7 B-2s, 14 MOPs

>>63878879 (OP)
they look, another thread!

F-22 FINALLY ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

>>63878879 (OP)
very interesting how they leave out where those tanker took of from

>>63878879 (OP)
>Port Stanley Raid: 21st Century Edition
Pretty cool, unironically.

>>63878879 (OP)
Interesting, so Whiteman to Whiteman with no stops? Must be one of the longest range bombing raids in history.

>>63878879 (OP)
dont forget a bunch of Dextroamphetamine to help them stay awake

>>63878879 (OP)
All of the retarded flightradar "OSINT" homos got played hard by the deception ops

>>63879132
Exactly what I was thinking. Apparently enough people have good "distance from Missouri to Iran" that I got the results after the second S. It's over 15,000 miles, so they were in the air a full 24 hours.

>>63878879 (OP)
Ngl pretty impressive even if it's peacetime and Iran already got ACKED

>>63879159
>so they were in the air a full 24 hours.
How much does a mil spec piss bottle cost? Or are they depending one something else...?

>>63878919
Who is looking?

>>63879170
Pretty sure they have a shitter, a cot, and a microwave in the B-2 crew cabin.

>>63879159
Supposedly it was a 37 hour mission.

>>63879143
as is obvious. Open Source intelligence is closer to journalism than actual intelligence gathering.

>>63879186
Do they get to have naps?

>>63879188
Wound put them a little over 400mph the entire trip. Obviously the maximum cruising speed of B-2 is classified, but is a fully loaded boy really flying that slow?

>>63878938
Probably from Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc.

>>63879204
Obviously, hence the cot. Imagine how good that post bombing run pepperoni Hot Pocket must have tasted.

>>63878942
I was just thinking that I'd prefer "Black Buck" to "Midnight Hammer"
at least it alliterates splendidly

>>63879192
OSINT is what 21st century defence journalism ought to be but is too pozzed to be

>>63879188
At least they've got a bed and can usually find a few hours to take some naps, eat a meal, etc.

>>63879272
>Operation Black Buck was a resounding success
>Some of the call signs involved were "Zesty" , "Breaker", and "Moist"
>CENTCOM Operational Commander Tariq Nasheed could not be reached for comment

>>63879225
>Obviously, hence the cot.
You need to have nerves of katana steel to be able to go asleep on once a lifetime mission.

>>63879272
>I was just thinking that I'd prefer "Black Buck" to "Midnight Hammer"
I think that one's been ruined forever.
The porn parodies of both are going to be super gay though.

>>63879186
>>63879225
>on super stealthy mission in my B-2
>deep in enemy airspace, total radio silence passive systems only
>not worried at all because I'm inside American alien tech
>"you can't hit what you can't see losers!"
>Dave pops a burrito in the B-2 microwave
>enemy SIGINT detects the microwave
>air defense network lights up like a goddamn Christmas tree
fug.

Iranians got all their shot out they are saying.

>>63879352
oh yeah I'm sure it's a cinch to move centrifuges out on a couple of U-Hauls

>>63879352
There's not much chance that convoy wasn't observed and tracked by NRO.

>>63879340
I'm sure the military can afford a microwave that doesn't EMI like one from aliexpress.

>>63878879 (OP)
>24hr mission
how do they shit?

>>63879420
just eat low-residue food.

>>63879420
silly American trannys have to eat MREs and suffer constipation to carry out ineffective airstrike
based tradwife PUCCIA have toilet in back of cockpit
behold superior Soviet technology, comrade

>>63879352
You couldn't even get 5% of the centrifuges out with that.
No, that's for the most important shit like severs, controllers, and most importantly all of the uranium. Everything else is either too bulky to transport or is replaceable.

>>63879367
Yes but we're not doing a sustained bombing campaign. And I doubt Israel can track and follow and kill all those trucks; they just aren't important enough compared to missile launchers and radars.

>>63879431
The B-2 cockpit is equipped with a microwave, toilet, and camp bed.
Pilots can trade off and take naps for extended flight missions.

>>63879420
There's built in porta potties in the B2.
https://youtu.be/6RuG8qHQcbY?t=2127

>>63879448
Sure.
But you can see where they go and add it to the list of “things to blow up if Iran tries something funny”

>>63879352
I bet they do say that, but irans claims are pretty consistently divorced from reality

>>63879431
Now that's what I call "dropping a bomb"!

