Thread 63857732

People are claiming Shahed-181 or RA-01 or hell B2

>>63857732 (OP)
>stealth plane
>fly it in daylight
>at low altitude
>don't even bother to paint the bottom in camo

:/

>>63857740
Hey no ones claiming responsibility I'm just the messenger

>>63857732 (OP)
>let's use the RQ-180 in the most retarded way possible
america 2025

>>63857769
I dont think its that

>>63857769
They don't call it a competence crisis for nothing. Tha said, as retarded as this is, the odds of anything happening to it are slim. The area around the Golan is almost entirely controlled by Israel and/or Druze militias and Al-Jalani absolutely has no desire to end up on America's shitlist. He got his go ahead to genocide any shiite's even tangentially linked to Iran so he's a happy camper.

>>63857740
>>63857769
It's currently almost 5 pm in Israel. Could be orbiting to wait for dark before heading east.

>>63857800
Thats assuming its friendly
There was a hit in Golan heights

>>63857818
There wasn’t a hit. There was a drone alert and it was downed over Syrian side of golan

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-shoots-down-drone-over-golan-heights/

>>63857863
Ah my b.
Still the engine sounds like a piston
I can't imagine a US drone over the Golan.
Probably an Israeli drone or Iranian

>>63857769
if you fly too high you leave contrails; so you have to fly mid altitude during daylight.

of course, night flight is how it needs to be.

>>63857885
Makes sense

There would have been info on a drone strike by now. It’s either Israeli or it was the Iranian drone that got shot down and Mossad is taking the wreckage

Here’s what the Israeli RA-01 probably looks like btw

>>63857913
Forgot pic

Spotted over Lebanon during the assassination campaign

>>63857732 (OP)
>stealth
>clearly visible

Why are you faggots conflating (stealth=invisibility)? This is why the Navy and Air Force has to be painfully autistic and call shit "low observability" because brainlets think stealth="turning on my invisibility cloak".

>>63857959
Because everytime there's a war low IQ thirdies flood in from /pol/. They really are just that stupid.

That said it should have been flown at night but, if it's Israeli, then I guess it's understandable as they have less margin for error.

>>63857917
Possibly?

>>63857917
Heres the iranian one

>>63857885
Thank God nothing interesting happens during the day so you can pick and choose the most convenient times for recon sorties

>>63857999
possibly what it looks like as nothing is known about it. Even its name RA-01 is just a US intelligence codename for it. Its existence was only known in the fall when a woke Iranian pentagon staffer leaked a bunch of intel documents to the public

>>63857917
i'm pretty sure this is what's been actually bombing iran for the most part. likely carries 1/2 jdams.

an unmanned f-117 in mission profile.

>>63858089
Wish we knew lol
Because I can't even compare it to a see what it really is

>>63858102
Neat

You tards realize that just because it's a flying wing or maybe even stealth design doesn't mean that every single mission profile will be cloak and dagger night time you don't see it bullshit right? Sometimes you might want it to be visible, sometimes it might be there to attract attention or support another operation. It's a UAV, not a billion dollar stealth bomber.

>>63858266
What's odd is the autists here can't firmly id it. Sometimes what you have on station is whats on station, i get it. But it would be neat to know what the hell it is.

>>63858323
Not weird at all, UAVs and stealth suffer from design convergence, and there are hundreds of types of UAVs deployed worldwide. Not every single one is going to be immediately 100% confirmed from low quality snapshits.

>>63857769
>So obsessed with America you make up dumb shit

>>63858266
>>63857959
Were are my Yehudi lights?
Where?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZB8obrb8Sg

>>63857740
based, also what they gonna do?

>>63858422
in the imagination of schizos where they belong

>>63858323
>What's odd is the autists here can't firmly id it
There's a limit to the powers of autism. The people who actually know what it is probably can't say, and those who don't have never even heard of the thing.

>>63857959
Constant flood of thirdie and opfor propaganda that twists what stealth is actually supposed to do so that they can pretend it doesn't work.

