter than they are but do they look down on him for being a civilian despite that?

>>63889224
IIRC he publicly called the board out for Jewish faggotry.

>>63883122
>Stoeger is the Nick Fuentes of /k/

>>63889241
Yes, it was not a one time thing, whenever Ben is uploading a video from a strange location, like Iraq, it’s because he’s training somebody important who flew him out there.

He’s not a tactical instructor. He’s only about the pure skill of shooting, if you separate them and train shooting only, the tactical side is much easier since the shooting side will be muscle memory.

>>63889224
The Ben lore is he publicly called out the board for stupid decisions, like holding the national tournament in a state that bans high capacity magazines, with zero legal guidance to the competitors if they could bring in their magazines or not. Published internal emails showing they had no idea what they were doing. I believe embezzlement of USPSA money was also happening, he also publicly called out cheaters like Tony Cowden who were editing the scores of their matches and their friends matches to inflate their rating.

>>63891993
>The Ben lore is
Okay Ben sounds based. Surprised people ITT hate him.

>>63891993
>>63892016
Sig literally told him to quit being a drama queen and basically to not come back until he grew up.

>>63891993
>Ben "lore"

AH HAH HAH HAH HAH

>>63856191 (OP)
>paying out the ass for a modern, tacticool 1911
>trying to modernize a 100+ year old pistol in the first place
>treating 1911s as anything other than a fun range toy
>buying anything SIG has touched

>>63856191 (OP)
The only reason people are literally shitting and pissing themselves over 2011s is because all of the new shooters during the pandemic had never shot anything but the shitty Glock 19 they bought and going from that to a metal framed handgun with a hammer trigger feels like hopping in a Porsche 911 after driving a Ford Ranger your entire life.
Also companies for some reason stopped making metal handguns after Glock managed to connive their way into making everyone think tire-factory made polymer shitheaps that save in the 100s of grams worth of weight is worth sacrificing a good trigger, sights, slide release, mag release, safety, and ergonomics.

>>63892882
Sounds like SIG didn't like being called out

Ben Stoeger is a clown who says the Springfield Prodigy is the worst gun ever just because he got two bad samples.

>>63893080
His friend Andrey got a bad one and so did several other people he knows

>>63893123
There is nothing wrong with the Prodigy and he compares it to Bersa shit. He just hates American companies.

>>63893201
>There is nothing wrong with the Prodigy

>>63893218
>ignores the argument
>appeals to authority
>posts off topic
Pottery.

>>63893218
>File name
kek

>>63892939
Unfathomably based, the only polyslop gun that has even remotely decent ergos is the m&p, everything else feels like absolute fucking dogshit imo

>>63892882
>Sig literally told him to quit being a drama queen and basically to not come back until he grew up.
>>63893068
>Sounds like SIG didn't like being called out
Sig told him that BEFORE he went off the deep end and took his childish rant to youtube.
Get your facts straight.

>>63893356
Both Prodigies he received were incapable of getting through that drill without a malfunction. The first one would have had one or two light strikes, the second one would have had its sights fall off and then have light strikes

I was watching this Ben Stoeger fellow who seems popular on /k/ and he laughed gleefully at stories of Sigs ADing and said Sig's spokesman looks like he has cancer. He seems like a cruel and chaotic man.

>>63894777
>invites Lucas Botkin onto his channel
>immediately asks for 51% ownership of his new company