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You Wouldn't Download A Draco Edition
>Thread #2066

Old thread here >>63823738

AK Buyer's Guides

>Rifles
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/SimpleBuyersGuide
>Magazines
https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality

>>63870520 (OP)
if you have the tools and skills to populate a barrel, bending a receiver flat isn't much of a stretch.

>>63870613
3d fags are retarded unless they're like rebels who need weapons in Myanmar or something

>yeah lemme spend a bunch of time and money to have something that will become a saftey hazard in 300 rounds
>never mind the fact that I could have something still have something untraceable that would last longer too if I just spend a few hours more

>>63870834
>Myanmar
They already have Galil clones, don't think they need 3D printed AKs.

>>63870905
In the early days people were 3D printing guns and making pipe shotguns until they captured enough Junta gear. Anyways, my point was that 3D printed shit is retarded in the context of the US. Its meant for guerillas who don't have commercial access to proper gun parts

>>63870923
>my point was that 3D printed shit is retarded in the context of the US
Could just be hobbyists who want to see what's possible or just for shits and grins.
Not everything has to be super serious.
>A guy used toothpicks to hold a front trunnion in just to see how many rounds it'd last.
>it was 3 rounds

I think my Draco might be gay

>>63871053
i think your draco wants to be white

>>63870923
who do you think tests these designs? It is mostly Americans who don't have to worry about getting into trouble for their priners going brrr with gun parts. We do field tests, Myanmar fighters then know what is going brrr on their printers works.

>>63835530
>>63835383
>>63835676

Update to OKP repro:

Actually pretty cool to look through. Shot a group at 50yds to get it halfway close, used my AK FRT to give it a violent time and back to controlled shots. Held zero like a champ. Only complaint I have is some reflections from the body of the optic and the mounting lever (or the lack there of...) andusing a hex key instead to mount it.

Took my KP9 as well to sight in my PK06 red dot. Turns out it was just low of zero when I put it on. tried to get my milled Steel FRT for it working but its just too heavy for 9mm I think.

>>63871214
fuckin nice! where did you get the chink copy? I missed on of the russian ones and would like a cope

>>63871221
A Jap who talks to the seller and sells mostly to JP. I talked to him and asked if he would ship to the USA. Added some duties/service fees (like 30USD) and we were all set.

https://x.com/Atamanee

Hit him up, he would be the best option for side mounted versions, other sites don't ship to USA or are only weaver mounts.

>>63871264
japanese people are so based

>>63852895
That top rifle is $865 today, adjusted for inflation.

>>63871686
I feel a little better knowing the price of WASR-tier AKs has been consistent.

>>63871686
And that might be accurate, if decades long bans weren't in place.
In real world prices, it's a bit more.

>>63872087
The AKussy.

>>63872172
>Don't make me tap the sign

>>63870923
3D printed stuff still has uses in the US. You can 3D print tooling like bending jigs for G3's and AK's.

I asked at the very end of last thread. Bonesteel LH folder or OG Beryl RH side folder for my Beryl? Part of me knows the OG would be cooler, but I am afraid I would have to replace the safety because of the shelf they added to them. Plus would add more cost onto the already more pricey option. Pic related is what I am talking about in terms of clearance.

Anyone know where I could find a gas block for an AKM that looks like a 90 degree gas block for something like an AK 103. Closest I've found is picrel but it has a sight and chopping it off would look like ass.

>>63873661
Thats an RD adjustable gas block, I know they sell picrel which is just the same thing without a sight. Only issue is it's $150 dollars which is double the price of what you posted.

I asked a friend if he could 3D resin print me one of those conversion followers. Curious if that would make a difference not using something like PLA+ or w/e.

>>63873848
>resin
it would break so fast
>>63873247
OG better, get that. I had a long reply for you but got too drunk and forgot to press Post.

>>63873706
Sort of what I'm looking for but not quite. I did find one that look's exactly like what I'm looking for, but now I have the issue of how do I get the gas holes to line up.

>>63873971
>line up the holes but now you need a longer gas piston and gas tube
>press the block on like normal but cut a very shallow channel to line the holes up
>just drill a new hole and leave the old one underneath (goodbye velocity and hello gas everywhere)

>>63874011
2nd option seems not retarded. I'll look into it and see if anyone else has done something similar.

>>63874068
I used to have a picture of it but I cain't find it no more. I'm pretty sure thats how AoA does their customer supplied Jack gas block swaps doe. You should do it with a mill but you can probably get away with securing it a vice and then use a drill press to chain some small endmill bit or ballstone passes together until you end up with a channel.

Or like a dremel if you're brave

>>63874109
Good thing I have a friend with a mill then.

>>63874167
Have him turn down your barrel too if he has a lathe. The AK-74 GB barrel journal isn't the same size as the AKM and needs to be extended rearward a few mm. Its possible to do by hand with emery paper but it fucking sucks and takes hours

>>63873947
Do you know if Tantal safties work on Beryls?

