Thread 63867200

are these SPICE bombs?

They are certainly spicy bombs.

>>63867200 (OP)
Way too slow to be a bomb, most likely a drone or maybe a cruise missile.

>>63867207
the way it swings around left/right gives the impression of a heavy bomb with tiny wings guiding it

>>63867200 (OP)
Looks more like a Maverick or somesuch

>>63867200 (OP)
>>63867234
what air defense doing

>>63867252
doing fine i think

>>63867200 (OP)
dunno man, you should probably ask them how they taste.

>>63867303
maybe the iranians know

>>63867200 (OP)
>>63867234
>>63867258
*chuckles inwardly as i ratiocinate the fact that these launchers were, in fact, decoys*

israel is getting cooked in this war

>>63867321
>Still using rare Ice Breaker and Delilah PGMs
>No air superiority
>Begging for US help
They really are.

>>63867321
>>63867365
If it remains an air war Irsael + US shits on Iran, if it turns into a ground invasion of Iran it's a worse Afghanistan.

>>63867252
accidentally shooting down their own AA missiles

>>63867379
it just self destructed when it lost lock it's how its supposed to work

>>63867383
That's how radar guided missiles work, these aren't radar guided.
I hate Israel but agreeing with retards hurts by soul.

>>63867365
>>Still using rare Ice Breaker and Delilah PGMs
>>No air superiority
why must you lie lol? glide bombs like JDAM and SPICE are getting used. shit like AD just gets targeted with the more expensive munition. i mean it's such a dogwalk that israeli drones are flying freely and iran only shotdown one of them

>>63867451
>Literally no evidence of breaching deep into Iranian airspace despite claiming air superiority days ago
>le dog walk that's why they're begging for foreign aide
Russians are less pathetic that you guys.

>>63867478
they had air superiority on day 1

>>63867508
Yea, that's why they're bombing radar stations and SAM sites with JDAMs and not extremely expensive and rare PGMs, that's also why they're cracking the sound barrier over Tehran to show off.
Oh wait.

>>63867451
thats all nice, but trump has already chickened out on the bunker busting. 2 more weeks is just his way of saying he wont do shit. i suspect putin ordered him to stand down. which means both the enriched uranium and the centrifuges inside the mountain will survive the israeli attacks for now.

>>63867514
Oh man, its that time of day again, isnt it

>>63867478
>>Literally no evidence of breaching deep into Iranian airspace despite claiming air superiority days ago
oh should we ignore the drones on their airspace? should we also ingore the footage of drones following sams around on highway and observing strikes?

>>63867478
I stand with Israel.

>>63867514
no thats not a reason to do those things, it just helps with the bombing of iran in general

>>63867514
>cracking the sound barrier over Tehran to show off
why should they waste fuel and frame integrity for some show? do you think they're retarded like iranians?

>>63867530
there's no need
they'd only go supersonic to dodge enemy AA. there is suggestion that this happened as many have dropped external tanks over iran

>>63867545
i am pretty sure they frequently drop them, not strictly because they are dodging SAMs. they've also dropped some over syria

>>63867451
>iran only shotdown one of them
Two now, your point still stands of course.

>>63867530
they are really trying hard to get the iranians to rebel. might be intended as a way of breaking the mullahs propaganda narrative of iran being strong and israel being weak. the average iranian watches state tv exclusively and believes the state propaganda. isreali planes going super sonic over teheran proves the state propaganda wrong.

>>63867557
has the other one been confirmed?

>>63867558
going supersonic uses a shitton of fuel. i think the bombs dropping all around tehran are already a good enough sign of the mullah's weakness.

>>63867200 (OP)
>kikes bombed a AN/MPQ-46 radar
The jewish crimes against US Cold War relics can not be allowed to continue. The Iranians must also be punished for putting antiques in harms way.

>>63867551
fuel economy over such ranges is hard. they probably drop them on the way back if they dont see they have enough fuel for safety margins
>>63867557
only one
kokhav drone loaded with michholit missiles , idf released a statement about it

>>63867570
>Still literally no pictures of Israeli aircraft deep into Iranian airspace
The Mullahs don't need propaganda to mock enemies like this lmao.

>>63867558
there's no need to do that they just bombed iranian government sites instead like the propaganda station and the political police hq

>>63867592
i don't think they're doing much mocking considering they're getting bombed to shit. they're more focused on getting israel to stop the attacks

>>63867592
pictures arent needed , jdams work just fine

according to iranian opposition this is tehran

>>63867562
>has the other one been confirmed?
The video of it clearly exists, we don't know if it was where and when is claimed though.
I don't see any particular reason to disbelieve it, it's a credible enough claim that someone tagged a MALE with a MANPAD or something.

>>63867558
>the average iranian watches state tv exclusively and believes the state propaganda
About that..

>>63867605
Strange how we aren't getting pics of IAF planes over Tehran or pics of JDAMs dropping onto Tehran buildings.

