Thread 63870586

what's the most powerful gas in the current global military arsenal?

>>63870586 (OP)
My farts after my breakfast of greek yogurt, habanero beef jerky sticks, and lard boiled eggs

>>63870586 (OP)
ya
mudda

>>63870586 (OP)
VX

Nova Six... biochemical weapon.

>>63870586 (OP)
Known, VX. Though I have a hard time believing there hasn't been something worse cooked up we don't know about yet.

>>63870692
How does VX compare to the novichok agents? They are allegedly several times more powerful but that may just be Russian hype.

>>63870697
100% russian hype lol

I thought chemical warfare was banned

>>63870733
so what if it's banned? who's gonna enforce the penalties of using it?

>>63870737
Intergalactic observers

>>63870744
they'll get a taste of the gas too

>>63870594
Lard boiled eggs?

>>63870586 (OP)
oxysarin made with arsenic and tear can spray mixing under pressure volatility

>>63870733
Yes and as we know, once you make something illegal, people stop doing it.
Man, we should just make rape, murder and theft illegal! Why didn't we think of that?!

>>63870586 (OP)
Thunderf00t keeps telling me chemical weapons are an actual waste of time so I am going to say fuel

double cannister mix and explodes has to be tilted to keep it from leaking or worse

tear can man

>>63870914
Oh yes

>>63870594
fippy bippy

>>63870586 (OP)

Deuterium–tritium.

My SOCKS after a day at the RANGE XDXDXDXD

>>63870586 (OP)
Definitely the North Korean nerve agent Alpha-CBT/2
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1750407359628624.mp4

>>63870692
Dimethyl mercury is worse than VX because it diffuses through most types of plastic and rubber.

>>63871683
that shit is fucking scary, but impractical as a chemical weapon
>get 1 ml drop on your hand
>you will die months later after your entire nervous system breaks down
>no treatment or cure

>>63870749
Based. Mind your own fucking business, space niggers.

>>63870697
A-230 was the one that was more lethal than VX, but that one ended up being considered non-weaponizable due to instability. The rest of the known ones are of similar lethality or slightly lower lethality to VX.

>>63871683
>Around 1960, Phil Pomerantz, a man working at the Bureau of Naval Weapons, suggested that dimethylmercury be used as a fuel mix with red fuming nitric acid.
Wtf phil
>This was never done
GOOD

>>63870586 (OP)
>gift gas
a gift for u!

>>63870586 (OP)
why did the camps need industrial quantities of delousing chemicals if all the prisoners were already shaved?

>>63872772
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>63873379
>whats the point of giving them numbers
the Germans even serialized the screws on mauser bolt-action rifles

>>63870594
We're talking about money here.
Do your farts actually cause financial damage to the military or are you selling them in jars and if so at what pricepoint?

The Nanophage. At least when it will be completed.

>>63871761
You don't like the idea of dying a horrible, drawn out death after walking downwind of a missile site?

>>63875003
>organomercury containing exhaust
Imagine the bioaccumulation

>>63870586 (OP)
Wouldn't stuff like EA-3167 be more harmful than actual lethal gases? It seems to me that having your troops running around in psychosis and shooting at the hat man for over a week would be more troublesome than them just dying.

>>63870733
There are signatories, we're not one, neither are the Russians or Chinese. WW3 is gonna have lots of chemical warfare.
You think we're the good guys?

I got bit of rat problem, going to gas them with car exhaust. Any fun ideas how to use chemical warfare against the vermin?

One idea was pouring gasoline in the holes as well, either killing them with fumes or by smoke.

>>63871761
Read Ignition! by John Drury Clark. It is the book that has that quote about chlorine trifluoride. Lots of discussion about pre-1960s retardation that occured when trying to find the best rocket fuels.

>>63870692
For scientist chemistry fags, is there a chemical weapon (or theoretical one) that could achieve something like what pop culture thinks of nukes? IE salt the earth, make plants not grow, just dirt and decay and death for years or decades after the fact.

Had the theory if noooks weren't invented they'd have come up with chemical weapons infinitely worse, cobalt-nuke tier.

>>63871761
I wasn't sure if it was the one where the scientist had that witty line to "What's the best protection against X"
>'Good running shoes'

>>63882192
For the witty line see: >>63882157

>>63882192
>make plants not grow, just dirt and decay and death for years or decades after the fact.
Wouldn't heavy metals do stuff like this? I'm pretty sure there are places like this in northern China where they mine stuff with chinese safety standards.

>>63882192
One concept I've heard for a "fuck everything" weapon is wild grass that's been genetically modified so that its pollen contains botulinum toxin. It grows and spreads like regular grass but when you inhale a few grains of pollen it paralyses your respiratory system and kills you.

>>63870733
That's why you use terrorist proxies

>>63885667
Thank you.
This really putts most of my previous anxieties into perspective.
Sort of on a similar leval as the fact that there a few factors that makes HIV not transferable by mosquitos, but the majority of people never think about that until someone puts the idea in their head that it possibly could.

>>63872772
How were they going to delouse all the shoes that they were going to reuse for unspecified purposes?

>>63882157
My favorite was ozone diflouride. It's like chlorine trifluoride but it's also a high explosive. They gave up on that one because mixing it with any fuel under any conditions caused it to instantly detonate.

>>63890798
That would kill bugs.

>>63881755
New cars dont actually produce enough carbon monoxide to kill things anymore, just throw some warfarin rat poison down there, itll thin their blood and the fiberglass in the pellets will cause internal bleeding.