>>63879272
>>63879316
Hopefully any follow-up operation will be called Downright Peculiar

>>63878921
I'm crying. Raptor finally got to fly a real sortie (not against a balloon)

This will satisfy the satanic zionist Jews in DC and their church bombing regime. One blessed day we will be free from them.

>>63879352
Those are clearly dump trucks, which were used to fill the entrances with soil.

>>63879220
Confirmed. Spain received several refueling aircraft at the US bases the 17th

>>63879306
Nah, you just need to be well trained enough to know that you have to sleep even if you don't want to.

>>63879192
OSINT is what made the F-117 possible.

>>63879143
>>63879192
you're both dumb. osint did find the 9 b2 flying east
https://xcancel.com/shayadave/status/1936288106988421358

>>63879431
Imagine the smell.

>>63879715
Bussy and Pepperoni Hot Pockets...the smell of Victory

>>63879458
Imagine if the beaner pilot goes full beans on the toilet... Fuck, they need to have good air exchange as well.

>>63879668
Yes, some fucking chump near the AFB got the strike package right. None of the "OSINT" faggots staring at their retarded flightradar screens did. That was the deception part, these OSINT retards got played big time, because they're fucknig stupid retards who should be banned from the internet.

>>63879448
>Yes but we're not doing a sustained bombing campaign
Israel is.

>And I doubt Israel can track and follow and kill all those trucks
They probably can, they're good at satellites and data processing but regardless, NRO can and certainly is.

>they just aren't important enough compared to missile launchers and radars.
You don't think Israel thinks this is important shit?

>>63879841
That chump was doing OSINT. Just because one source didn't play out doesn't mean it is ineffective. The pizza watchers at the pentagon got it right.

>>63879829
>Imagine if the beaner pilot goes full beans on the toilet
Everyone likes their own brand.

With how juvenile pilot humour is, including literally every ex-AF pilot I've met, they'd probably have contests to eat the spiciest, most fibrous chillis and curries pre-mission to try and out-stink each other for the 37 hours on-mission.

Imagine the maintenance reports.

>>63879212
Did not fly Great Circle, duh.

>>63878879 (OP)

How much room is there in a B-2 for people?

>>63878879 (OP)
Why wasn't this B-2 flight tracked like the decoys to Guam??

>>63880253
If they turn beacons off they can't be tracked.

>>63879452
like literally every other plane

>>63880253
They didn't have their corner reflectors mounted nor were their ATC transponders turned. Which is the sort of thing they do when they go all sneakyboi mode.

>>63879452
Do they give each other brotherly handjobs to help keep their focus up?

>>63878921
...but there was nobody to intercept.

>>63879132
B-52s did Barksdale-Iraq round trips in Desert Storm. B-2s did Whiteman-Serbia in '99, which is what, 6-8 hours closer?

>>63880655
> They didn't have their corner reflectors mounted
That’s almost entirely irrelevant to being tracked by civilian sources

>>63880744
Are you claiming the Iranian AA uses air traffic radars for targetting? Or are you just being retarded on the internet for the lulz?

>>63879948
There should be a standing "no outside food orders during a crisis" rule. Spin up the canteens to produce lots of take-out items or make the planners eat MREs.

>>63880251
There's room for 3, but they only fly with 2.

>>63880253
The tankers that topped them off along the route didn't run their transponders. There were no notices or closed airspaces or anything, they just went and did it all quiet-like.

How many Persian wives can I buy with $100,000?

>>63880834
10,000

>>63880842
Didn’t think they went for that cheap. I don’t think I could fit more than half a dozen in my home unless they sleep on the floor.

>>63880268
>>63880655
>>63880253

Why didn't aircraft spotters notice them taking off?
There's dozens of them camped outside the B-2 bases and moreso over the last few days when things starting getting hot.

>>63880855
US paid them cash under the table to keep them from talking. I made $50 from it, pretty sweet deal!

>>63880855
>Why didn't aircraft spotters notice them taking off?
They did.
>>63880871
also this

>>63880871
You got fooled. you can't but anything for $50 anymore.

>>63879483
Operation Weeeeellllll Now, What Do We Have Here?

>>63878879 (OP)
Reminder that each and every one of the United States' adversaries dont even have a fraction of this capability.
Seethe turdies.

It's a nothing burger, all the uranium and equipment was moved before hand and it the bombs didn't even pen. Meanwhile missile volume is fine and Israel's cities are burning while Iran's aren't.

