Thread 63874900

It's a 36 year old piece of crap.

>>63874900 (OP)
no. cope harder turdie

>>63874909
Hello from serbia!

>>63874900 (OP)
yes, look at b-2s avoiding the south chinese sea and now taking a giant detour through australia to reach diego garcia.

>>63874908
>36 MILF

>>63874913
when did s*rbs shoot down a B2 turdie?

Of course. If it gets close enough to a powerful enough radar it’ll be spotted. So it may be virtually invisible over Iran, it would have to plan its course carefully above Russia.

>>63874929
Didnt they get lucky and down an F117? Like a MIG 29 just happen upon it within visual distance?

Ya ofc.

>>63874929
spirits always got prowler escorts after the nighthawk was shot down. so serbs could detect and shoot down a spirt but prowler's ecw saved the spirits.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/during-operation-allied-force-serbian-air-defence-was-able-to-monitor-b-2-stealth-bombers-but-it-couldnt-shoot-one-down-still-some-personnel-believe-they-managed-to-bring-down-one-spirit/

>>63874988
>During their missions, B-2As were backed up by a SEAD group and fighter escort. Without them, a B-2 would not enter into Serbian airspace. However, the 509th BW HQ claimed that escorts were not needed, and that B-2s were fully capable of independent operations from take-off to return to home base. The support of the EA-6B Prowlers was only used because “they were available”.
nice cope

>>63874988
>we could totally shoot it but we didn't want to!

>>63875015
>During the mission launched on 14 April, B-2s attacked targets around Belgrade, escorted by a SEAD group from the 22nd EFS at Spangdahlem. The SEAD group was engaged in fierce fighting with the Serbian air defences, with a large number of SAM missiles fired during the early hours of 15 April. As well as this standard protection carried out by the other types of aviation, the B-2A had its own electronic warfare system, AN/APR-50, which was considered an effective device to enable independent operations by the bomber.
>The commander of the RV i PVO 280th ELINT Centre noted: “All facts concerning B-2 appearance we send to Operations centre. But the conditions for claiming it were very unfavourable.” Despite the lack of any evidence, some of the air defence personnel still believe that they managed to bring down one B-2 during Allied Force.
but they did shoot at it. now claiming ECM saved you is something completely different than claiming stealth.

>>63875029
>but they did shoot at it.
proofs?

>>63875034
USAF doesn't confirm such things. see further F-117 losses and how long it took to get those confirmed.

>>63875046
so no proofs. got it.

>>63874900 (OP)
>Can they be detected and shot down with today's technology?
its moving little bit below mach speed at 15km altitude.. almost all of the post-war jets can reach it, engaging with cannons shouldn't be a problem at close range

>>63874908
>It's a 36 year old piece of crap.
he's just like me frfr

>OOK OOK F117 WUNDERWAFFE DOWN OOK OOK
Every thread. I wish Serbs would fuck around so they can find out (again)

>>63875029
Serbian AD was heavy, and they mostly saved themselves by limiting emissions to 20 seconds or less. So if a B-2 was flying really close to a SAM that flipped on its search radar then it could be detected. BUT, just 20 seconds was insufficient to get a useful weapons lock so they just spammed interceptors at these rough contacts and hoped for the best. They shot around 800 interceptors and hit fuck all except for that one F-117 with its bomb bay doors open. Even though the AD survived, they were still throughly suppressed. SEAD is NOT optional.

>>63874908
it just bombed the crap out of iran, i want that old piece of shit too.

apparently not

>>63875098
>they mostly saved themselves by limiting emissions to 20 seconds or less
That was only Zoltán Dani's unit. The rest were ethnic serbchimps continuously emitting like retards, and got wiped.

>>63875101
source??

>>63875113
trump posted about it on his truth social or whatever that is

>>63875098
>loss one f-117 on day 5
>change tactics after and make sead escorts mandatory
>still loss another f-117 on day 39
>serbs got lucky, stealth still works
weird logic

>>63875097
It's all they have.

>>63874900 (OP)
Evidently not

>>63874900 (OP)
Apparently not OP. Turn on the tv (or twitter)

>>63875125
>34 days of continuous missions without incident
>Serbs manage to damage another plane
>did nothing to stop the bombing or prevent them from becoming a backwards shit hole
Next you'll try and tell me Israeli air defense is garbage because it only has a 95% intercept rate.

lol. Lmao

>>63875117
i am watching it right now, i cant believe it.