>>63857959
I think the poster above you was just taking the piss.

>>63857732 (OP)
RQ-170. Fuselage profile's wrong for a Shahed.

>>63858568
RQ-170 has thinner, longer wings.

>>63857796
>They don't call it a competence crisis for nothing
Actually they do.

>>63858568
Cant be
Got a video
The drone has a propeller

>>63859807
>Make stealth UAV
>Add reflective propeller to it
Fucking why?

>>63859818
They dont have the tech for jet engines IG

>>63859818
Higher uptime.
Propellers are highly efficient.

>>63857796
>competence crisis
Kek, you dont know what you are talking about do you? Piloting drones isn't a lost art, and was RECENTLY used extensively in the war on terror. Shaqtwan can pilot a uav just as well as Johnny USA, the competence crisis is about complex systems such as power plants and development of new technologies (not using them, kek). A good example is newer vidya, they look like shit for what your PC would require to run it, and generally a game more than 10 years old looks essentially just as good, with better performance.

That is the competency crisis my brown /pol/ friend.

>>63859851
But then that begs the question of why this design, why not a more conventional design?

>t. Aerospace Undergrad

>>63859871
Cargo cult.

>>63859871
Well based on what I know Iran struggles with smaller jet designs. Its why they haven't implemented large scale jet Shahed production whereas Russia has for its Geran 2 model variation. Different industrial bases etc.
So for them, while it wouldn't help with stealth. It does help with what they already have.

>>63859871
Flying wings are generally viewed as being more aerodynamically efficient due to decreased drag. The fact that they are 'stealth' is of essentially no consideration. The thing is likely made of the same shit as the Shaheed, perhaps some sort of carbon fibre body, or just something plastic. One must also remember that in the third world (especially dictatorships), it needs to look cool, not just work. This list shows multiple models which could be the drone, and I have no doubts they probably have a few newer designs.

But you study aeronautics, you should know this.

>vidrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV30irsal-w

>>63859906
Yeah its the biggest pain in the ass when dealing with and attempting to figure out which drone is which.
For example heres a Shahed 171
Looks almost identical to the shahed 181, 191, etc

>>63859906
Etc

>>63859892
I see, so it is more of a solution that exists because they it is what they have to work with rather than what would be optimal.
>>63859906
I was familiar with the efficiency, but flying wings are also a bit picky when it comes to CoG positioning and controlability. This is what sank the XB-35 and YB-49 projects. I know tech has come a long way since then, but Iran is not exactly on the cutting edge of tech.

At least from >>63859927 it seems that these UAVs use simpler principles for flight control, maintaining stability from what is known as reflex (that means the elevators are deflected up in level flight), which could also have an effect on on radar visibility too.

>>63859927
Considering what Iran has been running their mouth about recently (new weapons and capabilities, hurka durka), it could very likely be an unseen design. The propeller is very strange, and definitely points to it being a newer, perhaps longer ranged design. Iran still uses hobbyist tier jets in alot of their more 'advanced' drone models, but these are probably shit for anything other than short range strikes.

Could be a new observation drone?
>>63859932
Definitely looks to be of a similar design, if not a new development of the family.

Definitely not out of the question for it to be something Israeli either, though Iranian would make more sense.

>>63859979
I cant imagine Israel using a propeller design for this type of drone.
I know Hermes drones use propellers but this style of drone 100% screams Iranian design solely on that fact
Israel would use jets for something like this

>>63859976
Yeah essentially Iran can produce these long range drones using only Propeller designs.
If you research into their one way drones for Yemen (which have a range of 2000km) they can reach Israel from there. So while its less effective it's sorta more practical. If you lose a jet powered drone its a far bigger setback than a simple propeller engine one

>>63857732 (OP)
By the sound of it
https://x.com/i/status/1935313141547565281

Does it sound to you like a jet engine or a propeller engine?
If it’s a jet engine, isn’t it the first Israeli drone with a jet engine?

