Thread 63860710

>>63860710 (OP)
what made some cultures put the engines in the wings and some in the fuselage?

>>63860721
Maintainence vs. streamlining. It's all about priorities. As jet engines got more reliable and longer-lived it became less important to be able to swap them fast like it was for a 262.

>>63860721
socioeconomic factors

>>63860748
Purely, of course

>>63860710 (OP)
You can hear it begging for death.

>>63860710 (OP)
>shoots
>engine dies

>>63860710 (OP)
Imagine having to train on that miserable bitch.

>>63860798
Decadent wectern pilot thinks of capitalist lies like "returning to base after sortie". Strong Soviet pilot thinks only of defend homeland against oppressors.

Hey, it could be worse

>>63860710 (OP)
Yak-15 is my preferred absolutely horrible first generation soviet jet fighter solely because of it's chad spark inducing solid steel tailwheel and how it worked in tandem with it's engines to violently assert dominance on crappy soviet runways

>>63860733
Me 262 was originally a proof of concept for the last word in aircraft design, and will remain the template for modern aircraft basically forever.

It what you end up with given Earth's gravity, atmosphere, metals, fuels, etc.

That why all airliners have that same layout and ratios, and do 500mph at 30,000ft burning kerosene in axle flow turbos with swept wings, etc.

>>63860888
>axle flow turbos
Most airliners use turbofans, not turbojets
>swept wings
The sweep on the Me262 was not aerodynamically meaningful, it was a CG compromise

>>63860933
>Most airliners use turbofans, not turbojets
The turbofans used on airliners are axial flow turbine engines.

>>63860887
so fvking zased I love useless deathtrap early jet age shitboxes
B-36 counts for this too btw

>>63860887
>solid steel tailwheel
For what purpose? Saving on rubber?

>>63861660
Comrade listen
When you go home after glorious battle or just patrolling the big blue skies of Motherland
And you land your plane in third-grade airport which is also land of Komsomolets
You plow the land of the Komsomolets
While landing
And you stop plane in house of Kulak
Imagine

>>63861660
Said runway destroying exhaust was also melting tail wheels. And the duralumin structure of the tail itself, necessitating a good amount of brute force engineering to make the retarded layout work at all

>>63860710 (OP)
I feel it would have been a 'fine' albeit lackluster design with the guns in the wing roots, the 37 could've been replaced with twin HMG's or another 23mm. It would have been better than the Me-262 IMO. Something similar to a MiG-9M.

>>63860710 (OP)
>200 cannon rounds
nah

>>63862055
>>63862059
If one removed the third gun and positioned the other two 23mm guns in the wing roots, it would likely be able to carry a much more comfortable ammunition load.

As the MiG-9 currently stands, it was a simple propaganda weapon that would likely be slaughtered in a cold war gone hot (even by high performance pistons, the thing made the Tunnan look like a babe (no shade on the Tunnan tho... love that fat bitch).

In fact, most of the early Soviet fighters were pretty bad, so bad most could be considered the result of "look comrades, we have jet fighter too", and subsequently could not be expected to perform well in actual combat, hence the speedy retirement of nearly all early Soviet jets.

Considering the thickness of the protective layer on the B-29's fuel tank, what would have happened if the Jet MiG series had only 23mm armament?

>>63862395
what does War Thunder say?

>>63862069
The Yak-15 served until the 60's the Yak-17 as a trainer because it wasn't poweraids to fly like the mig-9 and the tricycle landing gear along with other refinements created a usable if extremely underwhelming aircraft

>>63864504
Both served as trainers due to their inability (or unadvisability) to use as normal fighters. It was better to pump out MiG-15's than to settle for these extremely mediocre transitional designs.

Not saying they couldn't fly ok, but they were underpowered and outgunned.

>>63864592
Oh yeah no bones about it.
Just pointing out that the less ambitious, almost to the point of laziness Yak jet family survived longer than the mig-9, which never got a trainer variant beyond a proposal run of two planes because it was a sexy disaster to fly, also expensive.
The Yak even eventually got a nene put in it like the mig-15 for whatever reason as the Yak-23 and was kept around until the MIG-15 well and truly proved how much of a massive leap it was.