>>63874900 (OP)
Even with advance notice they couldn't do shit lmao

>>63875176
but they were still on Guam, did they used the b2s in the end?

>>63875176
>i never wanted to hit khamenei
>unlike the israelis i always was a pussy

>>63874900 (OP)
Apparently not.

>>63875209
the u.s. has more than six b-2s. osint only detected the ones leaving today because they used the air refuel track right at whiteman.

>>63875125
>1 plane shot down
>better scrap every single plane then

>>63875209
>>63875226

the ones that they made obviously public could have been a distraction- while they're watching the strike expected tomorrow, another group hits them today

>>63875241
ofc i am fucking retarded

>>63874908
This aged poorly

>>63874900 (OP)
Apparently not by Iran.

>>63875241
As a bonus, today's distraction group is tomorrow's follow-up group.

>>63874900 (OP)
Chinese probably got some data but wouldn't share that with anyone. IIRAF ADs are already degraded.

Dosent look like it

>>63875125
Low observability technology is not an on/off switch, all it does is reduce the range at which a plane can be effectively targeted by enemy ground air defense, from this information two things become immediately obvious, the plane can get close enough to hit targets while staying outside the enemy's effective range, but it's still vulnerable if it gets too close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lltMfkj1yPU&t=1075s

>>63874900 (OP)
A magical place.

>>63875125
Why do people think stealth is some sci-fi tier invisibility thing? All it does is reduces your RCS and makes it more difficult. If your bomb bay doors are open then your RCS is now essentially the same as any other non-stealth aircraft. Thus you get hit. There isn't much more to it than that. Shit happens in war. In WW2 a M8 Greyhound penetrated and destroyed a Tiger II. Using your logic, the Germans should scrap Tiger II's not because they were a colossal waste of resources but because a 37mm armoured vehicle could penetrate and destroy it. Or when a Bong Churchill 3" shot a Tiger I and jammed the turret and firing mechanism forcing the crew to bail. By your logic....

Shit happens in war. A Bong disabled an armoured car in WW2 with an umbrella, I don't think you should be arming people with umbrellas.

>>63875449
>Why do people think stealth is some sci-fi tier invisibility thing?
unless you get to play with it in some context you don't know how it handles

>>63875098
>They shot around 800 interceptors and hit fuck all except for that one F-117 with its bomb bay doors open

they hit two f117s actually. enough with the bomb bay doors cope

>>63874900 (OP)
yes

>>63874900 (OP)
No apparently

>>63875502
I thought it was three and damaging a B2?

Could the USA shoot down a B-2

>>63875798
ambush it near the airfield

Sorry Nafo, we didn't realize it was supposed to be invisible

>>63875835
Amazing the pilot managed to land that as you can see with the landing gear out

>>63875835
Add it to the pile habibi

>>63875835
lmao

>>63875835
Well, they have to try don't they

>>63875869
I wish this AI slop was at least accurate, the Iranians don't dress like that

>>63874973
>a MIG 29 just happen upon it within visual distance
Which fanfiction is this from?

>>63875869
>>63875835
Also the sizing on these pictures is way off too, I am convinced they're doing this to shitpost there is no chance anyone is falling for it

>>63874900 (OP)
With today's technology? Maybe.
With the technology of 30-60 years ago? Inshallah.

>>63875046
>see further F-117 losses and how long it took to get those confirmed.
26 years and still counting

>>63874973
All credit to them, they shot down an F117 with planning and taking advantage of US complacency. They had learned the routes the planes were taking to enter their airspace, and the U.S. wasn't bothering to change up because of total stealth supremacy. The Serbs put somebody monitoring the U.S. airbase who messaged when the planes took off and by having learned the route they knew when the planes would be over a prepositioned AA system. They flipped it on at extreme close range and fired and shot one down (not something they'd have been able to pull off without foreknowledge that the plane was nearby already).
A credible feat of making the best of what you've got, but damn they shot down one plane 26 years ago and still act like they are world champs.
Anyway, no they didn't shot down a B2 and unless there is similar fuckery and complacency with modern routes it's not like using AAA in the traditional orthodox way will work.

Fordow wasn't the Air Force's to destroy. The mission should have been given to the Navy, flying Super Hornets through a canyon lined with SAMs, in airspace defended by F-14s and fifth-generation fighters

why did kikes shut down the general happening thread?