>>63879132
>>63879159
>>63879188
Armodafinil is so based. got it a few times and its not joke. slept 2 hours in 50 and never even felt tired or groggy

>>63879506
correct

>>63881335
Copelord is that you

>>63881335
missile volume is not fine lmao at least lie about something that isnt easily quantifiable

speaking of whom, let's see how old baldy is doing
>...
yeah

>>63881410
Checking on his mental health is a whole different kind of Yeahposting.

>>63880855
>Why didn't aircraft spotters notice them taking off?
Funny, one guy did because they literally did the meme by flying over his fucking house, but it wasn't the ones the OSINT bros were looking at (or thought they were looking at).

>>63881153
Got me anal with ur mom.

>>63880809
so then you just wait for when the amount of outside food orders drops
and making the planners eat mres will cause a civil war

>>63880271
>like literally every other plane
Like most bombers anyway.
There's a lot of military aircraft that don't have such comforts.

>>63881410
Why is he so bald?

>>63881410
Oh, Iran is right and proper fucked aren’t they?

>>63881443
An unassuming Chinese couple suddenly buys the house next to that guy's.

>>63882575
kek

>>63879448
>And I doubt Israel can track and follow and kill all those truck

Lol. חיחיחיחיחי even

>>63879174
theys

>>63881410
>news would come out
There actually were locals from near the Fordow facility talking about the biggest explosions they ever heard before the attack was announced.

>>63878879 (OP)
>14 MOPs
>6 holes
Okay so if 2 MOPs were used on Natanz, do those 6 holes from Fordow correspond to 12 MOPs?

>>63882575
China has satellites and doesn't need any spotters on the ground

>>63879340
Listen Anon, I don't want to sound like a zoomer, but if your microwave can be detected from the ground you are already cooked.

>>63880693
Should have opened the weapons bays in advance just to get some shit to shoot down.

>>63883647
>shits fucked up, as shown by satellite images
>also you can't see shit because shit's far below ground level

>>63879272
WEEEELLL I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE IRAQI BOYS DO IT BUT IN MONTANA WHERE I'M FROM WE DO THINGS A LIIIITLE BIT DIFFERENT, WE CALL IT BUNK BREAKING, USED TO BE THAT TWO BUCKS GOT ON THE BUNK BED, AND WE'D SEND OUR STRONGEST FARM BOY, WEEELLLL, HE SURE HAD A MASSIVE ORDNANCE PENETRATOR AIN'T THAT RIGHT

>>63878879 (OP)

>>63883809

big beautiful strike bigly deployed on the most evil of nuclear sites, perhaps most evil of all times, to great effect. many more beautiful strikes to come if the stupid regime does not want to talk and help their beutiful people of Iran out. my line is always open. there are many such lines but my line is always open. thank you for your attention to this matter.

>>63879212
We dont know the exact route, but we can assume the flew over Atlantic to the south of Spain through the Mediterranean and then through Israel and through the same corridor the Jews have been using in Syria and Iraq.

>>63883794
Honestly I'm going to reserve my judgement until somebody from the IAEA takes a look and says "shits fucked" or "nbd"

>>63883775
>if your microwave can be detected from the ground you are already cooked
Carlos!

>>63878879 (OP)
they dropped that many? they don’t have much mops left then

>>63883847
>through Israel
bad assumption.
USAF usually doesn't fly through Israel. especially now during wartime, IAF will need all that airspace to themselves.

>>63883853
My personal opinion is that shit was fucked before the war even begun. It's Iran we're talking about.

>>63879448
I think it entirely likely that Israel allowed the trucks to leave because their movements would
A) Reveal other sites
B) Make the material much easier to destroy when stored in softer facilities.

>>63883647
Why does this retard always get the most important events of the decade? Like fucks sake I want these things to be handled with a little dignity.

does murrica even possess the ability to build something like a B-2 ever again given the fact it's been muttified & jeetified so hard?

>>63883925
Didn't they stsrt making a new plane just like it but less shit like literally last year?

>>63883925
one of the principal designers of the b-2 was noshir gowadia -- an indian

>>63883647
liar lied again.
israel just attacked fordow again.

>Hegseth said the operation “took months and weeks of positioning and preparation,” with Caine further stating “in a matter of weeks this went from strategic planning to global execution.”
>Former B-2 pilot and No. 2 at Global Strike retired Lt. Gen. Mark Weatherington says the Fordow mission has been rehearsed “many times for several years.”

