Major airshow with new planes and things. Post planes. siae.fr

Please help out with posting. Thread can't run for a month, more like a couple days.

I will focus on new aircraft and equipment. Discuss deals as much as you'd like but don't necessarily wait around for me to catalogue all of them.

▶Press Kit

https://www.siae.fr/en/medias/
https://indd.adobe.com/view/publication/a3769a71-bed6-4b42-b747-84c36549c331/u2i5/publication-web-resources/pdf/SIAE-DP-2025-EN.pdf

>>63868681
Also, I completely forgot to mention - post demos too.

▶Dassault UCAS UAV

Wingman
https://theaviationist.com/2025/06/20/new-stealth-ucas-rafale-f5-paris-airshow/

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>>63868766
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▶Israel

Israeli booths were covered during the show. There was a lot of media about this, but it follows on (attempted) outright bans by the french at both Eurosatory and Euronaval:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61886045/#q61957818

Since we literally can't see the products that were covered up, I won't be looking for recently announced israeli weapons. At least a few were going to premiere at this show.

Checking whether products from Israel's major companies (Elbit, Rafael, IAI, etc.) are rebadges or relaunches of existing products is always annoying, so this is fine.

▶Turgis & Gaillard MLRS Foudre

First public appearance, I think.

▶Dassault VORTEX Spaceplane

Article
https://opex360.com/2025/06/16/dassault-aviation-travaille-sur-le-projet-davion-spatial-vortex-avec-lappui-de-la-dga-et-du-cnes

PR
https://archive.is/DhuF4

Photos
https://photos.dassault-aviation.com/galerie/category/536875319

▶Ghibli Propaganda

Too hot to think today. Tell me what you want to see.

Also, looks like the official / brand media people have embraced the quick cut gooner style for ruining demo flight video. 1 second of a demo team before you switch shots.

▶Lanying R6000 Tiltrotor UAV

In October last year, China announced a very large tiltrotor UAV, with obvious dual-use purposes as a civil/military aircraft.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62656887

Tim Robinson reports that the first flight is next month.
https://twitter.com/RAeSTimR/status/1934212603015831782

Note that we didn't have a proper Zhuhai thread because of an overwhelming amount of spam at the time. The showthread was deleted along with all the spam.

>>63868894
>Turgis
>now presenting a new large caliber missile erector

Ahhh the French

▶Shark Light Attack Aircraft

>Light aircraft from Shark given new role in anti-drone jamming & UAV hunter mission.

>>63868977
>it's real
Well I have heard that the french love anime

>>63868802
The walls were covered with graffiti, which then had to be covered with black tarps. Funny but goddamn if the protesters aren't winning the signal:noise battle online for expos.

>>63868925
Damn I wish the euro would get serious about space.

>>63869043
Would EU nations be interested in prop light attack craft. Certainly have plenty of jets that can fill the role.

>>63869105
There's always the super tuc.

>>63869023
>Turgis
That's litterally their CEO's name (and it's a woman)
You will also be delighted to learn that while "Foudre" means "Thunder", the very similar sounding "Foutre" means "Cum"

>>63868977
>Too hot to think today.
Just checked and it's around 35C / 95F at my desk currently. A meal of heavy pasta should help, right?

>>63869090
Euro who?

Wait a minute. Stellantis ruins planes now too? Not just cars anymore

>>63868802
▶Rafael IRON BEAM 450 DEW

Fuck it, I'll do one.

PR with embedded vimeo video
https://rafael.co.il/news/rafael-and-the-israeli-ministry-of-defense-unveil-new-iron-beam-laser-director/

PR tweet
https://twitter.com/RAFAELdefense/status/1930625790313484605

>For centuries, humanity has been captivated by the enigma of light. Its unmatched speed and limitless power. The creative and inquisitive minds of Rafael's engineers have harnessed this unparalleled power, making a technological leap that redefines modern warfare.

▶Archer Midnight eVTOL

>● 4 passagers, 160 km d’autonomie, 240 km/h.
>● Partenariat avec Stellantis pour une production dès 2025.

>>63869392

>>63868660 (OP)
Post Rafale all angles svp

>>63869392
>>63869400
That looks sick

>>63869404
There are a bunch of different configurations. Conformal fuel tanks, old weapons for still-negotiated Serbian contract, etc. Demo flights as well.

>>63869412
Post everything you got. Everything.

>>63869412
Start worh CFT tanks

>>63869400
op are you a grill
?

▶Dassault Rafale CFT

Article
https://opex360.com/2025/06/13/dassault-aviation-sapprete-a-devoiler-un-rafale-dote-a-nouveau-de-reservoirs-externes-integres

3 pics of the current (2025) setup, followed by reference of the old (2001) setup that didn't sell.

>>63869493
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>>63869493
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>>63869501
>>63869506
>>63869512
Oh yeah thanks

▶Rafale fires meteor

A sea-going Rafale M fires a Meteor missile for the first time, it seems.

Article
https://opex360.com/2025/06/20/un-rafale-m-de-la-flottille-11f-a-tire-un-missile-air-air-meteor-pour-la-premiere-fois

Video
https://twitter.com/SebLecornu/status/1935723669080219847

>>63868802
macron is panicking

▶Rafale F5: Safran has launched the development of the M88 T-REX, the future engine of the Rafale F5

For context, this is a badly needed engine upgrade that keeps getting the kick-the-can-down-the-road treatment in budgets.

Opex360
https://archive.is/4DUP5

Prev @ euronaval: french national gibs were sought for this, but not obtained.