Literally Russian tier "just believe us bro!!!!!" Prove it faggot.

>>63867624
>Gets back online 10 minutes later
>Iranians use it as a very easy moral and propaganda victory
Israelis are really bad at this.

>>63867625
>pics of JDAMs dropping onto Tehran buildings
these>>63867451 are clearly GBU-32s but keep coping

>>63867629
>the moral and propaganda victory was real and my mind

>>63867625
There’s tons of videos of Iranian air defense and ballistic missiles launchers being hit, and they’ve confirmed the deaths of high ranking military officials and nuclear scientists.

>>63867641
>no trust me bro, the Iranian people will definitely rise up if we just bomb them some more.

>>63867625
they dont need to
jdam doesnt require pictures of the plane from the ground it uses a targeting pod on the plane you can see it in the pictures of the planes taking off

>>63867650
who said that?

>>63867653
>the best proof Israelis have is a plane taking off when they're still bombing Gaza
Definitely Russian stock.

>>63867591
>kokhav drone loaded with michholit missiles
That one is new to me.

The first I heard of was a Hermes near Isfahan (a fair way south of Tehran).
The second one I heard of (and saw video for) was a Heron near Khorramabad.
I don't really have any confirmation on either claim save that there is video and pictures going around, nothing I've seen geolocates them or makes them contemporary but the claims are pretty reasonable regardless.

>>63867661
IDF confirmed the Hermes

>>63867658
it a tehran-bound plane, look at the IDF telegram channel yourself

>>63867661
pic related is the kokhav they downed. it had pods with 8 mikholit rockets. this is the only IAF loss so far

>>63867670
>>63867661
here's another kokhav from today (you can tell by the interface of the camera) filming strikes on air defense sites in ahvaz (near iraq/kuwait)

>>63867655
i think thats what the isrealis are hoping for. i dont think it will happen. as long as the mullahs can send death squads to whoever rebels, the hierarchy inside iran will not change much.

>>63867599
>there's no need to do that they just bombed iranian government sites instead like the propaganda station and the political police hq
That's how we did it in Medici. Panau too.

>>63867683
iran had major ethnic separatist movements in it's remote regions before this. i think it's a reasonable assumption that these will grow greatly and keep iran far more busy then before.

as for tehran itself rising up thats unlikely unless khomeini and many more key figures are wiped

>>63867683
>as long as the mullahs can send death squads to whoever rebels
If the army, religious police and police in general are bombed enough, there won't be anyone to confront protestors.
They can probably still maintain death squads to go after leaders but those leaders won't be obvious or easy to find with failing infrastructure and internet/phone outages and increasingly unnecessary for protests to occur and which if not stopped, will eventually lead into occupations of government buildings and actual regime collapse as police stations are looted and prisons broken into and previous protestors released by force.

>>63867683
yeah the problem is there is currently no movment as far as i am aware. so there won't be anything amounting to organized resistance. regime change unlikely. maybe they can cause deep destabilization

>>63867712
why would there be
if you were an iranian anti government dude you'd wait and not risk it. irgc is losing badly it doesnt make sense to get killed over a premature uprising

>>63867712
Didn't the Prince make some announcement the other day? If word gets around he's interested in replacing Supreme Leader I could very easily see that spiraling out of control for the existing government, even if it's not true. All Israel, and if we show up, the US would need to do is announce to any rebels that we'll drop a JDAM on any attempt by the police to stop protesters, (and hope to god nobody fucks up and drops a bomb into a group of protesting/rebelling civilians by accident)

>>63867754
>(and hope to god nobody fucks up and drops a bomb into a group of protesting/rebelling civilians by accident)
But anon, how else would you make the rebels rebel? Just tell them it was Iran bombing them.

>muh decoys
>muh no jets over Tehran
>muh hitting apartment
I'm close to hitting hitting shitskin cope bingo.

>>63867781
Imagine- a fully Western Iran that joins NATO.
Monke would have a brain aneurysm from rage.
Well he'd be dead by then anyway, even in an absolute best case scenario it's gonna take like 50+ years for Iran to undo the cultural damage mudslimes have done and that's assuming once the Prince also dies ideally of old age (but potentially much sooner to fuckery) it doesn't just go tits up again.

>>63867806
iran wouldnt join nato its not even in the atlantic

>>63867793
>But anon, how else would you make the rebels rebel? Just tell them it was Iran bombing them.
From one of those Iranian F35s? Or anything else from the now non-operational Iranian airforce?
I think the rebels will know who's bombing them and in any case, it's not necessary.
Protestors during a military conflict will get shot by police without any intervention required, this is what happens when you're facing bad guys.
What you're describing is the false flag necessary when protestors are genuinely outside-agitated against a representative government that wouldn't shoot or bomb them to save itself.
That is not the case in Iran.

