Thread 63876741

I have a pretty good background in physics and ballistics, but i have no idea how a non nuclear bomb penetrates 200 feet down though solid earth. How tf does it do that? Is there some sort of non nuclear explosive that is almost as powerful as nuclear bombs?

well you see, it's dense and goes fast
use your background in physics and ballistics to sort the rest

>>63876741 (OP)
They can't. Most conventional bombs have trouble destroying large bridges

>>63876741 (OP)
Its propelled by the 2 most powerful forces that have ever existed
American MIC and American tax dollars.

Most of the MOP’s weight is it’s special dense alloy casing which combined with it’s great velocity on impact has tremendous penetrative power.

>>63876770
no physical proof for the battle of stalingrad>>63876779

>>63876741 (OP)
youtube. the core is super special dense. Thicker than a tank barrel. they just math out the rest to make sure the point the dense gets compromised

>>63876741 (OP)
Sufficient mass at sufficient velocity.

>>63876741 (OP)
KE = (1/2)mv2
Make it heavy and fast.

>>63876741 (OP)
It's a 30,000 pound lawn dart with a tungsten penetrator falling at hundreds of miles an hour vs literal dirt.

>>63876741 (OP)
Now you know why Diddy had 900 bottles of lube.

>>63876741 (OP)
They very likely used multiple bombs to drill down deep enough, assuming they destroyed the facility.

this but more math and waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger

>>63876741 (OP)
reminder that the US constantly lies about how good their weapons are for a reason.

>>63876741 (OP)
Could it destroy the mount yamantau complex?

>>63876741 (OP)
>I have a pretty good background in physics and ballistics
Which is to say "none whatsoever," judging by your post.

>>63876861
so the f35 is actually good

>>63876871
Yes

>>63876793
*cough* lend-lease *cough*
Willpower is absolutely worthless with proper tools.

>>63876871
only a little

>>63876793
Well done jidf.

>>63876868
Meh. Explain why smartass

>>63876752
How much harder is steel than solid rock?

>>63876741 (OP)
Special hardened steel case, heavy as fuck, uses a rocket booster on the bottom to propel itself even deeper, and has special fuzing to allow it to detonate after it reaches the target depth.

Also it's likely we used 2 or 3 of them.

are they gonna release videos hitting it?

>>63876908
5.85

>>63876933
Shut up you anti American chink-muslim-vatnig

>>63876933
>>63876954
Why did you reply to yourself?

>>63876861
yes, they lie about how good they are, they publicly underestimate them to fool their enemies

>>63876752
Wouldn't it just bounce from random rock? Or it has drill?

>>63876933
internet blackout in iran

>>63876871
It's Tungston, which is about 9x denser than the igneous rock comprising the mountain. It's under so much pressure from the bomb falling the rock essentially liquifies.

>>63876990
>Tungsten is a very dense metal. Its density is approximately 19.3 grams per cubic centimeter

>The density of a rock varies depending on its composition and type, but generally falls within the range of 2.2 to 3.0 grams per cubic centimeter

FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT CONFIRMS ISFAHAN NOT DESTORYED
You missed

>>63877013
encore run

>>63877011
Op here. Wouldnt the huge friction cause the metal in the bomb to melt? 200 feet is a very long way down.

>>63877070
Tungsten has the highest melting point of any diamond known to man

>>63877098
How does the bomb push through bedrock tho? Does the earth melt? Does the bomb split through the earth? Fwiu earth is not very compressible so im womdering how the bomb pushes thru almost a football field of solid rock without the friction melting the bomb very quickly.

>>63877265
The rock essentially liquifies. During high energy collisions, solid materials behave much more like liquids than we might expect based on our day to day experience.

>>63876908
wrong question
1. how resistant to compression is rock against steel (higher)
2. what's the rock's melting point. (higher)
3. will the rock have reactive properties on being flash heated? (aka goes splodo due to gas forming)
that's how you figure out how much you can penetrate.
in short: rock > steel, not even close.

>>63877293
Good thing it's made of Tungsten, retard.

>>63877301
So? This is the bomb's capability to generate energy vs. the rock's capability to absorb and deflect energy.
simply put, rock beat steel. and 100 meters of rock beat tungsten.

The US knows this btw. They didn't bomb the place, they bombed the entrances and caused cave ins that are gonna take years to fix.

>>63877348
Why would I believe what you said about the U.S. strikes when you don't even know the MOP isn't made of steel. You're just freewheeling with no evidence.

