Thread 63873598

what's the idea behind these things? i cant figure out why you'd invest so much money into this

>>63873598 (OP)
while the enemy is flooded with these they launch their actual strategic strikes hoping the defenses are saturated

>>63873598 (OP)
Russia can help Iran by sending its unlimited saheed hordes to attack israel. They can easily send out 1000 perpetually every day

>>63873598 (OP)
I sure as hell trust jewish numbers. my

>Cheap
>Easy to produce
>very easy to achieve saturation with

>>63873655
Considering this is likely the only recorded hit from one, I think Israel is doing a pretty good job at taking them out.

>>63873675
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-858423
Its illegal to record missile strikes.
They only pubblish succesfull interceptions

>>63873655
>>63873695
So which Iranian general did israel kill this time?

>>63873629
only 10% even reach enemy airspace (5% of you count those destroyed on the ground). and those are just shot by helicopters

>>63873776
religion of peace is not prepared for war

>>63873598 (OP)
They're meant to be launched in droves and terrorize civilians, just look at Ukraine

>>63873787
why did they start it then

>>63873776
you're right, we should stop this silly 'drone warfare' business and return to tank columns, dronez is solved, deploy the VDV

>>63873797
these arent drones tho theyre cruise missiles. very slow and unreliable ones at that

>>63873598 (OP)
>send $50k drone
>enemy shoots $500k missile to destroy it
>repeat 9001 times
>enemy runs out of money
financial attrition is super effective against jews

>>63873802
>enemy runs out of money
another trillion to israel, you mean

>>63873799
Even if that weren't make-believe fantasy, the fucking quadcopter that's filming flies into the golfcart and kills them. Are we at the point of cope where drones are fake

>>63873802
>enemy shoots $500k missile to destroy it
You wish.

>>63873802
we've seen this strategy before

>>63873807
its not a quadcopter its a piston engine cruise missile running on kerosene

>>63873820
The two spinning blades on either side of the camera tell us that this is a lie

>>63873837
he is talking about the shasneed obviously

>>63873598 (OP)
A nuisance weapon

>>63873837
You have totally misunderstood the post chain.

>>63873645
>Iran helps Russia set up production to bomb civilians
>Russia sells drones back to Iran to bomb other civilians
Unlimited thridy friendship.

That said, if Russia could produce 1000 of those thigns a day, Ukraine would actually be in trouble. Luckily they cannot.

>>63873802
maybe if they were paying for their ammunition

>>63873598 (OP)
>what's the idea behind these things?
They're too destructive to just ignore and just enough trouble to stop that you have to make actual effort and even dedicate units to the task.

It's mostly a harassment weapon but it works. Kind of like the concept of skirmishers applied to bomber raids.

>>63874092
>if Russia could produce 1000 of those thigns a day, Ukraine would actually be in trouble.
They're getting there.
It's maybe 300/day now and NK is sending 25k workers to help and learn and will build them domestically in the future.

>Luckily they cannot.
For now, they'll get to 1k/day within maybe six months.
Less if Norks stand up a factory to assist, which seems likely and something they're pretty good at doing quickly.

>>63873598 (OP)
It would be a good strategy to saturate the enemy and waste expensive air defense missiles to depletion. Problem is:

1) Iran doesn't have good ISR or targeting for their ballistic missiles to hit important targets when they do get through and
2) America is willing to send Israel endless amount of weapons for FREE. Their politicians have been compromised by a foreign regime so even though polling shows that the vast majority of Americans despise Israel, the money will continue

Still I'm hopeful that they can at least terrorize Tel Aviv and give them a taste of their own medicine.

>>63874141
>300 per day
Almost half that on average, but who gives a shit.
That said, Israel can bomb any launch sites with impunity, so they're going to loose most of them on the ground.

>>63873802
Oh yeah I' sure they're going to run out of money any time now

>>63874141
And where are the ramped up SPAAG production lines? These sahsneeds seem to be ideal for them while worthless for AA missiles

>>63873883
it just makes you look bad to waste time on ineffective 'weapons'

>>63874757
>wasting missiles to destroy shadmen

>>63874779
APKWS costs ~15 to 20k a pop which is far less then one of these meme cruise missiles.

>>63874787
those are AIM9
they use aim9 or cannons depending on if theyre over open terrain and dont risk hitting someone's house with cannon fire

>>63874806
USN moved to APKWS instead of cannons to ensure they could avoid sucking up any of the debris into the engine. I'm sure the jews are moving to the same for similar reasons.

>>63874814
i dont think there's such plans so far it's just been python5/aim9/cannons from f16 or apache and a handful of interceptions with lasers. the goal is to increase the laser forces and add airbourne lasers

>>63873695
Yeah I’m sure they’re hiding the billion dead soldiers that no evidence exists for

>>63873629
That’s not what happening though. Only been 1 drone strike so far and it damaged a civilian roof

>>63874847
Lasers are certainly the end goal, but I find it hard to believe that they're not cribbing the USN's homework after it spent like 9 months playing grabass with these things with the Houthis instead of spending $400k on an AIM9 in the meantime.

>>63873802
When has this worked exactly? Gaza is rubble, Hezbollah has give up, Assad is gone, Iranian attacks are a fraction of what they once were

>>63874814
they should make a side shooting gun pod to avoid debris

>>63874248
>Almost half that on average
There has been a steep increase in the last week but I was exaggerating.
>this week from Monday
>138
>402
>58
>104
>86
>272
An average of 181.6 over the last six nights.
As you say, half Iran's sneeds are dying in warehouses right now.
The most recent being stockpiles at Bandar Abbas naval base.

Russia doesn't buy them anymore though, they produce them domestically.