>>63882192
i had a small ramble about it in another thread but looking more into it, most bacterial infections that affect plants are currently way less infectious than the could be, and work way slower than they could. it's like the common cold, enough to get something sick, not enough to make them not spread it, and then it just keeps hopping. if you were to modify one sufficiently enough to be fairly target agnostic, you could probably accomplish some scary shit with it

>>63870586 (OP)
Doesn't really matter, even VX is overkill. The problem with gas lethality(ignoring protective measures) has always been actually getting the dose to enough people for that increased lethality to matter. Same thing with biological agents that are non contagious or not contagious enough. The gasses tend to behave, well like a gas, before diffusing to non lethal levels they will rise on air currents above ground levels which is the actual limit to effectiveness. Imagine the smoke from a fire for a very rough comparison. You'll get similar effects with heavier than air gasses as they become limited by geography. It's been this way since the advent of the V series agents.

>>63872772
>>63873379

The camps instantly killed most arrivals and only gave numbers to those chosen for slave labor.

> According to Polish historian Franciszek Piper, of the 1,095,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz, around 205,000 were registered in the camp and given serial numbers; 25,000 were sent to other camps; and 865,000 were murdered soon after arrival.[210] Adding non-Jewish victims gives a figure of 900,000 who were murdered without being registered.[211]

>>63870586 (OP)
zyklon B is a safer, less poisonous version of DDT.

>>63890984
AFAIK all the V and G seriees agents are fairly heavy aerosols

>>63891081
prove it. wheres the bone layer? cremated bodies still have to have the bones crushed

>>63890984
> rise on air currents above ground levels
Nonsense, the g trio(tabun, sarin, soman) and v-x only turn to Gas when ignited by an explosion. But they all are way heavier than air.
Henceforth a massive barrage of v1/v2 on the southeast England could stand a good chance of turning Bristol and London into a chemical equivalent of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In the final months, a good number of v2 firing units in The Hague received the extended range v2 of about 350 km. V1 range iirc also increased to just under 400km, sufficient to cover the whole southernmost England regions.
Yeah, it won’t win them the war in any way whatsoever, but that would be the biggest FU Hitler could give to Churchill

>>63891405
> a massive barrage of v1/v2
a massive barrage of tabun/sarin equipped v1/v2

>>63890984
V-x is highly persistent so they don’t vaporize that easy, they are more for area-denial purpose.
If anything, sarin is more suitable for a dynamic battlefield, but all modern militaries are well equipped against Gas attack, maybe aside from Russian army in 2025 lol.

>>63890984
VX is a liquid, not a gas.

>>63891109
Zyklon B is hydrogen cyanide. DDT is an organochloride. They're chemically unrelated.

>>63871683
>>63871761
>0.1 mL is enough to give you lethal mercury poisoning
holy hell

>>63893713
>Extremely flammable, extremely poisonous, persistent environmental pollutant
>Flash point 5 C
>Karen Wetterhahn, a professor of chemistry at Dartmouth College, died in 1997, ten months after spilling only a few drops of dimethylmercury onto her latex gloves
>highly lipophilic, it absorbs through the skin and into body fat very easily and can permeate many materials, including many plastics and rubber compounds
Yowza

this thread made me want to watch a movie

>>63872772
>>63873379
>>63873398
>>63891081
>>63891132
>be Germany
>kill 6 million jews in 6 years
>create ovens that can turn bodies into ash in about 15 minutes
>spend x60 times the fuel budget to fuel said ovens
>create torture devices of unparalleled complexity and then destroy them
>train animals to torture and kill
>create a roller-coaster like way to dispose of new arrivals
>use a pesticide that takes nearly an hour of exposure to kill a human instead of the extremely lethal chemical weapons you possess
>be Russia
>kill 10 million Ukrainians in 2 years
>just starve them lol
German autism strikes again.

>>63870586 (OP)
> gift
german is such a insidious language to begin with

>>63871761
>dimethylmercury be used as a fuel mix with red fuming nitric acid.
God damn, thats some 40K thinking right there.
>>63882157
>Read Ignition! by John Drury Clark.
Thats a great book, and unexpectedly amusing at times! The Audible version of the audiobook is good, decent narrator.

>>63895065
yes and dutch, danish and swedish. insidious peoples with the criminal etymology from dosages.

>>63870594
> No tacos

>>63895065
lol
went over my head because it's the same in my language
never thought about that

>>63870594
>Lard boiled eggs

You yucky fuck

>>63893402
Not to mention used in entirely different ways

>>63882192
>>63882157
The quote in question is regarding chlorine trifluoride, a horrible nightmarish substance that has been proposed for use as a hypergolic rocket fuel. There's some very good reasons it's never been tried.
>It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water—with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals—steel, copper, aluminum, etc.—because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride that protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminium keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.

>>63894174
to be fair to the germans, it was much harder to gas the jews since they were largely urban and moving and you had to differentiate between jew and non-jews when killing people

Meanwhile Stalin had it easy, he just locked ukrainians in their villages and sat it out, there was no logistics required at all

>>63893746
At least it doesn't form explosive peroxides on contact with air like dimethylcadmium.

>>63893842
finally got around to it
bretty good so far, like I remember it

I think they might exaggerate VX a bit tho

>>63872772
Heebs are just that disgusting

>>63898518
Fun fact - ClF3 is produced nowadays for the semiconductor industry, where it's used as a cleaning chemical for vapor deposition chambers.

>>63870733
Fortunately nobody ever breaks laws.

muh fartz