What's everyone planning to do when the SHORT Act passes deregulating SBR, SBS, and AOOWWIES?
For me, I'm going to own an Oi! brez

>in b4 some no gunz yuro retard seethe for 150 posts

I expect a lot of people to put double pistolgrips on those 14.5" barreled shottyguns if that passes.

>>63856365
double pistolgrips? wat?

>>63856345 (OP)
>passes

should we tell him?

>>63856367
Kinda like Duke Nukem. Pic related but with a three round tube and matching length barrel. Also either a Mossberg or Remington instead of a Winchester, because we live in a gay world where Winchester doesn't make the 1300 anymore and there's no 'Shockwave' version of it.

Also, everyone would obviously put proper stocks on all their AR-15 and AK pistols.

>>63856373
We can always hope.

>>63856373
going to laugh at you mentally when it passes

>>63856382
oh shit that's what you meant I was picturing two side by side pistol grips at the back of a shotgun to shoot two handed, yours is less retarded

>>63856373
Common flare/smoke launcher.
Nah.

>>63856345 (OP)
try to find a short barrel for my ARX

>>63856345 (OP)
I've always wanted a sawed off SxS, so I'll buy a cheap one and do that. Might buy another barrel for my Auto 5 and saw that for a whippet gun. Gonna put real stocks on my brace ARs. Once they make SAAs with a removable stock available, probably buy one.

>>63856367
you can't have a VFG on a "pistol"

probably put a real stock on my 11.5" and build a 14" 870 with a collapsing stock

PS90 with a 10 inch barrel

>>63856345 (OP)
Buying napa out on oil filters.

VZ 61 with the actual real folding stock
>>63856406
explain please

>>63856434
Well, that too, but I meant a shotgun with a pistolgrip and then a forward pistol grip.
I think one of the things we'd see is a revival of pistol stocks like these, both just simple ones which attach to suitable pistols could allow it, and then also further exploration of the holster stock concept.

Holster stocks were never gonna be this big universal thing everyone does, but it's that kind of thing which is gonna fit SOME people's use cases really well. Thinks someone who carries a 10mm Glock for bear defense, well, now he can have a holster for it which, if really needed, could be used as a stock as well.
Stocked pistols would be really good backpack guns and what not.

>>63856454
>Well, that too, but I meant a shotgun with a pistolgrip and then a forward pistol grip.
I know. I'm saying the reason you don't see the VFG on SBS is because of whatever legal bullshit makes them not an SBS

>>63856352
Why seethe
Our retard politicians look at your gun bans for advice so the less regulated you are, the better for us

>>63856448
Shitloads of them for that use. Vehicle mount, one round each then GTFO.

>>63856454
I'm pretty sure you can do this stuff you posted rn.

>>63856470
because yuros hate trump for some reason

>>63856476
If you pay a stamp, or you use one of the old pistols which are explicitly exempt (which isn't all of them, mostly just the C96 Mausers, Lugers are not exempt)

>>63856487
Okay but like, that's not a real thing, in reality. Like how many people got in trouble for that. Less than zero?

>>63856482
I think he's alright. Deporting illegals is based as fuck and we need to do this in Europe.

>>63856490
You're thinking of the VFG on pistols thing, the ATF hasn't managed to secure any convictions on that one, but they have for stocked pistols I'm pretty sure.

>>63856491
Argentina had it right with the one way over ocean flights.
Ever wonder how the africans over ran the european caveman?

>>63856482
I think his foreign policy is retarded but it's not like I hate guns

>>63856345 (OP)
youll never get your rights back sorry idiot iran needs regime change go to your nearest draft office now and save us the trouble

>>63856533
The demons raped your head silly, keep doing it freak.

>>63856533
shalom

>>63856345 (OP)
cloning this 100%, might even get the suit too

>>63856628
Based 733 enjoyer. My ideal retro carbine, add a teardrop forward assist and it's perfect.

>>63856345 (OP)
if it passes, goodbye pistol braces.

>>63856345 (OP)
Nothing, because there won't be anywhere left to go and shoot

>>63856533
you know what. fuck it. knocking over iran might be worth getting some rights back and it's a big enough event for both acts to fly under the radar.

>>63856496
>ATF hasn't managed to secure any convictions on that one
Bros, I don't know how we all manage this shit.

While I'm thrilled they haven't convicted anybody for the crime of improving their support hand capability, this sentence right here triggers within me a seethe that hasn't abated since I was 13 and my dad had to explain why, no, I wouldn't be able to just "buy" an MP9 with suppressor when I grew up.

>>63856638
Fuck does this shit include selling off all blm and etc public land?
I am going to be fucking furious if these fucking assholes make getting sbrs and suppressors contingent on losing all federal public land.

>>63856533
>KIKES, utterly unprompted
Seriously you JOOS fuckers gotta learn your obsessive inability to not invoke HEBREWS poisons the well against your shit, regardless of whatever shady fuckery kikes get up to.
>>63856635
You say this, only for us to find that somehow braces undergo some weird hipster revival and they'll be seen as some kind of "better, more tactically operational for the purpose of sheepdogging while greyman" gimmick in 5 years.

>>63856654
Exactly that and more. The SBR/hearing protection shit is diversionary, and will be the first thing offered up in negotiation to get the rest passed. Enjoy shooting your gay little 11.5" at the local indoor range, you fucking dumbasses

>>63856654
I can't tell if you're being of jokings (I am unironically a sperg), but I think anon was joking that if they pass this shit, you'll head down to your outdoor range to find every single fucking lane practically leased out to fuckers, there'll be so many new shooters in the game, and I think he's right. Can you imagine how many videogame kids could've been brought into the fold, only to get turned off when they realize they can't buy that "M4" they always wanted unless they get the goofy 16in barrel (I can't be the only one that thought 16 inch AR barrels with the 203 on rifles meant to be as close to "M4" spec looked silly).
733-style ARs with anything longer than 14.5 is sacrilege ugly and fucking insulting.

