Thread 63867429

You have been hired as the resident gun sperg on an arctic expedition. Your job? Protect the science nerds from polar bears. What guns and equipment would you bring?

South pole? Nothing other than food and personal equipment.
North pole? AR-10, LPVO and night vision and lots of mags on top of that

>>63867429 (OP)
ATGMs

Because the important part is to have fun.

>>63867429 (OP)
Flashbangs, CS gas and something semi-auto in 7.62x51. I would bring non-leathal because polar bears are fucking awesome and I really don't want to kill them.

>>63867429 (OP)
certainly not a bolt action as I am not a homosexual
>>63867447
Clarkson said the leaf retard handler flipped out at him because they told the top gear crew that if a bear attacked you should fire like 3 warning shots or something retarded

>>63867458
A bear 50 meters away is a bear I want to leave but I don't want to kill. A bear 10 meters away already has 5 rounds in it and I'm aiming the 6th.

The Danish Sirius patrol in Greenland has to deal with this exact threat. Unlike the rest of the Danish army they carry M1917 Enfields and Glock 20's, as semiauto rifles have questionable reliability in the cold.

>>63867438
The south pole is even more dangerous because there is a hole that creatures from middle earth can come through

>>63867429 (OP)
Ithaca 37 slug gun, probably a Tikka t3 Arctic because it'd be mildly funny, My USP Expert, and then a 10/22 with a SHITLOAD of ammo to help me pass the time.

>>63867429 (OP)
Whatever I can arm the bears with.

>>63867748
what about these

>>63867438
>South pole?
He said ARCTIC you stupid fucking nigger.

>>63867429 (OP)
Glock 17
A sweater

>>63867429 (OP)
A Mosin.

It's really fucking obvious how none of you have any experience with either extremely cold temperatures or polar bears.

During the winter months, the arctic temperatures easily drop to -40° Celcius or lower, which is cold enough to freeze most semi auto actions without proper cold rated lubrication (graphite is whats most commonly used). Hell, one thing you have to be wary of is condensation; if you bring a rifle/shotgun thats been exposed to very cold temperatures inside a warm tent, and then bring it out again, the condensation will freeze, causing your gun to be rendered almost useless without breaking any ice first. The solution for that is to leave firearms outside and never bring them inside warm tents for the duration if the expedition.

And polar bears are EXTREMELY fucking dangerous, to the point that in many parts of northern Canada and Alaska, you are required to have a firearm on your person before you leave civilized areas. Polar Bears are hypercarnivorious apex predators that are among the few animals that see humans as a food source and will not hesitate to hunt you down.

As for firearm of choice? For long guns, mininum a bolt action rifle in .308 class or greater, a lever action rifle 30-30 or greater, and/or a 12 gauge pump action shotgun with buckshot and slug rounds on hand. If you're in Alaska, where handguns are an option, 10mm semi automatic pistol or .357 magnum or greater revolver are the bare minimum. Anything else is just ill suited for the job and conditions.

You guys are forgetting the real threat at the south pole: the Elder Things.

>>63867970

Also the enormous penguins, those have to be dealt with as well.

>>63867970
challenge accepted

>>63867922
Glock is good because it doesn't have many sharp edges. It wont hurt so bad when the polar bear shoves it up your butthole

1911 chambered in god's caliber.

>>63867429 (OP)
Gold action with 22mm rifle adaptor

>>63867969
> .308 class

Could you be a noguns?

Winchester Model 70 in .375 H&H
-controlled feed
-bolt action
-dangerous game round
-if condensation gets in the bolt and it freezes up, you don't need tools to take it apart
-the Model 70 has taken thousands of bears

Fun fact! Polar bears are some of the only animals on Earth that actually hunt humans for food and don't see them as a threatening fellow predator.

>>63867438
>AR-10
Your gun freezes and doesn't work because you picked a gun not designed to work in arctic conditions.
A polar bear is ripping your dick off while you fight the bolt which is frozen shut after the frozen firing pin didn't go off.
>>63867439
>ATGM
The battery is dead due to the cold. While you frenetically push the power button, a polar bear removes the skin from your face while you're still alive.
>>63867621
>Ithaca 37 slug gun, probably a Tikka t3 Arctic because it'd be mildly funny, My USP Expert, and then a 10/22 with a SHITLOAD of ammo to help me pass the time.
You pass out from exhaustion carrying all that crap after 10 steps in heavy insulation clothing, the polar bear starts eating your ass first since you're lying face-down in the snow.
>>63867922
>Glock 17
The polymer frame crumbes in the cold under your hands, which the polar bear promptly starts chewing on after you tried to throw the slide at him, the only solid part of the gun left after the incident.
>>63867957
>A Mosin.
You weren't issued any ammo, thus the bear mauls you to death. On the plus side, the comrade behind you has a stripper clip worth of ammo and manages to snatch the gun you dropped and load it, so he might make it.

>>63868265
>Implying I'm carrying that all at the same time.
retard detected.

>>63868265
>you picked a gun not designed to work in arctic conditions.
You mean the gun that the Dutch state airline included in the survival kit of Arctic flights?

>>63868265
Whats the point of posting shit like this. I shoot you in the leg so the Polar bear eats your balls or whatever, what now?

>>63868316
What the fuck do the Dutch know about Arctic conditions?
The FN FNC is actually Arctic capable, but do they hold some kind of hateboner for their more inhumane and horrid neighbours?

>>63868332
Fool, that leg is a prosthesis because my leg was bitten off by an orca!