>▶Safran hopes to launch the T-REX project to equip the Rafale F5 with a much more powerful engine
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62921058/#q62977012

▶MICA NG missile aboard Rafale

● First firing test performed
● Final delivery delayed until 2030
● Previously expected to be delivered 2027

https://archive.is/LngPq

>>63869591
He lost repeated lawsuits / appeals on banning them from shows, so this is the next logical step.

▶Daher Mystery MALE

At PAS, the french procurement agency DGA has signed grant agreements with 5 manufacturers to develop MALE aircraft for low-cost operations.

One of these players, Daher, has no public information about its drone, but claims it can be built in 6 months.

The list:
● Turgis & Gaillard: AAROK
● Fly-R: R2-600 rhomboid
● AURA-AERO: Enbata
● SE Aviation: DRIADE
● Daher: ????????

https://archive.is/tqfqI

>>63868660 (OP)
Do they do it every year?

>>63869694
2 years

>>63869662
▶AURA-AERO Enbata MALE

● No US components
● ITAR-free
● MTOW: 2000kg
● Payload: 1000kg
● Endurance: 55h

AeroTime, Air & Cosmos, FlightGlobal, OpexNews
https://archive.is/RVCp5
https://archive.is/5dfXQ
https://archive.is/420G7
https://archive.is/Wpdl4

>>63869756

>>63869756
>the dream of the 90s is alive in the banlieue
One of the only true things I've ever said
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62714622/#q62715771

>>63868766
Why does the FCAS still look so fucking gay? I want a fucking Dorito. Get your shit together frogs or you can build your shitty "6th gen" on your own.

>>63870024
They've been fighting all week about it.

>>63868710
>https://indd.adobe.com/view/publication/a3769a71-bed6-4b42-b747-84c36549c331/u2i5/publication-web-resources/pdf/SIAE-DP-2025-EN.pdf
Skip all the "muh women in aviation" and environment and sustainability crap.
> pages 47 and 48 are the stuff flying and stuff on static display
> F4U
> P51
> F86
> Yak 3

>>63868977
>Tell me what you want to see.
Any news on the m-346 block 20?

>>63868977
Turgis & Gaillard AAROK please.jtgt0m

>>63871676
They signed a deal with india

▶Rafale Demo

https://youtu.be/IZOp8rDoObM

>>63868894
▶Turgis & Gaillard MLRS Foudre (cont.)

Brochure with construction pics and chassis info.

>>63872296
exploitable

▶Turgis & Guillard AAROK

>We are proud to announce the landmark partnership between Turgis & Gaillard and Bharat Forge Ltd., marking a new chapter in Franco-Indian defense cooperation. The two companies have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to co-develop and manufacture the next-generation MALE UAV – AAROK – in India.

https://archive.is/tWd3d

▶Turgis & Guillard × Thales: AirMaster S

AAROK will integrate the AirMaster S radar from Thales.

>À l’occasion de l'International Paris Air Show , nous sommes fiers d’annoncer la signature d’un protocole d’accord avec Thales autour du drone MALE AAROK.

>Objectif : développer une capacité française de surveillance aéronautique intégrant :
>• Le drone AAROK, conçu et produit par Turgis & Gaillard
>• Le radar AirMaster S, multirôle, éprouvé au combat et entièrement développé par Thales

https://archive.is/lgrqd

▶Turgis & Guillard AAROK (cont.)

Fanny Turgis says it's ready for its first unmanned flight.

https://bfmtv.com/economie/replay-emissions/good-morning-business/fanny-turgis-turgis-gaillard-le-drone-aarok-pret-pour-son-premier-envol-16-06_VN-202506160208.html

Here is a promo video they put out, showing manned tests:

https://youtu.be/yS0cM_rOcHo

▶MBDA VSHORAD Missile: Fulgur

Last year at Farnborough, MBDA announced something they called a VSHORAD missile.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62139554

This year at Paris, it was given a name – Fulgur – and we now have specs.

https://edrmagazine.eu/pas-2025-mbda-details-its-new-vshorad-missile-named-fulgur

Random aside: do people really view non-US procurement threads as ukraine threads?

▶MBDA One Way Effector UAV

European missile house MBDA has launched a low-cost, long-range, one-way effector for high intensity warfare at the Paris Air Show, backed with an industrial plan of producing 1000 units a month. The design, which was produced with internal R&D funding, integrated with a 40kg warhead, jet engine and capable of flying at a range of 500km, has been under development since December 2024. The goal: sell it to France in large quantities to meet an emerging requirement to increase combat mass.

>>63872928
>Based on lessons learned from recent conflicts, this new effector is:

• Ground-launched
• Designed for salvoes
• Built to overwhelm enemy air defences through constant pressure

>>63872928
Autism

● Dates: Flight testing in Sep 2025
● MTOW: 100kg
● Payload: 155mm arty shell
● Power: unspecified jet engine
● Prod: 1000 units per month
● Range: 500km
● Span: 3m
● Speed: 400kmh

ArmedConflicts / Valka, Breaking Defense, MBDA
https://archive.is/OupoH *
https://archive.is/08PkE
https://archive.is/zS9eZ

▶Thales Media

Don't mind me, just stashing

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/event/paris-air-show

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/newsroom

https://medialibrary.thalesgroup.com/portals/uotw97dr/ThalesMediaLibrary/c/f286ddfd-3ca7-4cb6-9d48-d8f8df929029/s/97c44620-93c2-413e-b4b7-7fd6c88b9c43

https://medialibrary.thalesgroup.com/portals/uotw97dr/ThalesMediaLibrary/c/83208741-7f7b-4c0a-a591-49abec20342f/s/97c44620-93c2-413e-b4b7-7fd6c88b9c43

https://medialibrary.thalesgroup.com/portals/uotw97dr/THALESMediaLibrary#97c44620-93c2-413e-b4b7-7fd6c88b9c43

>>63869444
No he just has dainty girly girl hands

▶Thales × KNDS unveil RAPIDFire Land

A land-based variant of the 40mm RAPIDFire Naval defense system, in two configurations:

1. Semi-mobile for site protection, with a 20-foot platform set up on the ground that can be readily moved and re-deployed to other locations.