>>63876124
cause you are an antisemite dumbass

>>63875449
>Why do people think stealth is some sci-fi tier invisibility thing?

>>63874900 (OP)
Yes but not easily. It's far more likely that the B-2 will get into JASSM range than being spotted and attacked. It gets worse if the B-2 has escorts running EW.

>>63875074
Me too

>>63875101
>>63875285
well iranian air defenses ceased to exist for a few days already

>>63875449
The Churchill was the Allied equivalent of the Tiger I, it had the same effect on German morale by a handful of Churchills. Its armor was heavier than the Tiger and the 6-pdr was fully the equal of the 88 in penetrative capabilities and destroying enemy tanks. Churchills dominated Tunisia and the ETO. A single Churchill could destroy dozens of StuGs, Panzer IIIs and IVs with the ease of a Tiger destroying Shermans and T-34s

>>63876319
so what? they wouldn't detect the bombers, they couldn't even take down the ones they probably detected, like the israeli F-15s

>>63874900 (OP)
Presumably the same plasma obfuscating modality of the hypersneedics except electro-magnetically created and reducing air drag enough to radically decrease drag (hence giant bomb load), if you follow speculative history/physics STEMcels like Joseph Farrell.

>>63875502
I hadn’t heard of more than one being downed so I won’t grant you any more because you’re probably lying. NATO flew over 10,000 strike sorties, Serbia’s defense was basically almost nothing in comparison, a one-sided smashing which resulted in Serbia surrendering. A member of the exclusive "Lost to Air Power Alone" club.

>>63874900 (OP)
easily, any competent SAM should immediately spot and shoot them down. this is why you need not invest in any future radar technology friend, buy more russian : ^)

>>63874900 (OP)
ask Iran

>>63876757
Only 1 f117 was downed.

>>63876350
>when the artist's art style is low textures

>>63876350
Is this a copy pasta or something

>>63875298
That's probably the main thing I'd think. Bring in another handful of B-2s so you can launch a quick follow up while the ones you just used are making a pit stop.

It's main drawback is how maintenance heavy it is, after all.

>>63875835
>625 likes

>>63875835
They took down an F35 SuperFighter too

>>63875912
you underestimate the capacity for arabs to believe the most unbelievably stupid shit imaginable

>>63877654
someone should post the scene of b2s being shot down from shin godzilla and see if gets any bites

watch out you're gunna crash!

does an AWACS drone fleet count as "today's" technology?

>>63875869
Wtf is going on with that tail?

>>63875869
Why does this look like it was taken on Mars?

>>63875209
B2s have active stealth they can turn on
It's usually labeled ecm. The only issues it leaves a void in radar. Radar comes in but doesn't bounce back. But then again when you see a basketball sized void it could be anything. The technology is over 50 years old. It's just Russians, Chinese can't invent and we don't put it out.

>>63875449
>Why do people think stealth is some sci-fi tier invisibility thing?
It's a cope. They know they're way behind on stealth so they come up with impossible standards to judge it by, so they can say it's pointless. It's like console war kids on /v/ going "heh, it has no games anyway" about consoles they can't afford, or bus riding morons on /o/ shitting on the Porsche 911 for having McPherson struts even though they know fuckall about suspension tuning.

>>63880531
Because it's an AI generated image you dickhead

>>63880635
I don't know anything about radar


Could you theoretically make an aircraft with a ridiculously large RCS, so the size would confuse radar operators?

>>63880719
that's what chaff is for.

>>63880719
Yeah we already do that. We are roughly 40-60 years ahead of everyone else. It's not even close.
This plane is a 60 year old design. Just think about it. This is an old plane, no one can spot. Still.
The difference between us and the Chinese and Russians is if we say we've got a 10 mega ton nuke for instance that means we've got a 10 gigaton anti matter bomb hiding away.
I think it surprises foreigners especially Asians when they realize we have literal mountains of weapons hidden and full sized cities as well. Philly for instance has giant nuclear sub facility

So whenever you guys hear we aren't making warships..
We are. We just don't broadcast when and where. We are making a shit ton of subs right now. In the next decade we will probably make 20 or so if not way more

>>63880719
Yes, good idea anon. That's that's called jamming, or electronic warfare.