>>63877070
Use your background in physics to find out the temperature at which Tungsten melts.

Long before it gets to that temperature the rock will melt and flow away, now that I think about it the molten rock might even cool it down (relatively).

In the end it's basically an unstoppable force vs immovable object type of deal, you get to find out whether your object really was immovable.

>>63877356
I was talking about penetrating steel vs penetrating rock.
oh btw
>Good thing it's made of Tungsten, retard.
>The bomb's casing is made from high-density Eglin steel alloy, engineered to survive the extreme stresses of deep penetration before detonation.[4][30][31]
And it isn't a fucking shaped charge, at the yields we are talking the bomb's material is irrelevant, only how the penetrated object reacts to flash heating matters. And some forms of stone explosively gassify, creating a sort of reactive armor. But fuck if I know how that evolves in an explosion.

Again, there's literally no way you can cut 100 meters of solid fucking composites of rock. The geolocated videos of the 3-hit MOPs in asharah or whatever is called point to the entrances.

Stupid fucking shill, give me you salary, I can do a better job than you.

>>63877370
>Use your background in physics to find out the temperature at which Tungsten melts.
>Long before it gets to that temperature the rock will melt and flow away,
Metals in average melt at like half the temperature of silicates. Tungsten is no exception. The reason is that metals transfer heat way, way faster than ceramics. Distribution of temperature is what dominates these discussions.
Which goes back to "rocks are basically reactive armor when flash heated" because rocks have such poor temperature flow they tend to gassify explossive instead of melting

t. background in physics (and materials science).

>>63876741 (OP)
It’s cause the boom is really really big and it goes really deep.

t. background in chemistry

>>63876741 (OP)
It doesn't. 60 feet of dirt I'll believe, 60m of concrete, never.
>>63876779
With anyone else, I might agree, but
>boeing

>>63876741 (OP)
Newtonian mechanics

>>63876983
America doesn't have satellites? The B2 doesn't have cameras?

>200 feet subsurface penetration
In loose/soft soil perhaps. (but that type of terrain-thickness is rare)
The bunker buster munitions are intended to destroy bunkers. Fortifications (usually buried below ground level) which have several feet or more of concrete / metallic / polymer / ceramic armor as part of their structure along with perhaps tens of feet of overlying rock and soil(s).
(They're not intended to totally destroy or penetrate thorough a large complex which has been constructed tens of feet beneath a mountain comprised of hard primarily igneous/plutonic rock)
Remember that all of the 'penetration depth' estimate specs for these weapons are based on 5000 PSI concrete, homogeneous
Any types of variation / differing materials and layers in the subsurface that the bomb is dropped into, will cause the path and trajectory of the bomb beneath the ground, to change. Deflect
Away from its intended target

>>63876962
>reply to yourself
It's called samefagging, dumbass newfag.

>>63877549
Are you actually retarded or just slow?

>>63877560
Why are you brown?

>>63876741 (OP)
It's very dense, made from strong materials, goes very fast and weighs a lot. These give it a lot of kinetic energy and deep penetration capabilities against weaker materials like rock and concrete.

>>63877563
>regurgitating zoomer memes
Back to /r/jews with your dumb ass.

>>63877573
You still haven't answered why you are brown.

>>63877584
My mom held me by the ankle and dipped me in the river Shytx

it's made of eglin steel, which has 4x the yield strength of 41xx steels while being just as dense. with enough speed, no turd world bunker is gonna be deep enough to avoid it, let alone strong enough to halt its penetrating depth and mitigate damage.

>>63877013
Tbh the name "Fordow" sounds the most like an endgame level in a tacticool level, not "Isfahan", so I am disappointed if they have to go back for round 2.

>>63877265
The bomb doesnt do the work, the delivery system does

>>63876741 (OP)
It weighs 30k pounds, the head is made of eglin steel, and it can only penetrate 150 feet of soft ground.

>>63877013
"FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT CONFIRMS ISFAHAN"
Was debunked, furthermore an news correspondent has no authority to confirm nor deny

You lost, and badly, dude.

>>63877013
>Source:

>>63876741 (OP)
My theory is the hull is made of some alien tech the US made a sketchy deal to get when they needed it. Seems quite strange they're the ONLY ones who have it. China haven't figured it out yet? Or russia? Sure you could argue they don't have as much purpose for such a bomb. But why hasn't israel ever built their own? They built their own nuke and they would love using bunker busters. Starting wars in the middle east is their trademark

>>63876741 (OP)
Teleportation bombs
It's secretly nuclear, in a way that is somehow undetectable
They paid Iran to bomb their own centrifuges, and sent bombers to fool around to maintain plausible deniability
They just keep dropping bombs on the same spot until it goes through

>>63877846
What delivery system?