>>63868335
for the walloons?
they don't even think about them

>>63868265
>The polymer frame crumbes in the cold under your hands
you don't know about the Remington Nylon 66

>>63867438
>South pole? Nothing
You fool

how would I fare with a flamethrower?

>>63868340
you've gotta love when an idiot doesn't understand what their doing, pretends they do, and there's a film crew there recording it for posterity.

>>63868119

Would you have preffered if I refered to that as "anything in the full power rifle cartridge range" instead? I was trying to be more specific. Regardless, I stand by what I said.

>>63867859
There are two arctic regions, you NIGGER
>>63868265
>>63868410
These are risks that I am willing to take

>>63867429 (OP)
A guide gun in like 45-70 that feels good with whatever gloves I am wearing. Just like I do IRL.

>>63868793
>turn a polar bear into blackbear
I guess this does lower the threat level

>>63868870
There is only one arctic region.
The south pole is the antarctic since it doesn't have bears.

carfentanil dart gun
/thread

Winchester Model 70 Alaskan in 375HH Magnum with iron sights, swap the stock for a composite one
Smith and Wesson Stainless 6" model 629

>>63867969
i remember pics of legit PMC in complete gear escorting scientists in the artics, it seemed like the guys weren't just here for the polars bears since they got PC, helmets and NVGs along with full auto ARs

>>63868918
but what about the ant arctic

>>63867429 (OP)
>>63867429 (OP)
>You have been hired as the resident gun sperg on an arctic expedition
HOLY SHIT
THAT IS MY THREAD
THAT IS ME

>Protect the science nerds from polar bears.
I actually did 2 rotations (~6months) north of the arctic circle
though I was one of the nerds myself kek
and there was no one dedicated "gun sperg", everyone got a safety course and there just had to always be someone with a gun (license)
which was usually someone who could handle guns prior who got assigned the task (so my Uni didn't have to pay them to get training)
in that case me...
the other government just blindly stamped licenses for the researchers, literally had to do nothing

anyway
>What guns and equipment would you bring?
standard was bear bangers, flare guns and pen flares

the next line are 12GA bean bag rounds
they can't penetrate the bear's thick hide and fat layers so don't kill, but really scare them
at least they told
I (luckily) never had to shoot
the regular slugs were rottweil exact and brenneke ones I think

also you want a pump action, everything else is somewhat unreliable
we had a
>Benelli Supernova

all doesn't matter though
>just fly your thermal imaging drone
>check for bears
>and don't go if there's one

That lever action savage rifle the cannuks used to run would probably be a good choice, it was built for cold weather.

>>63869046
Ants dont like the cold that much

>>63867438
>Arctic
>South Pole
Lurk for a year, you stupid fucking bitch.

>>63868335
>What the fuck do the Dutch know about Arctic conditions?
They own Greenland?

>>63868870
>Doubling down on retardation
Post funs, underage turdie.

>>63867429 (OP)
phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range

>>63867969
Lever action seems like a terrible choice, desu desu. Lots of moving parts and not readily broken free if something locks up i.e. you can't mortar it.
I think pic related would be a good choice, whether the 76 in .30-06 or the 77 in .308

>>63869052
>just fly your thermal imaging drone
>check for bears
>and don't go if there's one
What if they start shooting the drones down?

>>63868410
Based and roller delaypilled.

>>63869052
Based nerd bear protector.

>>63869257
Denmark and Holland are different things anon.

>>63867447
>I would bring non-leathal because polar bears are fucking awesome and I really don't want to kill them.
Enjoy being eaten.

>>63867817
>claws
I have the right to bear arms, not just claws.

>>63869303
Panic.

>>63869329
So are Holland and Netherlands.

>>63869329
Yuro is as yuro does.

>>63867586
Agatha fauna are chill.

>>63869361
So Texans and New Yorkers are the same too?

A flare gun, an enfield and a 10mm glock.

>>63869375
Which part of Texas?
But seriously, they are both likely to be brown.

HK416 rebarreled for 6mm ARC
Sako .338 Lapua with Leupold Mk4
HK45 or FNX45 modified to fire .460 Rowland
suicide pill in my lower right molar

>>63869375
Outside of some small outposts in the Midwest we're all gay, brown, obese Californexicans now.

>>63869359
All Holland is Netherlands, not all Netherlands is Holland.
>>63869375
Terrible analogy. Border to border distance from Netherlands to Denmark would fit inside the state of New York.

>>63869375
>>63869456
Proper analogy would be are Upstate New Yorkers and Vermonters the same or New Hampshirites/Mainers? Or Pan Handlers/Okies?
You disingenious fucking faggot.

>>63869481
Why do you put all the images through the blurry trash filter before posting, even the relevant nontrolling ones?

>>63869052
That sounds sick, did you see anything cool out there or was it completely uneventful?

>>63867429 (OP)
A commercial FN98 in 9.3x62. Cerakoted metal, 20" barrel with a tang peep and hi-viz front sight. Big cheesy round ball bolt knob. B&C fiberglass stock.

I'm in a work camp with a problem black bear rn, it got a taste of garbage and we're trying to haze it out. All I'm allowed to have is spray but there are a few people on site with 12ga shotguns, it'll probably be shot by tomorrow.

>>63868265
>The polymer frame crumbes in the cold under your hands,
The Sirius patrol literally uses Glock 20s you retard

>>63868817
Worked pretty well

>>63867429 (OP)
W.W.Greener double rifle in 416 Rigby

>>63867429 (OP)
A flamethrower and a offensive amount of cold resistant fuel so it won't freeze on me when I'm trying to turn a polar bear into a tropical hot bear.