>>63856669
Yeah I don't buy this.

>>63856660
Pistol braces will remain superior to stocks for awhile for the simple fact that a huge number of states have banned SBRS even "Free" states have bans on sbrs "unless registered with the feds" so if this law goes through you will be fucked. Its gonna be a shitshow to get them all fixed.

I can still travel with my AR pistol in states that have banned sbrs, but I cant take a newly legal sbr.

So pistol braces will still have uses, especially in places like cali and maryland.

>>63856648
Understand completely. One day, we will have all of this beat for good.

>>63856679
I don't know if that would make them superior, but it would be a remaining use case.
What states do or don't require anything beyond the NFA for SBRs?

>>63856660
>KIKES, utterly unprompted
He didn't mention them in his post. How ironic.

>>63856660
YOU USED AN ILLEGAL WORD ON /K/ NOW THE SAME PEOPLE YOU JUST MENTIONED WILL BAN YOU BECAUSE I LET THEM KNOW ABOUT YOUR RACIST WORDS I USED YOUR OWN /K/ - IKE BUREACRACY AGAINST YOU DUMBASS LOL HAHAHAHA

>>63856434
Shockwaves and such aren't "pistols", they're just "firearms". You can already put vfgs on them.
>>63856382
>there's no 'Shockwave' version of it
No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

>>63856654
>>63856669
shalom

>>63856674
holy shit you are autistic
>>63856997
I was telling him what the other guy was referring to

>>63856660
https://x.com/KerryBurgess/status/1935086474799595986

>>63856628
>might even get the suit too
Do it! Add some style and grace to your life. Every man should own 1 tux, ...in addition to a Blues Brithers suit..

>>63856434
You can if it's >26" overall. At that point it's too long to legally count as an AOW and just becomes a generic "firearm" in the eyes of Federal law.

>>63856674
You're retarded. For 1, yes you can just buy an essentially exact copy of an M4 sans auto seat. Pin and welding a muzzle device legally adds to the barrel length
For 2. Barrel length laws are FUCKING RETARDED and you are a retard if you've been following them. You can literally just put a stock on. Nobody will know or care

>>63856345 (OP)
I'm going to stop pretending I pinned and welded my 14.5

I think something like this would be fun.

putting a folding stock and a suppressor on one of these for shooting pests near my house

Because my state is gay and being literally everything but AOWs I'll probably put a grip on my MP5K

>>63856345 (OP)
I will get a sawn off double barrel and open carry it.

>>63856454
>holster stocked suppressed 22
The ultimate poaching gun if you are in a setting were carrying a rifle would raise suspicion.

>>63856345 (OP)
Brace manufacturers will shut down

I just really want a MP5 in RAL8000 with the aimpoint shades please I really just want that and a MP7 please oh pleas.

I don't give a shit about the short act, what I do care about is HR38 which is the national conceal carry reciprocity. I travel a lot especially into strict control states and don't want to risk getting anally raped for carrying a pistol. Unfortunately it's dead in the water because Zion don and the legislature is too busy giving tax cuts to billionaires and shoveling money to israel

FAQ VIDEO RELEASED
https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1935402251201253671

>>63860194
shills absolutely raped
>>63859972
I mean, it's moving forward so you're kinda out of touch? Not sure why you posted this.

>>63856602
>>63856654
>>63856677
The Forest service is set to sell about a percent of public land across over 10 western states. Please bro, just one more desert Blackrock-owned suburb will fix the economy. Just trust me bro.

>>63860325
HR38? It's been dead in the water, it passed the house of reps and is currently dead in the Senate

>>63860330
Some shill said it was "unused" land which accounted for like half a percent of blm land. It sounded like bullshit, so I asked for the text. Never posted it, just some bs map from a congressman.

If it is limited to that extent, surely it would say in the text how it is, otherwise its absolutely going to rape the west.

>>63860395
Oh and sbr and supress a r50, hands fucking down btw

>>63860330
InRangeTV fan eh? If you gonna say some shit at least propose what we can do then.

>>63856417
I want a sawed off SxS that selects one or both barrels. I know, I know, I want one though.

>>63856345 (OP)
>SBR
A ZPAP M85 with a folding stock
>SBS
If anything, I'd want a double-barrel coachgun of some sort like Doomguy
>AOW
Maybe an AP5 with a foregrip for an MP5k clone
>Silencer
Don't care, still not interested in them

And then if things get really optimistic:
>Destructive Device
Rebuild a deactivated RPG-2 or RPG-7, or a homemade Armsel Striker
>Machine Gun
Convert my WASR-10 to select fire and build a garage Sten

All I would do is throw my spare 11.5 upper on a spare PSA lower I have. Maybe I'll buy an AP5SD and put put a stock on it

>>63856654
>>63860330
>>63860395
>>63860452
The BLM land selloff thing is a 'Senate Energy & Natural Resources' bill that I'm not sure is directly related to the BBBA. There's Forestry cuts but I couldn't find anything about BLM land sale in it. There's nothing in it about SHORT either.

>>63859972
shalom democrat shill
>>63860330
suburbs are based.

>>63860452
>InRangeTV fan eh?
it still fucking cracks me up I went to an applesneed, and one of the guys said he got a WWSD plastic lower and I said
>shame you have to give money to karl the cum drinking commie cuck
or something to that effect, and fucking everyone agreed with me despite the fact we were all strangers

>>63861009
>suburbs are based
Hard disagree. Ugly is just scratching the surface. Enjoy being within driving distance of Jamal and co.