>>63880719
>Could you theoretically make an aircraft with a ridiculously large RCS, so the size would confuse radar operators?
You don't even need to make the aircraft big. You can just use radar emitters to spoof the return of much larger aircraft. Read up on this funky fella.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD

>>63880791
>named MALD

>>63880791
>>63880760
y'all niggas disabled.
>spoofing radar returns
>spoofing return radar aperture
this is not possible with modern radars that use non-periodic modulation. Read on DRFM and why it is useless against any radar built in the latest 20 years or more.

>>63880719
Yes.
I remember a year or so ago chinks were shilling their latest super mega wumao America killer drone that was a small little mini drone that (allegedly) had the same radar return as a civilian airliner, (you know, just in case in a warzone you think the enemy won't expect something is up when they detect 7 civilian airliners moving at a snails pace towards your airfields).
It was retarded and got laughed at naturally, however the idea of a dirt cheap drone or missile decoy that has identical speed and radar signature to military aircraft is an obvious one and I'd be surprised if it's not already in development by multiple countries.
In fact, didn't something very similar get used by the US during Operation Fuck You Saddam to bait radars into eating a HARM?

>>63874908
>36 year old

>>63875285
Anon Israel has been flying planes from the 60s over Iran. It's too big and too mountainous and too poor to defend itself, especially after a US counter anti air campaign.

>>63880791
>MALD
Named after the reactions of air defense cuckolds, I assume.

>>63874900 (OP)
china yeah
russia maybe if their entire arsenal of wundertech (ie all 6 of them) are in the right location
everyone else maybe if their airforce is in the sky and they can visual spot it

>>63880798
>>63880837
What does that mean?

>>63874900 (OP)
Beautifully elegant classic German design, you got to love it.

>>63880963
malding = getting so mad you're balding; impotent seething

>>63880824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-141_TALD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD

>>63874900 (OP)
Possibly can be. Chinese probably have collected lots of data from this mission, but B-2 had near to 100 jets escorting and protecting them en route.

It will always be easier to develop radars to count stealth than it will be to build stealth aircraft. Even USAF says F-35 level stealth will be redundant in 10 years. They can already be detected by low wave freq radar, which will tell you the general direction and range, but not good enough to track or lock. Next gen ASEA radars with multiband freq and fine beam tuning should do the trick.

>>63881273
How, they didnt pass neat chink assets and sats would pick nothing they wouldnt from a training mission

>>63881273
Holy chink copium.

>>63874900 (OP)
Yes, but they have a very low RCS. You would have to have an aircraft with an AMRAAM/Meteor tier missile close enough to get a lock on, and this would be done visually, and your chances of being anywhere near one of these without an escort is zero.

>>63874900 (OP)

I'd guess you need multistatic and/or passive radar to do it. Don't know if anyone has air defence using that though.

>>63880824
>I'd be surprised if it's not already in development
1957 called

>>63875125
>stealth still works
stealth was literally working on the night of the intercept
even knowing its flight path ahead of time and having guns already manned, they only actually detected it when its bomb bay doors were open and even then the gunner fired on a hunch without 100% knowing that he was aiming at a F-117

they were only detected when they were right on top of them, as opposed to, you know, hundreds of kilometers away

>>63874908
Not necessarily a 'piece of crap' but like every single global nation's military hardware including F-35s, it's an antique.
it's like Jay Leno's garage collection. Something manufactured decades ago, there's only a few dozen of them existent on earth, keep it babied polished lubed out of the rain, etc.
That's what all mil hardware is today in 21st century.

of course

ir/eo
radar up close

notice how b-2s needed a fighter escort

>>63883777
they would have been sam bait (there would have also been drones ahead of the fighters that they aren't showing you)

it's just that there was no sams at all, nor fighters

>>63883781
fighter escorts fired harms

>>63883791
at what? i thought jews took out the ad

>>63883805
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/4222543/secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-and-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-of-staff-gen/
>As the strike package approached Fordow and Natanz, the U.S. protection package employed high speed suppression weapons to ensure safe passage of the strike package with fighter assets employing preemptive suppressing fires against any potential Iranian surface to air threats.

>>63874900 (OP)
yes that''s why israel bombed everything that was able to do it long before their lapdog sent the b-2s

>>63875835
based bigguys

>>63874900 (OP)
Theoretically, yes.
Practically, no.

>>63874900 (OP)
it should be possible to track B2s visually with satellites and then fire a missile at them when they are within radar range.

>>63883824
Rad

>>63874900 (OP)
people keep saying that the B2 has a radar signature of a pigeon.
I wonder why radars cannot track a pigeon flying at 1000km/h though; it shouldn't be that difficult to filter that from real pigeons.