2. Mobile, with the 20-foot platform mounted on a vehicle to protect high-value assets in the theatre of operations.

The french procurement agency DGA has ordered 48 × RAPIDFire Land.

>A KNDS representative told Janes, "The turret is more compact than for example the Skyranger 35 mm turret. We originally put this on the CAESAR [self-propelled howitzer], which is a 6x6. The CAESAR gun module weighs seven tonnes, [while RapidFire weighs] just three, so it can go on a VBCI [véhicule Blindé de Combat d'Infanterie] 8x8, or Patria's AMV [Armoured Modular Vehicle] 8x8."

EDR, Janes, Thales PR
https://archive.is/4mt3H
https://archive.is/mqUSE
https://archive.is/RKwGy

>>63873256
Compare: models from march this year and eurosatory last year.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61886045/#q61980167

>>63869756
▶AURA AERO Integral family of electric light craft

>>63873311
first public flight

>>63869662
▶SE Aviation DRIADE MALE UAV

https://mcr.aero/en/models/driade/
https://mcr.aero/uploads/2024/06/PLAQUETTE-DRIADE-site-internet-EN.pdf

>>63873340
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>>63873340
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▶Boeing Wisk Aero eVTOL

▶Embraer Eve Air Mobility eVTOL

▶eHang eVTOL

china

▶Badass Helicopter

>No pilot license is required to fly in the USA

https://badasshelicopter.com

>>63873542
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>>63873551
This looks fucking stupid not badass.

>>63873401
imagine driving this into a crowd

>>63873650
But aerocycle and gyrocopter troops are pure soul. Single-man ultralight rotary transport is the distilled essence of dying in a deathtrap.

>>63868977
>Tell me what you want to see
is there coffee any good?
>I had my public ticket
>parents decide on a whim they are going to the côte d'azur
>strand me with the cats
>merde
at least I managed to change my tickets to september so I can take the weekedn to go to the Musee d'armée du Terre and the Musée de la Marine

>>63873811
People made better helicopters in their garages.

>>63872302
lol

>>63873778
vgh. Imagine a high-low killchain with the chinese deathtrap doing the mowing and the Racer catching the escapees.

▶Airbus Racer Helicopter

>>63873842
Look at their website. I'm pretty sure this was made in a garage too.

>>63873844
Someone do the needful and swap the letter please. I'm posting way too lethargically to bite down on these juicy distractions.

▶ShieldAI new aircraft

A new aircraft, not based on the V-BAT, will be launched in September. They announced this with a chudmaxxed teaser trailer.

Article
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/06/shieldai-launching-next-gen-aircraft-in-september-tremendous-opportunity-new-ceo-says

Trailer
https://vimeo.com/1089809624/0b9ddb3653

>>63869043
What makes this better than a Super Tucano?

>>63868894
If I saw this in flames in a Russian video, only the unibrow would distinguish it from the obvious ID

>>63868802
>Israeli booths were covered during the show. There was a lot of media about this, but it follows on (attempted) outright bans by the french at both Eurosatory and Euronaval
Is that because of Gaza or competition or both?

I like how they made it look like the Mecca cube.

>>63873933
I'm assuming they cover it for the public days to avoid activists doing stupid shit and causing a incident

>>63872928
>>63872935
It's nice that it looks like it wasn't built in a garage but those stats just make it a worse Geran. It doesn't even match early gen Sneeds.

>>63873955
>>63873955
>I'm assuming they cover it for the public days to avoid activists doing stupid shit and causing a incident
That wouldn't explain the b&s and lawsuits.

>>63873882
The super tuc would slaughter this boi in every matchup. They're not the same class of aircraft. The shark is an ultralight: you can cut most supertuc specs in half or ¼ here. It's a hobby aircraft now in the process of being armed.

Compare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano#Specifications_(EMB_314_Super_Tucano)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark.Aero_Shark#Specifications_(UL)

Upside?

The advantage of using the shark for short-range cUAS air patrol is that it's extremely cheap and plentiful. You need mass in the sky more than you need combat prowess when swatting down a swarm attack. Adaptation of the lightest available aircraft for anti-drone duties has been a good idea so far in Ukraine.

Biggest downside?

Eh. Having seen some of those builds in the flesh, with a couple work-related ridealongs and second-hand experience of the typical shootdowns, my worry has always been unpredictable targets. One day soon, a shahed-like, flying a preprogrammed course, behaving like we've seen a thousand times in the past, will simply use a 20 cent sensor to detect an uncomfortably close aircraft and detonate.

Ukraine has already lost manned aircraft in drone chases, though none so far to reactive behavior from the drones. sUAS already demonstrate evasion in A2A combat with interceptors, ex. vidrel >>63776555 and >>62786928. Sometimes autonomous, sometimes by the pilots.

But the tactical difference in a manned chase is that you don't have to avoid: all you have to do is collide. As a drone, knowing that you're the target of a manned system usually makes your pursuer the highest-value thing you can hit.