>>63856345 (OP)
The barrels on these are just an inch longer than the original Stakeouts. I might buy one and put a pistol grip on it if they're compatible with the old aftermarket stocks.
>Inland 37's can't slamfire
Don't care. This isn't gun you want to slamfire anyway.

Well if this was 15 years ago everyone and their mother would be duct taping sawed off shotguns to their quad rail ar15s for masterkey larping, that's for sure

>>63861176
now that's not the flavor of the week now it's "if you don't strap a lazer to ur rifle ur gonna die in shtf!!"

>>63861176
I absolutely would if they weren't so expensive. I would imagine some company would jump at manufacturing them if law changed.

>>63860473
Just get one with dual triggers. Personally, I want to make mine look like this. I just love how that stock looks, practicality be damned.

>>63856345 (OP)
>H3VR
Nice. I fucking love this game. Maybe a little too much. I literally have over a thousand mods for it.
I like Anton too but he's such a mixed bag, and I mean that as respectfully as possible. I wish he wasn't so stubborn about the whole hot dogs thing. Just at least give me some VAGUELY humanoid shaped NPCs to shoot with ACTUAL A.I. please. I don't care if they look like Madness Combat just ANYTHING, please.
All I want a shooter with this level of gun interaction but, you know, as an ACTUAL GAME like Half-Life:Alyx or something.

>>63856345 (OP)
Probably build a 20" AR.
Then possibly build a suppressor, if legal.

>>63860771
>some sort like Doomguy
Are there any good range vids of somebody sprinting around and hitting targets and slapping reloads like doom2?

>>63856654
is this bad though? i'd be astronomically pissed if they just sell it to some company or some shit but if they just allow the public to buy it then we might get cheap farming/hunting land

>>63861775
You are going to be pissed

>>63861789
when are we gonna fucking seize land from silicon valley already and sell it off to farmers?
why cant we all just do what he would've done?

https://www.gunowners.org/na061725/

>>63856345 (OP)
I want a attachable stock like pic related for a my 44 super blackhawk for starters

>>63856382
>Winchester doesn't make the 1300 anymore and there's no 'Shockwave' version of it.
Saw and file down an SXP stock, sand/heat gun the handle into an ergonomic shape, there ya go! (I am doing this rn, yes oal is still over 26/18 barrel)

>>63856439
Poors can also do one of the $500 R50 Defenders on GB

>>63861774
Has to be circle strafing kek

>>63856345 (OP)
First I'm going to rebuild my Tula Krink, and M92 on recreator recievers since they werent available when I built those 2and the Nodak spud recievers arent quite right. Finally throw a stock on my AMD-65 and AK105 (ish) builds.

>>63856482
>retard tier foreign policy mixed with poor performance with deporting illegals
But at least he’s best friends with Israel, amirite “fellow conservative”?

>>63858934
That's my plan but with a B-TM folder. Probably have to P&W though as AFAIK this will at minimum pass right before hunting season and I want some time to zero and test before that unless I want to buy a charger as a test gun (fuck me I guess).

I'm going to be more comfortable taking some of my rifles to public ranges.

>>63856365
Those are already an AOW so you can already do that. A VFG on a pistol makes it an AOW, but a short shotgun can’t be a double AOW.

>>63856382
>talks about the Serbu super shorty without posting a picture of it

>>63856345 (OP)
303 Brit in a barrel this short would have similar energy to a .357 magnum, but the bullet may not be stabilized. Like it’s funny, but an objectively bad gun and you may as well use an intermediate caliber because you’ll get about the same muzzle energy and the bullet should be stable.

>>63856345 (OP)
I'm going to snag up one of the hundreds of Police Surplus SBRs on gunbroker.

>>63856454
I could see folding/collapsing stock pistols being a thing. The wooden holster/stocks were clunky and take a while to attach. The B&T USW would have been a lot bigger if it could have been easily sold on the US civilian market.
>>63856493
I’d buy one. Basically a modern C96

>>63861152
I don’t get it. Except for concealability this is worse than a normal stock in every way

>>63861057
suburbs are based and minorities don't live in the suburbs, they live in urban areas with you

>>63862717
post guns, shill. you want a gun ban

>>63863084
Looks cool and that's all that matters.

>>63861003
Unfortunately short and hpa are riders on the same blm bill.

>>63861775
>but if they just allow the public to buy it then we might get cheap farming/hunting land
lol
lmao
lmfao

>>63862997
Shockwave style shotguns depend on their birds head grips to bring them up to their 26" overall length. If you want to put a regular pistolgrip on one, you need an extension on the muzzle, or something else to keep the overall length 26" or more.
If the law changes, then lengths and stuff stops mattering and your shotgun can be whatever length and with whatever grips or stocks, but that's not the case yet.

>>63863006
Because I wasn't talking about the Super Shorty at all, that's a different shotgun entirely. I mean Shockwave and similar shotguns, just slapping a pair of these or similar on those.
Now, some people would then use those kinds of shotguns to build stuff like the Serbu too, but that's a more involved process than just swapping some grips.

>>63856345 (OP)
Holy shit I just realized something, that is if this passes. Finally, vz58s will have their factory 15.4" barrel length and you won't have to choose between buying a new 16" barrel, P&W-ing it to hit 16", or spending $200 on the DUMBEST SBR tax stamp you could ever think of (to save 0.6")

>>63864089
That's gonna go for a lot of this stuff. For instance, some people built their PPS-43 parts kits as rifles with a little extensions on the muzzlebrake or just longer barrels, so they could have the stock, but now they could fix them to proper length.
Add to this being able to put real stocks on all the AR15 pistols and AK pistols, and also proper grips and stocks on MP5 pistols. It would solve many of these problems.