>>63867429 (OP)
Sks with fixed bayonet will do fine

>>63869329
Lowland garblemouthed swampnigger Germans. Same thing.

>>63869375
Yes. Denizens from Austin and NYC vs the little town yokels from each state are essentially interchangeable

>>63867429 (OP)
That Mauser looks about right. 8mm, of course.

>>63867429 (OP)
A well made 416 Rigby #2 double rifle.
A Remington 700 bdl in 7mmRUM
A Glock 22

>>63869711
It's a Sako
>>63869717
Impressively gay choices

>>63869745
Well made doubles do not fail. They have separate triggers and separate systems for each barrel.
416 was carried by Harry Selby. Perhaps the greatest PH to ever grace Africa with his presence. There is nothing on earth 416 cannot handle.
The 7mmRUM can send 175-180g 7mm bullets over 3000fps at the muzzle. That's a high sd/bc bullet with the velocity to put shots on something large at enough distance you are in never in danger if you see it first.
.40 SW 180g solids out of a G22 have very manageable recoil. Allow for a high rate of fire. Have a decent capacity. And will penetrate deep. Exactly what you want in a defense pistol that is a tertiary backup firearm.
You have proven and will not fail.
You have reach out and touch a motherfucker from distance and still hit with authority.
And you have a pistol you can reliably mag dump if need be.

>>63869329
Denmark isn't a real country.

>>63869854
you're not really taken seriously

>>63869052
Like the other guy asked, tell us about your arctic travels...did you get bored easiliy?

Also are the ice caps actually melting?

>>63869874
nta, but yes. The problem is that they aren’t melting at any predictable rate in accordance with external human influence in such a way that those variables are statistically significant when measured against the base melt rate. Basically, they’re melting faster than what old data modules would suggest and that’s throwing off predictor models. That’s part of the reason why the name has changed so much (global warming/cooling, climate change, etc). The current predictors say it will be something like 7 or 8 years (I’m not firing up SPSS), but even then the rate gets thrown off because shit will either speed up or slow down. This is compounded by the fact that we are exiting an ice age so the rate gets thrown off even more because of that.
tl;dr: yes, but just chill out about it because it’s gonna melt anyway and we don’t know what the fuck is gonna happen

>>63869906
7 or 8 years til what?

>>63867429 (OP)
>no one itt will survive a tupilac encounter

m1 garand
m1911
worked well enough in ww2 to beat the japs and shoot friendly forces in alaska.

>>63868265
The gun didn't freeze up. That was Mr. Hickey.
The ATGM battery didn't die. THAT WAS MR. HICKEY!

>>63869929
I wouldn't worry about it. You've got a gun, right? You should probably get a gun.

>>63869046
>ants
Flamethrower.

>>63867586
>a hole that creatures from middle earth can come through
That's New Zealand, mate

>>63870021
They don't say 'mate' New Zealand, they say 'bro' (tho they pronounce it 'brew'). Also stop giving me god damn fucking 120 cool downs, I've posted several times already.

>>63867429 (OP)
.308 Galil with a ton of softpoints.

>>63870062
>Also stop giving me god damn fucking 120 cool downs
only happens to me on a mobile network

>>63870113
Yeah I'm not on one, it finally stopped after 5 times. Usually it's one or two.

>>63869593
Is that a FAB grip??

>>63867429 (OP)
What gun is that? Anyone know?

>>63867429 (OP)
Garand.

If the terrain is flat, the range of a rifle would be overwhelming, but if it is as uneven as the OP image, a surprise attack by a polar bear would be scary. There would also be frequent fog.

>>63868265
>when the anon with the mosin gets killed, pick up his weapon and load the ammo you were given

>>63867429 (OP)
The Mosin

because the fudd lore of German snipers preferring scoped captured mosins because the tolerances allow the rifles to work much better in freezing temperatures is true!

>>63869032
that's actually just for the bears
they're extremely dangerous

>>63867621
>>63867969
>tikka arctic
>he doesn't know
https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/stocks-c-19-rifles-canadian-rangers
Ruger chads win again

>>63869052
Based, thanks for sharing anon

>>63867970
polar bears live in the north tho

>>63868265
I can't believe the polar bears infiltrated our supply lines

>>63870987
how could you spot a huge white bear getting into your stuff
he's thermally camouflaged

>>63870987
They're extremely clever. Careful one of them doesn't rig your snowmobile with a car bomb.

>>63869052
When I did time in the Arctic Circle we had 870s with slugs and Tikkas with 7.62 NATO.

We were told to do warning shot first and record any sightings.

No bears seen, but we did have these dudes following us around a lot.

>>63868167
Their mistake

>>63872414
>We're not stuck in this frozen wasteland with you.
>You're stuck here with us.

>>63868997
>model 629
Ah the Clean Harry

>>63869052
Sounds really cozy

>>63868265
Post paws.

