Thread 63871460

It would be a good time to invest in hesco walling in storage containers on your homestead property. They just werk for fortification if you have a family you could easily setup a secure base. Not even 50 cal would penetrate it. To get a 500sqft perimeter it wouldnt even cost more than $2500 if you have your own tractor

You'd need a tractor to fill them, and your fucking house would look a god damn military base, but it would be secure. Just have someone patrol at night with thermal binocs with a ladder at each 4 corners with a combat rifle and plenty of ammo. You could realistically get away with 3 people in the apocalypse.

Is there really any reason not to do this? Even if you live somewhere green, just use green hescos from china.

>>63871460 (OP)
What’s the point of the wire mesh on hesco if the dirt inside them is going to be its main defence?

>>63871477
Stop explosives

>>63871477
The wire supports the cloth bag from bursting or falling over when you fill it. It is a trash can and the cloth is a trash bag.

>>63871479
The wire mesh is too widely spaced to do that, most shrapnel and blast waves will hit the dirt behind the wire mesh.

>>63871482
I would imagine you could use a lot lose wire meshes to accomplish that task, maybe 3 times less wires and concentrate them on the corners and sides.

>>63871487
*less
*concentrate them on the corners edges

>>63871487
Hesco is just large open-topped sandbags with a wire fence to hold the shape.

You could just pile dirt and rocks into a berm with nothing additional.

>>63871460 (OP)
>Is there really any reason not to do this?
It’s a complete waste of money?

>>63871697
Wow, someone in the thread who isn't a retard.

>>63871460 (OP)
>Is there really any reason not to do this?

Because it's stupid. Instead of spending money on a FOB larp that'll never be useful because you won't buy it, buy the dirt, have the 12 people it'll actually take to put on on each corner for an 8 hour guard shift, the tractor, etc, invest in defensive landscaping. Makes the property look good and many won't know what it's actually for. Big rocks as anti-vehicle obstacles, raised bed planters that could be fighting positions, solar powered yard lights cameras, lawn gnomes to pack full of tannerite and roofing nails.

Picture this raised bed planter but waist high. No one is going to look at it and not think it's anything but a planter built so people don't have to bend down to weed and stuff. The wicker is repairable by the owner. Sandbags and stuff rot and need to be replaced. Now many does a person *actually* think they can buy and store? But the wicker? Grows on trees. Wicker gabions would be a good choice, filled with rocks and dirt to stop vehicles and grouped as they were, provide cover to defenders.

>>63873054
It's not entirely stupid. There's something to be said for having a wall around your property that'll stop some guy posting up 200m away and dropping you when you come out to weed the carrots. Sure, it's not gonna be ideal for everyone - there are downsides to it (if other people can't see in, you can't see out) and alternatives (pile some dirt in a mound or grow a hedge, the latter ain't bulletproof but it'll still stop a guy drawing a bead on you from a distance). For some people, in some situations I can see hescos being a reasonable option.

Niche though, I'll admit.

>>63873086
There's a difference between raised beds that can serve as fighting positions and walls that enclose an area.

>>63871460 (OP)
I once did a whole series how to do home stead home defense but looks like I didn't save the text

>>63871460 (OP)
I will fire bomb your house with chink drones

>>63873284
>Living in a flammable house
LMAO.

>>63871460 (OP)
no thanks I'd rather have IEDs buried throughout my property.

>>63871460 (OP)
these are just gabions with some type of cloth to hold in the fines. You can buy or make your own gabion for various size rocks, blocks, but some time of fabric would be need to keep the fines from washing or blowing out.

if you use hesco in the current year you WILL die
you need a well engineered strongpoint with a proper trench system and camouflage

Some inspiration from the colonial era. The walls were made of tabby, a primitive concrete made of oyster shells. I like the shape of the walls, which reminds me of star forts, and the firing ports. Obviously this should be modernized, but the inclusion of firing ports in walls might be a good idea.

>>63873238
damn, that sounds like an enjoyable read.

>>63873238
>>63883719
If you remember any of the phraseology you used, you could search the archive for it. I'd like to give it a read as well.

>>63873086
>Sandbags and stuff rot

Modern sandbags (as well as HESCO barrier fabric) are made of nylon or plastic and won't rot.

>>63873238
>>63883811
Same.

>>63871477
keeps them erect and not blobs

>>63873054
>Quicksand

>>63871483
It reinforces the bag and holds it together if it gets torn or shredded, you fucking retard.

>>63871460 (OP)
Uprising land is based for protection against car crashes in your yard. There are other methods them military but could work for 'trench' too. Take a look at this village in north west germany. "Kampen Sylt"

All the houses have those rock walls, some with a land slope inside iard and other rock wall inside too with earth in between and trees.

>>63871460 (OP)
Hesco's are good because they are fast, if you are doing in on your own property with zero chance of taking fire just make earthen mounds which will last centuries instead of hesco's that will last years.

>>63873054
>>63887215
where the fuck do you find alligators to put in your moat? & piranhas in a pond? wtf.

>>63873054
Link for this one?

>>63890038
Founf it

https://the-department.eu/projects/show/green-fortress/#img

>>63873054
this is brilliant and very neat for deterring minor home invasions (which is what I'm assuming the purpose of your picrel is) but if you're in a SHTF scenario and your house is within throwing distance of a tarmac road then you're already fucked and no amount defensive landscaping will save you

Don't forget the tower

This is all you need

I do not want to build a secured military compound in the woods. Am building a peaceful Islamic monastery and establishing a basic agricultural community. Open to the public, participating in outreach to help the poor and preach Islam, including homeless veterans. To be selfless, not selfish. Trying to make a positive change in this country.

>>63873054
A post made by someone with a brain

>>63890109
>SHTF scenario and your house is within throwing distance of a tarmac road then you're already fucked and no amount defensive landscaping will save you

In a SHTF scenario, you really need to know your neighbors, have some kind of communications, good marksmanship, and ability to block roads. If everyone, or just about everyone is forted up, the alarm gets raised, then any attacker starts getting fire from every point of the compass. In such a world, the defensive landscaping keeps the attackers from being able to rush you, sneak up on you, or recon your position easily. The Rhodesian farmers would be the example. Pic related is from some version of FM 90-10. Instead of apartment blocks, picture houses in a suburb or farms. Mutually supported strongpoints covered by interlocking fields of fire. There's more to it than that but TL;DR is a thing.

>>63890028
>alligators to put in your moat? & piranhas in a pond?
>>63887215
>Quicksand

I noticed the little jokes, but I think the rest of the info is solid.

>>63883876
You're still replacing damaged bags and need a significant number to build a defensive position. Meanwhile, a wicker raised bed is repairable with easily obtained materials, builds to any size a person wants, and looks good.

>>63890189
>literally two days after I learn of Grover
stop probing my fucking skull glowniggers

>>63883876
rots in the sun

>>63890109
You underestimate the ease of assaulting a prepared position, mate.

If you've got a good wall or fence around your property, bulletproof walls and at least 3 people you can rely on then you can confidently hold off a much larger force. No group is going to continue suicidally scaling the walls/rushing the gate after the first few people to make it into your yard get blown away.

>>63884151
Ur mom's tits could use this.

>>63890189
its been years since I thought of Groverhaus

>>63873086
Behold, the wicker man!

>>63883876
UV degradation is an issue, best to burry them, they will still rot eventually however

>>63889995
They built those to stop young bong servicemen crashing into there houses

>>63890210
>Islam
>Peaceful

you do realize this is the weapons board?

