Thread 63871510

Have we entered the era of giant fighters?

>>63871510 (OP)
>fighters
6th gens wil all be low manouverability missile trucks.

>>63871532
With smaller drones to gather targeting information and serve as decoys.

>>63871510 (OP)
No, chinks are just bad at building airframes

>weekend
>chinky starts spamming again
Grim

>>63871560
>discussing /k/ things on /k/ is spam
I hate toruists like you

>>63871510 (OP)
Depends how far away your likely enemies are

>>63871510 (OP)
J36 is not a fighter

>>63871601
>misgenders a bomber
>calls others tourists
what did he mean by this

>>63871636
>can't read
lmao, you're probably an ESL

>>63871601
>toruists

>>63871510 (OP)
>>63871532
Rumor has it that Trump forced Boeing to add a third engine to the F-47. That's why they won't show the ass end in any of the concept art.

>>63871510 (OP)
when engagements are purely BVR, maneurability is less important and capacity and endurance become more important. Fighters become airborne missile platforms and converge with bombers. Basically arsenal ships but airborne.

>>63871768
glide bombs are not bvr. standoff pgm are too few and too expensive.

>>63871510 (OP)
the j36 is a knock off of the ngad. They are so dumb.

>>63871732
>Another trump rumor

Into the trash it goes.

>>63871665
Well that's just hitting the r before the o on the keyboard and regardless a stupid thing to try and argue over.

>>63871510 (OP)
We're entering the era of low thrust to weight ratios and low wing loadings because aviation is one of the few critical industries we didn't ship over to China.

>>63871510 (OP)
>Have we entered the era of giant fighters?

No, we haven't. China has.

>>63871510 (OP)
>era of giant fighters
not before we got suborbital flight capable fighters

>>63871665
I'm a radical Toruist.

>>63871974
What's that in the top right? Looks vaguely familiar.

>>63871510 (OP)
You should see how big the F-35 really is.

>>63873070
>marines ruined the real f-35 and made it tiny

>>63872382
>low thrust to weight ratios and low wing loadings
why did the meta change to that?

>>63871510 (OP)
>we
China entered the era of giant fighters.
Other countries unironically cant afford such. It would be $500 millions plus tip on the West, unfavorable.
So only China, Kings of PPP, have luxury to order luxurious fighter.
West would be coping and swallowing a dust behind cCina with theirs 50000lbs MGTOW NGAD/FCAS etc

>>63871732
>Rumor has it that

no one on 4chan talks to people so none of you losers should EVER type out this phrase. you don't have your fucking ear to the streets.

>>63872505
Mach 10 cruise, low orbit with a booster stage and energy weapons are the new meta. Stealthy triangles and smartbombs are so '00s.

>>63871532
>low manouverability missile trucks.
I bet at 60000 feet Mach 2 J-36 would out turn anyone.
>that blended body wing area

>>63873082
Ben Dover and make the bussy wink fer me, bo.

>>63873120
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>>63873120
There's an asian femboy thread on /gif/ for that. I had no idea chinese dudes could make such great girls

>>63873063
F117 Nighthawk, first flight was 1981, you got your ufo.

>>63871510 (OP)
The F-15 is a big bitch compared to the F-16

>>63873219
Chinese males are basically women, mind and body

>>63871510 (OP)
STOP MAKING EVERYTHING SO BIG AND FAT AHHHHH

>>63871732
>Rumor
>Trump
so in other words complete bullshit

>>63871510 (OP)
>fighters
J36 is a guam bomber m8

>>63877462
Why is a "bomber" being made by CAC and not XAC?

>>63876171
>F117 Nighthawk
Can it hover in one place for an hour?

>>63871510 (OP)
>Have we entered the era of giant fighters?
J36 is not a fighter.

>>63879614
>J36 is not a fighter.
>t.

>>63879624
>massive
>tri-engine
Its a bomber. Obviously.

>>63879634
just because the B2 is a brick with 4 engines does not mean fighter configs are dictated by size

>>63879674
Its clearly and obviously a bomber. Stop with this foolishness.

The US air force thinks it is an air-to-air plattform, but ofc /k/tards know better lmao.

>>63879685
It's primary function is to give China a platform that can carry PL-17s internally, because they designed the J-20, then designed a super cool new missile that won't fucking fit in the thing.

>>63880004
To be fair the J-20 was designed around the PL-15 which is already significantly larger than the AMRAAM F-22 and F-35 carry internally.

>>63880206
Is it better to design missiles that fit in your planes or to design missiles that can't be carried by anything you have and necessitate entirely new aircraft designs?

>>63880240
You fucking retard physics is physics, obviously having longer range planes and longer range missiles than you enemy is a huge advantage and you can't just make small missiles fly fast.
Jesus fucking christ kill yourself you retard.