>>63873848
>>63873947
You could resin print it, mold it, do a cut mold, and pour some resin. Email Smooth-On if you have any questions about this, especially if you have a Smooth-On or Reynolds Advanced Materials close by, or even if you don't. I think $100 gets you free shipping, and $40-50 trial size silicone, ditto $ in trial resin, maybe $13 inhibit-x, and some mixing cups and sticks (deli 32oz @ $0.19/ea, sticks slightly more) would get you close. You'd need to post print cure the fuck out of that print (uv and isopropyl alcohol bath) and test to make sure there's no cure inhibition though. Tin cure silicone is apparently less sensitive to that, though, but doesn't last as long and isn't skin or food safe but is much cheaper. For food and skin safe and cheap and easy platinum cure, I recommend Sorta-Clear 37. You can see how you have to cut the mold if you end up having to for removal and you can clearly see how the resin is pouring in. They can help you with resin choice; I'm just getting into that. Be sure to get something heat resistant/heat tolerant. IIRC there's something-ONYX that deals with heat well but the cure is long and requires post processing (bake in cheap secondhand toaster oven outside).

Alternatively, FDM it in a slippery material for retardedly cheap @ $15-20 a spool and just replace it when you feel like it.

>>63874315
I don't know offhand but I'd guess someone here may. Alternatively if you see a vendor with the safety you could ask them?
>>63874564
Thank you, you've said it much better than I could

>>63870520 (OP)

>>63875175
Good looking mag. What is it? I'm an AR guy with a few commie guns. I don't know all the AK magazine collection autism

>>63875590
>What is it?
3D printed copy of an Izhevsk bakelite
>I don't know all the AK magazine collection autism
Don't start, it's a crippling addiction that has a very real chance to ruin you financially.
>but there's some pretty cool shit, if you can afford it and have the right contacts

Question
How is the RPK bipod retained on the barrel? Is it just held on by the front sight block and a shoulder in the barrel profile, or does it use pins, or something else?

is the mini jack in 556 any good or should I just get an m85?

>>63875590
nice rifles

>>63876235
they're both good

>>63870520 (OP)
What’s a good brand?

>>63876257
Thanks man

>>63876360
WBP, WASR made by Cugir, Zastava if you like them heavy and weird

>>63876473
Thank you

>>63876360

>>63870577
lgbt trash

>>63878717
pretty

>>63875874
They are retained by the fsb and a shoulder on the barrel.

bump

>>63874011
is this some bizarre Finn hmg trainer?

>>63883080
Yes. 7.62 blanks are cheaper and safer for up close use when doing exercises

>>63880155
checked and THANKS :)

>>63883222
checked

I got the Tantal mag to lock in
>at great cost

>>63884302
Aesthetic
>but what did it cost

>>63885082
This rifle has a crazy tight magwell, there was some metal filing action on the formerly-new Tantal mag.

>>63876473
>WASR made by Cugir
Is Century calling their VSKAs WASRs now?

>>63886478
I bet they would if they could. For a long time, they sold the pistol VSKA as the Draco right alongside the actual Cugir Draco. I wonder how Romarm feels about that.

>>63886518
A few years ago I remember VSKA's being sold as "CIA-contract" because apparently Century got money from a US weapons development program in order to domestically produce forgien weapons. Allegedly century was awarded with money to develop the VSKA though it wasn't selected for whatever glowniggary for obvious reasons.

>>63886518
>I wonder how Romarm feels about that.
I imagine they don't give a fuck, since that's a Century Arms designation not Cugir nor Romarm one.
>Romarm's catalog simply refers to it as Semi Automatic Pistol

>>63882319
oh jesus how horrifying. how do you hold it? if it works, it works, but wew. ugly.

Would you rather have
AESB10 or M72?
WASR10UF or M70UF?
Draco or Mini Jack?

>>63887248
AES-10B, M70UF, Draco.
>AES because adjustable length bipod
>M70 because the stock struts are "straight" when deployed
>Draco because it's a Draco. Ain't no rap songs about a Mini Jack

>>63874712

This photo is photoshopped

>>63887248
>>63887290
Want the carry handle on aesb, and cooling fins on m72. Hate the m70 optic mount, wasr is cheap, Draco cheap as fuck so easy choice

>>63887478
>Hate the m70 optic mount
What optic mount is on the underfolder
>wasr is cheap
Not anymore
>Draco cheap as fuck
What year are you from or are you just functionally retarded?

>>63887248
AES-10B
M70AB2 specifically looks cool
Draco
>bonus question: PSL or M77
M77
>>63887366
You're photoshopped.

>>63887508
>this optic mount

>still comparing prices to pre 2016 kek
yes 900 is cheaper than 1300

can get draco for $650ish from kikelantic

>>63887528
>this optic mount
Oh, yeah ew. Ok, you got me there, WASRUF then.
How was I comparing anything to pre any-year when I made zero reference to year.
I just said not anymore, and $900 is far from "cheap". Your example is more "less expensive" than "cheap". That's pedantic but I don't give a fuck.
>can get a Draco for $650ish from Scamlantic
$690 (on sale from $730) + their standard $30 shipping plus whatever fees for a transfer is closer to $750ish
>stop double spacing nigger, this isn't rebbit

>>63887598
>$730
$760 is the normal price, mea culpa

I would have picked my Beryl up today, but my drivers license is still at my old address and I was an idiot and asked if I should use my current address or the one on my card. I deserve it for trying to be honest.