>>63871460 (OP)
>>63890141
Please tell me what this will accomplish other than making you the first target for crazies, leftist rioters, and looters
You have to be far outside of a developed area to make this a reasonable idea, and at that point, who is the fortress supposed to be for defending against? Though maybe it's not totally unreasonable if you're far enough away from a city but still want a compound. Probably cheaper than concrete.

>>63892878
Practicality has no place in /k/. We do cool shit because we are paranoid schizos and no one can stop us.

>>63892932
Yeah honestly if I had a homestead out in the middle of nowhere, I would definitely prepare it for the zombie apocalypse, Days Gone or State of Decay style. Just for fun, to enjoy the fact that this piece of the world is mine.

>>63892973
real. I'd 100% wanna build a bunker just for the fun of it if anything

>>63883602
Coquina is natural tabby cement.

>>63873054
>no lava pits
>no boulder trap
>no piranha plants
ngmi.

>>63873238
Here you go.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57745977/#57748558

>>63871697
What if I put steel bars in it and poured concrete?

>>63892932
>We do cool shit because we are paranoid schizos and no one can stop us.
This.

I built my house with a concealed stairwell from the master bedroom to the kitchen to the basement and a tunnel leading from the basement to the pool house.
Do I think it's likely that I'll need to outflank an attacking death squad? No. Of course not. But, fuck it, it didn't add that much to the constructions costs.

>>63871460 (OP)
Look at how well hesco is faring in Mali.

>>63871460 (OP)
This doesn't make sense, sand bags are cheaper.

>>63883602
Anglos are weird. Must be the island autism.

>>63876429
and you may find yourself in a flammable house,
with a flammable wife
and you may ask yourself
"well, how did I get here?"

>>63897106
>>63884016
>>63883811
>>63883719
Nice im Actually in the mood so ill rewrite repost some stuff.
so lets start with the access road. Ideally, you want one official one and one hidden one. use the official one as long it's safe and the mood in the area permits. that is also the road outsider know. some stuff cant be prevented like some inspections or contractors during building or large deliveries, machines.
The road should be still optimized but let's be real until SHTF we all are lazy. Be prepared to hide/destroy the good road!
The hidden road
Make the road look like it goes nowhere, a short dead end. its should tell 100% of the story with one glance. Boring, no mystery
The actual turn continues off at a sharp angle, tucked to the side, easy to miss unless you’re close. Or already in.
Hard to Spot, sharp entry angle means drivers have almost no time to react. Anyone trying to turn has to brake hard, that makes it unappealing for random piss stops.
Look Over There!: Put something ordinary but distracting on the other side, like a weathered “Deer Crossing” sign. Just enough to pull people’s attention away from your entrance. If there is something on the left, you won't look right. What are you going to look at the road sign that say "Springfield 5 miles" or the bushes on the other side ?
Awkward Terrain: Tilt the road a bit. People don’t like stopping on sloped ground, it feels wrong. They'll think meh, ill take the next one.
Disguised Surface, Use bark chips or grass pavers. Looks soft from far away, is solid for those who know. burrow buckets that hold water cultivate Swamp plants that signal this is a mud pit you'll get stuck. make a selection that its clean you dont want a muddy tire track leaving a bush...
Blend It In Let nature take over a little grass, dappled shadows, not too neat. Yet not pristine or complex fresh disturbances should not feel out of place like a burnout in a perfect garden

>>63900068
slopes, mud, stone, all drivable but people will take the nicer road.

the surrounding area should again should have no secrets, the hidden invites curious people. it should have a logical explanation, a cow / agriculture fence is good high quality fence are bad its should scream bare minimum.

the Moat, adjust the ditch and water flow to create a permanent wetland swamp. Wide enough to be a risky jump. i might wear my water proof army boots but i too would avoid a road goulash mud pit with trucker piss bottles. Then there should be the fence visible and old looking but in well enough shape that it looks like the only chance is to climb. reinforce it with barbed wire so small tools like a leatherman wont cut it. Behind it thorns and over grows that looks like a pain to get through for 0 reward.
Bramble Nettles poison ivy

don't make it a hard edge/gradient make it a gradual grows that implies density and distance not a single wall. From the road, you should see the whole deal and think it not worth it.

>>63897106
nice the tread where annon was explaining concrete mix strengths

>>63900146
Generally you can shape it quite well. weave plants and vines stems and branches to make a interlinked net.
again mix in barbed wire, rocks. logs to make a drive through or cut through a pain. again water management. wet lush stuff is safer against fire too

you can at this point start to mix in useful plants, anything goes even just roses for the misses and the bees. But plenty of shit has thorns and fruit. and you might not eat them but they will bring prey animals into you area that you can hunt in turn.

You want spiders, mosquitos, ticks bees, horse flies,

>>63900146
you could also use an earth berm that's high enough to block vision from a car or a pedestrian.
plant a plant like brambles on it.
it's dense and prickly so people won't want to try and climb trough but also since it is so dense even in winter it still obfuscates vision.
if you want to make it stand out less you can plant it in the berm along the road you are on. Yours would be higher bust since they also like to climb over things it wouldn't be to much out of place.
you can also forage the berries in the fall.
this might be an issue as people foraging the berries might stumble across your property

>>63900172
preplan and pant trees, they provide many things, and they are barrier for noise, light, sight, smell, they give shade fire wood s(n)eeds, fruits, habitat concealment.

Plant them in a logical year natural pattern. A row of trees can be turned into a 3m barbed wire, sturdy as fuck fence in hours.

Make a seasonal selection, use ever greens too, different hights so light and shadow can play games.

Build a habitat for bat, owls, bees, wasp, bugs, you don't want a dead monoculture forest, you want an oasis that draws in all animals.

you want all nuts


>>63900190
Yeah, that the issue with berries at the front line if they are a food source and somewhat attractive. Especially if you plan for a disaster that has strong enough impact that people might be walking by. In that case boring useless is better.

>>63900231
you could still put a ditch ect in front of them
you can still pick berries from your side but it hinders people getting to it from the outside.
even with the berries if you plant them on an earth berm that is high enough the block vision of your property it doesn't matter that much.
they move along your hedge, pick berries and don't see anything.

an other tip I would give if you are planning for shtf is to have a garden set up with chickens and rabbits for eggs and meat. It doesn't have to meet your food requirements. But you can scale it up while eating what ever food stores you have. If you have a good breeding set up you can get to over a quarter ton of rabbit meat in a year provided you have the grass/hay. But if you don't have a breeding set gl getting one in shtf.

>>63900231
Fruits nuts, berries plant god dam everything, same with trees, its cover its food its fun,

i have in my garden apples, cherries, mulberries, brambles, strawberries, plums kivies, blueberries, tomatoes, raspberries, gooseberry, and even more veggies.

Use them as noise and sight barriers, channel light and air flow. seed the wild and take little care of them if possible don't pamper them you want hardy plants that survives with deep roots not daily watering.

Over plant, under harvest. 1/3 is for the animals 1/3 is for the insects and mushrooms and composters 1/3 is for you to harvest. The cherry you don't harvest feeds the birds, and they eat insects too.

Green roofs every fucking where.

gorrila garden and plant useful stuff in the area. but its better to use stuff that not obvious, apple tree ? bad everybody can harvest that, but oaks? which city normies know you can make acorn flour or feed it to the pigs stuff like that

>>63900146
I had the weirdest dream based on this picture and this thread. I had to scale some fence that was spanning a flooded area where people were drowning and there were crocodiles so I swung on some vines like Tarzan and as I was scaling the fence there were venomous snakes at the top but I was like damn these would make some sick boots or a holster or something so I shot one and kept it. I've also been playing rdr2 lately.