>>63867806
>once the Prince also dies
He's never going to be a prince, he's at best a democratically elected president but most likely not even that. He'll be allowed back as a citizen but not as a ruler.

>>63867837
A prince in exile is still a prince, it's just a title anon. It doesn't confer any magical powers or anything.
I suppose it could be considered a magical power to make thirdies respect you more because they assume you have power even if you don't though.

>>63867806
tbf the better time to do this would have been towards the fall of 2021. Iran was having a sizable protest movement of young people it was struggling to crack down on, but it's raped/killed all the people leading it back into submission. you can hop through VPN's and find that there's a decent amount of college-age kids there that have access to the wider internet and know what Iran was like in the 70's. was a pretty modern place, and a lot of those people in the immediate aftermath just kind of went quiet and figured that if they kept their heads down nothing would happen, because the shah was being kind of a fucking prick at the time anyways.

>>63867200 (OP)
Spice you say?

>>63867886
they even have what looks like cameras on the tip

no those that's a Delilah, it's a cruise missile that can loiter for about 22 minutes

>>63867518
Nope, the fix is in. In yesterday’s press briefing Levitt said that Iran already has everything it needs to get a bomb, it would just take them "two weeks" once the order is given. The "two weeks" is just Trump trying to buy time for something he’s being forced to do, and the messaging has been set to support it as if Trump is totally in charge and protecting America etc. the U.S. military no longer does war, but light bombing is still possible if the balance of the power structure wants to hit Iran, they’ll hit Iran and the President is just a ceremonial rubber stamp.

>>63867886
>>63867948
>>63868446
SPICE bombs used to have 12 control surfaces, fore, mid and aft fins.
That was probably the easiest way to distinguish them but now they come in a bunch of different form factors.

They should still say SPICE or Rafael on them somewhere though.

>>63868446
Your picrel is obviously not the same missile as >>63867948

>>63868508
i am reffering to the missile being reference in this thread. it's not SPICE is Delilah

>>63868567
>I am referring to the missile being referenced in this thread.
FTFY.

And how can you tell?
I hope your ID is more diligent than your spelling.

>>63868567
iranian air defense sites are being hit with spice 1000. everything else is being hit with JDAMs (from f15/16/35) or klitholit (from israeli drones, small 50kg missiles)

you can see the israeli planes taking off with SPICE 1000 or regular JDAMs loaded in all the videos they released in the past week.

>>63867200 (OP)

He who controls the spice controls the universe.

>>63868604
i can tell from the reticle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeeOMDV7ll0

>>63868672
idf doesnt use those, they were tested and certified but never bought for the squadrons. my understand is its very expensive while not doing anything you cant do with much cheaper weapons.

spice and jdam however are used in great numbers there are hundreds of pictures from syria of pieces from spice bombs

>>63867200 (OP)
Why have been all IAF videos of such shit quality? I can't tell what the fuck I am looking half of the time. Do they do it on purpose for OPSEC reasons or something?

>>63868716
>idf doesnt use those
false. they've been using them for yes. they make perferce sense for taking out AD. since they have a long range


>spice and jdam however are used in great numbers there are hundreds of pictures from syria of pieces from spice bombs
false. those are also Delilah.

look at this image. that's clearly a Delilah. you can see the intake

>>63868748
I've been thinking of this too. Their cams are almost russia tier, surely they've got the same shit as the US does? Fucking infuriating that their attack cams are always shit. Except for those Apache videos of them shooting Shadeds down, those are nice and crisp.

>>63868767
you're right in your pic, 2 non folding wings on the sides give it away but in >>63868629
its 2 spice 1000.

i guess they use both i just havent seen pictures with delilah.iirc in israel's previous attacks in against iraniani/syrian AD they used ballistic missiles and not spice/delilah

>>63868839
there are videos from a couple of years back out of syria. there's one where a Pantsir tries to shootdown an incoming missiles but fails. that missile was Delilah

>>63867200 (OP)
What is house Harkonen planning

>>63867823
Since when has that ever stopped Nato's aggressive expansion?

>>63869321
what

>>63867624
>Hit civilain targets
>Then cry when one of your hospitals that has a military installation right next to and underneath of it is slightly damaged

>>63869381
what?

>>63869381
>>has a military installation right next to and underneath
May we see it?
>slightly damaged
The whole surgical ward was demolished you deceitful rat.

>>63868748
>>63868776
It's either that they:
>Have fuck tons of cheap sensors that are good enough already in stock
>They want to save money, they are Israelis after all
>They degrade their own videos on purpose.
Pick your poison.
Personally I'd probably want to avoid putting expensive sensors on disposable munitions if your just using it to target paint something you already knew needed to die.

>>63867592
Gee, I wonder why no one's posting photos from inside Iran

>>63869522
>cut internet so /k/ doesn't get kino
Warcrime.
Kino wants to be free.