>lightweight
>very basic mechanism with loose tolerances that wont seize up due to the cold or snow
>robust
>high capacity mags that dont take up much space
any tube gun would pretty much do the job, and the suomi worked for the finns in the tundra

>>63872638
also
>inb4 9mm isnt enough
show me a single instance of a bear of any kind surviving 33 shots of 9mm magdumped into it

>>63869303
>What if they start shooting the drones down?
then I'd gladly sacrifice one of my coworkers to be the first to publish a paper about gun wielding polar bears
gonna get more citations with that one than with everything else I've written so far combined kek

>>63869874
>>63869536
>did you see anything cool out there or was it completely uneventful?
other than my research - it was boring, as expected
never even saw polar bears irl only once through a camera
you basically work 7days/week

went core boring once, tagged along just for fun, that was pretty neat
and flew multiple times in a turboprop research plane with cameras worth 10x the airplane (part of my actual research)

once though, the wind stopped
flat ice / snow as far as you can see
and then total silence
with occasionally loud cracks
stomach dropping surreal feeling, it was really weird and hard to describe

>Also are the ice caps actually melting?
sadly yes
you can argue about the why and the projections
but in recent years the ice mass reduced a lot and the reduction even accelerated

>>63872680
>once though, the wind stopped
>flat ice / snow as far as you can see
>and then total silence
>with occasionally loud cracks
>stomach dropping surreal feeling, it was really weird and hard to describe
sometimes i get that feeling just in my house on a calm sunny day where theres nothing but the ambient noise of my fan, look outside and everything is almost still, house is quite, no people in sight, makes you feel like the only person on earth
makes me wanna go out to open sea on a day with so little wind that sailboats would get stranded without an engine, or out into a salt flat

>>63868909
It won't eat you, but it will kick the shit out of you and steal your shoes

>>63872400
Cute did you pet any?

>>63872680
>>63872709
I've felt that way before one night when I locked my keys in my car and had to walk home to get the spare. At night that town is completely dead and it felt so weird walking down a 4 lane street that's completely empty

>>63872809
They wouldn't let us, mostly wanted any food we had left unsecured.

Only ever saw them travel in pairs, and clover leaf around wherever we set up to try and sneak in. Apparently they're a nuisance to the Inuit, but they were pretty cute.

>>63868265
>the comrade behind you has a stripper clip worth of ammo and manages to snatch the gun you dropped and load it, so he might make it.

>>63867438
>semiauto in the north pole
lmao

>>63869472
Really NY/NH, ME/VT, TX/KS but yeah

>>63868332
Anon kept killing all his friend's PCs in bullshit TPKs so nobody lets him DM anymore. This is his only outlet, aside from playing Tomb of Horrors by himself.

>>63870112
Dear God, that optic mount is atrocious.

>>63869817
Break actions are still complex. They are meant to work through dust and rain, not subfreezing temperatures.

>>63867429 (OP)
Tikka T3X Arctic and a Ruger Super RedHawk in 44 mag as backup. Then like, flares and thermal and shit. And hand warmers or whatever else you'd normally need, guns aside.
At least one other person should carry the same setup. More if you have a larger group.

Alternatively, a 12 gauge with slugs.
Although, to be honest, you could probably get away with mostly just running your normal kit + some cold weather shit on top. Just gotta be careful with lubricants and batteries and stuff.

>>63874472
>>Well made break actions are complex
No the fuck they are not. They work extremely well as they were designed for extreme heat. In extreme heat you want as few different metals and use those that expand at the same rate in the heat. And that means in the extreme cold they works very well. As they "shrink" at the same rate.
FFS doubles have been used on artic hunts forever.
You should educate yourself BEFORE you form some wild opinion.
Here, just for you. A well made double with its independent systems is foolproof. A single selective trigger system is a bit more complex.

>>63874472
Add to that that Wesley Richards doubles were taken to the south pole. Wesley Richards doubles were carried on the first successful passage of the northwest passage...
There is no other rifle more reliable than a well made double with independent trigger systems. They have been everywhere man has been on earth and they simply do not fail.

>>63867429 (OP)
>The lightest combination gun I can find and still lob .45-70 out of
>.45-70 Alaskan survival derringer sidearm.
>M2 flamethrower for squadmate
>LAW for squadmate
>depth charges
Whatever horror we find out there in the icy wasteland is getting smoked one way or another

>>63874147
Yes, but it's clone-correct. Along with the scope too.

Dynamite

>>63874513
>educate
And you should expand your vocabulary. American's really love to pound basic words until they become defacto mutt talk.

>>63874701
>American's really
>American is really
or
>American possesses really
ESL.

>>63874947
>>63874701
He means American'ts.

They seem pretty chill in that Russian town they took over. Maybe give them vodka and borscht or chase them away with a drone.

They studied this ages ago and the valmet came out on top IIRC

>>63872645
>33 9mm does the same damage as a 375 bro just do the math
Back to /v/ newfag

>>63867429 (OP)
>arctic

Gay, can we go to the antarctic so I can get a leopard seal wife?

>>63867429 (OP)
>What funs
A crate of brand new Sako M23 in 7.62x51 real fuckin NATO (oiled with the new spooky winter sauces)
Short barrel variant, no suppressors, P++ ammo, for maximum ear rape
>equipment
Horsecock dildos and elk coats

>>63867462
wtf is a meter

>>63867429 (OP)
I would bring a few rifles in .416 Rem Mag.

Polar bears are regularly hunted using .375s or .416s. The only modification I would consider is removing part of the trigger guard so that the rifles can be fired while wearing mittens.

>>63876636
i know how guns work i'm not retarded
with more bullets you're far more likely to hit vitals, bones, arteries, the spine/head, and if not kill it then atleast stop its charge
sure maybe a couple of 9mm wont do too much, but that whole ass magazine will

>>63877167
>9mm fag
>Retarded
Many such cases.

>>63877591
it's a ubiquitous drop in post nuclear war society, what are you gonna do

literally any rifle used by finland in the winter wars

>ppsh with a few 35 stick mags and a 71 drum for close encounters
>a brace of obrezes
>a cut down ptrs-41

>>63869558
yeah this, wood stock though probably.