>>63900275
yeah small critters are pretty good if you have some experience, grass/hey to steaks is a pretty sweat deal..

yeah a wall/hill/ incline is always very nice, nobody likes walking up a steep embankment. like wet slippery grass sucks
>>63900311
Literally ivy, just god dam Ivy up everything. its insulates, feeds the bees and thrives with neglect. BUT destroys too. so build appropriately for weight and roots. mosquito nets on windows are a must because like with a hippy whore there is a whole habitat in that bush, from mice to spiders to crabs.

grapes are fine too, but ivy is evergreen.
it looks cool and gives insane Arial cover noise and heat reduction. With drones and thermals more important than ever.
sheds and Fake rocks are your friend, no sign of civilization you be visible. Just don't pick white marble take something that is local or at least dark. green walls once again grass paver like seen here >>63900068 dont have a road have drivable grass.


Generally you want to build sturdy snow loads, vegetation, weather events, physical protection. build from either replaceable materials like wood looks or stuff that does not decay on a sensible timescale. so good metals and glass are better than polyester and glued wood.

Keep the shapes simple, a short span is easy to repair than a 15m one.

>>63900422
back to this>>63873238

in the same vein, use raided beds, food and cover that does not make you look like a nutter. That the tomato plants give good cover is just a happy accident.

you can use standard fillers but some rock/ceramics sand combos will obviously be better then wood and mulch. but good heavy ammo will penetrate quite a bit so... its good but not great.

so better to build recessd below ground than up.for hobo look go with cinder blocks. Prefabs or just sack of concrete, a good build will be better but even those other option are ok. drones etc change the with trenches situation a bit. you need more proper designs.

>>63900231
like seen here if a attack is imminent barbwire between trees

>>63900482
not much to say, hardwired and offline set-ups IR lights motion. Hidden wires to avoid tampering

>>63900487
rain water collection and wells as needed have large reservoirs for irrigation drought and fire etc. general water management is a must. Flooding snow etc. need to be dealt with
waste water too, but thats a problem fro your down hill neighbor.
Enough pressure and sprinklers are a must fire is always a great risk natural, intentional or accidental.

pro tip sprinklers work also work with gasoline :)

>>63900506
you can easily do low depth geo thermal for heating and cooling. hidden, low thermal/smoke signature. some systems are even passive like heat chimneys.

solar is very very nice but visible, so depending on the situation you need to cover it with a camo net but you do always have the risk of exposure to all fliers

>>63900422
Do you or anyone else know ways to do this in a desert climate?

>>63900519
back to the area around you chuck shed. Have a logical deception/explanation,

would you explore a mystery area that looks cool, secret? or one thats fenced in but the 20 year old sign says its a sewer filter-sand storage pit. So unless you are into poo sand there is nothing to steal there?

>>63900531
well more rocks and plants that fit the color. you can still have green roof with desert plants. Most hidden is a overground- underground house. so cut in a hill or the sides are berms

>>63900531
Generally some climate or areas with low flora are difficult they have to either be partially underground or mimic ground. Or have camouflage walls that use the local stone well and rain water can help keep it cool and green, but that makes it look like an oasis.

>>63900422
not full on hill but a about 2m high and 2 wide dirt elevation. I got the idea when I saw them on a median strip in belgium.

it's a composite barrier the plants stops people from climbing over the elevation and the elevation prevents people from just driving or forcing their way tough. Anyone that thinks they can just drive or force their way tough will also be in for a nasty surprise as bushes would hide the dirt elevation.
The elevation helps the bushes stay well watered so they are harder to burn.
you can't just cut your way trough, anyone trying to do so would silhouette themselves trying to cut the inside of the elevation.
it's also zero maintenance and cheap to put up
if you have to deal with planning permissions or the like it's also very likely to get approved since it will just be seen as a green feature

4chan won't let me post a google street view link so this shitty picture will have to do

that's it for tonight, time to cook relax and for bed.

might do energy, water, and climate/ food storage/ shopping and tool sheds soon. kinda depends on how lazy i can be at work lel

>>63900661
Good thread. I'll bump it later since I'm on the west coast.

>>63900172
>You want spiders, mosquitos, ticks bees, horse flies,
no I don't

>>63871460 (OP)
Op just missed the latest update of war. War 6.0 "Death from above"

>>63900834
Some sort of heavy net maybe? Something that could catch the explosives.

>>63901766
Just buy a few drones of your own and interdict whoever's attacking you.

>>63902322
I’d rather train some falcons.

>>63891908

It's a reasonable reason. A NATO division on the move means constant traffic of tanks, trucks and IFVs/APCs going through your village. Exercises like Reforger always had money set aside to pay Germans for damages from ruined crops and damaged walls but that's not much consolation if a Ferret armored car crashes into your house.

The RAF has to pay small claims all the time because every time a QRF scrambles westbound from RAF Coningsby they go supersonic at low level and break plant pots, smash windows or give someone's dachshund PTSD.

>>63871460 (OP)
What if you an apartment?

>>63905695
Then you should welcome death with open arms.

>>63905716
Sounds scary. I have a couple 2x4's for target stands and I was thinking if there was a happening I would bolt them to the floor and front door to barricade it. At my old place it was perfect because I was on the bottom/basement floor but it was on a hill so the windows and balcony were about 10 feet off the ground but the front door was below ground and there was a creek out back for water. The plan was I could tie a rope on the balcony and climb down to fill up a bucket with water then climb back up and raise the bucket. Now I'm too high but there is still a creek only a little further away. I guess I am fucked.

>>63905695
best option is to block the stairs.
Not at ground level or even the first floor but the second or even better the third. Getting everything out of the way is a major hassle and people don't like putting in an effort if they can't see a clear advantage from it.
Call the elevator up the level you've blocked off an physically block it by preventing it from closing. this will prevent anyone coming up the elevator shaft and also allows you to when needed take control over it and use it to move things and get past your blockage.
work on this with your fellow inhabitants so you don't just start a giant fight with all your neighbors. offer people below the blockage to move them and their stuff to a flat above it. there well be people that try to bug out, a flat that's empty, two single that could share a flat ect.
this all works best if there's only a single stairwell and elevator and a small to moderate number of people living in the building. Because it's easier to coordinate smaller numbers of people ect.

Now you can't really stay in an apartment.
You can't grow food, the water will be closed of at some point the same for electricity.
but your average urbanite has food for about half a week in their home. there's probably enough food in the shops ect. for an other half a week.
So if you can make it past a week or a month or order will be restored and congrats you survived the shtf or there's going to be a lot less people left to worry about while you try to get out.

Also get a gas bbq or at least a gas camping stove. you can have rice and beans and beans and rice for months if you can't cook it you are shit out of luck. so get some extra gas to last you can and some water bladders to last you as long as your food will.

>>63900596
So house walls you want them as thick as possible walls. Noise, thermal battery/insulation protection.
The design be simple and form follows function, slanted for rainwater collection, in the best case a green roof, or at least strong enough to hold ivy or just cut material/camo nets. Again insulation is important heat is visible hard reflective stuff too.
many things work wood rammed earth concrete ICF, Stone and brick all fine. the design should blend in and not just be a square box. use steel beams since they cant be melted by jet fuel and because you can slat in wood planks to separate rooms or to add sheltered space. Your patio can become an extra Room in a few days if you just wall it up like a retention wall. everything should be Passive don't trust a pump for drainage or air circulation build a moat. Passive low energy is better than a high-powered oven/stove. Function by material and shape is better than glues or paints, stone shingles will last 100 years, painted metal ? Plastic will UV degrade. it's ok and cheap, but glass will last forever.
A reed roof is waterproof by design and shape, not by material.
Again use grass pavers, if you stop mowing your access road will be hidden below a meadow soon.
The design should be suitable for guest and safe! Have the option of separate living area without being unfriendly, the ornamental door to the second floor just happens to be very sturdy.
Plan for removable window bars. Have an entrance you can use like an air lock. Cleaning rooms, options to live separately to quarantine.