>>63873882 cont.

A more competitive matchup for the super tuc would be an aircraft like the new military conversion from Flying Legend, which also started life as hobby aircraft.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63038843/#q63073620
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63038843/#q63078556

>>63874002
>lawsuits
I had no idea about that

>>63873933
It's because of gaza. They tried to shut out the Israelis for eurosatory and euronaval too, like I mentioned. This time, they went with a ban on displays of "offensive weapons." So a few stands without hardware displays were left to their own devices. Everyone else was covered.

https://reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/organisers-shut-four-main-israeli-company-stands-paris-airshow-israel-says-2025-06-16

The changelog so far:

● Across france's major tradeshows, joint israeli-european ventures have been left up. Example: Euro-Trophy.

● As of last euronaval (Nov 2024), some companies without any participation in the gaza war managed to showcase their goods – and they didn't have to remove weapons from their display models or anything like that. Example: Israeli Shipyards. https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62820683/#q62873528

● This time, you're shit out of luck if your booth has hardware.

IMO the real reason is that they want to avoid protests and heightened risk of terror attacks. The germans get memed for needing alles in Ordnung, but ime the french are consistently more draconian whenever there's a perceived threat to social order. Hell, it's even illegal to perform genetic testing for paternity results in france. Social order above all.

>>63869056

>>63874206
Lots of people have been using the spare walls. Just hanging out.

>>63873969
Whether it's totally shit depends heavily on the payload and swarming

>>63873839
You missed the PM getting stuck in a rafale.
Post cats

>>63874035
>>63874044
Appreciate the info dump. Didn't realize capability disparity.

>>63874262
Astérix au secours!

I'm not posting my cats here
God knows what the furries that post here would to with those pictures

>>63874772
Well somebody has to post something on this board other than spam or else.

▶ArianeGroup Deep Strike Missile Balistique Tactique (MBT)

The European aerospace company ArianeGroup is showcasing two models of long-range tactical ballistic missiles, potentially suitable for use as "Deep Precision Strike" weapons, at the Paris Air Show currently taking place in France. According to well-informed sources, the models, known as Missile Balistique Tactique (MBT), are conceptual designs developed for and offered to the French armed forces.

Almost certainly related to the european ELSA initiative.

Hartpunkt, ELSA thread
https://archive.is/DHX2x
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62064312

▶ArianeGroup Véhicule MAnoeuvrant eXpérimental (VMAX) hypersonic demonstrator

▶ArianeGroup M51 SLBM

▶Delair DT61 Long-Range UAV

At the Paris Air Show 2025, Delair unveils the DT61, its new very long distance VTOL observation drone.

PR
https://delair.aero/press-releases/delair-unveils-a-new-drone-at-paris-air-show-2025-the-dt61/

Flight
https://youtu.be/vRlLJKkmnzQ

>>63874955
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>>63874955
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>>63874164
>It's because of gaza. They tried to shut out the Israelis for eurosatory and euronaval too, like I mentioned. This time, they went with a ban
Thanks anon.
Nice to see at least a little fallout.

>>63874864
damn ariane makes nukes too?

It's crazy how much worse Flickr is since May, when they kneecapped original quality downloads for and from all free users. They also force you to login for search now.

It's going to be ruinous for plane photography.

>>63875191
Just go to gogle images and add "site:flickr.com" after your query.

>>63875318
Google image search no longer respects most of the operators. If you put the search term in quotes or it's a single word, you can still get a marginal number of hits like this, but that's it.

I get 7 hits for the verbatim search, all from a guy named Dan Raistrick.

>>63875368
That sucks

>>63873256
It needs the full combat suite from that naval demonstrator, namely AESA radar and a missile pod.

>>63873862
Can it operate in gyroplane mode? Like the Fairey Rotodyne?

>>63873311
Looks pretty, at least. Interesting they chose to put the elevators closer to the propeller than the rudder, normally it's the other way around to minimize trim drag.

>>63878503
Yeah, plus as it speeds up the main rotor slows down and the fixed wings start producing lift, like in a cartercopter. A fairly ingenious design, sad so few modern helicopters copied it simply because there's no desire for improvement.

>>63875368
Are those ears or wings?

>>63872308
Now that looks like a French plane.

https://simpleflying.com/600-aircraft-orders-summary-sombre-2025-paris-air-show/

▶Some Flights

rafale

▶Airbus A400M

▶Embraer KC390

▶EC665 Eurocopter Tiger

>>63873862
▶Airbus Racer

>>63873862
Airbus Racer

▶Fouga CM170

>>63879399
>>63879408
hot

>>63879424
One of my favorites

>>63879446
first flight
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61755096

>>63869044
Mr.Ghibli is a huge Europhile, and the man fucking LOVES aircraft. He would probably have drawn that poster himself if they asked him to.

Separate event (army days)

Couple of galleries

https://lejsl.com/defense-guerre-conflit/2025/06/21/suivez-les-animations-de-la-journee-departementale-des-armees-en-direct

https://info-chalon.com/articles/2025/06/22/101048/forte-affluence-pour-la-4eme-edition-de-la-journee-departementale-des-armees

▶Dassault Media

Highlight video
https://dassault-aviation.tv/retrospective_du_salon_salon_du_bourget_2025-2352-fr.html

Highlight photos
https://photos.dassault-aviation.com/galerie/category/536875283

>>63879419
sex

>>63879463
Dangerous? Probably. Awesome? Definitely.

>>63879904
It fucks.