>penetrates 200 feet down though solid earth
It's not solid earth, Fordow is dug into a granite mountain. Earth isn't shit compared to this. Rock like this is way harder than reinforced concrete

Those engineers *knew* this might happen one day and planned accordingly.

>>63878173
>Rock like this is way harder than reinforced concrete
not really, this type of hyperbolic lying really grinds my gears, concrete has Mohs scale of 4-5 while granite has 6-7.
besides what counters this weapon is tensile strength because it increases penetration resistance, granite is very easy to crack, it is very brittle and prone to cracking, much much easier to penetrate than reinfroced conrete

>>63876741 (OP)
Precursor warhead. Essentially you put a big shaped charge in the front and have it detonate just before it hits the ground. This splits the rock open and even clears a lot of material oit of the way making it way easier for the actual bomb to penetrate the ground.

>>63876796
yet rods from god are supposed to be bullshit according to the same people

>>63877406
define background

The unreinforced concrete forts of Belgium and Japan suffered heavy damage from large caliber shells and earthquakes.

>>63877406
I looked up for sand, granite and basalt and they all melt between 1200 and 1800°C, Tungsten melts at 3400°C. Maybe you should get a refresher in material science.

Whether the rock melts, turns to dust or vaporises the result is the same, it becomes a fluid and flows away under the extreme pressure the bomb creates, and since it's so heavy it has enough inertia to keep this going for 60m. Like steel tungsten is tough and the constant flow of liquid probably keeps it "cool" (cool meaning 2000°C which for tungsten is fine).

>>63877557
During the early Iraq war the bunker busters were found to be inadequate because Iraqi High command was hiding in extra deep bunkers, protected by many layers of rock, steel and concrete. They had to improvise a bigger bomb using artillery barrels, those worked and they were only half the weight of the MOP .

>>63876741 (OP)
1. It weighs as much as an unloaded semi truck+ trailer
2. It's a lot smaller than that and made ofuch harder material
3. The terminal velocity for the mass and shape is near mach

Beyond what everyone else said I think it some of them at least had a penetrating warhead akin to BROACH on SCALP so that it penetrates deeper. I could just be remembering wrong though and I'm way too lazy to look it up for you fucks.

>>63878323
much of the damage in the picture was from the magazine detonating

>>63876908
Steel comes from rock, so not much.

>>63877613
>My mom held me by the ankle and dipped me in the river Shytx
I thought this was an Achilles thing?

>>63879350
Yes my dear. That is the reference I was making.

>>63879360
I dunno. What does that one retarded Russian reverse oracle say? Because it’s the opposite

>>63877406
>Metals in average melt at like half the temperature of silicates.

Incorrect also the "average melt" is irrelevant

>>63879038
>Whether the rock melts, turns to dust or vaporises the result is the same, i
no. Gas expands and exerts pressure and also forms bubbles that "collapse" in liquid.
All of this proves energy to counter the explosion.

>>63879385
no, it very much matters.
If you expose the materials to extreme temperatures (say 5000°C) that will melt everything on touch including tungsten, at the molecular level the phase shift becomes dependent on your molecule's ability to transmit heat. If it isn't fast enough or if you are a fucking rock composed of multiple materials at extreme melting point ranges, shit will literally gasify and explode generating opposing force against your explosion.

Also, congratulations, you now know why single-flame furnaces are terrible heat treatment sources.

>>63876741 (OP)
Imagine not voting democrat because of the genocide in Israel.

>>63879560
Whats the shear stress resistance in MPa of granite compared to a highly tuned alloy steel and/or tungsten, my fellow wannabe genius?

Alphaphoenix's doctoral dissertation youtube vid on PbSe heteroepitaxy might have a section that'll help you understand differing materials...

>>63879594
Imagine thinking that votes matter. Every election is stolen, and the winner is chosen ahead of time.

reminder that the US was also working on a "super mop" that has rocket motors on it to increase penetration quite a bit

would not be shocked if we found out much later these were used

>>63879595
Irrelevant to the case because the primary force vector from the explosion, dropped onto the floor, is downwards thus going against Compression resistance. Shear will always be lesser. Literal junior year shitte.

But I guess I can't expect much of a nodeg who learns from Youtube.