>>63867429 (OP)
I make a post on weibo that Taiwan is planning to give all the polar bears Taiwanese citizenship so they can conquer their cut of Russia and claim legitimacy over real China
A billion Chinese flood the arctic and eat all the polar bears to extinction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk9NLUyYEpw

>>63877619
>My life is like le epic vidya!

>>63876956
About 100 9mm's placed side by side.

>>63867429 (OP)
Winterized semi-auto .308 with suitable ammo and a good optic, an M-79 (with flashbangs, illumination, CS gas, buckshot, and practice rounds), a pile of hornet's nest grenades, some sturdy jacketed steel wire, a sledgehammer, and steel stakes with eyelets. Maybe add in a .50BMG bolt action with API-T on tap just because fuck you. Probably also enough break action single shot .308s to arm all the science nerds just in case.
Also at least one large arctic crawler type vehicle (like a Nodwell 320) refitted with living space and a fuel trailer, battery bank, solar panels, and a couple small wind turbines on top. At bare minimum something like the Bv 206.

If they can't afford the arctic motor home then 3-6 more guys with their own guns and some good solid tents with stoves. If we don't at least have vehicles and sleds to haul shit and they refuse to get any they can protect themselves, I'll stay home. If they can't afford at least the .308 and M-79 with flashbangs and illumination shells, I'll stay home.

Out of what I actually own I'd probably take my Ruger M77 MkII in .30-06, my 9mm Px4, my M70 N-PAP, and a pick mattock. Would have to go get a suitable lubricant for the extreme cold but that shouldn't be hard to get at all. I'd be coming with a nice pile of my own ammo but the only one I have proper huntin ammo for is the .30-06. If the AK can reliably run with the proper lubricants it honestly doesn't matter though because I have zero problem with dumping a 40 round mag or two in a bear's general direction and I know I will hit it more than a few times doing so (practice your mag dumps kids).

>>63879921
I'm really going to miss watching those three go on wacky adventures. The specials really were special.

>>63869929
Till glacial ice is gone.

>>63870599
That's an extremely tiny polar bear.

>>63869296
Lever actions are used all the time in the arctic circle, that's why I brought them up. They're not any more complex than any other manually operated action.

>>63867429 (OP)
Mauser 98 magnum action based safari rifle in .416 Rigby.
Also, a M79 with actual grenades cause fuck polar bears.

>>63869052
>just fly your thermal imaging drone
Aren't polar bears supposed to be well insulated? Can you really see them in thermals?

>>63882467
They're a hell of a lot warmer than ice dude.

>>63867970
Aren't those the ones that like us? Or is that the great race of Yith?

>>63882467
>Aren't polar bears supposed to be well insulated?
even better
their fur literally absorbs infrared
especially when they lay in some ditch they're almost invisible

>Can you really see them in thermals?
yes and no
sometimes directly, but usually not
but you can get AI image (video) recognition tools that are trained for polar bears
these work pretty flawlessly and run locally on any newish laptop with dedicated GPU

also you don't just fly once (if it's not a remote location)
typically you screen ~1h before and then start to have one contentiously flying from ~15min before you go out
these drones barely cost anything, fly 30min+ on a single charge and we just had like a dozen replacement batteries

>>63868265
>South of 60 Coldlet subhuman that’s never been to the Arctic talking shit
Yeah, so I’ve carried and trained with a C7 in multiple arctic exercises, and I grew up in the far north. An AR will absolutely work fine in arctic conditions if you give it a simple wipe out and run dry lube.
>>63867429 (OP)
Polar bears are enormous and terrifying. 16in AR-10 or .308 AK with spicy rounds of choice, minimum.

>>63884212
>their fur literally absorbs infrared
how the fuck does a polar bear have more nextgen camo than modern soldiers? how do we steal their powers

>>63887229
We must breed with them. It's the only way.

>>63869817
>Well made doubles do not fail
Water can get into the firing pin channels/hammer mechs/triggers and freeze and there would be no way to fix it in the field. Bolts, pumps, semis are all easily stripped down to the ignition system so you can keep it clear. .416 is fine, but who cares who carried it. Also
>2 shots
>lol
>7mRUM
Is fine (though dead for a reason), but we're not bear hunting so long range performance is irrelevant.
>G22
The fact that you'd pick a 22 over a 20 when your concern is Polar Bears makes no sense, your long guns have legit unmanageable recoil but you're going to pick a .40 over 10mm, which is not at all unpleasant to shoot.

>>63887229
>how the fuck does a polar bear have more nextgen camo than modern soldiers?
>how do we steal their powers
we already did
and even have better stuff...

there is "camoshield"
which is freely commercially available and pretty good

then there are specialized coatings and metamaterials that modulate infrared radiation
graphene-infused composites for example work exceptionally at absorbing IR
standard dielectric coatings reflect IR and can be applied to almost any fabric
e.g.
>tungsten oxide for long wavelength IR

but nothing you can just buy off the rack

this was a pretty big mil research field for the last decade
all solutions have their limitations
but for standard stuff, IR camouflage is basically a "solved issue"

that's why these polar bear searching drones work so well in the first place
the image recognition uses a pretrained model for military applications

I'm surprised that this isn't common knowledge on /k/
if you're enlisted in any NATO country you most likely (unbeknownst) already seen IR camouflage fabrics

>>63867429 (OP)
my FAL and 92fs of course

>>63867429 (OP)
Military grade tranquilizer darts and my dick.
There's going to be some fucked up polar bears limping around the arctic.

what weapons would you use in this scenario?