>>63874229
And speed and accuracy too

▶FN Herstal External Mount Gun System (EMGS)

>FN unveils its External Mounted Gun System at Paris Air Show 2025. This week at the Paris Air Show, we introduce the FN® EMGS to the global market – a fully qualified, hybrid weapon system already operational with the US Air Force on HH-60W Jolly Green II helicopters.

Linkedin
https://archive.is/AEuqA

PR
https://archive.is/HW7vr

>>63880199
Website link is broken, my bad.
https://fnherstal.com/en/news/fns-innovative-and-operationally-proven-fn-emgs-makes-global-debut-at-paris-air-show/

EMGS with GAU-21

▶Airbus H125M

Pics from FN highlighting their armaments. Misidentified on their linkedin as H145M.

▶Airbus NH90 Caïman

More sexy pics from FN Herstal. Sorry phoneposters, but this is pixelpeeping town. I think this is the "Standard 2" version for french SOF.

▶Airbus NH90 Caïman

More sexy pics from FN Herstal. Sorry phoneposters, but this is pixelpeeping town. I think this is the "Standard 2" version for french SOF.

>>63880327
Did they finally manage to fix it enough as not to be an utter shitpile?

>>63879669
>video
Lots of corporate coomer photography at this show. I think they managed to snap every woman with a normal BMI at the show.

>photos
LET ME SAVE THE PHOTOS YOU FROG FUCKS

>>63880343
This gets asked in every thread where the NH90 is mentioned but I still don't know what to say. A lot of the issues seem overblown, and most of the rest stem from the existence of far too many variants.

>>63880287
In what scenario is small utility heli with machine guns relevant these days.

Just refreshed and saw this thread >>63877567

Hopefully anon comes back and posts some more

>>63873933
>>63873955
Israel booked their place before the whole gaza shit that went off, so the french ministry of defense asked them to not come at the air show because of the controversial shit that might happen, kikes being kikes they decided to still show up and instead got straight up banned from the show and their booth covered from everyone's eyes.

>>63872308
>have the ability to create more jobs in your home country for your own army
>nope we give it to the jeets instead :^)
i hope this shit has the highest failure rate of all UAVs on the market

>>63880539
>Show with a heavy emphasis on military tech
>Use your military tech a little too well and upset people
>Banned from show
lol

just came back, that new Rafale demo was amazing

>>63880539
>the french ministry of defense asked them to not come

No. they asked them, and it was agreed, not to display offensive weapons (whatever that means).
Some israeli companies complied, and five of them, that still displayed such weapons, despite their previous agreement, had their booth covered

>>63880583
At least ukraine was the first licensed manufacturing deal.

>>63880745
ah ok, fair enough

>>63873811
god I wish the manblender caught on

>>63880485
counter-drone
summer of love bugspraying
many such cases

>>63880668
Get any nice shots?

>>63879904
>>63880146
440kmh isn't to be sneezed at. Neither is 750km range.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_RACER

>>63879463
Does the Racer use differential prop thrust to counter torque without a tail rotor or CACR rotors?

>>63881439
Yes. The tail boom is also asymmetrical.

Fun fact: 1458 of the 2746 threads so far in June have been deleted. That doesn't even count deportees and deletions that desu failed to detect. That's a lot of spam.

▶Hemeria Jackdaw Aerostat

New for the show. They also announced progress on the Balman maneuvering aerostat*, new smallsats, and satellites for france's first AIS and IoT constellation+. They also showcased the IDEFIX rover – scheduled to land on Phobos in 2026.

* https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62845190
+ https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62921058/#q63005246

▶EOS × KNDS: Veloce 330 UAV

The french jet kamikaze is out of prototyping and entering "an advanced phase" of operational qualifcation.

Now part of the new MATARIS loiering munition family from KNDS, where it's called* MV-100.

Article
https://opexnews.fr/veloce-330-eos-armee-francaise/

Video bonking an inflatable tank
https://youtu.be/WARK_O5M104

* More context
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63342493/#q63344728

It's too hot to sleep and I'm reading retweets of an "anticapitalist" group about how the rafale flying over them at an airshow was attempted press intimidation. I wonder how they plan to ruin the Royal International Air Tattoo this year.

▶Liebherr folding wingtip

>>63883485

>>63879373

>>63883485
>>63883494
Is it just for stowage, or can it fly with them raised, sort of like sharklets?

>>63878724
>simply because there's no desire for improvement.
Nah, there's just no desire for a more expensive middle ground. Faster than a helicopter and more expensive, slower than an airplane and less versatile (the fwd propulsion and lift generating parts are extra weight to carry when using VTOL, low useful load). It inherently limits itself to extremely niche applications.

>>63884585
The racer layout trades a single tail rotor driven by a long driveshaft for two smaller driveshafts driving smaller propellers, but it's otherwise identical to a regular helicopter. It doesn't require the extra 4 electric motors and propellers dedicated to vertical flight alone like in most evtols with wings or the complex tilt rotor mechanism like you'd see on a v-22 osprey, which arguably are the more expensive middle ground you are talking about rather than the racer.

>>63879373
>>63883503
God, she's so pretty.