>Alphaphoenix's doctoral dissertation youtube vid on PbSe heteroepitaxy might have a section that'll help you understand differing materials...
After uni i'd rather not touch anything involving industrial heat for the rest of my life. Quality control and maintenance procedures are for me.

>>63879630
Another reminder, the 200-foot penetration depth claim came from the late 2000s and Congress directed the Air Force to increase the penetration capability in 2012, with a 2013 report stating the effort was successful. We also know additional testing was conducted at Whitesands in 2018 for a new variant, which likely had increased penetration capability again.

The GBU-57 MOP has been designed specifically for Fordow and Natanz over almost 20 years with at least 5 different variants developed in that time.

>>63879721
nice, now if they could do that, why did they bomb the entrances only as seen in >>63878584

>>63879729
>why did the enemy target our weak points?? that makes them stoopid!

>>63879741
>entrances 100+ meters from the machinery are weak points
exquisite cope, almost intoxicating.

>>63879729
>why did they bomb the entrances

they didnt , the iranians , in the past 2 weeks were closing the entrances with trucks because they assumed the MOP wasnt big dick enough to penetrate , so the only way to take out the facility would be a airborne assault via helicopter.

pic related from a few days ago. earth mover trucks

>>63879758
>100+ meters from the machinery
2500 kg of HE in enclosed space

>>63876741 (OP)
>How tf does it do that?
jewish space magic

>>63879800
only 2 of the 4 entrances. And those were the ones they didn't bomb.

>>63879810
How cute, you believe the underground facility doesn't have blast doors in place

>>63879840
>4 entrances

lmfao there are 2 entrances you dumb nigger

>>63879840
I have never seen iranian facility have functional blast doors

>>63879849
Can we get the Ukraine war shills again? Those were much better at this

>>63879682
The primary force of a penetrating object is its vector of inertia and kinetic energy over the contact surface area geometry, not an explosion.
Sorry wannabe genius you're losing.

>>63876861
jelly?

>>63879038

"flows away" where?

>>63877070
No. For example, here is a pic of a penetrating warhead designed for the Pershing II that impacted at Mach 4, and traveled 100ft into the ground, and it's barely scratched. To add, here is a video of a pen warhead developed by NG to test what would happen to a pen warhead traveling at high supersonic to low hypersonic speeds at impact into granite mountains. This one impacted at Mach 4 into rose granite and looks new - besides the small layer of solidified granite on the outside. Even the tip is still quite sharp. My research on the scant details of these studies indicates that penetration depth was around 40ft. Multiple tests were done at different velocities, and 10ft of penetration for every 1 Mach number seems to be the rule of thumb for granite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ljAsz_GWE


>Other less well-diagnosed experiments by Orbital Sciences Corporation that were presented to the SAB committee indicated that they could deliver a 300-kg (660-lb) penetrator with an impact velocity of 4,000 ft/sec into an earth granite target. The measured depth of penetration was 45 ft. The penetrator that was recovered after the experiment indicated little erosion and loss of mechanical strength, although the penetrator did appear to be slightly bent. The length of the penetrator was 5 ft and the diameter was 9 inches, which gives L/D = 6.6. The areal mass M/A = 10.4 psi. In another experiment, a 4-ft-long, 256-lb steel penetrator impacted granite at a velocity of 3,300 ft/sec. The penetration depth was 31 ft in granite. The diameter of the penetrator was 6 inches, which gives L/D = 8 and an M/A = 9 psi. The penetrator in these tests was a solid body with no interior space for a warhead. In a practical device, such space would be required, which would weaken the mechanical strength of the penetrator and reduce the penetration depth.

Appendix G, if you'd like to read more.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA387782.pdf

Can someone ask the guy who does armor pen simulation videos to make one on a gbu hitting solid rock at 700mph? I really feel the need for this retard in the thread to learn when to shut his bitch mouth.

Anyone else think the point was to damage the facility enough that Mossad funded saboteurs can take care of the rest? Try to repair it and your construction crew installs something on the breaker that melts the electrical system, that sort of thing. Cause enough damage that a massive amount of manpower is needed. With that comes security issues.

>>63879560
Those processes aren't instantaneous. Even a nuke case withstands its energy release for a few microseconds. Unless you're going at orbital speeds ablating some solid tungsten (or some matrix composite) takes time, during which it'll keep cruising through less dense, displacable rock.