Heh

>>63888521
would be cool to put on a KP9

>>63887598
Why is atlantic firearms considered a shitty company? Price gouging or something else?

>>63888521
WHAT THE

>>63888521
Actually kinda neat. This is the kind of silly stuff I want to make and mold once I find a decent resin that won't warp when hot. IDK how the clear grip/furniture anon does it.

>>63888791
tmk peoples credit card info was being stolen by their payment processor too.

>>63886453
seems like you should file/dremel down the magwell to the right size then
>but thats destructive
who cares when its a new production receiver, the alternative is destroying mags

>>63888791
Price gouging but in my opinion they are priced fairly for how much the market has changed over the last 20 years.
Some anons have reported their cards being compromised after using their site. I can't corroborate that so its hearsay. That said, my bank put a hold on my card after trying to buy something from their site once. My bank thought it was a fraudulent purchase (it wasn't). Could be unrelated, just my personal experience. I've bought other things from them without issue.
>>63889201
It was more that the position of the front trunnion made it tight, the magwell is tight but not the issue in this case.
The strange thing is all of my other mags fit fine. Tight but not so tight to prevent their insertion. Maybe Tantals have slightly different dimensions than AK-74s?

>>63889214
ah ok, so then you'd have to not just file out a bit of stamped sheet metal, but the thick part of the front trunnion? sorry i'm a vz fag so i dont remember how the inside of an ak looks
also nice plum collection

>>63889234
Bingo, so I mean I could but given the choice I went with the mag. Its not as though the mag is ruined but its condition dropped from Excellent to Good if that makes sense.
I'm really trying to find one of these colored Izzy plums but nobody will sell one to restricted states. Fuck though...

5060ti (16GB) gets here today

>>63870520 (OP)
How black is black enough to be a Draco owner?

>>63891138
i wonder, why don't you see more /g/ fags being gun autists
they both fill that same sort of appeal

>>63891138
Nice, I upgraded to a 4080 super from a 1070 earlier this year

>>63891138
oof

>>63891417
In the ops side of things it's shockingly based. Half of all of my colleagues have been military vets.
We just now had our first request from a dept head for pronouns for our email signatures, we said no can do. It was even an HR girlboss too so that's how I know our lead isn't buying their shit.
>>63891468
Retiring my 1060 today, did an outstanding job for an almost 10 year old card

>>63891342
RE8 made it okay for White people to own Dracos again anon.

>>63891417
NTA but I finally put a decent computer together back maybe around 2011/2012 and I've always played PC games but I kinda got over it once Windows 8/10/11 came around. Threadrippers needed 10, VR usually needs 10, etc. I should probably just slowly piece something better together but everything having retarded amounts of DRM, always online/live service, and the laziness of developers (nothing working, 10 months of patches) put me off. Ironically since then I've swapped my main interest from computers to guns, though I always had interest in both.

>>63891342
>>63870520 (OP)
>>63871053
I used to own a draco. Not one of those trash mini ones but a proper Cugir 12". It was fun as shit to magdump and watch the blastwave ripple the grass around me, but goddamn was it loud. It was worthless without a brace. I sold it to a fellow white man and bought an AK-V

>>63871214
How much did you pay? I just bought from the guy and paid $159

>>63892356
He's not responding to me RIP

>>63892898
He’s Japanese, the time zones are flipped, he responds to me early in the morning around 7-8am CST, give him time, lmk if he still doesn’t respond

>>63892068
this is why i use linux
you can use a distro thats as old as windows xp and yet it will run faster and more secure than 11, and it wont even take time out of your day to let it update

>>63893321
Yeah I'm using Linux too. I miss Photoshop and all the old junk I had like SketchUp. I know Wine exists, but I don't think it's perfect. Also seriously holy fuck on the old version of Ubuntu I use how the fuck did anyone install anything? I'm so used to install wizards from like 20-some years of Windows. Can't tell you how many times I've tried to install something only to get some very cryptic error and just be fucked.

is it worth it to swap to 556 or should I just stick it out with my 762 ak and hope the war in ukraine ends soon

>>63893488
AI or obscure Soviet prototype?
>you be the judge!

>>63893736
>implying AI could fathom the depths of the phenol induced fever dreams of Korobov and company

I love looking through old forums to find monstrosities. They feed my bad idea generator

>>63893680
Russian ammo is never coming back anon. Sanctions are never lifted. But keep your rifle for now unless you really really want to shoot an AK. Then yeah sell it and get a 5.56 rifle.

>>63894452
if you plan on doing this i would make the shell deflector a little steeper because the vz58 likes to shoot casings straight up

>>63894679

>>63893680
New production brass case M67 from Igman, Belom, etc. is only like 8-10 cpr more than 55gr M193 at this point. I don't think it's worth it to get rid of your 7.62 AK right now unless you just want to magdump as cheaply as possible, but in that case you should get an AR with an FRT.