>>63864626
>Yak-23 and was kept around until the MIG-15 well and truly proved how much of a massive leap it was.
The Yak-23 was a good plane to arm Easter block thralls with. Good enough to provide 'reasonable' air defense, but also outclassed by soviet designs.

Tubby looking early jets are so based.

>>63864700
Tubby you say...

>>63864731
Yes, tubby

luv me sum tubbers

Frog monstrosities

>>63865078
What the fuck was wrong with frogs and their airplane designs? Why they were doing... such things?

>>63860710 (OP)
looks cool at least

>>63864869
two tubbers better than one

TOOOOOOB

>>63864700
Tubby you say

Hey patrick do you know whats funnier than toob?

BALL

>tooob to meet yaa
>also, they took this from us

>>63865078
You ain't fooling me, this is a screenshot from Flash Gordon

>>63860888
who let the wehraboo out of war thunder general?

>>63860887
>>63862016
Why didn't they just use a plane with a tricycle landing gear?

>>63864843
anyone got the webm of the vampire tearing up the runway with its exhaust?

>>63860721
For a brief period early jets made by the USSR were cheaper than many armored vehicles and the engines formed the core of many early cruise missiles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klimov_VK-1

>>63865102
Ring knows no borders

>>63860887
>solid steel tailwheel. Because sparkles.
I can see the appeal.

>>63862016
>duralumin
My grandad worked at a factory producing some duralumin goods. All of our knives at home became duralumin very quickly. Each knife, handle and blade, was one piece of the meal. I'm not sure if they were good or not for actually cutting things since I was young and had a terrible relationship with food, but I remember several instances of grandad making a point of it about how tough the knives were. I'm not sure if it was a good thing for the knives?

>>63866329
Duralumin is a high strength aluminum alloy good for making aircraft but not terribly well known for knife blades.
It'd probably be alright for tableware if that's what you're talking about.
It was a pretty big material gimmick in the early-mid 20th century and widely misattributed

>>63865407
because it's literally just a Yak 3 with a jet engine slung under the nose

>>63860710 (OP)
>The Parade Fighter
I wonder if it was at least fun to fly

>>63864626
>>63864592
>>63864504
Didn't the Chinese endup using MiG-13s in Korea at first ? With the expected results

>>63865102
French designers aren't held back by conventions or common sense.

>>63860798
In fairness to the Soviets, gun gas ingestion doesn't seem to have been something that early jet designers considered - similar problems did happen on early Western jet fighters but modifications were usually made in the next production batches. The Soviets preferred to simply rapidly phase out the MiG-9 instead (presumably from lack of funds and/or communist inertia).

>>63862055
This was the solution that eventually happened with the MiG-19 and to a lesser extent on prototype MiG-21 concepts.

>>63862059
>>63862069
200 cannon rounds isn't even all that bad for fighter aircraft. The P-51 is sitting at something like 250-270 rounds of .50 cal ammunition in WWII - yes, it has over 1600 rounds total, but that's being split between 4 guns so there's not a huge trigger time difference. The Soviets definitely were willing to live with much lower ammunition loads in general though.

>>63860888
>will remain the template for modern aircraft basically forever.
>I will just completely ignore the Gloucester Meteor, the fact it flew before the 262, had more kills than the 262, and was exported to 16 countries (unlike the 262), and remained in active service until the 1980s (unlike the 262)

hell yeah

>>63866476
The USSR tried to pressure China into using their mig-9s in Korea, something they firmly and politely declined.
The Yak-23 saw use at some point by the north koreans themselves, though I'm not sure to what extent or result

The PLAAF presents: a mig 19 in a Halloween costume

>>63864700
Suspiciously jet shaped spiteful or suspiciously spiteful shaped jet?
You decide

>>63861402
>western useless early jet age deathtrap
>pushing bleeding edge technology beyond the point of reason

>soviet useless early jet age deathtrap
Just trying to get the damn thing to work before stalin electrocutes my fucking balls

I'll just park this here.

>>63872199
I honestly like it more than the Mig-19

>>63865795
This looks like a GI Joe toy

>>63860887
>>63862016
You have to respect Early Cold War Soviet "Do it or/and die." mentality. I like how crude the early jets look. Compared to something polished and elegant like the P-80.