>>63879915
They dropped 7 tons of HE into an enclosed space (twice - 7 tons in two opposing areas)
Remember the old "a firecracker in an open hand does nothing, a closed fist blows off your fingers"
The base is effectively ruined.

if this is the level of competence western engineers reach after university the west is inevitably finished
just stfu and go back to school

>>63879962
So then the best move Mossad can make is to pay an Iranian structural engineer to say that the site is an totally salvageable.

>>63879962
>Remember the old "a firecracker in an open hand does nothing, a closed fist blows off your fingers"
>The base is effectively ruined.
that's now how explosive force distributes on solid masses.

>melt
>vaporize
As a done&kruger, my gut says that can't possibly happen that the low speeds a gravity bomb is going. I don't know if the wall thickness of a GBU-57 is known but I know that the 1.75" case BLU-122 in a GBU-28 which uses the same ES-1 steel has been tested against 10,000psi concrete.

>>63879985
My point is that the explosives, due to containment, travelled through a large reach of the facilities and destroyed a significant amount of equipment.
The old "fire in a tunnel travels through the lowest pressure zones without dissipating" thing.
Except it's a 5+ PSI blastwave.

C'mon people turn your brains on. You're better than this.

>>63879962
there's no evidence of the bombs pentrating the facility or doing more than surface damage.

>>63880007
There's no evidence that you're not a virgin and I have 3 kids.
Basically, you gay as hell nigga.

>>63880007
Why would there be evidence of anything else?

Were expecting the entire mountain to collapse in on itself?

>>63879884
>Multiple tests were done at different velocities, and 10ft of penetration for every 1 Mach number seems to be the rule of thumb for granite.
One can also increase penetration depth by increasing payload weight and making the penetrator denser

>>63880006
You are assuming they actually penetrated into the base. We don't know and we will likely have to way until iranians start digging.

The MOP penetrates by concentrating a lot of force onto a small area, it does this by being highly dense and very long.

Velocity has diminishing returns for penetrator performance beyond a critical point, depending on the material properties of both the penetrator and the target.
The penetrator will begin to deform beyond the critical point, then it will turn completely fluid, behaving more like a jet of water.
Rock (IE silicates) targets actually have more unfavourable characteristics compared to metals for extreme velocity penetrations, as they do not deform plastically in the same way.

>>63879610
fuck off schizo

>>63880060
they dropped 6 at each target site, two per hole, and in the pattern they hit (you dont think that was random do you?) for a reason.

>>63880079
That hasn't been confirmed as far as I know.


All we know for sure is 7 B-2s, 14 GBU-57s, and that the lead aircraft on Fordow successfully dropped 2 GBU-57s.

We don't have direct confirmation on the other 12 unless you've got more information?

>>63880079
an educated guess but still a guess.

>>63880082
>We don't have direct confirmation on the other 12 unless you've got more information?
Hegseth and USAF confirmed it in the mission's news conference

The heat from the bomb cooks the rock.

>>63880082
there are 6 fucking holes lmfao look at the photograph retard

>>63879038
>They had to improvise a bigger bomb using artillery barrels, those worked and they were only half the weight of the MOP .
Where can I educate myself about this? Sounds quite fascinating and a bit mad, I like it.

>>63880086
A fair point. Based on the holes in the other thread I'm starting to think the outer holes were for softening and each primary hole took 3 MOPs.
See, that works out to 2+2 MOPs for the "softening" holes and 3 for the primary. Which gives us 14 MOPs.

>still a guess
But is it really.

>>63876785
this. The explosive charge is basically just a smaller bunker buster shoved into a giant heavy metal bullet that just plows through ground using kinetic energy.

>>63880107
2 MOPs were dropped on Naganz

>>63880116
The explosive payload is still over 2 metric tons

>>63880006
Iranians filled in the entrances to the site days prior, apparently under the assumption that a ground operation would be needed to disable it.
Amusingly that potentially amplified the internal blasting forces because it worked as a tamper and seal.

>>63880007
you can find before/after images over here >>63878584
More importantly, Israel just announced they're fine with ending all operations assuming Iran ceases missile strikes and levels for a white peace. No reparations requested, no regime change demanded.
They wouldn't saying that if they didn't get everything they wanted.

>>63876741 (OP)
It's cause the missile is made out of the hardest Metal known to man. Diamond that has been folded over 9000 times so it's super dense.