>>63859995
I suppose you are right, especially considering the altitude it (appeared) to be at, but still something Israeli cant be ruled out yet, especially considering it appears to be something as of yet unseen.

I agree tho, it is more than likely Iranian.

>>63860005
Meant for
>>63859991

>>63860005
Maybe it would explain why it wasn't shot down
Or Israel didn't see it as a threat?

>>63860011
Lmao fuck

>>63859995
Makes sense. I am wondering if this uses the MD550 engine like the Shahed 136 and the noise signature of such an engine. Though, of course, stealth is not the main point, there are ways to make a propeller quiet as seen in the QT-2 and YO-3 programs.
>>63860011
>File name
Kek.

>>63860025
Radar coverage is never absolute, and considering the appearance of the drone, unless Israel has some sort of audio detection system like Ukraine, all the sudden these cheap propeller drones become non-trivial to detect, and suddenly may have the ability to reach (close to) Israeli airspace.

The shape of the drone also could hint at stealth at least being a consideration, so flying low, slow, and with a fairly insignificant RCS could allow it to surveil Israeli sites.

>>63858023
You mean the American one they stole and repainted?

>>63860033
>>63860053
>>63860065
I found it! The exact model! A shahed 171

>>63860088
Dubs confirm. Here is another pic.

>>63860088
Looks bretty close, but It does seem to be a little different? However, it could be the low quality of the video. The biggest thing I can see is that it lacks the little 'bulge' at the propeller.

>>63860102
Hell yeah
So I wonder what now

>>63860112
The question is if the craft is a loitering munition, UCAV or an unarmed recon UAV.

>>63860135
Let me see if google has anything

>>63860135
Google says multirole
Can carry guided missiles

>>63860138
Yeah, but Google believes the type is a jet too, so, I would not be 100% trusting of its results.
>>63860140
Interesting if true, which it probably is.

>>63860147
Yeah I'm trying to draw rn so I can't research much

>>63857796
>competence crisis
You have zero clue what competency crisis actually refers to.
Ironic.

>>63860147
Seems true

>>63860155
uhhh it means brown people

>>63860520
Exactly

>>63860053
damn those women are hot

>>63860838
Well they are french

>>63860053
what the hell is that image

>>63859866
And then in reality the USAF kept losing them in Yemen. The competency crisis is a thing, once you start paying attention to it you can’t un-see it.

>>63861213
French pilots

>>63861238
>>63861213
>>63861128
>nose roundel
Lads, they may be cunts but I don't think they're french. Or women.

>>63860053
>>63861250
https://www.airforce.gov.au/about-us/history/our-journey/first-flight-mirage
And a link for you lot. A3-83 is the rear plane in the photo on the article.

>>63861236
what difference would an expert mq-9 pilot make compared to an vs incompetent one when dodging an AA missile?

>>63860005
It's not Iranian.

>>63860065
>stole
are you for real? lmao

>>63861924
It's clearly Iranian

>>63857959
I bet you reply to people asking if an AR is a FAMAS as well

>>63858089
You mean hiring personnel with foreign interests into the defense department is a bad idea? You sound like a racist sir.

>>63860088
>Stealth airframe
>Giant propeller
They really are retarded, aren't they

>>63863404
So you're saying there's no point in trying to reduce the radar cross section of something if it's not a jet?

If you didn't eat breakfast this morning, how would you feel right now?

>>63863865
The largest radar returns on most conventional airframe propeller powered aircraft is the propeller, so improving the stealthyness of the airframe of a propeller powered drone is of insignificant value. Otoh, improving volume to drag efficiency is always worth it and is probably the reason for the bauplan if it’s not just cargocultism.

>>63863945
sexy lumps

>>63863404
Only a bit

>>63863975
Its also able to sneak close enough to israel

>>63860011
>filename
Kekd and chkd

>>63863975
>improving the stealthyness of the airframe of a propeller powered drone is of insignificant value
Ok mr defense industry radar cross section engineer.

>>63864582
Don't bully him

>>63860011
fuck cyclists lmao