>>63867429 (OP)
I bring an E-web, a crew with cold weather gear to serve it and a skiff to mount it on

>>63867859
>>63868870
You’re both morons

>>63887268
>>There would be no way to fix it in the field.
What the fuck are you talking about? You have never used or stripped a external hammer double obviously. You are so wrong with this statement it hurts my head. All of it, just wrong.
>>shots 2
Yes. Two shots. I once watched a man put 6 shots of 500NE into a feral water buffalo with a fine double. Quite quickly. The point however is that you have the most reliable 2 shots of a proven caliber.
>>who cares who used it?
This shows your immaturity and ignorance. When a man lives eats and breathes dangerous game in Africa for many many decades and is hands down considered the greatest at guiding, tracking and BRINGING MEN HOME SAFELY, what he had chosen for rifle and caliber cannot be ignored.
>>you dont need long range
The job is the security and safety of the crew. Part of that job (one i have done but not in the artic) involves knowing when there are known problem animals in the area. This means making decisions to dispatch them BEFORE they get close enough to become a problem. Like it or not this is part of the job and the best option.
>>unmanageable recoil
For you perhaps. I have had the privilege of using most of the "African" and magnum long range cartridges. I have no issues with 416 and 7mmRUM including follow up shots.
>>muh 10mm
I say this as someone who is no recoil shy and grew up shooting 44 mag. I personally can unload a magazine of .40 from a full size glock faster more and accurately than I can a 10mm. Significantly. Considering we are discussing fractions of a second being important. Hard cast 40, 45 are more than enough at close range. 10mm offers more penetration for sure. But does it offer enough for me to trade that for accuracy and shot time? No, because on a charging animal i am not going for bleed out. I am looking to incapacitate with a cns hit. Knowing that death is the most likely outcome for me, I'll choose what I know. And what I know has worked on other dangerous game. 40SW

The Taurus Judge is all ya need sonny. Don't need anything else. 410 shells are plenty, and when ya run out of those just put in this sleeve and ya can fire 9mm.

>>63887229
It turns out the adaptations for retaining body head in fuckoff cold temperatures are also really effective thermal camo.
Look into polar bear fur though, it's wild. The hairs are actually transparent and hollow, and just scatter and reflect light in a funky way that makes it look like it's white.

>>63868005
That's not a dog!

>>63890268
Suicide vest
At least the orca will go down with me.

>>63891506
>external hammer double
Even hammerless doubles are easily serviced in the manner that anon is talking about. Hammerless guns for hunting dangerous game usually had bushed firing pins aka "disc set strikers". The guns came with a tool you could use to unscrew them for cleaning or repair.

>>63891506
Literally just carry a Glock 19 none of that shit is necessary since bullets kill anything either way

>>63867438
Thermal scope would probably be pretty nice

>>63894525
The Danes used to do that, but it turns out that 9mms weren't reliable for polar bear defense. They use 1917 Enfield rifles and glock 20's.

>>63894539
>adopt gunsight that is useless without batteries
>it's fucking cold out
>batteries don't work worth a shit when its cold.
>did I mention its really fucking cold out
What could possibly go wrong?

>>63867969
This is a good effortpost. Thanks, anon.

If you could design a gun from scratch for the express purpose of polar bear defense in the arctic, what would you design? What species of gun and what caliber? Revolver, rifle, autoloading pistol?

I remarked in the other bear defense thread (now archived) that maybe a machine pistol might not be too unreasonable a choice for bear defense. One outfitted with every possible recoil reducing measure to get ~30 rounds into the bear in <2 seconds. Hope all those rounds either overwhelm it physically, or one hits the brain. Cause how long is your window of opportunity once you spot a bear, who has spotted you, and is now charging?

>>63894655
>This is a good effortpost
It's not bad, but it's far from perfect. Anon wants to recommend shotguns, but seems totally unaware that shotgun powders are infamous for having poor performance in cold weather. A 12ga might be totally acceptable for grizzly defense in more temperate climates, it is NOT appropriate for an arctic climate.

This isn't some big mystery that needs solving, dangerous game rifles are a thing already. A quality double rifle or controlled round feed bolt-action is the gold standard for dangerous game anywhere on earth. People will argue for eternity over which is preferable or which caliber is optimal but it's just splitting hairs at that point.

>>63868964
You’ll be dead before the carfentanil hits the bear’s bloodstream. It will die, but only with a belly full of you.

>>63894563
>Danes
There's your problem, any normal person can just magdump but eurosissies can't handle the massive recoil of 9mm

>>63869052
Jesus man, fucking bean bags for polar bear defense? Did anyone there know the first thing about polar bears? Or were you hamstrung by PETA types?

>>63869257
The arctic is white, cause of all the ice and snow. GREENland is green, cause of trees and shit. it’s right there in the name, you stupid fucking nigger.

ICEland is the arctic, btw. Cause it’s got ice, also right there in its name.

>>63867447
>I don’t want to kill polar bears.

Luxury opinion that can only be held when there aren’t polar bears nearby. If you’re in the arctic and you encounter a polar bear, one of you has to die.

>>63867429 (OP)
I heard that the Finnish RK series survived cold well.

>>63891799
*googles*
>”a polar bear’s skin underneath the fur is actually black”

Mind is actually blown.

Looking at pictures of them now, yeah I guess I can kinda see it. Streaks of black here and there where the fur is split into 2 diff directions.