Howdy yall, I found more romanian 5.45 mags in excellent condition. What's a fair, non-ripoff price for them?

>>63891468
same went from 1070ti to 7900xtx, got it for $660 during black friday, glad I upgraded for oblivion remastered

No mags fitting in my WASR. Piece of trash

>>63870520 (OP)
>You Wouldn't Download A Draco
That's where you're wrong, fucko.

>>63895956

>>63895113
don't you think at some point there's just deminishing returns

>>63895956
The hell are you trying to use? Mine eats any steel surplus mag I throw at it. Only thing it didn't agree with was a Russian 10rd polymer mag which I'm still annoyed at but it was new and polymer so I can't blame my WASR much. Might have to take a little off the sides, maybe the lug. Oh also that trash Palm mag it comes with. That thing is tight. Talk about shaving fucking polymer.

I'm late

>>63896790
Nice Mak90.
>Rotate your phone, not your pictures.

>>63896843
Photo was vertical. Keeps getting rotated on upload

>>63896947
NTA but then it's some stupid EXIF rotation bullshit; maybe your "default" camera rotation is landscape but I can't say I've ever heard of that before. EXIF data is basically the extra info tacked on. Description, camera used, aperature settings, ISO used, GPS coords, and rotation (ie. this picture should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise x amount of times when displayed). 4chan strips EXIF like a lot of sites because a lot of people all over the internet were uploading images with GPS EXIF data still attached. I remember so many comments of people saying "btw this image is at (place, state, etc)" in comments like 10 years ago when phones really started with saving gps coords to EXIF.

So who's getting one for the massive 12.9g weight savings?

>>63897270
was thinking about it

>>63896843
>>63896790
Which muzzle device do you have on the draco? I like how short it is.

>>63898570
Chefur customs "bazaar blaster" it's based on some north Korean muzzle device. Does absolutely nothing except protect threads irl. Worth it for aesthetic

>>63898618
Thanks nigga. I have a full length krink style on the 12.5 I built and it's completely negated the short barrel. Its almost 16 inches with the muzzle device.

>>63898761
Nice build. Always love Flemming style AKs

>>63896947
Crop a bit of the image off before you post it that does the trick for me

>>63899219
Different anon here, same. It's just gotten to be a habit by now for me.

.
https://www.guns.com/news/2025/06/25/prvi-partizan-zastava-problems-serbia-shuts-down-ammo-gun-exports

>>63899219
This does indeed work, thank you!

>>63899555
whyyyy

>>63900210
Serbian produced weapons allegedly ended up in Ukrainian hands which has pissed off the Russians. They're halting things until they figure out how it happened.

>>63900222
Of all the things to get upset by, from the country that made a quick buck multiple times by destabilizing regions with hordes of cheap AKs.

>>63900236
You have to remember that Serbs are the self declared national animal of the Russian Federation. The 90's left them yearning for a strong father figure

>>63899555
are zpaps gonna get fucking scalped by boomers now because of this shit
i mean good god akfags are on fucking life support at this point because nobody will stick up for us

>>63899555
I don't wanna hear a single thing about anything out of a serb mouth ever again.

>>63900291
Kosovo je Srbija
https://files.catbox.moe/04tpna.mp4

>>63900267
>akfags are on fucking life support at this point because nobody will stick up for us

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1109870266
Convince me not to

>>63900988
would if it stays around that price, wouldn't if it goes over $1400, there's nothing holding that cleaning rod in except the lower handguard and it bothers me

>>63899555
checked
How will this impact parts kits?

>>63899555
fuck, I wanted an M90.

>>63901011
I have a MISR 90 that's the same. I took it off

>>63900988
>likely an early Mak90 caught in customs when ban hit
>Money order only
If you want it, buy it. It's not a terrible price.
I wouldn't but I'm not looking for another folding Chinese AK unless it's a double folder.

>>63901084
>I have a MISR 90
My condolences

>>63901091
>tfw Labubu imported a Mak-90

>>63899208
thanks nigga

>>63901858
based

>>63901858
This happened to me at a public range once

>>63900267
I want a stripped M70 so I can put surplus wood on it, but I don't really need another 16" 7.62x39 AK at this point. Prices haven't really gone up yet, so I think the market is just waiting to see what will happen since Serbia has temporarily paused exports before.

anyone have good pics of the CSA vz58 receiver, and possibly a diagram?
i need to see the inside, specifically around the trigger group

>>63903218
Heres the diagram that I used for my reweld
https://files.catbox.moe/zstrzb.pdf

>>63903234
thank you

>>63903249
Oh I should've mentioned I have no idea which receiver that blue print is modeled off of. I found that the critical areas like holes matched up exactly with my military chunks but I think the commercial receivers differ around the contour of the bottom edge slightly. All of the internal measurements are good though.

>>63903274
i dont think it had what i needed, but i came up with an idea that works for what i need
basically i was trying to figure out the dimensions of that part that isnt milled in front of the trigger, to see how much space there was in front
out of curiousity, how did you modify the receiver to be semi only on a reweld?