>“Once over land, the B-2s linked up with escort and support aircraft
> Among them were 10 F-22 Raptors, 12 F-35 Lightning IIs and 12 F-16 Fighting Falcons deployed a few days ago, as well F-15E Strike Eagles and additional F-16s which were already in theater. The Carrier Air Wing of the USS Carl Vinson might also have taken part in the operation.

>“At approximatively 5 p.m. Eastern Standard Time last night, and just prior to the strike package entering Iran, a U.S. submarine in the U.S. Central Command Area of Responsibility launched more than two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles against key surface infrastructure targets at Esfahan,” Caine explained.” As the Operation Midnight Hammer strike package entered Iranian air space, the U.S. employed several deception tactics, including decoys, as the 4th and 5th generation aircraft pushed out in front of the strike package at high altitude and high speed, sweeping in front of the package for enemy fighters and surface-to-air missile threats.”

>The time spent over the target was 25 minutes, with the main package concentrating on Fordow and Natanz as at least 24 Tomahawks flew towards Esfahan. Previous reports stated that as much as 30 TLAMs might have been launched on the third nuclear site.

>>63884067
>“As the strike package approached Fordow and Natanz, the U.S. protection package employed high-speed suppression weapons to ensure safe passage of the strike package with fighter assets employing preemptive suppressing fires against any potential Iranian surface-to-air threats,” said Caine. “We are currently unaware of any shots fired at the U.S. strike package on the way in.”

>The mention of “high-speed suppression weapons” implicitly refers to the use of AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) and AGM-88E AARGM (Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile) by the SEAD assets. Among the aircraft that could have employed them are the F-16Cs, specifically Shaw’s Block 50s which are specialized in the SEAD role and are currently deployed to the CENTCOM AOR, and the EA-18Gs of the USS Vinson.

>“All three Iranian nuclear infrastructure targets were struck between 6:40 p.m. and 7:05 p.m. Eastern Standard Time – again, that’s about 2:10 in the morning local time in Iran – with the Tomahawk missiles being the last to strike at Esfahan to ensure we retained the element of surprise throughout the operation,” continued Caine. “Following weapons’ release, the Midnight Hammer strike package exited Iranian airspace and the package began its return home. We are unaware of any shots fired at the package on the way out.”

>“In total, U.S. forces employed approximatively 75 precision guided weapons during this operation,” said the General. “This included, as the President stated last night, 14 30,000-pound GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators, marking the first ever operational use of this weapon.”

Considering the 14 MOPs and 24 to 30 TLAMs launched on the three nuclear sites, this would indicate that the fighters in the strike package employed between 31 to 37 Precision Guided Munitions (PGM) as part of the preemptive strikes and the SEAD missions.

>>63884067
don't fucking mix pentagon quotes with blogspam quotes

>>63883899
Obama got Bin Laden.

>>63878879 (OP)
>the entire world laughs at america and israel
>they both have literally 0 public support
>50 threads on /k/ begging everybody to stop laughing

>>63884179
>the entire world laughs at america and israel
Your brain on /pol/.

>>63884179
>it was real in my mind!
Third world cope should be a traded commodity.

>>63883925
>America can't build advanced tech because of non whites!
>looks at BRICS
Oh boy.

>>63884192
>the jew, sorry, pew, research center
nice 2015 retarded made up graph, son.

>>63884192
>>63884195
below is a list of pro-israel, and anti-iran rallies around the world in the last 2 weeks:
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>>63879143
Wdym?
We had threads posted here about the B2s headed off before anything happened

>>63884205
Pro-Israel people have jobs and families. Pro-pally marchers are crusty leftists, welfare browns and paid to be there drug addicts. Watch Charlie Vietch, you'll see.

>>63881711
He worries about things that are not gonna happen.

>>63884242
a swing and a miss, sweetie, try again.
trillions of people around the world have no problems going out and protesting against important stuff in their lives.
how come nobody gives even the tiniest amount of shit about israel to go out and show they support it?

better yet - go find me israel-related news from *pick a country* that has comments still turned on - and show us a screenshot of these comments.

>>63884179
its OK americans laugh at your turd world dystopia

>>63884269
>He doesn't dispute the composition of the marches
Lmao

>>63884242
Mate pro Israel people are fat, foreskin lacking subhumans who donate money in megachurches to the people who killed their God and treat them like a slave race
There are no pro pally people, they're nor people
Stop being partisan, you can hate both 'options'

>>63884273
who are you quoting?