>>63894525
This is why I carry a .25 acp in bear country and in the city. Reliability of a centerfire but small and controllable. A bullet is a bullet

>>63891506
>What the fuck are you talking about? You have never used or stripped a external hammer double obviously.
Very rare style of firearm and I am not aware of any being made in .416. If you were working with guns like this, you'd appreciate how rare they are and not act like they're something most people encounter. By all means, point me to a maker, I'm genuinely curious.
>Yes. Two shots. I once watched a man put 6 shots of 500NE into a feral water buffalo with a fine double. Quite quickly. The point however is that you have the most reliable 2 shots of a proven caliber.
The STOPPIN POWAH of the heavy solid, ladies and gentlemen (assuming this happened).
>muh legendary hunter
You can appeal to authority all day long and come to a dozen different conclusions. I take it for what it's worth. Incidentally, Thomas Selby's famous .416 was a Mauser.
>The job is the security and safety of the crew. Part of that job (one i have done but not in the artic) involves knowing when there are known problem animals in the area. This means making decisions to dispatch them BEFORE they get close enough to become a problem.
I have done this job and I'll tell you now that if you shoot a bear that isn't an immediate threat you'll be removed from the project and charged by the COs. I've had to monitor a lot of sketchy bears that would have been much more convenient to shoot. I was monitoring a problem bear in a mining camp when this thread was started. While the thread is fun, most companies hiring a bear monitor or bear guard specify that you carry a 12ga shotgun with slugs, so the whole thing is moot.
>I have had the privilege of using most of the "African" and magnum long range cartridges
I think you've shot what your dad owns.

>>63876991
Polar bears are regularly hunted with .243's loaded with the cheapest ammo possible.

>>63895541
>1.25 caliber

And how many tons does a gun chambering such an artillery shell weigh?

>>63894655
NTA but after a lot of hunting, guiding and bear monitoring around northern Canada (thank fuck I'm not a monitor any more, Jesus) my ideal bear gun would be this:
>>63869558
I'm in the process of putting it together as we speak. I forgot to add in the post, it will have a rail for a light. Spent some sleepless nights in camp on the lookout for problem bears.

I choose a rifle over a shotgun because I want precision and dead flat trajectory to 100 yards.

I choose a bolt action because it's the most rugged and the easiest to strip and maintain without special tools. I think this is particularly important for the OP's scenario - an expedition. You can exert maximum force on the bolt handle to open a completely frozen rifle, a shotgun doesn't give you a good leverage point to do that. If your 500 or 870 has a frozen lug you're SOL and you could potentially fuck your slide handle or action bars if you work hard enough to get it open. Levers are held together with screws, I do carry a lever action right now but they're just not the same level of rugged. On a Mauser you can remove and strip the bolt without tools. You can remove the whole barreled action with one allen key. In a stationary work camp, hunting camp or other home base I think this matters less.

I choose 9.3 largely because of the panache. I'm less interested in the caliber than the form factor, I'd like a .375 Ruger but there's a ton of old 9.3 barreled actions around for modest money.

The rest is pretty self explanatory, big bolt knob for fast manipulation & more leverage for primary extraction, big high viz sights for fast short range shooting, all weather stock and coating.

For a sidearm, I love my 629 but if I was going on an Arctic cross country trek I'd take a Glock 20. They're just more rugged and field servicible.

>>63895557
Probably relatively little given that it fires a less-lethal plastic bullet.

>>63895557
Jokes aside, there is historical precedent for a hunting gun of that size, and it even fired explosive shells....though apparently it was not heavy enough.

>Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.
>—Sir Samuel White Baker, The Albert N'Yanza, Great Basin Of The Nile, 1866

>>63895643
950 JDJ from back in the day, except the gun firing it is like 1/4 the mass. I’m assuming this was a commissioned, one-off gun?

>>63895729
>I’m assuming this was a commissioned, one-off gun?
Yes.

>>63894762
Biology is funky like that. It makes sense, though, since otherwise you can get pretty crazy sunburns from 40+ hours of UV exposure at once, so the skin has to be pretty absorbent.

>>63895643
Imagine the sound

>>63867429 (OP)
I'm using whatever the bears are using.

>>63895159
Guy, you are retarded. Seriously.
One, I named the maker. Two you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, vomit out an uniformed opinion then do some form of arrogant backpeddling? You seem to have swallowed some Dunning son.
>>stopping Powah!
Its a large heavy solid with enough mass and momentum to reach vitals, cns, from the worst possible angle. That is why they are chosen exclusively for defense against dangerous game. Now you know. Keep it up and you are just stupid.
Selby carried a Mauser. Yep. Except it wasn't a magnum. His original was a standard action that was filed down and modified enough to fit the magnum. Yeah. It was a product of making due with what one had. I personally would not now choose to recreate that. His he personally had faith in due to use. One made to replicate it could very easily fail.
>>I would, be charged...
That's why nobody with half a brain would hire you as security. As i stated, once you have been notified of a problem animal by local government its fair game and the choice is yours.
Stop larping you fucking Greenpeace dick gobbling faggot.