>>63900531
not very hidden or well protected but the desert it's self offers protection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUkjbMhF18

>>63905695
a good solid and sturdy steel door and door frame

>>63900596
bottom left would be neat if it could close up like a cybertrucks bed

>>63907520
>best option is to block the stairs.
>Also get a gas bbq or at least a gas camping stove.
This anon wants you to burn to death

>>63907718
how are you going to cook your food when the power and gas gets cut of?
they cut of mine for a couple of days because of road work. So I just brought my parents gas bbq up with the elevator and cooked on that.
made lasagna, chicken provinçale and mashed potatoes with sausages.
does your bbq turn into a death trap every time you turn it on or something?

>>63907652
Earth ship are a genuinely interesting topic unfortunately like 80% of people making are pretty retarded. Or a bit to dogmatic a few modern materials and designs would make them a lot better but yeah let's use old tires and 40000 empty bottles.

>>63907680
Well from a technical standpoint its not hard. if just Go with camo material that you roll out. There is like a million pool cover systems you could use.
Or don't be poor and just slide over the real grass lid. Like any multifunction stadium.

>>63891854
wickerman is gonna get his ass run over while he's dicking the dirt, because every jackass today drives a trugg on 50" tires

>>63907616
ill continue with random topics so random topics.

So bulk food is cheap, like really, really cheap. But you need proper professional storage/ climate control. And time to celebrate ! for once there is proper use for Containers! Because they are pretty much guaranteed to be animal proof. And you can buy insulated ones with cooling rigs. You need to cool and dehydrated the air. Just like your house, you can use ground/solar chimney passive flows.


the point store a fuck load and just rotate it and use as feed or fertilizer If you don't consume it. dont buy prepper meals for insane prices. buy dry beans corn grain sugar salt in wholesale prices. it's like 500 per m^3. you can still buy cans and MREs and other stuff.

but sugar is 472.50 $/T sure that's not a balanced diet but it won't rot and with durable vitamins and basic foraging you get a lot range before you get beetus and starve. Same with salt nobody is going to complain hes got to much salt to preserve shit with. or create a salt lick to bait cute does for you harem.

>>63908043
yea, most people that like to think of them selves as free thinkers are very dogmatic and close minded. just the polar opposite of whatever they grew up with/in.
which is a shame, their earthships could work and do a lot of good. But you aren't going to get the building permits if you insist on using literal waste products.
cut apart those tires and shred the rubber, make some rubber and steel mesh "earth stabilizing thermoregulation blocks" and presto building permits. having to do that is as stupid as refusing to do that.

>>63908171
>Because they are pretty much guaranteed to be animal proof.
as show in their marketing material it's even negrus africanus americanus proof.
but more to your point. if you want to store long term for a shtf you shouldn't be trying to store things that spoil relatively fast/easily but things that will go into making it.
for instance meat spoils and rots, no one wants a freezer full of meat dying on you.
But hay and pellet feed can stay good for years.
So don't stock up on meat and other protein products that will spoil but get some critters that can turn cheap shelf stable feed into fresh protein and fat.

>>63908205
pretty much you need starters to bridge some time but sooner or later the goal has to be a rabbit pen, fishpond, chicken coop, worm farm etc. anything that turns waste or inedible stuff into food. Guinea pigs will still eat somewhat spoiled grains and in summer mostly grass. A GP sow can have five litters in a year... you cant stop them from fucking. though honestly they taste like shit I'm not sure i could deal with that. Heavy spice and processing would be needed. Chicken/eggs are god like in contrast.


an alternative use of the Grain / feed pellets is to bait, hunt/trap the animals that come for it. A good trap set up can be extremely efficient.

A good option is dog food, it last a solid while and is crack for many wild animals. so, a good investment even if you don't have a dog.


but it kinda depends on the situation local unrest ? economic crisis ? war? zombies? do want bunker down for 3 months until it blows over or did a solar storm do a hard reset and you are looking at 20 years?

>>63902322
>just have drones constantly monitoring every angle 24/7 bro

>>63908314
mine is more (semi)-retirement
my gf is studying to become a vet
I'm a lawfag and already have my own place paid off.
our idea/dream is to settle down in a more rural area where she can work with farm animals, I can do some teleworking and we can do a bit of a homesteading larp.
if you can provide for a good chunk of your own daily needs you don't need much more to live on.
we are also hunters so we could just hunt for our protein but that's pretty time inefficient since there's not much large game around in north west Europe.

As for guinea pigs, I've never had any so I couldn't comet on the taste. but if things go tit's up spices will be hard to come by. A good herb garden might help. But in my experience herbs don't mask tastes nearly as good as spices do.
I'd just go for rabbits or other critters.
one danger with rabbits is if you can't isolate them from wild populations you are going to be at risk of disease.

>>63871460 (OP)
>Hey Sarge, look at that house over there with the Hesco is that one of OPs
>Nope, hit it with Arty must be the enemy

>>63908499
You could cover it with some creeping vine to "mask" it - added benefits could be erosion prevention if the root systems are deep and expansive enough and making it more difficult to climb the walls if it's prickly

>>63908840
Now that's it's camouflaged you look even more suspiciously like an artillery target

>>63908476
i just had one of them prepared like a grilled chicken in South America. only had them as pets. Tastes very gamy fatty. Goulash or stew you be fine, in the end hunger is the best cook.

but good plan. I'm looking to rebuild an old farmstead its mostly because i like DIY and restoration and low cost / independent design. but i need a bit more money to have more freedom to master the Boomer life style.

>>63909465
she told me to get rid of my anime figs but I'm keeping the major, man has to set his limits.
for us it's as much about our finances as how we want to live our lives and how and where we'd want to raise our children. It might sound petty but between our current assets and incomes we'd be able to get a much larger home and furnish it a lot nicer than we could staying in or around a city. We don't see the point of working our asses off for 20+ years just to pay of a shitbox. When we can buy a home in a depopulating area for 50k or less and then put all the money we'd otherwise put into said shitbox into making it just as we want it. Plus it's a lot easier getting planning permission out there because the local governments are desperate for young people with kids.
that we'd be preparing for a possible shtf is a bonus on top

>>63908184
I can understand it. usually I get the impression the people are free but antagonistic and don't follow a all encompassing approach. The tires are a good example yes they are basically free and durable but also technically garbage/resource in one. The planning office is usually scared you so something dumb kill yourself or go broke and now they have to pay a expensive company to dig up your personal environmental disaster site. Because it risks burning down and poisoning the whole area.

So stuff might be annoying like rain collection laws but usually you can cheat them or they do a have reason to exist.

Like we all now poop natural degrades and you can use a composting toilet. But for the love of god if the law requires a septic tank just build one don't fight it for 15 years.


I hate that it spreads bad stereotypes, because thermal batteries and earth Aircon are amazing. Proper regional adopted design great. Terraforming Barren stuff into a green paradise is that is efficient and sustainable should be supported by everyone. Bug out bunker or not

>>63912330
Yea, I work in the bureaucracy and I can tell you it is no a smart thing to fight against it.
not because it is right but because it's very hard to change things from the outside and certainly as a random citizen.
Even when a law changes and the bureaucracy has to change with it it can take a good long while before it does. Because a bureaucracies coin is stable inertia.
If the form says you need a sewer connection or a septic tank. You need a sewer connection or a septic tank. They aren't going to change the form because you want to have "other" added to it.
because right now there's a dozen derivatives all based on that binary sewer connection or septic tank. They sure as fuck aren't going to change all those to account for your "other" just so you can use your poop as fertilizer.
their inability to work with the bureaucracy in first world countries is quite telling.
It is them showing trough their (in)action that their goal isn't to spread low cost climate neutral homes. But to spread their way of doing things come hell and high water.