>>63871732
>he doesn't remember the B2 rollout ceremony in 1988 had attack dogs stationed by the rear of the plane so reporters couldn't see the rear profile of the newest stealth aircraft

>>63879685
>air combat in the year 2025 is shooting aircafst with 0.50 BMG machineguns

>The F-22: Expensive, Irrelevant and Counterproductive
>Jan 28, 2008 Pierre Sprey
>As an individual performer in real-world air-to-air combat, the F-22 is a huge disappointment. The Air Force vociferously disagrees—based on its untested-by-combat hypothesis that air wars can be fought and won by long-range, radar-controlled missiles fired at enemies you cannot see or reliably identify. If ever the F-22 finds itself in an air war against a serious opponent, all of us will find out who is right.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131029192934/http://pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/09/08.pdf
How China can even compete with American mud fighters?

>>63873196
>getting physical with someone that can elbow you in the mouth without lifting their arm

>>63871510 (OP)
Arguably, we've been there for a while. The first planes were small enough to store in a barn and they've been slowly growing ever since.

>>63871532
This.
Manned planes will be huge & fast missile trucks.
Unmanned planes will be small, light & extremely maneuverable (no 9g meatbag limiting it)

>>63884686
the whole "the pilot is limiting the G" is bullshit. Whenever we pulled even just 7-8G we had the plane down for dozens of hours of structural checks, in the extremely rare cases we pulled 9s the jet was down for months.
In modern scenarios you'll never pull that many Gs anyway. High G (70-80G) is the realm of missiles and new sidewinders

>>63871798
glide bombs are absolutely bvr?

>>63871974
Does anyone else read it as NGAGE?

>>63884854
>planes built to a 9g limit don't like exceeding 9g
No shit, you can build unmanned planes stronger and offset the increased weight by not needing a cockpit and life support.

>>63884925
>no cockpit
>no lifesupport
>no landing gear
>no radar, use radar on the ground
>no missiles, just ram into the enemy with a dumb bomb
>replace expensive jet engines with rockets
perfect.

>>63884925
>planes built to a 9g limit
fucking retard

>>63884854
Shitty US planes maybe, Eurofighter design G load is 15G. Even with the improved G suit that also squeezes the living shit out of your arms the pilot is the soft spot.
Flight control system limits sustained G to 9 cause the pilots can't handle it, instantaneous onset spike is 12G.
Could be dialed up no problem and ofc engineers can make even tougher planes.

>>63884961
The main advantage I see is being able to bleed the energy of lead intercept missiles by dragging them to a new course several times and going defensive quickly.
Right now fighters like to be about mach 1 or just under for the merge because any faster means too much G.

>>63884975
You think the F-35 is designed for 20g and they drastically reduce range and payload by over building?

>>63879986
>>63880004
>>63880790
It's a tech demonstrater for a bomber. How do we know? Three engines and it's fucking huge.

Please, for the sake of your countries honor, stop this foolishness.

>>63885003
learn what the structural limit of a jet is and how it differes from the operational limit.

>>63885028
You are talking about the engineering safety factor, because jets get pulled apart for exceeding 9g I imagine the safety factor isn't even 1.5 and is likely the 1.2 common in aerospace.

>>63885028
>>63885041
Idk what the specifics of this argument is but 1. Listed limits are not actual limits 2. Listed limits are usually to protect the airframe.

I remember watching a pilot podcast and they were talking about how the F16's used for training (the ones you qualify on) are all clapped out from exceeding tolerances.

>>63885052
Work hardening makes old airframes weaker over time and is why you end up with the A-10 fleet getting their wings replaced.

>>63885016
>Three engines
To give it the speed and altitude it needs to lob PL-17s from outside of AWACS range, since they likely couldn't get the desired performance : reliability ratio with just two.
>it's fucking huge
So it can carry the big missiles internally and have enough fuel to run sorties over the Pacific. Also because it needs space for the third engine.

>>63871636
>misgenders
Fuck off and go cry on reddit or wherever.

>>63885363
Of to reeducation for you wumao, last time it was "needed to power the electronic systems"
>needed to get off the ground on full ab

>>63886153
Bro you gotta extract that stick from your ass, it's way up there.
I'm literally saying how the third engine is there to help them cope with their shitty tech.

>>63885363
Third engine is because their engines are shit and they can't get the payload they want. Previously as >>63886153 said your shill line was that it's for lazers or some retarded shit like that.

Stop with the fucking cope. It's a bomber. It's obviously a bomber and everyone would think it's cool if you faggots were not doing this whole toxic-insecurity thing where you pretend it's something it's not instead for enjoying it for what it is.

Holy fuck. Stop.

>>63886290
>Third engine is because their engines are shit and they can't get the payload they want.
That's literally exactly what I said you illiterate retard.

>>63871510 (OP)
In general every new "generation" of combat plane is bigger than the previous one.

>>63871510 (OP)
No. We are exiting the era of independent fighters and bombers, and entering the era of hybrid fighter-bombers escorted by drones.

>>63884961
I like the way you think.