Not really but the USAF always assumes it is fighting a US vs US (alt skin #4) mirror match not against a nation whose military peaked in 1978. That's why B-2s have penetration aids like MALDs and use SEAD if they can.

Those passive radars can detect the B-2 but it's an OTH ping that tells you a B2 is coming. The Russian one basically detects the B2 for 5 minutes over Jan Mayan then loses it again. You can't shoot it down but it does tell you the US is attacking and letting you retaliate rather than having Engels-2 explode in a 500kt smoking accident and your first indication you are under attack is your double flash detectors screaming bloody murder.

>>63884577
because you can't target a pigeon

>>63880821
>spoofing return radar aperture
>non-periodic modulation
Just stacking words together

of course. it's already been done:))))

>>63884679
radiolet

Why is the s-400 such shit? How was that thing hyped up so much and... it just gets blown the fuck out constantly. How do they cost a billion for a battery of them? Which is what, radar and 4 missiles?

>>63884577
I don't think the B22 can even reach 1000 km/h reliably. Regardless, the B-2 likes to stay at standoff range and launch cruise missiles against prepared air defense and only goes in for the MOP drop after F-35s or F-117s have knocked out most of the air defense. At these ranges the B-2 barely shows up on radar at all and easily gets lost in the background noise. You might pick up a B-2 for a few minutes only to lose it because it past within a kilometer of a nearby mountain.

>>63885298
>B22
FML

>>63874900 (OP)
yes. get close and fire IR missile
problem solved

>>63874900 (OP)
>today's technology
The only technology worth using is US and Israeli tech, so no one will shoot it down.

>>63874900 (OP)
Yeah, just follow the refueling planes.
Next question.

>>63884660
you can just fire a PL15 at the general direction of the pigeon. The onboard AESA will do the rest. The B2 has the mobility of a brick it will never be able to escape that.

>>63885245
>How do they cost a billion for a battery of them?
Russian high command needs that money for yacht maintenance, please understand

>>63885684
>just fire chinkshit at it
lol

>>63885727
it's the only proven Gen 4.5 kill in the entire world. The J10 is more battle tested and more impressive than the F22 and F35 combined. Can't argue with facts. Until they can shoot anything other than a balloon down, sit down and listen, and shut up.

>>63885773
kek

>>63885773
>this is what chink shills actually believe
lol, lmao even

>>63885684
More likely the missile won't get close enough to lock onto the B-2 and end up chasing down some random owl instead.

>>63885773
The J-10 is less battle tested than the F-16

>>63874900 (OP)
Yes, you need an F-35 loaded with Sidewinders. This is a good time to remind everyone that the B-2 was made by Northrup and the F-35 was made by Lockheed making this hypothetical scenario a pissing match between US arms manufacturers.

>>63884577
Because you’re a retard that doesn’t understand how “radar signature” works

>>63874900 (OP)
The french over-the-horizon radar "nostradamus" was able to detect and follow B2 on their way to Kosovo

>>63880784
Jamming is not about pretending to be fat, it's about screaming incoherently.

>>63887219
>stealth aircraft was detected on decametric wavelengths zOMG !
In other news, I have two devices in my head that can detect and identify nanometric electromagnetic waves

>>63885245
Congrats, you were stupid enough to fall for russian propaganda.

>>63883777
>Bombers need fire support
Welcome to basic air warfare

>>63885945
You now remember Boeing exists, and you are now displeased that you remembered Boeing exists.

>>63888376
MIC boeing and Civ boeing might as well be two entirely different companies

Why is every Stealth argument this:
>We totally saw your (insert stealth aircraft)
>But we decided not shoot it down
>You guys have an export model yet?

>>63888715
Literally no one says this

>>63874900 (OP)
Would probably have to be something that almost entirely relies on optical targeting. Your only real window for radar is the short time the bomb bays open. If you're getting whacked with effective SEAD/DEAD, one of the US's many party tricks, radar is just going to get you hit even if the B-2 flew the whole raid with it's bay open, "SHOOT ME" painted on the bottom in ceiling popcorn, and a toilet super glued to the front like a hood ornament.

Expecting purely optical missiles using things like starlight cams or some sort of super duper ultra HDR, super high res either way, to show up sooner or later with everyone moving towards stealth. Then EOCS will get a huge leap to counter and with the press of a button the only hint the plane is there is maybe a very slight wobble in some stars at night.