>>63869539
>born too late to explore the Earth
>born too early to explore space
>born just in time to watch war /k/ino
>there is only one /k/ino war, rest don't have Internet
I guess it could always get worse, but we are witnessing a terrible warcrime there. At least we get to see mass missile attacks on Tel Aviv with the interceptors shooting up, those videos used to be rare.

>>63867781
Openly saying this is utterly retarded and makes him look like even more of a western stooge than he already is. The smart thing for the opposition to do is to loudly proclaim that they are setting aside their differences with the government and will form a unified front, while secretly negotiating with the west, stockpiling weapons, quietly organizing for a revolt after the bombing stops, perhaps feeding targeting information on the whereabouts of VIPs and military activities.

>>63869628
>but we are witnessing a terrible warcrime there
Ukraine is gradually messing with internet during raids too but only during.
The evolved Gerans use local internet for various purposes so unfortunately, it has to go.

>>63869671
>loudly proclaim that they are setting aside their differences with the government and will form a unified front
No, you can't perform a popular uprising in secret, especially not without telecommunications.
It has to be done in public, it's the only way it works.
Without an ability to organise a wide-spread movement with local organising committees, the only way is a popular movement, which only works if everyone knows it's there to join.

>>63869671
>Openly saying this is utterly retarded
no, just show's confidence in the opposition and the regime's collapse and they could never win without that

>makes him look like even more of a western stooge
nothing he said was remotely related to anything western, the west isnt even involved in iran at the moment and even if the west starts actively helping the iranian opposition take the country you want to show everyone you were on it before the stepped in.

also the regime is weak and panicked, lost dozens of top commanders and dozens of regime police and propaganda buildings hit. telling them you're coming for them now is putting pressure on them and making them panick and spread their resources thin. this is also what trump is doing with his rhetoric and moves with the US armed forces. he hasnt actually done anything but the pressure he achieved is massive from just talk.

>>63868859

Last one just an'hero's on the pad?

>>63869688
there's not gonna be an uprising in tehran atleast not now. if anyone will rise up its gonna be the turks and kurds in the west/north and minorities in other remote parts not the core.

if they start protests/anything tomorrow they will be hit extra hard and their whole chance will be jeopardized it makes no sense. everyone's waiting for some kind of a decision from trump or khomeini , if trump cucks they might not want to risk an uprising.

>>63869688
>>63869704

During a war, the population rallies around the flag, and supporting a foreign force that is currently bombing you makes you look like a traitor, and everyone will hate you. During WW2, the CCP publicly proclaimed that they would join forces against the Japanese, but they let the Nationalists do most of the fighting, continued to build up their strength, and even sometimes attacked the nationalists, which helped them come out of the war in a winning position.

>>63868634
Unless they have an Artreides battle pug.

>>63869742
thats why you to proclamations like the iranian king did while waiting and seeing the regime take hits, not risking their people and waiting for the opportunity to strike.

the actual uprising will be sudden we cant predict what will spark it, might even fizzle out if the regime manages to show enough competence on maintaining order in the streets. one think that might spark it is elimination of khaminei. after he ordered bombing of hospitals and cluster bombs on civilians he is now a known war criminal and the army said taking him out is not off the table.

>>63869742
Why would the part of the population that hates living an a theocratic autocracy do anything but sit back and mumble how horrible it is that the secret police are getting bombed? Do you think that maybe, if given the chance, they'd be happy to take power and ally with the countries that are enemies with the government they hate?

>>63869742
Also the CCP, like all communists, are a bunch of perfidious cock suckers.

>>63868629
you normally wouldn't use 1,000 pounders against ad batteries. overkill.
you use 250 pound SDBs.

>pic
six F-16I multirole fighters from 107 Squadron "Knights of the Orange Tail" that participated in Operation Rising Lion. Note the BRU-61/A four-place smart pneumatic carriage systems loaded with 250-pound class GPS-aided GBU-39/B SDBs

>>63869794
>pic
IAF F-16I "823", assigned to 107 Squadron "Knights of the Orange Tail," returning from a sortie conducted as part of Operation Rising Lion. The multirole fighter appears to have employed seven of its eight Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs).

>>63869794
whatever they are using on them has cameras on the front and iirc neither SDB nor SPICE250 have cameras. while spice 1000 and delilah have cameras. this suggests that those are the munitions used for SEAD, atleast in the attacks they showed videos of.

they did use what appears like SDBs in the assassinations of all the iranian generals tho

>>63869381
anon. this isnt Gaza where israel bombing hospitals and schools is OK

>>63867321
>ratiocinate
Have you ever considered installing duolingo or at least checking your grammar before posting here? I know arabic grammar is quite different but you could at least try to keep your communication as neat as possible, for what is worth.

>>63869742
Not really, we have quite some examples as the glorious revolution and los conquistadores where locals decided to join the invading forces to get a better shot at life, unironically that's how Dar Al Islam grew so large, they took advantage of Rome and germanic kingdoms unstability making the locals hate their rulers so much becoming a dimmi was seen as a better fate.