>>63871477
Dirt wants to be a pile, not a square.
If you want to give the barriers extra strength and reduce the load on the mesh, don't just use random dirt, get nice compactable gravel.

>>63871460 (OP)
I always liked the style we used for those bases for the Afghans.

>>63917882
>>63919429
Agreed.

>>63917882
>>63919429
You are supposed to bump with a funny post.

>>63908333
Yeah, you could even automate it and have your own protective net and surveillance network flying around! I call it... Skynet. In all seriousness that's just about possible with civvy tech now if you throw enough money at the problem.

>>63914260
Are those concrete walls?

>>63934648
Holy based.

>>63914201
honestly just return to afghan qalat mud walls if you want vert structures. Or maybe compressed earth blocks. DG is just going to slump in time. They did a cool style on some parts of the great wall with mud+woven mats. The mats stop the tendency to return to the angle of repose and act as drip edges so the mud doesnt wash away as easy. I guess there is a discussion to be had about climate and how that effects things as well.

>>63936859
>DG
Dirt & gravel?

>>63900275
>rabbits
>>63900422
>small critters are pretty good
Slavnigger here, can confirm. Rabbits are just the right size for a nice family dinner and not that hard to care for.

My family used to keep rabbits throughout my childhood and early adulthood, until grandpa died and granny didn't feel well enough to care for them. Had to make plenty of hay in June and August to feed them during winter (the house has got a pretty large garden), but in summer we'd put them outside in a 2x2 yard cage on wheels that we shifted to a fresh patch of grass every now and then, plus they got veggie scraps and occasional grain. They poop and pee a lot so expect frequent manure sweeping, but it's good for the garden plants.
We would have a rabbit for sunday lunch on every other week, a single rabbit fed a family of six with some leftovers. Oven-roasted with garlic, forest mushrooms and onions was my favorite, also roasted them with root veggies and some bay leaf, but it's great in stews, too (try rabbit cacciatore or greek stifado). Gramps collected the pelts (you have to stretch them on a simple frame to dry), twice a year a collector would come to buy the pelts for some pocket money.
Still making hay in the summer, giving it to family friend who gives us couple rabbits in exchange.
Rabbits have a bit of an "unsung hero" status around here. During German occupation one had to report farm snimal slaughter and hand over significant part of the meat and fat. Rabbits and chicken were unregulated and easier to keep and became an important source of protein for many families under increasingly tighter food rationing. People would keep them anywhere possible, even on balconies in city houses, and cut grass from city parks, empty lots and roadside ditches to feed them. Saved plenty of folks from malnutrition.

>>63936960
decomposed granite. basically crushed up rock with specific sizes mixed together after they are screened. The sharp broken edges and fines (smallest bits) help it all lock together into a tight mass under compaction so it doesnt move. DG is a generic term we use in the SW, but its used for road base and under footings and foundations, under anything masonry really to provide a stable base. It drains water pretty freely as well and doesnt shrink and swell like a typical soil would. It basically just looks like sand or dirt, but its special engineered dirt. No organic materials to break down and create voids either.

t.I like rocks and live in arizona

fascinating thread, happy to see it still up today. My gf and I both work remotely and have been traveling the world looking for a good place to settle down, rural Slovenia or Japan are the current plan. I would absolutely love to get some acreage in either and build my own schizo bunker, really like the ones built into nature

>>63871477
have you ever interacted with the world beyond your computer

>>63940747
Solid choices New Zealand and Tasmania are on my list.i know Portugal is popular too. But its real hard to make a choice. you want stable lawful ans safe. But at the same time you want looses laws and regulation so you can build what you want, terraform and nobody can block it. in the same vein you want low cost but good services/economy/ infrastructure Schools/hospitals.

it has to regionally / politically stable for 40 years too... or at least remote like Ponta Delgada. far more viable with Starlink etc. but you depend on mail and world trade..

My dream would be an old farm with some Legal rights like water. Start basic bunker/off grid up over time

>>63943193
something like this. garden is a overgrown dump but the basic house looks ok as a start. and then build your proper home. but for that ya need so serious cash

https://st3v.idealista.pt/78/a7/82/hd_254741103.mp4

bump

>>63943193
We checked out portugal but there is just an ungodly amount of brown people there, I think the Iberian peninsula's proximity to northern Africa makes it unavoidable. In a potential shtf situation I'd imagine a LOT more would paddle over to greener pastures as well. Slovenia has a single big city where a few thirdies are concentrated but 95% of the country is lush rural regions and big, defensible mountains. I visited family there that say it's remained pretty much the same since the war and showed me some bits of aluminum taken from a crashed german plane. It's incredibly nice but also still susceptible to general fuckery from europe if anything major were to happen. The alps are a nice natural barrier to the north but people can still roll right in from Italy, Croatia, and the sea

>>63945028
hump

crawl trenches are underrated, because there's little point having hard-points which you're just going to get pinned down in.
Screening is underrated as well because it fucks up thermals, thermals are very sensitive now but as a result can't cope with diffused heat signatures, and screening provides no value to enemies who move up to it. screening also works well to conceal the edges of your hard cover.
tracked or wheeled fire ports are also underrated because they allow you to advance up to your own perimeter, so for example a driveway.

Hesco works well for stopping mortar rounds, RPG, so don't fill it with anything hard. if you cement stabilize it only spray the outer edges.

In terms of automation, a guided crows nest camera is basically a must, acoustic sensors strongly advised to generally locate shooters with the camera. They can get shot out so it's better to have them on a guy-wire

perimeter motions sensors are hard to wire so consider IR, if all you need to determine is motion/no motion, there's really no way to detect or jam IR especially during the day. and you don't necessarily need NODS because you can just synch the IR to stationary sensors.
Vehicle traps only work well on a perimeter you are patrolling to stop break-throughs, someone ramming in and reaching your own hard points before you can and catching you in the open behind your own perimeter. but you can totally put plywood and gravel over a ditch to make a fake access point. if you put a weak barrier you might bait attackers into raming it at full speed with an armoured vehicle, just to crash straight into the ditch.
similar logic, build a fake fire point, tempt attackers to try and capture it and use it as a fire base, only to get pinned down by your mobile fire port, behind something like HESCO filled with foam which offers no actual protection, or blocks which are actually just cement board glued together

Structurally you would build a star fort, though the berm might only be a meter high overall depending on the terrain. just so nobody could shoot you in the back across your own position.
Such a system could be dug in 4 hours with a small earth-mover.

Then you would establish you screening, the most obvious choice would be a wire picket fence with screening cloth zip tied or crimped onto it.and you would probably plant a tree line there to deter break-through.

personally I would build a square shed with a solid base and a removable sheet metal sides, or a fire pit. Also in place of a ravelin just plant a line of small trees with an irrigation ditch. it's really just to deter breakthrough of your main wall. And you can cement steel posts alongside the trees, which an attacker with a six ton armored car wouldn't take very seriously

The half-basion would be a good place to build a mobile fire line, because its the natural point of approach.

Does the US army ever use flamethrower mines as external perimeter defense of HESCO?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abwehrflammenwerfer_42

I can see a strong case for them, because they wouldn't throw shrapnel into your own position, would fuck up an armored vehicle, and also prematurely detonate/destroy a lot of breaching charges. Also wouldn't destroy barbed wire, or the HESCO. And if you've got the fuel anyway, there's nothing to stop you filling/reclaiming the fuel.
You could bury these in the HESCO itself if you had to, if you were on a hard surface like a runway or something.