>>63896623
Lol you're a larping little faggot, I asked for an example of a modern external hammer rifle in .416. You brought up external hammers, now you're skirting my question because you can't provide. You needed another anon to describe takedown of an internal hammer gun for you.
>His he personally had faith in due to use. One made to replicate it could very easily fail
The fact that he used a bubba'd receiver is totally immaterial, his rifle was a bolt action. Are you questioning the legendary Thomas Selby?
>That's why nobody with half a brain would hire you as security
Child, no one with half a brain hires trigger happy retards. Mining, oil & gas, scientific sampling all require permits up the ass, which I deal with since I graduated past the literal idiot grunt work of bear monitoring. If you kill something without an immediate reason you jeopardize work beyond your own. The "local government" does not inform you of a problem animal. The "local government" doesn't exist when you're in the middle of the arctic. You choose if you have to shoot, your employer has a duty to report, and then you and your employer have to explain it all to the COs that inevitably fly out. If you "reach out and touch a motherfucker" as you put it, you'll be fired and charged.

You're not from Africa, you haven't been, you're not a PH, you've never guided, you don't understand the guns you're talking about, you don't understand how wildlife management works, and you've never shot a bear, either hunting or in defense.

>>63894492
>usually had
>came with
>could use
Past tense for a reason.

>>63867429 (OP)
Either some random AK or a Mossberg 590 with slugs. I am simple man, but the bear will die.

>>63867429 (OP)
.35 whelen Remington 760

>>63870062
>They don't say 'mate' New Zealand, they say 'bro' (tho they pronounce it 'brew').
I think mate and bro is pretty much interchangable.

I've noticed bro being used the most in west auckland, I assume the same is true with South.

>>63896757
The Dunning is hard in you. Just like your uncle was.

>>63867429 (OP)
rifle chambered in .458 lott
wheel gun chambered in S&W 500 under my coat
bear spray
ammonia
game processing kit

>>63867429 (OP)
I used to work as a shooting instructor on a range and once we had a few guys come in who were supposed to train for going into polar bear territory, i don't remember the country though, but I'm in Poland and it wasn't russia, they may have been from Denmark or Norway. Anyways they told me that they will be required by law to carry mausers 98k and we were the only range around that had these as rentals.

>>63896757
>Past tense for a reason
The point I was trying to make was that back when they were in more common use (as opposed to being pure luxury pieces like today) that feature was common. I didn't explain, because I figured you were smart enough to understand, that the modern ones also have that same feature.

>>63897965
Mald, seeth, project, cope, retreat :^)

When you're ready to buy your first gun I suggest you save up a little more and buy something better than an Axis. Get something in a common caliber as well, you'll thank me later.

>>63898552
Yeah, I wasn't attacking you, just emphasizing that they're increasingly rare outside of high dollar African concessions.

>>63899497
You have provided an interesting view into the mind of someone who is both a moron, but thinks they are brilliant. One who has no experience, yet thinks they are an expert. How fast did your uncle cum?

>>63900201
No meanifngful response to the fact that you don't hunt, have no wildlife experience and don't own any guns.

If you bring your larp down to earth a bit and memorize some more gun facts off of wikipedia, you might get by in future threads without getting called out. Just remember to keep your statements vague.

>>63900398
What is claimed without evidence is dismissed without evidence. One needs to bring substance to expect it in return. You are low level sludge in general, in the ballistic world you don't even register.

>>63900554
>increasingly ambiguous and unrelated insults
Yep. Nogunz, huntlet, owned at games & life, etc.

>>63900652
Not ambiguous or unrelated. Very direct and simple to understand. You, yes you, tried to counter my choices. You did not use actual experience to come to your opinions. You did not use knowledge to come to your opinions. You simply applied ignorant bias loaded to full effect by the rather severe Dunning syndrome. If I had to guess you have a couple behavioral and/or learning disabilities mixed in there as well. At least on of that starts with opposite or some form of.
As started, simple. Nothing you have posted in this entire thread is based in any actual substance. No fact. No applied logic. As such you are dismissed as easily. A joke. A clown. Something to be pathetic. It would be sad, but you can not accept nor even understand what you are. Even the picture and final comment stink of desperation. Not to be correct, but for approval from the crowd. Chasing dopamine to fill the void that meaningful life and relationships usually fill.
Get help. Oh wait, dont get help.

>>63901099
God, you're such a lolcow. I can't let go. The projection is so fucking good. Dunning-Kruger invoked by the guy who doesn't hunt, doesn't shoot and makes it obvious in every post. Anyway, tell me more about me lol

>>63890304
Imperial storm troopers. Bears have nothing to worry about.

>>63867429 (OP)
They should learn some lessons from the Yoopers
>my only hope was betty lou, She was the one, A combination AK57 uzi radar laser triple barrel double scoped heat-seeking shotgun

I would bring two shotguns, one loaded with slugs and the second with buckshots, .44 Mag revolver and Marlin rifle in 45-70 because it's probably reasonable to use this round against polar bear.

>>63867969
Polar bear will go blind instantly seeing that one on the bottom, problem solved

>>63901721
>preppers unironically believe carrying a dozen retarded choices is the same as carrying one gun that does the job better

>>63901774
I am not a prepper. I genuinely have no idea what's the best choice against polar bear therefore I will bring more than one type of firearm. Also I expect that I am not the only one who have guns. So these will be a choice for my team so nerd #1 is going to have a shotgun with buck, nerd #2 is going to have lever 45-70 and so on. Just one primary + revolver for each. I don't think that's too retarded if we learn how to shoot the guns before we leave for the expedition, should be fine.

>Carl Gustaf with a single AP round
I'll be the laughingstock of the expedition lugging that stupid thing around; but we'll see who's laughing when I return to camp covered in polar bear guts, grinning like an idiot because I allowed it to get within 20 feet

>>63901833
>Literal fucking retard can't Google a basic question
Newfag pls go

>>63901947
>just google things instead of having a discussion
Yeah, why are you even here?