>>63867248
Maverick has a different reticle and doesn't send a TV signal back, it's fire and forget.

>>63867221
Couldn't the camera be way zoomed in? It looks slow but that could be an optical illusion.

>>63869814
>this suggests that those are the munitions used for SEAD, atleast in the attacks they showed videos of.
we have other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBykw33_PQ

>>63867221
IDF said that attack was by jets. so no drone.
>בימים האחרונים, מטוסי קרב תקפו מערכות טילים ומכ"מים איראניים במחרב אצפהאן וטהרן, שיועדו לפגוע בכלי הטיס של צה"ל ולמנוע את תקיפותיהם.

>>63867221
IDF said that attack was by jets. so no drone.
>בימים האחרונים, מטוסי קרב תקפו מערכות טילים ומכ"מים איראניים
>במחרב אצפהאן וטהרן, שיועדו לפגוע בכלי הטיס של צה"ל ולמנוע את
>תקיפותיהם.

>>63867869
>the shah was being kind of a fucking prick at the time anyways
The Shah was a tyrant and there was a genuine popular revolution, but the Islamists were the best organized, so they took over and crushed all opposition. They actually killed thousands of Marxists who had also participated in the revolution, while others fled and joined Saddam's forces or went into exile in Europe and so on.

>have no wso
>get armed with a tv-controlled bomb
poor fucks

NOT GONNA AUTOSAGE THIS ONE THOUGH, HUH?
>>63861493

>>63869936
dont think its controlled by a tv it just shows you that you indeed hit the target
guidence is probably inertial

>>63869951
>First, there is pure CCD or IR for low lighting conditions image matching, when the guidance section uses algorithms to match the target image in its memory with the image provided by the seeker and align the center of the seeker's FOV with the desired image, a guidance method known as DSMAC.
>Second, if the CCD\IR seeker cannot acquire its target for any reason, such as visual obstructions, the bomb can automatically switch to GPS\INS guidance. This means that the bomb aspires to bring itself to the target's altitude at a known geographical location. The bomb receives data on its current location from GPS satellites, or from an inertial navigation system in the bomb itself, that has been fed, through the pylon datalink, with the dropping aircraft's coordinates a fraction of a second before the drop and can therefore calculate its coordinates from the dropping time and on.
>Third, there is a manual "man-in-the-loop" guidance option, in which the WSO looks at a backseat TV display to see the seeker's view, sent to them through an RF command guidance datalink, and uses the backseat stick to control the bomb to the target. With a skilled WSO that has a "sensitive hand", this guidance method is potentially the most accurate one employed today for air-dropped munitions and has no measurable miss distance. Its main drawback is that it allows for only one bomb to be guided at a time.

>>63867321
Hoirly reminder that Iran doesn't even have air superiority over their own capital

>>63869794
>>63869805
Why haven't these airbases been knocked out yet?

>>63869970
who says they haven't? when was the last time you saw the 107th?
hatzerim airbase is 6km away from that hospital that was recently hit.

>>63869970
because they cant knock them out. These iranian missles have 3/4 mile CEPs

>>63869989
The continued bombing of Iran indicates that they haven't had much luck knocking out any airbases.

>>63870039
?
IDF said Thursday's attacks used 60 fighters.
on the first day IDF used 200 fighters.

>>63869936
Even the Maverick was fire-and-forget

>>63869936
israeli f-16 are two-seaters. there's a wso.

>>63869970
idf needs them to lift off and strike why would they knock them out

>>63870103
their sortie rates have actually been pretty interesting to watch. I suspect they are running out of fixed targets. The distances involved limit loiter times so they have less time to look for anything popping up. Obviously a lot of iranian assets, human or otherwise, are going to ground. The Israelis have been claiming like x2 targets hit per the number of planes they are putting in the air pretty consistently. They need to generate targets for aircraft to make sorties profitable. I dont think falling rates indicate anything about their ability to fly, and more about their ability to find targets they can attack in a timely manner when the aircaft arnt spending much time in the area. Trying to hit targets deeper and deeper in Iran makes this even harder. The claims I have seen if that they are showing up on station and only loitering for minuets before needing to head back. This makes it very hard to hit road mobile systems that are only exposed for short periods even if you can see them.

Also, the initial surge is a tactic to overwhelm AD for SEAD and DEAD missions. You surge aircraft in to suppress defenses and support other attacks, creating localized air superiority. Once the stuff that is a threat to higher altitude aircraft, or those further away, are suppressed you would expect to see surge numbers falling off.

t.internet war expert.

>>63870401
What would be interesting is if this leads to increased drone use for calling targets, but they'd need somewhere to refuel near if not within iran.

how difficult would it be to deflect an AGM with a melee strike?

>>63870537
they got bombs in them

>>63870103
Lack of targets within their range.