>>63884767
>which arguably are the more expensive middle ground you are talking about rather than the racer.
They're all vaporware because they're worse than helicopters and airplanes. I'm just not talking about them so your point is kind of whataboutism. I am refuting specifically the "no desire for improvement" point in saying this: It's not an improvement. It's better at something that doesn't really matter in helicopter use cases (speed) at the cost of something that does matter (expense and useful load). Powered lift (evtol) garbage is doomed because it has zero safety factor (cannot autorotate) and abysmal energy density (batteries). Tiltrotor is doomed for a similar reason to "racer" (extremely expensive but not solving a problem that is worth the expense)

>>63873559
>Those painted nails

>>63884940
This is the same reason we keep seeing Mooney fail. Speed is not important enough to sacrifice load and pay a massive premium for. Modern Mooneys are notorious for having shit tier capacity which really limits their practicality and limits them to a very small market.

>>63884940
But it doesn't inherently sacrifice weight and useful load, it uses a main rotor just like a regular helicopter. At worst, you could argue the racer specifically reduced rotor size to optimize top speed vs load, yet compared to say the westland lynx, for a similar power to weight ratio it exceeds it in terms of speed and range. I haven't been able to find empty weight figures, so no idea of carrying capacity, but 10 passengers only seems low in the 8 ton gross weight class until you consider the quoted range; helicopters in the same weight class like the h175 and aw189 can only carry up to 12 people on board to reach those same 400 nautical miles...

And if carrying capacity is the decisive factor, then the most popular configuration should be the coaxial or intermeshing rotor, which outdoes the tailrotor configuration.

>>63885188
>But it doesn't inherently sacrifice weight and useful load
Yes it does. Stopped reading here. Adding a bunch of framework, multiple gearboxes, at least one clutch, two propellers, is extra weight. Do you think this stuff is made of magic? It weighs nothing? It costs nothing? The helicopter has to lift it you goofball, and it isn't necessary since demonstrably almost nobody cares about making helicopters faster since nobody is spending money on multiple fast helicopter concepts over the past 50 years.

>>63884957
What are you, gay or something?

>>63885209
NTA b4 you jump down my throat

Isn't the selling point fuel economy by slowing the rotor during cruise due to lift from the box wing?

I'm a little puzzled by all the control surfaces but if you have wings, you may as well get some authority from them.

>>63885666
Helicopters have absymal fuel efficiency so yes, it's a design criteria that it is more efficient during high speed flight than a conventional helicopter would be, though you will not see a conventional helicopter doing 400km/h cruise anyway. The problem with the design is that unless it's taking off using translational lift and its wings, it has to lift all of the extra weight like a conventional helicopter during the phases of flight in which having a helicopter is useful. There have been helicopter concepts with propellers and pseudo wings for decades, the reason they haven't caught on is because helicopters are already massively expensive and if all you get out of it is a faster, longer range helicopter, you run into an economic issue. To how many potential customers is it worth it to have a massively expensive specialized long range high speed helicopter instead of an ordinary turboprop airplane or a conventional helicopter that takes you to an airport to fly longer distances on an airplane.

As for control surfaces, they're mandatory. At higher speeds there are controllability issues inherent in using the rotor alone.

▶Airbus Racer (cont.)

Heavily edited clip from Airbus.

5 to 6 ½ minute flight videos
https://youtu.be/eugfQPAaOO8
https://youtu.be/1TQ6GxyicII
https://youtu.be/Vf6mzUf9kNI

Xavier Tytelman breakdown video
● with the test pilots
● dubbed in English
https://youtu.be/xOkKIG2hfuY

They mention the Clean Aviation initiative in the video. Here's an interesting link I already had from them:
https://clean-aviation.eu/research-and-innovation/clean-sky-2/results-stories/the-racer-gets-its-rotorless-tail-in-gear

They also mention that they've done 10 hours of flight testing, out of 200 anticipated hours.

>>63886278
note to self
ffmpeg script debug
reproduce w/o aq-mode: 2 (complexity)

▶Safran AASM Hammer XLR

Safran Unveils Latest-generation AASM Hammer XLR Glide Bombs with Dramatically Extended Range

It has a new turbojet engine, replacing the old solid booster. Range has been doubled/tripled, from 70km to 150–200km. Dual-mode seekers.

Screenshot from Xavier T walkaround. He also tours the Rafale CFT and other features in the same video.

Defense Express, Xavier Tytelman
https://archive.is/hQv0O
https://youtu.be/4N0UNgkioWw

>>63885733
>To how many potential customers is it worth it to have a massively expensive specialized long range high speed helicopter instead of an ordinary turboprop airplane or a conventional helicopter that takes you to an airport to fly longer distances on an airplane.

I would argue for at least passing interest from every SAR and medflight customer, once a production model with shrouds is on the table. Time is life.

>>63884957
Women be shopping.

>>63884280
I think the 777x can fly with wingtips raised, though it doesn't in practice.
https://youtu.be/y_9gUT2Tk8o

>>63886448
>I would argue for at least passing interest from every SAR and medflight customer, once a production model with shrouds is on the table. Time is life
You're not thinking like a budget committee.
Extending the coverage by a base means that you need less bases and can close a couple and give your boss a budget saving.

>>63886547
Well, we were talking about all customers. The civil market is a lot bigger than military. On the military side, tiltrotors will come to dominate imo.

If we want to think like pointy-headed bean counters, we can also include metrics like a reduction in fleet flight hours for the same number of bases and aircraft.

>>63886563
>If we want to think like pointy-headed bean counters
Nah, I can only do it for a single shitpost before my brain rebels.

>>63886502
>I think the 777x can fly with wingtips raised, though it doesn't in practice
Like extreme flaps?

>>63886303
>xhe's using a tinker tranny script
kek, no wonder the webm looked like shit. And the Racer will never be a commercial success.

>>63886448
Not thinking detailed enough, it might be too heavy for a majority of on-building medflight pads.