It would also allow for a much better .410 Bore revolver. Skip the whole .45 Colt pretense, and make it with a proper .410 Bore chamber, and a smooth .410 caliber bore like God intended, one which can have chokes. You'll see a good improvement in velocities and shot patterns.
Would this 'fix' the .410 revolvers and make guns like the Judge 'viable'? Eh, I don't know, still wouldn't be my choice for defense, but it would make them objectively better.

>>63864113
no more ugly ass full length suomis with butchered muzzle brakes

>>63864140
Next step would be to be able restore them to open-bolt automatics, like Aimo Lahti intended.

>>63864165
most people probably still have the original bolts lying around and getting a new receiver is as easy as buying a steel tube off some chinese site and welding it to the rest

>>63856345 (OP)
If it passes, do you think holster stocks would make a comeback?

>>63861009
>suburbs are based
yes and wilds are based-er

>>63865602
might get a repro for my luger for the lulz.

>>63856382
bruh, if you're going to do all of that to that gun, just by a Serbu Super Shorty at that point

>>63856345 (OP)
New lower with a huge gamer magwell for my existing SBR, maybe pick up a cheap SBS for home defense, buy a Draco and MP5 "pistol" to unregulatedly put a stock on

>>63856365
>all the "Gubmint can't infringe on deez nuts" types putting a VFG on their Glock now that it's legal
>meanwhile people who actually don't give a fuck about the ATF have had full-auto Glocks for years with no consequences

>>63856345 (OP)
>All these years all he's ever done is pumping out more meme guns instead of actual real life weapons
Fuck this faggot dev

>>63858934
B-TM stock plus 4" barrel plus suppressor

>>63856345 (OP)
I'd like to get a detachable shoulder stock for the Deagle similar to pic related.

>>63866070
The technology exists.

>>63856482
>for some reason
Maybe don't threaten war with Denmark and say no one would honor NATO article 5 when you are the only country to ever trigger it and everyone answered.
t. aussie noticer

>>63866163
1. everyone answering an Article 5 callout for the big dick OG nigga that subsidizes everyone else in NATO being able to have their "military" training with broomsticks and single-digit operable tanks/aircraft/navy for the sake of their nationalized healthcare (that doesn't work) is not comparable to, say, Luxembourg needing help with something
2. There's a difference between "not ruling out" war with Denmark (Trump's actual position, probably) and actually threatening war against them (over territory that the USA has more actual investment in, not that fucking Denmark could realistically do anything about it anyway, lol—you're a "country" that asexuals joke about conquering because their global population is greater than yours, enjoy your garlic bread, losers)
>t. aussie noticer
3. you lost a war against ostriches and are occupied by China, sort yourselves out first, mates

Which companies will actually start selling SBR versions of their guns (that don't currently), and which will basically ignore the change in legality, leaving it to their customers to reconfigure their guns? For example, will FN start selling a short (correct length) PS90? Or perhaps sell the shorter barrels separately? Or just carry on as if nothing happened?

Make your predictions.

>>63866239
Anybody that already has SBR SKUs will probably start selling them to anyone who can legally buy them. Companies like FN that have NFA compliance SKUs like the PS90 will probably be sluggish to make a SBR version.
My hot take is that Mauser will bring back the Broomhandle w/ stock, but not in a timely manner—their brand identity is all they really have going for them, but they also have nothing compelling them to tool up to meet the interests of the US commercial market

>>63863306
>only response is 'no u'
lmao this non reader retard

>>63863547
shalom
>>63866311
>>63865619
you cucks don't live in the wild, you live in cuck cities with strict gun laws. suburbs are based

>>63866163
>>63866208
the US shouldn't be solely responsible for the defense of all of the third world continent of yurop.

>>63867130
>>63867129
Fuck off, sperg

>>63867163
eat shit no gunz

A 13in Ruger Mini-14 (cloning the AC556) would be pretty cool. I'm not sure that anyone actually makes these parts (barrel, front sight part, etc.), so it's probably impossible to do atm. Maybe Ruger will start making them again if this actually passes.

>>63865699
What the fuck is your obsession with the Super Shorty that makes you being unable to fucking read, yet continue replying to my post?

>>63865775
You realize that you are in fact completely interchangeable with those people given that you are also only blowing hot air, like a boisterous and annoying faggot?

>>63866259
>My hot take is that Mauser will bring back the Broomhandle w/ stock
That would be difficult to make a viable product, the C96 is an expensive gun to make, and they would be competing with their old production already circulating the world market.

At the very best, they could tool up to make some replacement parts for the old guns, but that's still not likely to be a financially viable venture, and knowing how they tried to start making and selling new Luger pistols back in the 1970s, only to have that completely fall on its face, I would say they are particularly wary about such projects, and particularly unlikely to try them again.

>>63866239
that would be cool

>>63866239
>Or perhaps sell the shorter barrels separately?
Does FN not sell the shorter P90 barrel as an unregulated gun part? I figured the only barrier was fear of getting caught with an untaxed SBR.

>>63867394
Have you seen how much Mauser-brand Mausers cost these days? Granted, Red 9 repros and $$$$$ hunting rifles have different target markets, but they clearly have a different idea of "viable" than most companies.

>>63867287
Samson makes reproductions of most of the AC556 furniture under license from Ruger, so it'd be very easy for Ruger to start banging out 13" Mini 14s so equipped.

>>63866311
>>63865619
>>63863547
you cucks dont live in rural areas, you cucks live in Yuropean cities

>>63861775
if you have any experience with the United States Government you would know that whatever the worst possible outcome is, that's the one they will do.
>>63863306
Confirmed for never having been in an American suburb.