>>63869989
so they knocked out bases, yet somehow no one picked it up on sat images

>b-but muh censorsihp

no retard. the chinese regular release sat images from all around the middle-east. the fact they haven't even release anything that shows an attempted attack show that they haven't been taken out.

also, you can't take out an airbase with the iran's ballistic missiles given their shit precision. not even russia could disable the ukie airbase with their cruise missiles and ballistic missile, yet some how iran' is expected to with the shit precision they have? we saw what happened the last time they fired ~180 ballistic missiles and had some 40 impacts in and around an airbase

>>63869738
i think they fired at least 2 misisles at the Pantsir from 2 different directions to increase the chance of a hit. so while it was preoccupied and failing to take down one the other impacted first

>>63869739
>if they start protests/anything tomorrow they will be hit extra hard and their whole chance will be jeopardized it makes no sense
Organic protests start small, just a few kids throwing stones at a police station because the police are away managing traffic around a bomb site.

>some local cop comes along and slaps the kids around
>waves an AK at them to get attention and make them back off
>some passing motorists shout some slogans at the cops to piss them off who sense they're losing control of the scene
>a warning shot is fired at the motorist
>it's misinterpreted and a kid tries to grab the gun
>someone gets shot.

>the next day a crowd gathers at the station to protest the killing
>someone throws a molotov...

>everyone's waiting for some kind of a decision
They're not, they don't have communications so rumours are flying and there's no way to verify anything.
They're waiting for pressure to build to some point. Pressure builds by
>people start disrespecting the regime in public
>ignoring hijab laws
>vandalising government propaganda/property
>hassling police who know they have no backup since the local garrison/station was bombed

If Israel really wanted to screw with Iran, they could hack/jam police comms. That would make anti-regime actions more successful and more threatening, necessitating a harsher response which begets more anti-regime actions.

>>63869742
>During a war, the population rallies around the flag
A large chunk of the population thinks the flag should look like picrel
They disagree a bit on whether there should be a lion with a sword on it, the monarchists love the idea but republicans think it's too associated with the monarchy despite being a pre-existing national symbol.

The reason Iran won't rally like you say is two fold:
Iran is not being invaded, just raided and the raids are aimed at the regime, not the populace. Therefore, Iran is not under existential threat, just the regime is.
Secondly, the regime is hated and people aren't going to want to help them survive in any way.

They're cheering at regime offices and army bases getting blown the fuck up. Maybe they're reluctant to do so in public because of reprisals but they're not going to go out and protest to save the ayatollah.

>>63869788
>Also the CCP, like all communists, are a bunch of perfidious cock suckers.
tbf: the Nationalists were too, they betrayed and ambushed the communists lots of times too.
It's more of a Chinese thing than a Communist/Nationalist thing.

>>63869951
>dont think its controlled by a tv it just shows you that you indeed hit the target
It can be, it's optional but has the highest accuracy.

>>63871547
>Iran is not being invaded, just raided and the raids are aimed at the regime, not the populace. Therefore, Iran is not under existential threat, just the regime is.
fake news.

those raids affect the population. according to iranian police 5 million out of tehran's 10 million people fled.

>>63871726
>according to iranian police 5 million out of tehran's 10 million people fled
If Iranian police said it then it must be true.
Sure, a bunch of Tehranians evacuated. Doesn't make them the subject of conquest though and when the bombs stop falling, they'll return to their homes. Which will most likely be intact.

Are we Vietnamese getting duped buying Russian trash AA system?

>>63871964
yes

>>63869989
Burden of proof lies with the brownest claim.

>>63871531
What really kicks things off is the police reacting to small crowds with repression but the crowd is in a fightier move than they expected so the police run away or get ordered to pull back. People feel their power more.

>>63871726
This is because Trump is a total fucking moron and Tweeted for them to like he was about to nuke Tehran.

>>63872017
>People feel their power more.
Inshallah.

It's a real question as to how the regime will try to keep order while under attack.
For now, bombings are confined to military facilities and if that stays true then keeping order won't be a problem but if police stations or government offices get hit much, that's going to change quickly and their response has a lot of potential to be inflammatory.

>>63871964
do you really need to ask that?

>>63871941
any early enthusiasm for pasdaran getting their shit kicked in went away after the u.s. president called for the evacuation of their capital and the israeli defense minister said their capital will burn.

>>63872052
there's no organized opposition.
some israeli government officials wanting to reinstate the hated shah because there's no one else tells you as much.

>>63867200 (OP)
Jews season their bombs?

>>63872071
>surely Persians will fall in love with their theocracy when outsiders threaten it
Keep looking for new gods to pray to, surely one will answer your prayers. Or even exist for that matter.

>>63872078
>some israeli government officials wanting to reinstate the hated shah
His son actually but he's going nowhere. As a prince anyway.

>there's no organized opposition
More than you'd like and a lot of disorganised opposition which will be what does for the regime if it does indeed fall.