>>63886633
>webm
Whatever you use is just a wrapper for all the same shit. I've encoded thousands of webms for this board this way, with most being quality-maxed given the abysmal size limit. I type encode and everything is handled. It just werks. If I need a whole thread of webms, I just type encode-batch and everything is handled. My webms are widely reposted.

Thinking that I make the webms by hand is preposterous, like thinking I'm doing all these collages by hand. The only one I didn't make ITT is >>63872308 (the collage is the source media) and guess fucking what, it's shit rez and misaligned.

The problem with helicopter footage is fundamental to the size constraint and the limitations of encoders. Rotors always look like ass at low filesize in vp9. There's nothing to be done about it.

As always, you will quickly give up in this back-and-forth. (In saying this, I am encouraging you to reactively further bump the thread, yes. You cannot win. You could try cutting your losses with a quick moron reply like >tranny lmao.)

>racer
I don't particularly care if the racer is a commercial success. It's a demonstrator. More generally, caring about rotorcraft sale outcomes is setting yourself up for failure.

>>63886672
This is a valid point. I find it interesting that comparisons are usually drawn to AW609, which is plenty fat. Ex. https://helicopterinvestor.com/news/102048/airbus-racer/

▶Sikorsky S-97 Raider tour

They aren't giving up on the Raider yet.
International debut.
https://youtu.be/vDs9gFsjD9c

Breaking Defense article
https://archive.is/CFhFS

>Lockheed 'looking for partners' on NATO next-gen helo bid, will build in Europe: "Especially from an X2 standpoint, the largest procurement out there is really NGRC. And that recapitalization of the helicopter fleet in Europe is the largest thing we see today at least in the next 5 or 10 years," said Sikorsky boss Rich Benton.

▶Dassault Super Mirage 4000

>>63886943
Make her flyable!

>>63886970
>flying sole survivors
It's such a big risk.
On the other hand, who dares cums.

>>63868977
>>63869044
It was off the charts this year.
Oh cool planes-
>WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN
Oh that's cool but how about planes th-
>WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN

▶New german eurofighters will receive Saab's Arexis

Will not receive Praetorian DASS.

Hartpunkt
https://hartpunkt.de/luftwaffe-neue-eurofighter-sollen-selbstschutzsystem-arexis-von-saab-erhalten

▶MQ-9B To Gain Airborne Early Warning Role

General Atomics has partnered with Saab to develop an airborne early warning (AEW) mission capability for its MQ-9B family of remotely piloted aircraft. There are customers for MB-9B STOL. Italy, Japan, Spain, UK.

General Atomics PR, Naval News
https://archive.is/OhrCD
https://archive.is/oln8V
https://youtu.be/cKgSJtC4mJo

>>63869043
▶Ukraine receives its first cUAS Sharks

Anon crossthread: >>63883861

>>63868766
neuron asf

>>63873340
dat face

>>63871418
romania
https://aviationweek.com/defense/light-attack-advanced-training/leonardo-avioane-craiova-team-potential-romanian-m-345-m-346

>>63887505
▶Eurofighter production increaser

From 14 to 20 per year. Longterm increase to 30 per year under consideration.

https://hartpunkt.de/eurofighter-nationen-wollen-die-produktion-hochfahren

▶Are Sweden and Germany building an unmanned combat aircraft together?

https://hartpunkt.de/bauen-schweden-und-deutschland-gemeinsam-ein-unbemanntes-kampfflugzeug

▶POLARIS × Diehl: Spaceplane to receive IRIS-T missiles

A paris announcement. Someone already gave this a thread so I forgot to mention it.

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63863696
https://europeanspaceflight.com/polaris-spaceplanes-to-equip-its-vehicles-with-air-to-air-missiles

▶FCAS still looks like FCASS

Drama
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/06/fcas-drama-difficulties-between-airbus-and-dassault-again-hit-sixth-gen-fighter-effort

>>63888326
▶FCAS (cont.)

Stolen from Tim Robinson:
>Think this could be first glimpse of FCAS weapon bay options - as well as what remote carrier drones might carry.

▶Misc

>>63879373
▶Flights (cont.)

Highlight / compilation videos
https://youtu.be/IBr2_c441D8
https://youtu.be/WW1XLjTh358

▶Flights (cont.)

Highlight / compilation videos
https://youtu.be/IBr2_c441D8
https://youtu.be/WW1XLjTh358
https://youtu.be/IjfVw0RfwlE

>>63868710
>>63870755
>>63879373
Ok, so the official youtube page now has a video of each demo separately. Until today they only had day-long streams in pretty poor quality.

Here is a visual DB of all flight demos, with their times.
https://new-liste-exposants.hubj2c.com/siae2025/flightdemonstrations/en?id=1773

Here is the page that lists all of the flight demos
https://youtube.com/@SalonDuBourget/videos

>>63888292
As ugly as the M-345 is I fear that it's going to steal sales from the M-346 simply due to its cost. It costs to operate is similar to an high end turboprop and poorer countries will be tempted to use it both for basic training and LIFT without buying a dedicated LIFT platform which is the 346.

>>63888338
>First glimpse
First and last, heh

>>63889395
In fairness, that's the whole point.
>ugly
I don't mind it.

>>63888340
Okay, I would approve this FCAS design.
>>63888326
Dassault, please fuck off with this last gen design.

>>63890876
Comment has been forwarded to Trappier Internet Defense Force (TIDF) strike team

>>63888326
Moar: >>63891382

>>63869044
>love
French make anime arguably a lot better than the Japs at this stage.