Particularly where you had a external berm for a checkpoint or anti ramming ditch which you expected an attacker would try to set up a fire position in, or there was some kind of static structure you didn't have time to remove within your perimeter

And if you put C4 on the outside, it would give you the option to either activate the flamethrower normally or just use the gasoline to boost a landmine. if the enemy attempted to defuse it, if it didn't activate, was pointing in the wrong direction etc. your claymore has an open field of fire so is usually set up parallel, but your flame mine has a tight kill zone so like a shaped charge or barbed wire you would set it up horizontally

Nah man super fobs never work, enemy commander is just going to arty the point. Plus if we give up the first couple of objectives they'll just bleed us down on tickets. Trust me, I've got 1000 hours in squad.

>>63946706
>would fuck up an armored vehicle
"no"

>>63873054
is there a larger pic?

>>63883876
>micro plastics in your back yard
I don't want tranny chemicals in my soil though. I'd rather just get gud with masonry stone.

>>63947874
It's too late for you, they're already in your brain.

>>63947064
>https://the-department.eu/projects/show/green-fortress/#img

Someone posted the source earlier.

>>63949331
Fuck off groomer.

>>63873238
I saved all of those. It was a good read.

>>63892878
>Please tell me what this will accomplish other than making you the first target for crazies, leftist rioters, and looters
Well based on the rest of the image, provide a view over the treeline. That's helpful tactically and enjoyable day to day. That looks like a fairly remote area on top of a hill. If people found that house, are willing to attack after being shot/shot at, the fucking watching tower (or lack thereof) won't change anything.

It's not like you're the corner house in surburbia that everyone could see and make yourself a bigger target.

>>63892932
>We do cool shit because we are paranoid schizos and no one can stop us.
Preach brother

>>63890141
Is that a forest fire lookout tower?

>>63898427
That's awesome. I'm designing mine I'll build in 2-3 years and am going to do a "tunnel" in the basement from a concrete gun/safe room, behind the bathroom, into a storage area. Because why not.

Do you have any pictures you're willing to share? I always find this stuff cool to look at.

>>63900068
The grass pavers is brilliant

>>63900482
I'm curious, what are you thoughts on balancing cover for yourself vs giving attackers potential cover? Especially when it's things further away from your house or towards the edge of your property.

Like the top two pictures on the left would work because I'd assume from the house you could shoot down into those areas, while cover past it is minimal. While that trench would be great cover if you needed it and is excellent at stopping vehicles, it also gives anyone attacking you a place to group up safely and watch you.

>>63903344
Cheaper to pay some russians to get drunk and hang out in the field next to you. Drones can't resist their natural prey.

>>63907718
Do you know how many millions of people use gas grills on their apartment patios? How are you so much of a nigger you're going to burn down your own apartment with a camping stove?

>>63953915
Not him but I bet there is a way you could do it with the right geometry. I'm too drunk to think about this right now but triangles or something would probably provide the least amount of cover for them while giving you the most.

>>63953955
Checked. But anon
>I'm too drunk to think about this right now
It's a Monday night at 7:00. Take care of your health.

Anyway, that's kind of my general thought. If you have the land slope up towards your house, which I'd want anyhow for water drainage, you can take cover behind berms/rock walls/etc and still shoot at a bit of a downward angle. Then if you're at the house you're still shooting down at your cover. Not ideal but it helps mitigate things I think.

My other idea is bury sprinkler lines on the backside of your cover hooked up to a gas tank, have electric igniters by your cover, and the control switches at the house. That's not practical and I'm too cheap and lazy to actually do that.

>>63953915
>>63954030
If you're relying on berms, raised beds or other raised cover like that then you can make it harder to take full advantage of by placing stakes, razor wire or brambles on the far side. If you're using ditches or sunken fighting positions then build with a shallow slope on the near side (although ha-has are typically built the other way round for aesthetics and to keep cattle where they're supposed to be).
Neither option negates the cover but it'll help, especially if you're shooting from a house or other elevated position.

>>63953938
He might not be a nigger but it's fairly likely at least one of his neighbors is. Apartment fires are a major concern in any prolonged power cut because retards who don't usually cook with open flames start doing so in their kitchens or on tables and start using candles for light. It only takes one idiot in the building to send the whole place up in flames.
Keeping the exits clear outweighs the defensive advantages imo.

>>63943193
wouldnt a solar array like this be overkill for a house/compound of this size or is that the intended affect to then sell back to the grid?

>>63873054
a wild rosebush is basically fucking razorwire. If you need a covert barrier, there is probably nothing better. Even when they die, they remain fucking atrocious and will destroy anything that touches them. They also get to like 10 feet tall, and grow insanely fast.

If you really want a suburban perimeter, I think these are a good choice. You could have a literal wall of razorwire up within 1 or 2 years, especially if you fertilize and irrigate them.

>>63954468
>is that the intended affect to then sell back to the grid?
Most likely, could also be an element of needing to supply electric vehicles+ag equipment or to ensure steady supply through winter if he's in an area with bad weather.

>>63871460 (OP)
They already manufacture them in the UAE.

>>63954468
you Use/sell it back or have for night use battery storage etc. ru

>>63873086
Combine this with 3 to 5 foot deep "irrigation" channels, ideally made of mortared stone or roman style rubble + concrete. Add overhanging bushes/vines for concealment. You could quickly hustle around your property unseen and unheard.

>>63903344
>>63902322
>>63901766
Train crows to harass drones in exchange for roast chicken.

>>63905695
Buy a kayak with 2 weeks supplies and float down river to an ocean. Then find a better place to live while fishing.

>>63871460 (OP)
>if you have a family
Sir, this is 4chan.

>>63967870
I was thinking about getting a canoe to go fishing. The river here only leads deeper into the desert and closer to big cities. I'd rather go North if I was going to leave. I think a lot of other people would be going that way too though.

>>63907520
>block the stairs
Not much of an option here, there are four sets of stairs that I would have to block off. I know I'm fucked but I don't just want to roll over. Good call on the elevators, I wasn't sure what to do about those. I keep three weeks of water and mre's but that's just for me. There is a creek outside but getting to it, getting water, and getting it back up here would be a pain in the ass. I do have a camp stove and several spare cans of gas though. Crows hang out on my roof so I could maybe train them to fight the drones like anon said. I've got some shiny stuff they might like.

On the one hand, I'm no longer near anything that would get nuked anymore, but on the other hand it's going to be way harder to survive and my apartment is pretty suboptimal for defending. It's comfy now that the lights are on but would be a nightmare if that changes. One plus about the stairs is they echo like a motherfucker so you can hear anyone trying to sneak up. Especially if all of the ambient noise from AC units running were to go off. It gets deadly quiet then.

>>63871460 (OP)
>Spend $1000 on hesco and fill dirt
>HOA tells you to take it down
>Go larp on your own property, heathens

>>63871460 (OP)
Im going to snipe you and your buddies from your neighbors tree and take your food.

>>63972382
No, you're not. You don't even own any guns.

>>63972382
Nuh uh.

>>63883876
>>63949331
*Pshsssss* no one tell him about the current state of the ocean guys~

>>63883602
goddamn i love bastion corners

>>63883602
The important part about having a defensible homestead is said right here
>"He commands a Company of Marines, who are quarter'd in Huts near his House"
You want friends in any sort of SHTF scenario. Humans tribe up very quickly. If you have enough guns and aren't in a horribly placed area, you and a few other guys can become more of a hassle to deal with than any looter will want to risk their life over.