>>63903290
I globbed some weld where the auto sear lever would go that way a FCG can't be inserted unless the FA bits are cut off. I drilled out the pin retainer and replaced it with an AKM rivet to keep the cosmetic look then cut the axis pins to use e-clips. After cutting the lever off you have to weld the two sears together otherwise the striker will slip off. I think I may have had to cut off one of the springs too buts its been awhile

>>63896717
I was putting them in wrong oopsies. But I'm still angry, I bought 2 that dont fit

>>63901858
>.308 SVD
That's a grail gun for me, I love me FAL but the SVD is a vibe.

>>63901091
>Ronkonkoma, NY
Goddamn this state has speedrun being toxic to guns. There used to be so much related industry here.
There was another importer/distributor in Bohemia, or East Islip, just down the road from this one, circa Y2K I was able to pick out an SAR-1 from hundreds for $300. Hindsight is a bitch.
Also, was on LIRR when a group of skinheads got on and started calling Ronkonkoma RonKIKEama, much to their amusement, which was notable because this was around the same time and not the late 1980s - honestly surprised to see legit skinheads still walking around.

>>63904199
Same, that's why I'm working so hard to make the Saiganov dream a reality.
I'm working with a professional woodworker on a better stock than this one. I'll likely sell this one actually.
We're cloning the ATI Fiberforce thumbhole stock (the black glass-filled polymer one) that came on ban-era Maadis and Mak-90s because it has the proper dimensions for a square back receiver like my Saiga.

>>63904381
ATI stock in question

Panic buy an M70, Y/N?

>>63904826
Panic buying is always for retards, unless you were on the cusp of already buying it and about to pull the trigger already, save your money.

>>63904826
Serbia may say they dindu nuffin in like a year, not worth it and unless you really really want a yugo pattern AK they are okay for what they are, I'd rather have a WASR.

>>63904826
Dont

>>63904950
>in a year
They never gave a definitive time frame. People forget that they've done this multiple times in the last few years. Usually for a few weeks/months at a time. Anytime some mosque gets blown up or somebody spray paints over license plates they declare a state of emergency and start hording weapons incase a race war breaks out.

I bought a bunch of Kalashnikov USA 9mm mags for $5 each. Where's the best place to buy a 9mm Kalashnikov and how much should I expect to pay?

>>63905216
PSA, PSA

>>63905221
The psa 9mm Ak can use these mags too?

>>63905287
no they're not interchangable

>>63896843
I like your cat.

>>63906081
Thank you nigga

I think AKs are pretty dang cool.

Anywhere currently selling AK super safeties for non-rape prices? Skoprints and Deez Nutz are both out of stock.

>>63906827
harrison gunworks

>>63906831
nvm out of stock

>>63906827
I don't know what non rape prices would be but Redacted Arms has them in stock @$140
https://redactedarmsllc.com/products/ak-platform

>>63906862
That seems to be the competitive rate because Mars Triggers sells it for $180 and Plinkify/Kono sells it for $300 (lol)

Panic buy an M85? Y/N? I was already looking at getting one next month maybe

>>63906705
good taste, i'm building one of those from a parts kit

>>63906862
how controllable is the AK with an FRT anyways
the gun's cycle rate seems slow enough that it'd jump around a lot but i'm not sure

>>63907123
love shooting mine and the build quality of it the insides are really nice but I wouldn't panic buy one, Zastava did this same thing a year or two ago for a few months does anyone remember that?

>>63907217
yes. a race war almost started because Serbs were forced to use Kosovo Liscences plates so they stopped exporting weapons in case they had to kill everybody again

>>63907149
It seems fairly controllable, but the issue for me is compatibility. Apparently the SS works best in AKM pattern receivers with FIME triggers, but the only AKM I actually own is a shitty Draco. Everything else I have is AK-100 pattern, Vepr RPK, milled Arsenal, Zastava 1.5mm, Galil ACE, etc. I feel like I should wait for the AK SS to get developed more so I can actually use it in my preferred guns.

>>63907323
>the balkans
>not killing each other
Pick one
>zero noticeable effect on already sporadic as fuck shipments of AKs
Were there more or less Zastavas imported than anybody else?

>>63907323
>Serbs were forced to use Kosovo Liscences plates

>>63907336
how far out can you hit about a man sized target with it?

>>63907421
How far do you need?

>>63907494
that depends, for most home defense it'll be fine enough but can you hit reliably out to 100 yards? 200? even more?
its an important question since a lot of FRTs are only two position, if there even is a three position one for the AR

>>63907508
AK i mean

>>63907385
in 2024 Zastava imported more AKs into America than anyone else, then Romania then Poland then Bulgaria

>>63907508
Don't have an FRT in your AK if you don't need it to be a bullet hose then?
If that requires more AKs, then get more.
I'd recommend an RPK for the FRT.
>Practical accuracy will be up to the shooter

>>63907599
So despite the possibility of a race war, we still got even more Zastava rifles? Over 13% more since 2020.
>Then why panic buy anything, was the original point
Now if the US was starting to get pissy with Serbia, I might consider it.
>But if someone needed validation to buy something because fomo then, sure panic buy away.
The only good time to buy a gun was yesterday.