>>63869044
how new?

>>63893660
proofs?

>>63888338
>>63888340
>>63888346
This doesn't look awful.

>>63886405
How many times are we going to reinvent Powered JDAM?

>>63869010
The rotors are variable pitch entirely set on the rotor? i.e. setting difference between center and end of rotor unbalances and counter-pitches the entire rotor. Also the separated turbine, good for dust and FOD control. Those are two significant large novelties, cannot say they aren't experimenting.

>>63868894
Horrible tire pressure regulation. Will be torn off in long grass. Stupid idea.

>>63897402
as many times as it takes for one to actually be used in combat

>>63888292
so what, will they just buy them? or help Italy build them for future orders? Romania will never need that many to justify starting a production line in Romania. And I doubt a potential client of Leonardo will be thrilled at the tought of buying a M-346 if it was built in Romania.

>>63873650
Its post ironic showmanship

I too was at the Paris Air Show.
I was working there.
Took a few pics here and there.

PAF - Patrouille de France (The French Air Force Aerobatic Team).

>>63898228
Another pic of the PAF.

Luftwaffe pilots chilling in the shade of the Eurofighter.

F35A on display.

>>63872857
>people

>>63898248
comfy

>>63888326 I prefer this to >>63888338. Also needs the fixed fuel probe or I refuse to acknowledge its Frenchness!

>>63899882
Why? How?

>>63898281
Regular anons, then.

No stealth bombers?

>>63902851
Fighters and wingmen.

>>63868660 (OP)
Dudes deleting his own posts so he can bump his spam thread for longer. Pathetic.

>>63905214
There are no deleted bump posts.

>>63897531
Yes.

>>63898100
The press release mentions localization for the C-27J, but not for M-346.
https://leonardo.com/en/press-release-detail/-/detail/18-06-2025-leonardo-and-avioane-craiova-sign-technological-and-industrial-cooperation-agreement-for-current-and-future-aeronautical-programmes

>>63898228
Thanks. Work?

Yay go see these two (Sinsheim) Like it was the sixties.

>>63898248
>tfw you will never enjoy a hot summer day under the shade of your planewife
why even go on

>>63907622
Wait these have traveled? Or what do you mean?

>>63895069
Mars Express was pretty cool

>>63908631
I'll watch it tonight.

>>63907792
It ain't over til it's over.

>>63883485
>>63883494
What’s so special about this? Boing can do this for like 2 decades now

>>63870755
>BRONCO OV-10A

>>63912476
This is the current gen Boeing wing

>>63912518
https://youtu.be/lin3AbrQxwY

>>63913020
thanks

>>63910253
It was alright.

>>63908631
Budget
€9 million[1]
Box office
$1.5 million[2]

>>63907620
>Thanks. Work?
Yep.
I work for the french business that was contracted to make and sell the Paris Air Show merchandise.
Actually designed some of the products that were being sold in the Paris Air show shops.

I could post pics, but I think that's enough personal info for now.
wouldn't want to dox myself.

>>63912898
What’s so special about it they have to show it off during this flight show?

>>63916760
>I could post pics, but I think that's enough personal info for now.
>wouldn't want to dox myself.
So, pics? <3

>>63916789
I'm no folding wing expert. It's just neat.

>>63913020
what a pretty thing

>>63917700
Ok fine.
I just did the design for some of the Paris Air Show merch products.
Pic related, the tags / streamers I created for the Paris Air Show.
These flew off the shelves really fast.

That's enough personal stuff for one thread.
Won't post more than this.

>>63883214
This guy will be mass-manufactured by Renault in France and Ukraine, allegedly.

>>63888338
>>63888340
do you have any on-hand photo for this FCAS design ? could be the closest thing to it's final form and configuration...

>>63868660 (OP)
Is the J10 in there?

>>63920849
That's very cool, fren. How many get made for a show like this?

>>63921135
Not without looking around. It was at the Diehl booth.

>>63921265
The model was posted upthread

>>63908585
No, they haven't.

>>63922339
>That's very cool, fren.
Thanks.
>How many get made for a show like this?
Around a 2000 or 3000, for each model, I think.
Not nearly enough though.
These things are the first to go out of stock.
That and patches.

>>63926796
Yeah that sounds like way too few. I was expecting at least double that.

>>63928321
usually it's around 1/5 of the visitor count

>>63920867
>Ukraine
good
>Renault
I'll believe it when I see it.

>>63933343
France says it will be an automotive French company. People are speculating it may be Renault:
https://kyivindependent.com/renault-to-begin-drone-production-in-ukraine-media-reports/

>>63933343
Renault has been making weapons since WW1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONPpCPYbzhk

>>63933442
Gift contracts to manufacture others' drones is new though. They're doing it with Delair too.

>>63937858
weaponize it

▶Flights (cont.)

F35A

▶Greek F16

>>63879381
▶Airbus A400M

>>63879394
▶EC665 Eurocopter Tiger

▶ATR 72-600

>>63937923
ez
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63159420

▶parachutist

▶P-51 Mustang

▶S-2FT Turbo Firecat

▶Curtiss P-40

▶Boeing Stearman Wingwalker

▶Patrouille de France (PAF)

>>63869444
I doubt anyone from this shit pit actually went there. Nerds just posting pics and vids from web.

>>63939450
didn't read the thread award

>>63943664
That's that, then.

>>63943666
Checked and yep. I didn't want weeks of necrobumping like the belarus thread.

>July
There will be nice RIAT roundups here:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/forum/66-aviation-photography/