>>63880104
This here is a good read on the GBU-28.
>Legacy in the Sand: The United States Army Armament, Munitions & Chemical Command in Operations Desert Shield & Desert Storm.
apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA259704.pdf#page=45

>The primary problem facing Mr. Weimorts involved the need for a steel tube long and strong enough to serve as the bomb's body. While pondering the issue, Mr. Weimorts shared his problem with a retired army veteran at the Lockheed Missiles and Space Company, Sunnyvale, CA. (Lockheed had been tapped by the air force to produce the GBU-28's warhead.) The veteran recalled that the army stockpiled old gun barrels that might serve the purpose Mr. Weimorts required. The barrels just happened to consist of the same hardened steel needed for the bomb body. A few minutes work located the gun barrels at Letterkenney Arsenal in eastern Pennsylvania."

>Without waiting for Pentagon approval, the Eglin weapons lab asked Letterkenney Arsenal to ship several of the 8-inch M201 howitzer barrels to Watervliet Arsenal. On 1 February 1991, just days after the realization that the existing bomb units, BLU- 109, were incapable of penetrating the bunkers of Hussein and his generals, Watervliet personnel started shaping the first bomb bodies from the gun barrels.

And this here is my favourite document of precision munitions
>Precision Guided Munitions: Constructing a Bomb More Potent than the A-bomb
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA406542.pdf

>>63880183
Awesome, thank you very much!

>>63880190
np and if you're looking for more documents or powerpoints just search for it on https://discover.dtic.mil/

>>63876752
>>63876908
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen MOP?

>>63876741 (OP)
>>I have a pretty good background in ballistics and physics
Clearly you fucking dont choad.

>>63880157
But that’s wrong. Diamond isn’t the hardest metal. It’s not even a metal.
Obviously, Dragonforce is the hardest metal known to man.

>>63880183
I've always found the idea of turning gun barrel steel to penetrators kinda wild. Is the metallurgy really that different?

>>63876779
/k/ is really just reddit, huh?

I’m sure this is heavily classified but in a two penetrator strike how does the fracturing of an igneous rock following the first hit influence penetration depth of the next hit?

Let’s assume the kinetic energy cone in front of the penetrator and HE explosion produces 0.5m^3 to 2m^3 interlocked fractured chunks of rock with pulverized dust filling the cracks, as well as exacerbating much larger natural cracks in the rock.

Will the interlocked fractured rocks behave pretty much like solid rock or can you get a pretty substantial penetration bonus?

>>63880386
It increases energy distribution and absorption but decreases initial impact resistance. Cinderblock vs sand.

>>63880386
>igneous rock following the first hit influence penetration depth of the next hit?
>igneous rock

The Zagros mountain range is not even igneous, it's fucking shale and limestone.
>ctrl-f "granite"
>14 results

Shills or mental retardation?

>>63876741 (OP)
>how a non nuclear bomb penetrates 200 feet down though solid earth
Why would there be a difference between the penetration capability of a non-nuclear bomb vs a nuclear one?

>>63877013
>>63877041
Best to just use ground penetrating B-61's then, it's the only way to make sure...

>>63879523
>>63879560

The gas can't damage the tungsten casing due to it's inertia, so instead they'll break the surrounding rock and escape on the sides.

It seems to me your "background" is just finding reasons why something wouldn't work when we know it does work as you can see here >>63879884. Educated beyond your intelligence.

>>63880700
>Best to just use ground penetrating B-61's
MOPs genuinely have better penetration.

>>63880303
African-American, or European?

>>63880753
A B61 doesn't have to penetrate as far, though, because the "explosive fill" is several orders of magnitude greater.

>>63878009
>debunked by the fact checkers of snopes!!!1
>OSINT doesn't real!!1
>only US the narrative spinners are the true and real authority!!1

There weren't even car wrecks at the site, it's been abandoned.

Hang and behead all faggots like this guy.

>>63881068
Which ultimately means they perform about the same, except one gets the entire world on your case and the other can be used with near impunity.

>>63880077
Fuck off boomer.

>>63881104
R.I.P. old man from scene 24

>>63880930
Blacks on average have smaller dicks and these types of post disappear every time Israel gets bombed.

>>63880701
>It seems to me your "background" is just finding reasons why something wouldn't work when we know it does work as you can see here >>63879884.
The experiment gives extremely limited penetration (20 ms tops) on a solid penetrator of small diameter.

Now empty it out, then make it bigger without increasing it's density, then change tungsten for steel which is the MOP's casing. That is far less efficient, and consider you want it to penetrate +50 plus meter.

If you were smart, you'd know you don't even need to fully penetrate to cause potential,it's a mini earthquake there, if it didn't blow up, it's gonna be out of commission for a year or more. But your shill checkboxes don't seem to account for this.