>>63872085
>Keep looking for new gods to pray to, surely one will answer your prayers. Or even exist for that matter.
you have no idea who khamenei is. he's no religious figure.
"In 1989, Ayatollah Khomeini dismissed Ayatollah Montazeri as his political successor, giving the position to Khamenei instead. Because Khamenei was neither a marja' or ayatollah, the Assembly of Experts had to modify the constitution to award him the position of Iran's new Supreme Leader (a decision opposed by several grand ayatollahs).[51]"

>>63872145
>you have no idea who khamenei is. he's no religious figure.
You're a religious figure.
You're searching for some deus ex machina to pray to to save you but you just keep failing to find any.

What are you currently praying to to save you?
The resume of a ruler who's hiding in a bunker while he delegated all control to a general and ordered the IRGC to save him?

>>63867781
20 years in the can, not a peep

>>63867234
>heavy bomb with tiny wings guiding it
Even with such a low glide slope?

>>63867624
Not sure which male relative gave her permission to speak, but it looks like she didn't have permission.

>>63872322
>Even with such a low glide slope?
What glide ratios are typical for gravity bombs?

>>63871547
>They disagree a bit on whether there should be a lion with a sword on it
You mean pussy?

>>63872351
Mathmatically, dependant upon the speed of the luanch vehical.
>B17 drops gravity bomb with 200mph forwad speed, or less
>high drag bomb slows quickly
>put wings on it and release under Mach 1
>fuck if I know
There's the math.

>>63872373
So you're just questioning the glide ratio of that bomb with no knowledge of such things?
What a pointless, low-effort post.

>>63867530
you are a kike

>>63867321
>israel is getting cooked in this war

>>63867806
Did israel not totally think this through? How are they going to justify billions annually from the US now?

>>63868776
>Fucking infuriating that their attack cams are always shit. Except for those Apache videos of them shooting Shadeds down, those are nice and crisp.
Probably because the attack cam is video feed that has to be transmitted by the weapon itself over secure link, while the Apache gunner video is stored locally?

>>63867321
Holy fuck, that is some highly enriched, almost weapons grade cope.

>>63873841
>How are they going to justify billions annually from the US now?
Those billions are only a smallish portion of their defence budget.
If they're not under threat from any regional actors, they might not mind reducing that budget a little.
With Lebanon somewhat purged of Hezbollah, Gaza gutted, Syria quelled, pacified and struggling to rebuild and Iran demilitarised and/or neutral, what do they have left to worry about?
Egypt is out of the land grabbing game, Saudis too.

>>63873831
>>63874149
I believe you're failing to detect some deliberate irony in the post.
Though I suppose the poster could be sincerely retarded.

>>63874245
>what do they have left to worry about?
Israel has the GDP of Belgium. now compare the military of Belgium to Israel. notice a problem?

>>63874392
>Israel has the GDP of Belgium. now compare the military of Belgium to Israel. notice a problem?
Belgium is incredibly secure.
If Israel were a bit more secure, they would need less of a military.
Their military budget is about 5.2%GPD, around $25b. They only get about $2.5b from US under normal conditions, plus special gibs for special reasons which does happen every year or two.

If they have to shrink their defence budget by 10%, they probably can. Just not engaging in air campaigns against Iran will do that for them.

>>63874254
It's hard to tell with all the thirdies posting here post 10/7, and to think I thought the war tourists since the SMO were bad

>>63874428
Israel already has nukes. Israel has nothing to fear from an Iran with nukes. nuclear-weapon states don't wage war against each other since that results in MAD.

>>63874713
Sane nation-states also don't do their best to piss off the rest of the world while screaming about how they're going to bring Hellfire down on them, so why assume they're going to behave rationally with nukes?

>>63874720
Iranian leadership is literally hiding in bunkers now. They aren't suicidal.

>>63874254
We're infested with third worlders. I include Israeli shills in this because you can tell when someone's some barely illiterate ESL brown savage and when they are either some Indian sycophant or just an Israeli shill. I was about to call one out a second ago in another thread for being straight up histrionic emotionally hysterical (showing they're not normal, they have some vested interest in the situation) but I decided fuck it.

>>63874713
They have no strategic depth. This is a nothingburger if you're Russia afraid of a 1941 invasion because that is what a nuke is for. If you are a tiny spit of land that has one Chinese caliber nuke smoking maybe 1/5th or so of your entire land (or well inhabited land, negev ignored) then it's a bit of a bigger fear. That said, the mistake is people buying rhetoric of corrupt oligarchs. This is just a situation where it is a big danger for Israel, too bad so sad, it's not my problem. We can handle a nuclear Iran like we handle north korea or Pakistan (or Saaristan) or China having nukes. They're the ones who face more, so I favor Vance's view that we're being pressured into a war on Israel's behalf.