>>63867780
I've lived in suburbs my entire life you no gunz yuro faggot. suburbs are based and cities are ass.

>>63867795
It's telling when suburb fags can only compare to cities

>>63867802
you dont live in a rural area. you live in some communist Yuropean city, homo

>>63865982
The B-TM standard stock has about 9 1/8" past the front of the receiver. 8 1/4" without the barrel band nub. And that's not counting the barrel length inside the receiver. You'd need to buy the bull barrel model and/or cut the forend down pretty far for that, anon.

>>63856345 (OP)
I was going to get an mpa 30t mac10 clone, put a light, a compensator, a holo sight, and a carry handle for the complete cyberpunk aesthetic and open carry it. Now I can open carry with a stock that matches it.

Once these bills pass, I hope automatics get put up for review. The ruling on them was based on common use, and they had been heavily regulated since the early 1900s which made them less common since it was 4k in old money(rounded up in today's dosh for inflation), and before they weren't regulated at all. Hopefully the same logic will be applied in the short act and suppressor fight, in the sense that firearms or parts are regulated which is seen as infringement.

Today is the last day to make calls to your senators since the "Byrd Bath" starts this weekend.

Senate Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Senate Finance Committee: 202-224-4515

"Hi [Senator], I’m a voter in your state, and I’m calling to urge you to defend the removal of the NFA tax in the budget bill when speaking with the Parliamentarian. The courts and Congress have made it clear—the NFA is a tax, and it should be repealed like one."

>>63868017
1. Yes, obviously you'd be getting the bull barrel version for a tucked suppressor application
2. If you're open to chopping the forend to make room for a suppressor, https://libertycans.net/product/idf-10-22-integrally-suppressed-barrel/ the stud for the folding stock is right in front of the receiver, so it should be g2g

>>63868113
>tfw Kentuckian and stuck with the most dogshit useless faggot representatives in the country

Are suppressors still planned to be removed from the NFA? I have a 22lr pistol that's absolutely shit at cycling but I think a suppressor could save it, but it's not worth paying a tax for.

>>63870440
Currently suppressors, SBRs, SBSes, and AOWs—call your Senator >>63868113

>>63867493
>Does FN not sell the shorter P90 barrel as an unregulated gun part?
They don't, unfortunately. CMMG makes the P90 barrel that everyone uses for for PS90 SBR conversions. It works fine, but it's not hammer forged or chrome lined anymore (real FN barrels are both).
There's also some problems with CMMG outsourcing production of P90 muzzle devices (which actually hold the barrel into the gun on the P90), which has made mounting some suppressors tricky. If FN would just sell these parts, making a proper-sized P90 would be a much smoother, simpler process.
>>63867694
>Samson makes reproductions of most of the AC556 furniture under license from Ruger, so it'd be very easy for Ruger to start banging out 13" Mini 14s so equipped.
You're right, I see they even make the little gas block front sight thing. That's really cool. Really hoping Ruger isn't Fuddy about this. I don't know why I want an AC556, but suddenly I do.

>>63870516
>Really hoping Ruger isn't Fuddy about this.
Bill Ruger was their fudd heart, which is why Ruger used to refuse to sell anything but 5rd mags for Mini-14s to civilians, and shit like that. Thankfully, he died over 20 years ago, and they quickly got to work on selling magazines of all capacities to everyone.

Not that he didn't have some good ideas too, and some business sense (he's behind a lot of their old successes), but goddamn, he was the king of fudds.

>>63863306
Anon the whole point of suburbs is to be be within commuting distance of urban areas.

>>63870516
>Really hoping Ruger isn't Fuddy about this.
They're licensed with Ruger to be considered "official" Ruger products. Ruger even uses their stocks and products in 10/22 models 31184 and 31185 under the "tactical" line. Probably the mini as well.

>>63868113
Already called both my senators offices. Got an email back from the junior senator who became a cosponsor of both SHORT and HPA. No word from the senior senator, probably too busy raping little boys or something.

>>63870862
yeah, while not having to live in the shithole city

Gonna see if these YouTube honeypots go the fuck away

>>63867493
>>63870516
Will CMMG sell you the short P90 replacement barrel directly, or do you need it send to a FFL? I could never figure that out on their website.

>>63871934
I know. By "Really hoping Ruger isn't Fuddy about this", I meant I hope they actually start making 13" barrels.
>>63874684
It's just a barrel, they sell them directly. Other stores carry them as well.

I just want a Mare's Leg, but they're already around as pistols, so maybe I'll fuck around and make a 9mm AR pistol.

>caring about the big tranny bill instead of HR38

>>63875932
(HR38 is nationwide CCW reciprocity)
Nice, but only affects me if I travel to some lefty shithole and trust local LE to obey federal law—which, you may've noticed, they often prefer not to.

>>63875868
Any gun that you want that's "already around as a pistol" would be around as a rifle or readily convertible into one with no additional paperwork. SHORT is a game-changer for the PCC market. Your Mare's leg now has a stock. Your MP5SD is now a zero-stamp gun. The law is the only reason 16" pistol-caliber rifles exist—even 500 S&W Magnum probably starts running into diminishing returns well before that.

It'll be an 11" 8.6 and an accompanying suppressor for the woods. As well as a gas axe ans one of those portable tank packs for oxy-acetylene. Sick of logging companies gating off what should be public land, and they're only going to go and get more of it now

>>63856533
God fucking dammit anon

replace my brace with a stock
nothing stopping anyone from owning a sbr the last 12 years, you just had to use a "not a stock"

it wont pass but if it does you'll see pcc's get popular again. only a few retards will pickup a few 10" uppers but when they shoot it at the gun range they'll probably not use it as much as they think. hell im sure ranges will probably enforce some rules on them. I can only imagine showing up and 15 other guys blasting sbr ar's with some retarded muzzle brake would be down right obnoxious

>>63876615
PCCs stopped being popular?