This is starting to sound like the begining of the Iraq invasion media blitz.

>uhhhhhhhhh there's no ebidense!
Holy fuck you people are idiots. What fucking fantasy world do you braindead npcs come from? You're expecting massive craters visible from space or something? All they need to do is cause extensive collapse of the shallower parts of the facility such as access tunnels, something that would be barely noticeable if at all in satellite images, to render them useless for a long time.

>>63880753
saddam hussein at 7 meters

>>63876741 (OP)
>but i have no idea how a non nuclear bomb penetrates 200 feet down though solid earth
a solid steel cylinder hitting solid rock can expect to penetrate about 2-4 times its length depending on the density of the rock and ignoring the effects of hardness and streamlining
so you could expect about 60ft of penetration into solid rock given a 20ft long bomb

but it isnt normal steel, its high-hardness steel, designed to keep its streamlined shape even after contact with a hard surface
so you could imagine it going further than simple impact depth approximation might suggest

>>63881077
>entire world
I remember when the US was punished for nuking Japan.... oh wait.

>>63884018
2025 is not 1945

>>63880753
what newspaper or article?

>>63876741 (OP)
Been reading about this stuff.
Y'all white people are scary, creating something like that.
I ain't never pissing off white folx again, y'all are devils

Now will the turdies shut up about their Temu drones with RPG-7 warheads duct taped to them being the new paradigm?

>>63884061
what does specialised bunker-busting have to do with the generalised threat of drones?

>>63877293
>rock > steel
Based and stone age pilled. Bronze fags were bad enough, but now we're being overrun by fucking iron posters. This board hasn't been good for 5000 fucking years.

>jews and americans coping about their shitty bombing
>guys please stop laughing

>>63876741 (OP)
You are implying that a nuclear weapon can penetrate 200 feet down too. Protip it cannot. Multiple megatons would be required to penetrate that much with a surface detonation. This is why kinetic penetrators are a thing, and the fundamentals of their operation is highschool physics. You know, I have a feeling you have no background in ballistics and physics at all.

>>63881143
Haha gen z retard spotted

>>63880447
>not even igneous
the Fordow site geologic mapping shows basalt and rhyolite. (Granite is a plutonic rock)
(You) need to consult local geologic mapping for specific areas-regions
also, (You) are a brainlet.

>>63881531
>Now empty it out, then make it bigger without increasing it's density, then change tungsten for steel which is the MOP's casing. That is far less efficient, and consider you want it to penetrate +50 plus meter.
Why would you assume any of those things to be true? Why would you assume, for example, that the US told you the truth that it has a steel casing but lied about the penetration depth, instead of the other way around or neither being accurate? Why would you assume they would design a weapon unfit for its purpose when they have extensive experimental evidence to guide the design? It's not even an export weapon and was never built for deterrence.

The other anon was absolutely right. You've been educated beyond your intelligence, assuming you aren't just lying about your education. Your capacity for reason is fucking shitful and whatever seat you sat in at uni should have had someone else in it.

>>63881143
This post turned me into a newt and gave me cancer.

>>63877293
Are you really that fucking retarded?

>>63880303
>>63880930
>>63881143
>>63884486
Jesus wept.

>>63884574
Ey ese, jesus is over here and he isn't crying.

Well the bomb weights something like sixteen tons apparently so in terms of size it's a total joke. And this is because the way it works is that it's basically got an eight ton sabot on the nose which uses dead weight to penetrate concrete, concrete is great for compression force, but you can physically punch a section out of it.

And this basically delivers the bomb to a lower depth where it explodes contained within the bunker so it would be like being in a car tunnel with a 12 ton bomb going off anywhere in the tunnel. The pressure wouldn't go back up the hole it made, it would blow all the tunnel walls outwards onto the dirt, causing a total collapse. Tunnels not meant to contain pressure generally.

But at this state we don't know if the US even hit, the tomahawk strikes probably caused more damage. Lot of money, but you know... isreal

>>63884976
>But at this state we don't know if the US even hit
They literally know the entire layout of Fordow from the long nose tribe after they raided a truckload's worth of Iran's nuclear program documentation, they wouldn't fly half a dozen B-2s with god knows how many more escorts into "contested" airspace to dump cutting edge bunker-busters-on-steroids just so Trump wouldn't have Bibi up his ass 24/7.