>>63874734
Turns out it's hard to trust someone who's spent the past decade doing their best to destabilize the entire region, who would have guessed? If they had behaved like the Norks and outside of a couple of incidents over the years, largely just made it clear they want to make money and be left the fuck alone to wallow in their poverty, maybe the Western world wouldn't be willing to deal with the fallout from seeing them ground into the dirt, but openly arming terrorists and targeting global trade is a pretty quick way to end up without people giving you the benefit of the doubt.

>>63874748
>They have no strategic depth.
did you even check a map. iran shares no border with israel. the countries inbetween are their strategic.
not that this is relevant when you have boomers. israel will always second-strike you.

>>63874817
My man do you even understand english? I'm not asking you as an ESL slur, I am sincerely asking if you understand english because you did not either read or understand my post.

>They have no strategic depth. This is a nothingburger if you're Russia afraid of a 1941 invasion because that is what a nuke is for.
I am stating Russia's fear of strategic depth is a nothingburger because their fears of a 1941 invasion are irrelevant today - in such an invasion that is what a nuclear weapon is for
>If you are a tiny spit of land that has one Chinese caliber nuke smoking maybe 1/5th or so of your entire land (or well inhabited land, negev ignored) then it's a bit of a bigger fear.
The point being Israel's land is so small that you can, with my picture, have maybe 1/5th to 1/7th of the entire population be hit by a single nuke. One over Carmiel, one between Netanya and Nablus, one in Tel aviv, one in Jerusalem, one in Beersheba, you've basically painted all of Israel with a (chinese) nuke. That's the strategic depth they lack. Yes they can second strike, but they'll do so with a majority of their population dead - both from the nuke and from the Palestinians rising up and doing a zombie-like massacre with the collapse of the Israeli state.

Shit, you're a bot aren't you? You saw I posted a map and you said "Did you even check a map". I literally posted a fucking map.

>>63874854
what's with that nuclear first strike scenario?
no one thinks a nuclear war is winnable, especially china with its nofu policy.

>>63874713
>nuclear-weapon states don't wage war against each other since that results in MAD
Er, what? India and Pakistan had a war. Kargil War, 1999 (also known as Fourth Indo-Pakistan War). Both had nukes, both killed each other for months. No nukes flew.

>>63867478
Tehran doing great atm. There is no panic

>>63867200 (OP)
>Millions & Million of Dollars for this.
>360p Black & White

Does real war even exist?

>>63871964
You guys figured out how to build a turbojet powered Kayak ripoff ASHM, y’all should be able to figure out a domestic Sam

>>63867200 (OP)
>>63867248
looks exactly like that Spice 250 vs Pantsir video from about 1 year ago

>>63875358
>360p

Israel deliberately nerfs the video quality of their footage (as opposed to Russia whose FLIR is just dogshit).

>>63867518
>thats all nice, but trump has already chickened out on the bunker busting

Yeah, about that, Anon...

>>63867200 (OP)
IDK what this is but it's fake in some way
it clearly doesn't look like you're approaching those objects, it looks like you're zooming in to an image.

Look how when it gets "close" the trucks don't have any perspective distortion or foreshortening. it's fake. And the you know whose language I see on these videos only serves to cement the idea that it is a lie. I think they may have lied about some other stuff before as well, not sure though

>>63867683
No they just want to kill some sandniggers

>>63877515
I think it's really funny how we passed the point when retards believed everything on the internet by default and have reached the point where they selectively dismiss things they don't want to believe as fake.

>>63877525
anon I don't even know what the mp4 is depicting but it definitely looks weird. Don't try to convince me it doesn't, because it does.

HOWEVER, I just realized that maybe the camera on the missiles or whatever has a small view angle anyway and the feed cuts out before impact because it detonates before impact. That would explain things

>>63867869

You can't keep 'em down on the farm.

>>63877609
TV guided weapons have a camera with a very long focal length, makes them easier to aim and steer.
the feed cuts out early because its a stand off weapon, the further away it is, the the longer the delay between what the operator sees and whats actually being recorded by the munition.

>>63877765
yes, that would explain it
thank u anon

>>63870401
I’m wondering how many more sorties the IAFs airframes can handle before needing to be replaced, some of those legacy fighters are from the 80s and they’ve been flying round-the-clock for almost 2 years now

>>63867639
these are clearly delilah missiles used vertically, chud

>>63867200 (OP)
Sugar and spice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXD2DwcDMIE

>>63877609
>anon I don't even know what the mp4 is depicting but it definitely looks weird. Don't try to convince me it doesn't, because it does.
Because you are looking through what is equvaleht of x10 scope.
Imagine driving a car looking through x10 scope. Weird.

>>63871531
>Organic protests
Never do anything

>>63880443
If you like to believe that every successful revolution has been puppet-mastered by the CIA then sure, organic protests don't do anything.
That's an unfalsifiable position and ends up depending on circular reasoning because literally any counter-example I provide, you'll insist was the CIA or a Hungarian investment banker for some reason and the less evidence that outside forces were involved, the more you'll insist they were covered up.