>>63876615
>it wont pass
It's attached to border wall funding, tripling the ICE budget, no tax on tips/overtime, and a bunch of other stuff that any Republican who wants to get reelected needs to vote for.
>I can only imagine showing up and 15 other guys blasting sbr ar's with some retarded muzzle brake would be down right obnoxious
Why would anyone do this when suppressors transfer on a 4473?

>>63876703
There's a fair bunch of real conservatives (not these neocon zog shills) that are against this bill because it's full of pork and because it would add to the deficit significantly

>>63876753
It raises the debt ceiling by a shitload, but that's not the same as adding to the deficit, and even if it contained $5T of spending (it doesn't—it contains more mandatory spending cuts than any bill in US history) going into debt to finish the wall and deport 60 million illegals would pay for itself by the time Vance was running for President.
Look, the bill has some debatable stuff in it, but that's just how sausage is made, and the alternative is doing it piecemeal and needing 60 votes in the Senate (i.e., begging Schumer for enthusiastic consent to implement the agenda we all voted for—not gonna happen) instead of 50 like the Big Beautiful Bill needs.

>>63856628
>>63856634
based kino enjoyers

>>63861775
come on dude what do you think they're gonna do? Even if they decided to sell it for affordable amounts, they'd just as soon give it away, for free, to blackrock who could afford paying the actual price a billion times over.

>>63864089
>>63864113
Another thing this makes me think of is 14.5" ARs, proper M4 clones will finally be easy to get and I really wonder if it'll become the new standard for civilian carbines since there'll be no real reason to run 16" anymore.

>>63856487
military Lugers are exempt ,commercial models arent .
>>63865623
you can already do that

>>63878182
Ive got multiple other lugers with different stock repros. my favorite is this one that functions as a holster stock

>>63878189
reply by the atf clarifying
>This is in reference to your email (below) in which you inquire about the legality of affixing an original or reproduction shoulder stock to a Luger P08 semiautomatic pistol. Your email was forwarded to the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) for reply.

A rifle having a barrel of less than 16 inches in length is a firearm as that term is defined in Title 26, United States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 53, § 5845(a)(3),
However, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) has previously determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics, the following when possessed with an attachable shoulder stock, are primarily collector’s items and are not likely to be used as weapons, and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the NFA:

Luger,P08 semiautomatic pistol accompanied by original German mfd. detachable wooden holster/shoulder stocks, all semiautomatic German mfd. variations produced prior to 1940, any caliber.

Further, ATF has determined that such firearms are curios or relics as defined in Title 26, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 178, § 178.11 and, therefore, would still be subject to the Gun Control Act of 1968.

ATF has previously determined that Luger model p08/ LP08 pistols with reproduction stocks, which duplicate or closely approximate the originals, have also been removed from the provisions of the NFA. Copies of the Mauser pistol using frames of recent manufacture, with shoulder stocks, are still subject to the NFA.

If an individual possesses a pistol and shoulder stock combination that has not been removed from the provisions of the NFA, the combination would constitute a firearm subject to the provisions of the NFA. The fact that the stock was not attached to the pistol would have no bearing on this classification

Byrd decisions are supposed to happen today

>>63876817
60 million illegals? Are you unironically retarded? If there were 60 million illegals then every 6th person you saw in your day to day life would be an illegal. Average MIGAvoter lel

>>63856400
NTA, but I'd love for you to be laughing at me went it passes. I want to be wrong, I really do.
I'm not.

>>63878252
>>63878189
>>63878182
Oh shit, really? So as long as it's some soldier's combat trophy or a surplus piece, a Luger is allowed to have a stock (original/repro) with no paperwork, just like a Mauser? Did not know that.
Wait, does this pertain strictly to German issued P08s, or does it apply to any and all military issued Luger pistols? If the former, would it apply only to German ones, or would it still apply to pistols in other countries which adopted the same P08 pattern, like the Finnish did?

>>63876817
There's definitely many, but I doubt it's as many as 60 million illegal aliens in the US. More likely, it's less than half that. Which is already WAY too many anyway.

>>63879407
I have my reservations towards the BBB as a whole. The part where there's to be no commercial regulations of AI industry for 10 years for instance, I think that's probably a bad idea.

Aside from general societal reasons, I think there needs to be certain rules regarding commerce and intellectual property. This technology is changing a lot of things, some for the better, some for the worse, and I think that it's probably possible to try to control some of the damage, but without kneecapping technological progress.

>>63861775
It isn't going to be farming land because the reason public lands exist is because no one could or wanted to homestead it, as it's shit farmland.

>>63879922
>More likely
NTA but 60mil is likely pretty accurate, especially when media, that's known to have downplayed the issue for decades, has been using the 10mil number for about 20 years at this point. Most are in major cities like LA which is 50% beaner at this point, probably higher when you see what the government considers white sometimes. There's also a ton of illegals spread all throughout the country to the point they crop up in small rural Midwest towns. It's gonna be more than 60mil illegals if you count their anchor babies as illegal like they should be. Imagine how much cheaper and more available housing and land would be if they were all to be deported. Imagine how much less traffic there would be on the roads.

>>63863306
pfffttt

>>63880215
>probably higher when you see what the government considers white sometimes
I don't give much of a fuck about the naturalized (multigenerational) citizens that aren't committing crime. It's the illegals and criminals, and then subsequent border security, which is important.