>>63874861
israeli MIC would need to develop some domestic 'cheap python' variant to 'crib USNs homework' and while that's possible possible there are many other solutions

last october and november there were events where israeli companies showed the MOD possible ways to overcome such threats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDUqPFjswlI

radar guided guns,/autocannons, interceptor ramming quadcopters, net shooting quadcopters,
>>63874884
where are those numbers from? from what ive seen drones that get to israel are like 1/10 that if not less i dont remember any day where we had 40 drones

>>63874496
>And where are the ramped up SPAAG production lines? These sahsneeds seem to be ideal for them while worthless for AA missiles
They are.
That Spanish Rhinemetal AHEAD factory should be coming online soon and Rhinemetal already have production of *something* in western Ukraine.
That said, Ukraine just approved four new interceptor drones, some being semi-autonomous. Performance is apparently not equal between the four options, with two being adequate and two being much better.

>>63874882
>they should make a side shooting gun pod to avoid debris
Apache guns do that anyway.

>>63874897
>where are those numbers from?
If you follow the comment chain, you'll see that I'm talking about Russian attacks on Ukraine.

I can see their value to peasant kingdoms and semi-industrialized countries. Think of them as a way to re-create a WW2-era industrial pipeline sort of weapon, just placing steel with electronics. The electronics can be sourced from the US and Europe via commercial suppliers evading sanctions, then all you need is assembly workshops to fabricate the simple airframes and put everything together — all you need is an explosives and engine suppliers, both of which are so basic anyone can set up. There you go, you’re cheap, decentralized mass-produced weapon. They need navigation, but in this case Russia can utilize GLONASS thanks to the space industry they managed to keep after the fall of the USSR — but even without that you could plug in an alternative nav module from the Mouser catalogue, all these things have been trivialized for last last 20 years or so.

Their effectiveness is very low, but it’s better than not having them as we can see in Ukraine where they’re used as penetration aids for cruise missiles.

>>63874910
my mistake i confused it with the israel numbers

>>63873721
Deputy of Quds Force who ran Iranian proxies

https://www.timesofisrael.com/irgc-palestinian-division-chief-an-architect-of-oct-7-killed-in-overnight-strike-in-iran/

>>63874930
Yeah.
I have no idea how many drones are being launched at Israel but other than Israeli Apaches shooting them over Syria, I assume western airforces continue to shoot them down over Iraq.

>>63873598 (OP)
It's literally just a cope cruise missile made by thirdies for thirdies.

>>63873802
That's a pretty foolproof plan you got there. They only way it could go wrong would be if someone developed a guided missile that cost about the same as your drone and put it into mass production...13 years ago

>>63873802
>bankrupt your enemy by making them use an interceptor that costs 10 times what your drone does when their per capita GDP is 15 times higher than yours.
Man, where did the Iranians learn so much about finance?

>>63873802
>runs out of money
Not how FIAT currency works, sweetie.

>>63874847
https://youtu.be/-M8WJdgSAXY?si=EiKusUjkShwe7VWa

>>63873645
Russia can't help Russia, the last Russian ally dependant on Russian arms supply was Assad and we saw how that worked out.

>>63875670
>just print money bro
Still relevant

>>63873655
If anything Jews would be more prone to exaggerating the impact to score sympathy points with US and Europe.

>>63873802
Sounds like a great plan as long as your opponent doesn't have a blank check from the biggest economy in the world. That would be extremely unlikely and contrived, so it's basically a foolproof plan.

>>63874141
Imagine being born in NK and then sent to russia to make shit drones. What a life

>>63873598 (OP)
>i cant figure out why you'd invest so much money into this
The average IQ in Iran is 85.

>>63873598 (OP)
>what's the idea behind these things?
1. terror weapon;
2. AA saturation weapon;

>>63873629
That doesn't make sense when the defenses that defend against real shit like ballistics are ignoring the drones

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>>63877310
does neither
0 injuries in this war yet

>>63873598 (OP)
When jets got too fast for cannon AAA during the Cold War, most countries ditched theirs and relied on AA missiles, so things like the shasneed had their short-lived niche as a low cost cope cruise missile that you can theoretically saturate enemy AD with relatively easily.
Now that everyone is woke to the drone threat and is scrambling to counter them, that window is rapidly closing.
Captcha: SKS44

>>63877438
The question was
>What's the idea?
Not
>Is this a good idea?

>>63875751
Assad collapsed way before mighty russia could RAWR and raise its eyebrow. Even USA, former hegemon of the planet, is tiptoeing and bowing in front of Russia. What could have some churkas in pick up trucks done

>>63875751
Even before that, Russia did nothing as their CSTO ally Armenia was assraped by Azerbaijan

>>63873802
but what if they bomb your drone factories, storages and anything that can produce an engine?

>>63878199
looks like you have it figured out, why didn't the IDF think of that yet?

>>63873797
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>>63873837
You're the one who started talking about FPVs out of nowhere. This thread is about Shaheds/Geran, which are indeed cope cruise missiles.

>>63874897
Israel started development on their APKWS clone in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_Advanced_Tactical_Rocket

>>63873598 (OP)
it could work VERY well in theory against an opponent without any AA and no radio jamming, or at least a huge landmass you could use to route through blind spots. it's like a very cheap cruise missile. they use it in the wrong theater because the mullahs are retarded

>>63880560
Whatever Israel is doing to counter Shaheds seems to be working so far.

>>63877425
Didn't run out if money so?
Who are you replying to?

too dangerous not to shoot down
more expensive than most things that can shoot them down

they have the range of high-tier cruise missiles and good accuracy

>trusting jews
don't do that

>>63883589
iran hasn't fired many of them at all
it's nothing like what russia has been doing

>>63883608
>Didn't run out if money so?
sure ESL