>>63878149
Little Caesars hot-n-ready

>>63876741 (OP)
Energy always follows the path of least resistance and pushing down into the Earth is a lot harder than billowing up into the atmosphere.

Lol dumb.

>>63878221
kinetic bombardment weapons make perfect sense on the math side, its the logistical issues keeping us from really doing anything to get any built. Just orbiting the launching system and ammo would be a feat of engineering so cool we could use that tech for a hundred other more productive uses than just lobbing redwoods of tungsten back down to the earth. I blame EndWar for getting everyones hopes up

>>63879840
blast doors aren't going to help long term if multiple underground explosions tilt all your workspaces a couple degrees and compromise the structural rigidity of the whole facility.

>>63884037
I saved it off of here, as evidenced by the Saddam meme edit, but the source is listed at the bottom.

National Post
https://nationalpost.com/news/graphics/israel-iran-graphic-how-do-bunker-busting-bombs-work

>>63876741 (OP)
The same way you can penetrate bullet proof glass by shooting the same spot a few times.

Everyone acts like this all has to be done by a single bomb.

>>63878221
They are bullshit, at a certain point the energy being delivered is so great that the "rod" explodes rather than continuing to penetrate. China released a paper on this recently.

A telephone pole size rod would create a crater 9 meters deep 20 meters wide. Basically its a massive waste of money for something that has the effect of a 2000 lbs bomb.

>>63876833
how the fuck does a bomb moving at most 600mph with 100x the surface area penetrate more than 2 feet of even the loosest sand in the world?

>>63885431
it weights nearly 30,000lbs?

>>63885431
It's going faster than 600mph and it weighs 15 tons.

>>63885431
sheer inertia and mass

a long rod actually loses mass as it punches through matter, so by the time it punches through the backside of an armor plate its basically down to a stub
sheer thickness of rock can ensure that the round if ground down before it can clear the length of the wall

a bomb is much heavier and its casing is designed to stay in one piece even after colliding with a mass of rock thicker than itself

>>63878149
The case.

>>63877356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglin_steel

>>63884544
>Why would you assume any of those things to be true?
Because I can see at plain sight from photos of the MOP that it has increased diameter and it's going to be hollowed out. The rest is basic math.

>>63884544
>the science doesn't support your statements
>trust me goy the propaganda is lying the bomb is even better
lmao

>>63885386
mmmmmmhmmmmmm ispace borne kinetic weapons doesn't even real. tell that to the dryas event.

>>63885542
>high perfomance
what the FUCK does high performance mean. This isn't a fucking metric used for materials reeeeeee

>>63886514
This is gonna blow your mind, but high-performance steel (HPS) is steel that performs better than more typical alloys.

>>63886578
Stupid fucking dumb weasel wording cunt. Steel alloys have different and even mutually exclusive purposes, measuring their efficiency or """"perfomance"""" in their task is dependent on the mechanical propiesties of the alloy of you which have like a dozen different considerations, right off the bet I can think of ductility, conductivity, breaking point, bending point, fragility, shear res, tear res, and more not counion specific qualities produced by special alloys.

Saying an alloy is "high perfomance" means literally nothing.

>>63881534
>This is starting to sound like the beginning of the Iraq invasion media blitz
All of it has since the start of this Thursday week before last.
Key thing is the timing :
Why all of a sudden, instantly, was Iraq's nuclear program (again...) imminent and a problem on Thursday 13th June 2025?
It's all about Netanyahu and his own government ready to throw him out: that's what the timing of this is all about
We'll have to see how the Iran-Israel conflict as current plays out, and fingers crossed that it resolves soon with an agreement and the United States isn't drawn in further

>>63886684
it's more about Trump. if he couldn't get a deal, he'd be left looking like an idiot, and he does not like that when it comes to making a deal.
Netanyahu going ahead with bombing is a great exit strategy for Trump for negotiations that were doomed from the beginning.

>>63886706
Maybe, but what happens to the United States if the Iran-Israel war continues for the next six months?
I agree that with stuff like this (for example, Trump has said since his first term 2017 "Iran can not have a nuclear weapon...") he really has particular topics he 'cares' a lot about or is steadfast, inflexible about. He also likes 'dealmaking' even with regard to the Middle East (the first term Abraham Accords). So agreed, he does want a 'deal'. And not getting one would make him look bad. But the no-deal alternative : this war widening and turning into a lengthy unresolved punching match, isn't going to be something Trump and the United States can realistically manage or contain the scope of.
In other words this isn't as simple as Trump being able to step away and say, "welp"...