Byrd has been pushed to Monday.

>>63881017
thanks anon

>>63880735
For me it's really more about the job situation, the constant flow of fresh immigrants who don't really understand the value of a dollar and are willing to live in shit poverty in the US because it's still better than the place they came from are the reason all these corporations can get away with paying lower and lower wages and treating their employees like shit, plus it denies young people in immigrant-heavy areas the chance to have their own income and build a resume. That's not as much of an issue after a few generations because they're not willing to put up with those conditions anymore and so it doesn't affect white collar or skilled trades the way it does entry-level and "unskilled" stuff. There's also the drain on education, healthcare, welfare, etc. too.

>>63881147
Those things are implicit to the whole immigration subject, I feel.

Plan to buy some and go to my favorite shooting spot, only to find out it’s been bought by corps because national land has been sold and now I have to pay hourly to shoot indoors shoulder to shoulder with others. What’s the point of an unregistered suppressed SBR if I have to withstand muzzle blasts from the kid next to me, shooting 5.56 out of a 10” AR with a brake on it

>>63856654
>>63860330
Got to build more housing for the infinity jeets coming here
>>63861009
No

>>63879906
As long as its a miltary issued luger with the stock lug you good

>>63874252
yeah but the people in the shithole city are still within a short driving distance of you.

>>63879922
>The part where there's to be no commercial regulations of AI industry for 10 years for instance, I think that's probably a bad idea.
Federally preempting whatever braindead "AI Safety" regulations California tries to inflict on us is good, actually. We don't need those retards kneecapping us in the AI arms race with China, which you KNOW doesn't have any concerns about "ethical" or "human-aligned" AI

>>63877742
P&W is definitely going extinct for most of us, but removing SBRs, etc. from the NFA doesn't do anything to prevent California, Illinois, et al. from restricting/banning them at the state level, so it and 16" cope guns are gonna stick around for a while yet.

>>63880305
>>63881723
enjoy living in the pod
>>63882556
there were farms the town over from my home town. city cucks weren't driving out there

>>63856345 (OP)
I plan to put a forward grip on my MPA 30T.

>>63856345 (OP)
Making a silencer for my bolt action 308. That's all. That's all I want.

>>63856654
It increases the land ELIGIBLE for sale from 120 million to 250 million acres, but only mandates selling 2 million acres. That's 2 million too many but it's not the end of public land some are making it out to be.

>>63856679
That's why the BBB wording is "shall be treated as registered" or something to that effect.

>>63856654
better buy that land then bro

>>63882972
oh god you just made me realize that without the NFA as a benchmark they might go further and make the minimum 20" or something

>>63883744
They could, but most likely they'll just keep their current rules about it.

>>63883744
1. ban all firearms with a barrel less than 36"
2. flatten the balls of all gun owners in your state until the Supreme Court tells you to stop
3. ban all firearms with a barrel less than 35.9"
4. etc.

>>63863758
I don’t have the Shockwave but I do have the Persuader.
When I got it, it was a “JIC” that had the traditional pistol grip so it could fit in the tube. I replaced it with the bird’s head and found that it was really an improvement.

>>63874723
Oh, I doubt that unless we get SHORT. ShopRuger doesn't even sell mini barrels. And no mini pistols. I don't see a reason why they wouldn't if we get SHORT though. Ditto 10/22 SBRs.

>>63883744
there's another thing: if this survives the Byrd Bath, there is *nothing* stopping a future Dem trifecta from using Reconciliation to put all semi-autos on the NFA and then raising the tax to 10 morbillion dollars

>>63886419
That might be blocked by supreme court rulings, even CA and WA haven't managed to block semis entirely, but unfucking it could take 5+ years too.

>>63886465
it won't, as the NFA is a tax. The power of Congress to levy taxes is neigh absolute, and trumps the second amendment, so sayeth the Supreme Court, multiple times.

>>63886419
I'm tired of all this "think of the precedent this'll set" pearl-clutching that pretends that behavior like sneaking this or that totally unrelated law that'd never pass on its own into a budget-related bill hasn't been business as usual for longer than some posters have been alive.

>>63856417
>I've always wanted a sawed off SxS, so I'll buy a cheap one and do that.
Hell yeah. There are so many guns that the NFA, even in its basically nominal current state, makes completely impractical by legal encumberment.

NEW THREAD

>>63888578
>>63888578
>>63888578
getting comfy boys

>>63888597
bump limit on /k/ is 310 wtf are you doing

>>63888610
fucking up apparently

>>63888597
kill yourself faggot, don't make generals they're gay

>>63888060
>"I'm tired of thinking about consequences, I just want dessert and no veggies"
ftfy

>>63867493
The P90 barrel wasn't designed to be easily removable and it requires a little bit more work to replace than the typical AR barrel.

>>63856654
its not all public land contrary to what opponents will spew. But any amount is fundamentally criminal and frankly id rather keep the NFA as it is rather than have private land sold off
>>63861003
also it definitely is tacked onto the BBB

>>63889961
>anti-gun legislation being repealed is a bad thing, actually
thank you for your insight, anon.

>>63866239
I dont think a lot will immediately start shortening the barrels. but considering that a lot are sold as pistols, it would be more likely that they start selling them with proper stocks instead of going through he hassle of extending barrel lengths

also a lot of manufactures have simply decided to not sell in the US due to SBR regs, so no doubt some of these will enter the market

>>63889987
again, you're really going to enjoy the precedent set once the Dems retake everything in '28 and add all semi-autos to the NFA with a $10k tax tied to inflation

>>63889997
PS90s will cease to look stupid overnight.

I wish the import bans for "non-sporting" rifles was overturned instead. SBRs no longer being on the NFA is cool but it was already easy to get around.