For realistic SHTF data, just look at rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots or Mexican farmers who have warded off cartel thugs. You aren't fighting off deathmarching sardukar who will die in the dozens to take your house.
You are going to be shooting at people who aren't used to being shot at with any real skill, accuracy or volume of fire. Once they know you aren't worth the trouble, unless they have some genuine vendetta against you they will just fuck off and/or recognize your group as another player in the local power struggle, which opens negotiations.

Unless you are prepping for actual zombie hordes or the ATF + FBI raiding your compound in full Ruby Ridge loadouts, that's what you should be preparing for.

lmao how the fuck is this thread alive after more than three weeks?
Not that I'm complaining, it's a good thread, but I don't think I've ever seen one last longer than a week

>>63988882
>lmao how the fuck is this thread alive after more than three weeks?
>Not that I'm complaining, it's a good thread, but I don't think I've ever seen one last longer than a week

Yeah, nice to see something of some quality stick around.

Are real HESCOs supported to burn like this?

>>63994052
They're plastic sacks wrapped around dirt. Of course they fucking burn.
I'm all for shitting on ziggers or kikes or whoever are responsible for that picture but keep it based in reality.

>>63994112
nta but also it depends how many cigarette butts end up in the dirt pile.

>>63994195
Or how many flammable things like old tires or BMDs are piled right next to it...

>>63988882
I'll Bump Just for that and it's actually interesting and has some good information/inspiration

Though after the image dump it has less content.

>>63986212

This actually one of the biggest parts of any preparation. Shtf Event type, Location and community define the preparation.

Pandemic Vs war Vs sun storm Vs market collapse all have different requirements and timeframes.

>>64003062
>Pandemic Vs war Vs sun storm Vs market collapse all have different requirements and timeframes.
The basics are the same the same regardless.
No matter what event you're prepping for you'll want
>Enough food/water/supplies to get by without leaving your house for a few weeks or months
>A handgun, a longarm and a good supply of ammo
>Friends, family and neighbors you can trust to have your back (or at least not turn into loot-happy apes)
>A home hardened against entry by a gang of niggers
>First aid gear and the know-how to use it
>A backpack full of gear in case your need to gtfo
Past the basics, yeah, then it gets more specific

>>63871460 (OP)
>a 500sqft perimeter

>>64010805
Cute!

>>63873054
>>63873238
>>63900482
Shit, this is good stuff. I've had similar ideas to this from a thread on here back in like 2015-2016, has always seemed like the way to go for me. Natural and concealed, and easier to live in with good morale, while still functional.

Actually, it was specifically a Hesco barrier thread, kek. On that note, here's a thought - the concept I've had with that for years is take Hesco barriers or smaller equivalents, fill them up as a barrier around the property, then layer the outside with thinner bricks or cobblestone-like walls. Not that those would be strong on their own, but just enough to be aesthetic and not totally obvious as a defensive wall. Sandwich them like that, sprinkle glass and nails into the sand at the top of the barriers for anyone trying to climb, and/or promote some sort of growth on the top. Have a second story to the house or a deer stand/"tree house" at the edge of the property for overwatch.

Is this too much cost/prep wise and/or non-durable long-term, or is it a solid idea? Mostly for the strength combined with the aesthetic. It's naturally strong and if someone tries to ram it thinking it's just a normal wall, they get a nasty surprise. Probably the cheapest way to achieve that level of barrier, though like I said, been years since I thought it up.

Things like wooden Czech Hedgehogs could also be constructed fairly quickly with a chainsaw and strong cordage and would be effective at blocking or channeling vehicle paths. Most entities wouldn't have something capable of ramming straight through these short of like a bulldozer or a real tank. Those could possibly be countered with a deep trench in front of the Hedgehogs with a bridge over top that would crumble under the weight of a tracked vehicle. Obviously it's all situational.

>>63873054
>many kinds of animals are suitable for guarding property like dogs, geese donkeys and screamers
>screamers
w-what's a screamer?

>>64012448
Hescos take up too much space for it to be viable for anyone with a small property and the expense of building/maintaining brick walls around a large property are impractical for most people.

If you're concerned about someone ramming your wall then there are simpler options - decorative boulders or a simple farm fence (with the posts backed by concreted bollards) placed a little ways in front of the wall, trenches/anti-vehicle ditches, raised planter beds built into the inner side of the wall (essentially your hesco idea on a smaller scale).

>>64015950
Ya muddah

>>64012448
>ake Hesco barriers or smaller equivalents, fill them up as a barrier around the property, then layer the outside with thinner bricks or cobblestone-like walls
At that point you can simply have gabion wall made around your property, with stones or even dry-laid bricks on the facing sides and gravel inside.

>>64015935
I don't see any hedgehog.

>>63900020
letting the days go by (chink drones burning down my house)

>>64015950
Mountain Lion. They make a scream that sounds exactly like a woman being murdered. It's eerie and uncanny.
>.t live innawoods with big and medium cats around

>>63883876
>rot
*decay
Which "modern" fabrics do as well when exposed to direct sunlight.

>>64027754
If you put a blanket or tarp over it would that keep the sun from ruining the sandbags? That way you could change out the tarps instead of the whole thing.

>>64029811
Best way to protect the struncture might just be to layer it with shredded hessian matting and dirt, and plant some ground cover

>>64030416
What if I live in an apartment?

>>64015935
One thing you might want to do is fake ram spots. Like make a point that looks weak and ram-able but is is a trap. Like block a path with a small planter on wheels that looks small and light. But have a hidden bollard behind it. Germany has roads /bridges with prepared holes where you just drop steel beams into to block it or make a checkpoint.


Best case scenario the attack force rams the immovable object and flies out the through the wind shield.

>>64015950

Horny Foxes sound great too

>>64029811
Like others said if long term cover is needed best is to seed it living plants are good for initial camouflage and some plants make good roots against erosion etc.

>>64033885
I've got a slot for a bollard behind my front gate and a couple of loops in the brick pillars either side that I can run a chain through. Probably won't withstand a bear cat but anything short of that should get fucked up.

I hate libs

So realistically, what is the best wall/fence to have around your property, in the sense that it's reasonably bullet and speeding vehicle resistant?
Bollards, like>>64020261 ? And is there anything to make it harder to climb them, ideally without the neighbors thinking you're a paranoid schizophrenic? Maybe thorny vines?

>>64048311
a high dirt elevation with thorny vines
preferably something that grows berries or has an ecstatic function like roses so you don't look like a schitzo that plants random thorny bushes in his garden

>>64048337
>random thorny bushes
I was thinking blackberries

>>63912578
Can you expound on this? I was raised to be retardedly honest and stubborn and perhaps your wisdom may help me in tactical pursuits.

>>64020261
There's a house not far from me with that sort of thing. Seems really out of place but I guess it'd probably stop small arms and maybe out of control cars. I also never noticed until I went to grab this Street View image that they worked a mountain scene into it.

>>64048311
I just now realized I wrote bollard instead of gabion. I think my brain just shorted there for a moment

>>64048568
>I was raised to be retardedly honest
No, you were not.

>>64048918
Ok?

>>63900531
>desert
Irrigated paddle cactus (opuntia) are your best friend. You can grow an impenetrable wall of them from cuttings in 5-8 years, plus you get prickly pears and nopales in season.
In more rural places, regular agricultural fencing is everywhere. A few hundred feet in a weird place, channeling motherfuckers into the killbox is not out of place.
In desert cities, look into places like Cave Creek, AZ where they have dirt road suburbs (flood, speed and temperature control by skipping this one step) and have whole neighborhoods with desert plants and combat-relevant terrain integrated together. Not sure if it was intentional for happenings, it's mostly for ecological and flooding concerns but lines up perfectly.