>>63907696
anon, theres guns that can shoot accurate in full auto at ridiculous firing rates and theres guns that cant hit shit in full auto
i just wanna know where it stands

>>63907787
>theres guns that can shoot accurate in full auto at ridiculous firing rates and theres guns that cant hit shit in full auto
That's retarded. Are these accurate full autos AKs, as well as the inaccurate ones? Comparing say, a full auto .22, to a piston driven intermediate caliber isn't an accurate comparison.
So again, up to the shooter.
Can you put 30 rounds on target 300m out now? Then you can probably get most of them there on Super Safe as well.

>>63907830
what i'm trying to tell you is that being a bullet hose doesnt automatically make it inaccurate like you're implying
christ you could've just told me "yea i can consistently shoot it out to about x yards" or "no i havent really tried it yet" instead of typing out paragraphs that dont address my question

>>63907842
It's going to be as accurate as you are, mouth breather.
>I can shoot out to ~300m semi
>I can shoot out to ~300m super safe
Will all rounds hit, no but that's on me.
>It's a gimmick to shoot trash, stop overthinking it retard
Every $10 30 rounder you dump will get rather expensive very quick

>>63907869
who hurt you?

>>63907748
>Now if the US was starting to get pissy with Serbia, I might consider it.
In that specific circumstance they did. You even had the KFOR commander yelling at people. I'm not super worried because it was probably the bongs that did it, not the US. The bongs bought a bunch of Zastava stuff for training Ukrainians so if I had to guess they probably just sent them back home with the Ukies.

>>63906544
Is that you chicom chief?

>>63899555
>mfw i just bought one like a month ago
they also started added bayonet lugs to the m70s this year tool, very comfy for me

>>63907323
you mean the albanians nearly started a race war (again) by fucking with the serbs for no reason

>>63908391
I don't care

>>63906862
Anyone try this in an SAR-1 yet?

picked up a couple of RS Regulate mounts and a primary arms 3x prism for $400. very excited
picunrel

>>63906705
Nice pic. Heckuva shotgun

>>63907137
based

>>63909861
jej based oldfag

My Krink giving respect to nato flag
Z

>>63910297
>My Krink
Timestamped krink and hole-y nato flag or fuck off war tourist nigger

>>63910297
Based

AK chads after they buy a $2000 unconverted Saiga just to spend another $2000 on parts and conversion.

Yeah nigga all my aks foreign all my ARs from PSA

My top 4 favorite AKs.

>>63910922
I got my unconverted Saiga for $400 back in 2012 lol

>>63910297
>heres a video I downloaded from telegram

>>63907062

>>63908915

>>63905216
Glad got my kp-9 before they ran it into the ground and zenitco stuff pre Ukraine.

>>63910922
More like 1500 and doing half the rear conversion myself drunkenly with a dremel for free?

>>63912264
I should've bought one of those drop bags when they were $20

>>63913232
Yes, you should have.
But if it wasn't important at $20, why lament about it now?

>>63912264
>>63913232
>>63913995
for me, its the mp40 carry bag
https://www.sarcoinc.com/mp40-smg-carry-bag/

My piston rusts shut if I let my rifle sit for a few days and I keep having to mortar that bitch open

>>63914041
Post piston

>>63914029
That looks nice. Wonder if curved mags would fit in it. Could put a 9mm AK in it no problem or a mp5

>>63912264
>>63913995
lmao I thought it was some sort of Etsy purse or plushie.

>>63914051
it would probably be a tight fit, or you could just go with a 20 rounder
but i dont think the mp40s were meant to fit into it with a mag in

>>63914041
clean your gas tube retard

Anyone here collect random AK related stuff? For me its babymags, especially because a lot of them are borderline folkart in how homemade they are. Ive yet to find 2 surplus cut mags of tje same size. Only downside is they arent cheap because cuckstaters love them too

>>63914309
There's a guy on IG who makes 1 round mags. They don't work in your gun but they're neat and can hold 1 round securely. He also makes them with a hole for Keychain if that's your thing.

>>63914432
Fuck that crybaby faggit. He's part of tge reason bakelite is so fucking expensive because he kept chopping them up to make meme mags for retards.
>take surplus mags for $5
>cut and ruin perfectly fine 30 rounders
>charge rebbitors $30

>>63914309
>homemade
Those are factory 5 rounders though.

>>63914309
I buy Chinese mags when I see 'em cheap. I have a 40rd, 20rd, and I know one of my 20s is a cut down 30 that had its sides bent out to make the tabs the baseplate slides over. Also I have a surplus BHO mag that has some strange unexplained drilled holes. I'll post when home.

>>63914459
>why are bakelites over $100

>>63914486
>a surplus BHO mag that has some strange unexplained drilled holes
Like this?

>>63914309
I found a 5 rounder at a pawn shop once. Not sure who made it, there aren't any markings at all. It feels a lot like a ((10)) but I can't confirm. It does not feel like the Pro-Mag waffles I've handled.

>>63914570
Other side.