>>63886419
>there is *nothing* stopping
Wrong.

>>63879137
>>63876817
Why not 100 million. You should just say that casually next time lol.

>>63860330
that part isn't reconciliation and will not pass filibuster

>>63859972
HR38 has a major issue, it only protects one handgun and one mag. anything else can get your ass thrown in jail. Hope you never lost a .22lr in the car

>>63867394
I think the widespread adoption of CNC machining will cut that cost down a bit. If they manage to get it below 3k thats half a grand under what most are going for now

>>63891898
That doesn't sound ideal, but I think that a random stray round of different ammo would be difficult to get a jury to convict you over.
Only one mag really isn't great, but it gives more reason to invest in a full-sized pistol with an extended magazine (be that a full +30rds stick, or just a slight stendo at 20-25rds).

>>63891646
Indeed, why not 100 million? Plenty of foreigners here legally that we'd be better off without.

>>63891911
Yeah, a C96 repro doesn't need to be competitive with Glocks, it just needs to be competitive with buying a used one in good condition.

>>63883744
there are too many rifles with barrels of 16 inches in private hands to do that
>>63886419
Kagan, Sotaymor both said in official rulings that ARs are in common use and a NJ judge when confronted with an AWB case said the pro gun side proved ARs are in common use but they didn't do the analysis for any other gun so he ruled that only ARs were exempt from the AWB (but not the features test)
so I don't think dems can really go after semi autos if 2 of the dem scotus judges straight up admit ARs are in common use

>>63886487
nope, you gay retard. Miller said they could levy taxes on short barreled shotguns because in a very narrow ruling of the 2nd amendment short barreled shotguns specifically weren't being used for militia purposes

>>63879137
are you a gay retard? deporting illegals is based

>its gonna be easier to get a sbr now then it is for me to get a 28-36 inch smooth bore .22 barrel
what

>>63896043
>a 28-36 inch smooth bore .22 barrel
For what fucking purpose?

>>63896048
apparently with .22 cb or whatever the really short, weak ones are theoretically all the powder has completely burnt and by just simply having a long enough barrel, itll be silenced and have no flash. smooth bore for the inevitable squibs, and i wanted to use it as a...test platform, more then a real gun. testing making different types of bullets, out of different materials, and then firing it effectively completely "silent" in my backyard.
there were some actual .22 rifles with barrels that long, but its pretty much all "i heard this person said that person knew a guy who did this and overheard". so its probably all totally horse shit and a 36 inch .22 barrel isnt that quite at all. dunno.

>>63896090
Can't you just use an appropriately-sized steel pipe from Home Depot or your local metal supplier?

>>63856635
There are still disabled people tho- they'll still exist

Also braces are GREAT for driveby's

>>63886419
Nothing stopped them before except votes.
They've tried at least 2 times in modern history to jack up the NFA taxes.

This passes and suppressors, AOW, SBR and SBS ending up back on the NFA in 5 years then it whatever law does it will get slapped down immediately by the judicial via common use

>>63896240
>This passes and suppressors, AOW, SBR and SBS ending up back on the NFA in 5 years then it whatever law does it will get slapped down immediately by the judicial via common use
Watch, some bumfuck Obama/Biden appointee district court judge will issue a temporary injunction against the Supreme Court like "ackshually SBRs aren't in common use despite 11.5" ARs being the best-selling rifles in America for the past 5 years straight" somehow

>>63896048
Probably 22LR shotshells. Or 22CBs at retarded quiet volume. Look up "garden gun".

>>63896559
A Rough Rider or Wrangler with a smooth bore and some shot cartridges would be a good and inexpensive garden pest gun.

>>63890004
They’re not that smart they’ll just keep trying and failing with the same shit they always have

>>63889961
>the “you’re a heckin’ immature little child” script again
Mike really isn’t getting his money’s worth from you guys

>>63896090
Anon, I have an old gill gun w/ locking bolt with a ~26" barrel and I run CCI 1k or 710 subsonics and it's quiet, like hearing safe-ish (no ringing) but not super quiet. An extra 10" might get you signifigant volume reduction but silent? Eh, I don't know, not to mention you'd be limited to something like CCI 710s to help with volune reduction meaning pulling bullets and loading at similar bullet weight. Also MDT did a 40-some inch barrel with a known ammo and it shot about 1k with an audible shot (not sure what SK runs normally; you can see the box on the table). Their full barrel was not near quiet but 710s might've done different. This is the one time 710s or especially Colibris might squib lol. Also, impacts are STUPID loud on many materials.
youtube.com/watch?v=xB6izQ8bkq8

>>63896572
Smoothbore pistols are AOWs anon. It's retarded but it's an AOW. $5 to transfer but full $200 to "make" (do NFA paperwork to "convert" it).

probably getting a stock endcap for my P365 flux because the brace endcap is horribly uncomfortable.

>>63896707
I fucking know, you faggot, this entire thread is about an act which would deregulate things like that. Pay attention for once in your life.

>>63856635
I haven't found a stock that matches the color of the furniture on my AK

>>63856345 (OP)
utini

>>63896883
your gas tube is about to fall off

>>63875868
I have a mare's leg pistol in .44 you won't hit shit but it's fun

>>63896115
probably, but having an actual gun barrel would be nice.

>>63896702
silent as far as a gun goes, and yeah i know the impact will end up being louder if all goes well. and yeah, im expecting to have to visually inspect the barrel between every single shot, so the action almost virtually doesnt matter. whatevers the easiest action.

its just for fun, anyways. would be funny to put a fake suppressor shroud over the TOP of the super long barrel, so it "looks" like its a 6 inch barrel, but its a 36 inch barrel instead?