>>63907752
>does your bbq turn into a death trap every time you turn it on or something?
Yes if it's run in an enclosed space. Hundreds of people die every year from carbon monoxide poisoning when using their grills for indoor heat.

>>64048918
Jesus, that is some fucking autism.
Why can't an anon just let a thread die when it's time has come?

>>64048918
Good for him. I bumped this from page 10 over a month ago and I'm glad to see it still up and there are still new effortposts. Most of this board is total garbage.

>>64049765
He's doing it for a number of threads. Probably doesn't care about the actual topics at hand and just wants to play hero.

Best thread on /k/ in months, not sure how I missed it.

>>64049802
The problem with necro-bumping that goes on for weeks is that it's impossible to trust the rest of the posts as belonging to genuine conversation. The IP counter is gone. We have no idea how much of this thread is samefagging, other than general knowledge that a lot of it definitely is.

Trying to keep a thread alive should be done through actual posts, at a bare minimum. Followup threads are much healthier than artificially keeping one thread alive forever.

>>64053205
See this post? 13 hours after the last one, reinforcing that the thread is good actually, without contributing anything to it? How are we to believe that this is a real anon? That's the problem.

The thread WAS good, for a little while. Now it's being dragged down by fake engagement.

>>64051011
This is why it's likeliest that someone is just trying to be the oldest thread in the catalog or whatever.

>>64053418
You can hide the thread if you don't want to see it. Are you going to sit here and argue and complain now?

>>64053782
No I'm here to undermine your spam obviously.

>>64056088
This, so much this.

See? Anyone can do it. They don't though.

>>64031072
Perish. You live with your parents though, so all of this is purely academic.

>>64056102
That's not very nice.

>>64056106
But it's true.

>>64053782
>You can hide the thread
Everyone hid it a month ago.

>>63873238
>>63873086
>>63873054
>>63871460 (OP)
rich people shit

>>64053418
>someone is just trying to be the oldest thread in the catalog or whatever.
This is already the oldest thread.
Ghost bumping in the Fokker thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63935602/
Musket thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63941637/
Barrel length thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63966398/
3D Printing has a small number
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63957285/
Nothing in the Roulette thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63896072
Or the Gettysburg thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63925840/
Or the famous people thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63984274/

>>64053418
On one hand, yeah, necrobumping is shit behaviour that craps on the board and anons who do it should be beaten with a sack of doorknobs. On the other, it is nice to see a thread that isn't yet more Ukraine shit.

>>64056549
>it is nice to see a thread that isn't yet more Ukraine shit.
Right now I'm counting 8 threads related to Ukraine or modern Russia and that's including things like the Tu-160 and Su-57 threads. There weren't any big deletion waves either.
SIG P320 is a bigger topic right now.

>>64053418
>See this post? 13 hours after the last one, reinforcing that the thread is good actually, without contributing anything to it?
Sorry, psyopbro, I bumped the thread to appreciate it after spending part of two days reading the fuckin' beast. I contributed to the thread the day before >>64049633
Excuse me for playing into some engagement narrative running through your head.

>>64057709
Nobody said anything about a psyop, queer. Learn to read and it will take you less than two days to read a dozen posts.

>>64056651
They just say this shit regardless of how many/few ukraine threads are up.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63950896/#q63953792

>>64056421
wildly degenerate, fatherless behavior

>>64055360
You dropped this.

>>64057909
>222 post thread
>dozen posts
I'm not just sitting on /k/, trying to police others, all day, every day. Fren.

>>64058067
The dozen posts are the real, value-adding ones. You're too easily short circuited by thinking that you're under attack. I didn't insult you or call you out the first time. I insulted you the second time because you deserved it, for lashing out in retard mode with a ridiculous strawman.

Anyway, that joinery looks exploitable.

>>64056421
>Fokker thread
I haven't seen Norktard do anything as tacky as this bumping. I doubt it's him.
>Musket thread
Refuses to read a book tard thread. Makes threads asking really dumb questions about historical guns. Ignores anyone telling him off and bumps to spite them. Autistic and bitter.
>Barrel length thread
Same OP.
>Gettysburg thread
Pregannefrank thread. He's made dozens of isekai threads like this. Gettysburg and Operation Just Cause are big ones for him. He keeps them alive for too long. But no necrobumps.
>the rest of them
Look like normal threads.

>>64058067
He think there is only one of us.

>>64056651
>>64057911
It's bizarre. Do they just expect people not to discuss the biggest war in Europe since WWII, a wholesale invasion of a country by the successor of the Soviet Union, and talk about putting Hescos in your yard instead?

>>64059256
You didn't post here before the war.

>>64058308
faggot

>>64060427
there he is

>>64059256
Yes.

>>64059290
You didn't post here when the Syrian war was active. Or Iraq.

>>64043616
I like lamp

>>64060824
I came here in 2010 when the biggest event was an uprising in Kyrgyzstan. /k/ dubbed this RPG-26 armed gentleman "Jude LAW".
I missed out on the Georgian war.

>>64060828
i like turtles

>>64061223
You dropped this.

>>64058212
Those first-growth trees are nearly fireproof at that thickness.
>>64062150
I like little forts.

>>64062150
I like bags of sand rotting around my house

>>64062266
So post them.

>>64062322
ok

>>63897246
then you're wasting hesco barriers on something that didn't need them to begin with

>>64062252
you hopped this

>>64065336
You dropped this.

>>64063706
That's an outhouse

>>64062278
I like huge tracts of land

333 posts itt btw

>>64060427
>Autistic and bitter.

>>64067027
He's a clumsy boy, always dropping things.

>>64067033
>That's an outhouse
More like an uphouse

>>64053782
Threads on 4chan are meant to be ephemeral. Either you're there or you're not. Generals and prolonged bumping are consistently the worst threads on the board.

All those threads will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

>>63965256
where

>>64069841
You dropped this.

>>64067184
>no updog

>>64067041
I like Ike

>>64067184
shithouse

>>64071677
You keep the updog in the bailey, not the broch.

>>64072051
You dropped this.

>>64073960
You hate to see it.

>>64072883
>motte-made

>>64074225
based

>>64074228
cringe

>>64074194
mosquito heaven
not even really protected
mere manor house / 10

>>64071683
i like kike

>>64074225
its kind of interesting that the math players in rust use on how to make their base less raid-able is so similar to how people in middle times thought.

>honeycomb
>multiple sequential doors
>core is the most important and therefore must be the most secure
>gaps for shooting
>disconnected crafting/manufacturing buildings
>an outer wall surrounding compound
>towers for scouting/roof camping

>>63871460 (OP)
Why not just befriend your neighbours before the collapse happens?

>>64075329
>implying this faggot has a single friend

>>64074508
You dropped this.

>>64074228
Never let a woman remodel your castle.

Whoever replies to my post is a paedophile child molestor.

Whoever replies to this comment is a paedophile child molestor.

>>64076751
You dropped this.

>>64078002
This one too.

>>64075517
He can't even defend himself because it brings him closer to bump limit.

Whoever replies to this post is a paedophile child molestor.

>>64078942
You dropped this.

>>64078447
What is the bump limit on /k/ these days?
And do saged posts count against it?

>>64079655
nm the first question. Looks like it's 300.

>>64079655
>And do saged posts count against it?
Yes. Deleted posts however don't, regardless of whether the poster or a staff member deleted them.

>>64074035
What did they eat?

>>64079757
Thx bro

>>63871460 (OP)
Can’t you just chuck moltovs over these things to smoke you out?

faggot