I like it for bench rest shooting with AKs. 5 rounds is great for grouping.

>>63914512
No, like this. Super weird. Yugo BHO mag from AoA ~1-2 years ago. I like to think has some interesting story behind it but who knows. Also the finish isn't rusted, looks more like an accidental faux case hardening which looks nice IMO; has some depth to it.

>>63914512
Before I cleaned it:

>>63914594
>>63914599
Those holes tapped and on the other side of just on one side? They're too accurate to be sand people. Weird location too.

>>63914570
That's a ((10)).
Does the follower have a 5 printed on it?

>>63914243
I meant the mag pouches not with mag in the gun while in the case.

>>63914603
Maybe at one point but not anymore. The follower looks just like those though. Thanks anon

>>63914626
I wasn't 100% on whether the black 5 rounders had the "5" on the follower.

>>63914602
The hole on the bottom is on one side only but the top is on both sides according to an old post of mine. Holes are not threaded. Any time I've brought it up no one's ever seen a Yugo or any other modified mag, AK or not, like it. It also has the regular drain hole in the spine. These added holes were very obviously done by hand after manufacture rather than in any factory machine; the edges aren't even deburred. The hole is also covered in cosmoline; the surface tension of the cosmoline shows the hole was there when it was applied before being put away in storage. I keep racking my brain wondering whether it was an attempt to connect it to another mag, but if so, why do the top holes go through the lower part of the reinforcing plate? It'd be way too close to the bottom of the receiver. I think about training mags that have loops riveted to them, but again it makes no sense. I think maybe it was a visual aid for training or it was otherwise screwed to a display, but then why do some holes go all the way through (top) and not others (bottom)?

>>63914664
I remember that thread, it was awhile ago though. See if AI can help?

>>63914664
Yeah I can't think of any reason for those holes. Doesn't make sense for any of the usual modified mags.

>>63914683
The newer google lens search might pick up on something but it has a hard time picking up on oddities on something it has a lot of sources of normal examples of something standardized like a steel ak mag. I haven't used any text based ones either but it might be able to soft/fuzzy search (if that's the right term; been far too long since I last thought of search types whether search engine or in code) to pick up on vaguely similar search terms better than regular near exact ("containing these words") or similar (google searches using synonyms) searches.

>>63914695
I like to think it has to do with some factory jig/machine setup but it's probably a lot more boring than that, lol. We all want to find that "uber rare one of one I know whut I gawt" thing and I can't say I'm any different.

AK's peaked at the 100 series and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>63914466
Yeah but these have more individuality and theres difffereing capacitiesfor a variety of factors that maje these mags historically interesting. For example none are the same length. They're all non milspec impromptu cuts of military mags and I enjoy the subtle differences in individual chooice on how various factories handled the AWB and making ban state compliant mags

>>63910580
>>63911138
I'll buy a Ukrop flag next time
my Saiga is hungry too

>>63914800
NTA but I want to add that I'm 90% sure the Chinese sometimes took old military mags and refinished them to sell off as new. I've seen dings and pitting in like new mags with zero damage to the bluing. Just a funny observation; very similar to the "Norinco" commercial refurb SKSs where IIRC there have been a couple found to have scrubbed and re-marked receivers.

>>63913963

https://royallib.com/book/monetchikov_s/istoriya_russkogo_avtomata.html

>>63915465
shouldn't you supposed to be slurping on the fine circumcized noodle of a practically Russ ally?

>>63915465
still not a timestamp

>>63914726
>Weird Serb thing possibly field modified
If it makes you feel better, there's a non-zero chance it was used as some sort of torture implement

>>63914594
Ah one of the "drain hole" mags. Neat. No idea what the reasoning behind the holes, but neat mag.

thoughts on psa akv?

>>63910297
>>63910815
>Losing a war to an alliance that didn't even join a war against one of your former client states
lol(lmao)

Liquidating a bunch of AK crap since I only have one AK now and not five. What’s a reasonable price to charge for steel combloc mags? It’s a mix of eastern euro plus a few Chinese. No I’m not gonna sort them by country.

>>63915959
If they're in decent shape and all work, I'd say $12 each is fair.
If you separate the Chinese ones assuming they're flat backs, those are $20+ each

>>63915883
>PSA

>>63915748
Wait, WTF, there's enough of them out there that they have a name? Wild; thought I'd never see another, especially when no one recognized it. Shame there's still no real info on them. Does yours have the holes at the top through both sides and the one at the bottom only on one? Also it seems the holes on yours are very similarly placed to mine. Seems they had a jig to place these holes reasonably precisely at the very least (meaning there's probably a signifigant amount of these) which further makes me question why they wouldn't deburr the holes if they had a setup for this modification.
>inb4 it was all just some silly export modification to pin these mags at x rounds (1-3rd?) or some shit and retain a blocker in the base and said theoretical buyer ended up backing out or some shit which is why we have these silly drilled mags and there's zero military reason this modification exists at all

>>63915748
Looks like AoA now sorts them and now want $35 for a "drain hole" mag. Wild. Though looking at their crate of mags in this post I can't say I see any in there anywhere so they must be relatively rare (compared to total % of current surplus Yugo BHO mags).

>>63916057
That's a pic from AoA, anon.
I did do a little more digging though, and the best explanation I came across is they are some sort of training or demonstration type mag, somewhat like the Romanian trainer mags and their welded on tab.
How it was implemented, I'm not sure of though.

>>63915748
Also upon searching for more examples I've found that apparently the Romanians had some similar fun with jigs and drill presses and this only further confuses me. God I love weird examples of surplus but fuck do I hate knowing it'll be very hard if not impossible to find information on why these exist (and knowing the real reason is probably a very boring one). Also if the burrs are on the outside of the mag, does that not mean they were drilled from the back ("interior")? Especially that lower hole where you have no way through both sides. Would that not mean these may have been drilled prior to spot welding the halves or do burrs form on the top or both sides of a hole drilled in thick sheet metal? I can't say I work with anything but thicker copper sheet, and that's very rarely and it doesn't like to form burrs when drilling.

>>63916095
You're probably right with the demonstration explanation. Odd choice for hole placement for that use IMO (I'd do 4-5 vertical, one sided or both rather than having 2 double sided holes at the top) but it makes sense.

>>63916093
Collectors can be so fucking retarded.

>>63916122
I kinda soft-collect gun as stuff if that makes sense (buy neat shit at relatively reasonable prices when availability); I don't know where I draw my line of what I consider retarded but paying $35 for an otherwise $15 mag that's rare because it has some non-deburred holes drilled in it (which, depending on its use, like if it was for demonstration, let's be honest, may be one that failed QC, lol) is definitely past it.

>>63887248
If you want just one AK to both defend your home with and have fun with at the range then the Draco is the best bet for a general purpose civilian gun. I know people like their high speed low drag "what if" min max full length rifles, but if you are just a dirt shooter who wants to expel undocumented renters from your home at 3:37 A.M. then the Draco is the most handy rapid fire high velocity flash bang dispenser that you can get. They are also reliably durable and affordable. Start with a Draco just so you have something and then go from there if you decide that you really need more AK's.

>>63916122

>>63916122
You're right, otherwise why else would I pay $60 for this grip that is 90% identical to a $5 grip?

>>63916150
FDLs were just another $12 Yugo surplus mag from Sportsmans Guide.
>Until they weren't.

>>63916200
It is a nice grip though.

>>63916203
I really wish I got one; they're just neat. Then again I know of a local guy that haunts gun auctions that buys bakes and Falcon folders and shit for way under market and I just talked to a guy who bought a fucking HK steel 30rd M4 mag for $3 from some guy who randomly had it with him for sale so if I'm patient I can get lots of I want for the price it should cost. Hell, I bought a canvas pouch of surplus 20rd M16 mags (4-5 mags IIRC?) for like $20, pouch included, and I found some like new WWII M1 carbine mags for maybe $10/ea in a local store too so I just have to put a lot of time in searching. Eventually I'll find more shit cheap, just a matter of time and additional searching for more auctions and sales.

>>63908459
Based.

>>63916229
The way she goes, anon. That's how I got this Armscor occluded sight for free, they thought it was broken because they couldn't see through it kek

>>63916255
Holy shit lol. I got a Forster Co-Ax primer press for $15 because a thrift store had no clue what it did. I (years) later paid $5 for a Forster primer press box containing, strangely, all the missing parts on mine ($35 per primer tube x2, when in stock, probably plus other shit I was missing and spares). $250 primer press IIRC. I love out of the blue deals like that, especially when the missing parts show up in another county by sheer luck for even cheaper lol.

>>63916255
>they thought it was broken because they couldn't see through it
Well yeah, because it's clearly broke.
I mean what, you're just supposed to shoot with both your eyes open? Who does that?

>>63914610
ah no most likely not then, just 9mm mags as you say

>>63915883
It’s fun for the range. You should get it anon, I love mine.

>>63916150
Sounds like somebody should buy one of those mags, find out hole diameter, make a jig, and start turning $15 mags into $30 mags for collectors.

>>63915465
>buy

>>63916967
I just might
At current 556/762 prices the cost of ammo for 2 months of weekly range trips exceeds the cost of the gun itself

>>63888791

>>63873247
I was personally gonna do the bonesteel route and might still eventually but I might just repurpose a RD AR stock combo from another gun

>>63889174
Yep, recently bought a DSA FAL from them using a Credit Card and a week later some future doctors in Chicongo tried ringing up 150 bucks of fried Chicken with it. Never give Atlantic your bank details.

>>63918441
Oh....

>>63918459

>>63870520 (OP)
Is the sam 7 any good?

>>63918965
Yeah

New thread

>>63919053
>>63919053
>>63919053

>>63870524
Should add "don't live in a commie shithole" (ironically enough) to the list.
Got an WBP Jack this winter, and will lose it within two years because parliament decided to rugpull everyone who got a mean looking semi auto since August 2023.
t. Sweden

>>63904381
Just get a Cugir PSL homie.

>>63915883
I got one and it blew up and I returned it