>>63884270
americans right now are to busy shitting on trump and his kike warmongering and dragging us into another "lets change a regime of a middle easter country because israel says so! it didnt work the last hundred times we did it but this time im sure it will work!"

>>63879841
regardless of whether the flight across the pacific was a decoy, literally all the OSINT guys correctly assessed that B2s were leaving the US and there was going to be a strike very soon. i dont know what else you could expect? its not like ANY military operation will have transponders on when it actually goes down

>>63883899
He wants a peace prize like Obunga. I also suspect he wants to be remembered in history, kinda like a shitty, less righteous Solidus Snake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFu0SEAF7ZA

>>63884026
>noshir gowadia
could just be a poster boy for muh more migration when in reality it could be the pure whites who did all the brain heavy stuff

>>63879186
Eating pizza rolls and bombing Iran while geeking on amphetamines sounds so fucking comfy bros.

>>63884179
>plane flies from Whit(e)man AFB to thirdie shithole, bombs them, flies back to Whit(e)man
Uhhhhh, global majoritysissies? Our response? My knees are feeling kind of weak... Can we at least bitch about this in the UN?

>>63884278
>to the people who killed their God
The Romans who did it, or God the Father whose plan it was? I need to know where you're going with this.

>>63884485

>>63884485
Obviously the Romans who later usurped the moniker of being God's chosen people from the Jews (this is or rather was legitimate Roman theology which itself developed offspring)

>>63884485
How come God the Father claims that we have free will when he knows everything that has happened, happens and will ever happen? He basically knew at the beginning of the universe that the Romans will kill Jesus. So much for free will.

Europe couldn’t do this

>>63884545
NTA but I know that if you rope yourself right now, you're going to die and I won't miss you one bit
does that mean you don't have free will?

>>63884559
You're not my Creator and God who claims to know my heart, claims to know my future and judges my fate based on that future (and past) which He already knows, while trying to convince me that I have free will and while also claiming that this life is a test for the one after (but he already knows the result).

>>63884564
correct, because that would require an omniscience that goes far beyond the question of what will you do in the next ten seconds after reading this post
yet I can predict that after reading this post, you will not promptly suckstart a shotgun.
voila, I predicted your action. does that mean you have no free will?

the principle is exactly the same, you're only expressing incredulity at the scale and precision.

feel free to prove me wrong. do a backflip on the way down, for style.

>>63884485
Anyone but the Jews who demanded his death over and over under threat of revolt, anyone but them!

>>63884576
You're comparing predictions with omniscience which is a false equivalence. The principle is not the same. An omniscient being already knows the exact result that will happen with 100% accuracy, in predictions terms and conditions apply and there's always variance.

>>63884588
omniscience and 100% statistical prediction has the same external observable result. in statistics it's said (jokingly, of course) that the perfect model would predict what would happen completely accurately 100% of the time. (usually this is only possible in the most fundamental of hard sciences, so this is a common social science joke.)
could you tell the difference?
especially given your frame of reference?

and even if one takes this argument at face value, the false equivalence is equating freedom with inaccurate prediction. you can't show logically why this is the case, you're only asserting that somehow, we must take it for granted that free will cannot be bounded by 100% accurate prediction.
why should that be?

>>63884067
>F-22 gets to be part of a real combat operation
>Enemy aircraft are literally incapable of taking off anyway

>>63884629
>could you tell the difference?
No. A statistical model of human behavior that runs at 100% or close to 100% accuracy would, for all intents and purposes, give omniscience in regards to future human behavior.
>free will cannot be bounded by 100% accurate prediction.
>why should that be?
Because that statistical model that could 100% accurately predict my life path would show that humans are deterministic, ie. humans would not have free will ie. God, the Creator of the Universe, has pre-determined mine and everyone else's lifepaths from womb to death and to our eventual judgement to Hell or Heaven.

>>63884647
>No
Precisely

>Because that statistical model that could 100% accurately predict my life path would show that humans are deterministic, ie. humans would not have free will
you're just repeating the statement without explaining why and how.

The only thing anyone cares about is a confirmation of the strike
Until I get one, I will personally believe that the US just dropped like 30 metric ton of munition and blew the top off a mountain.

At this stage there is no reason the US wouldn't give confirmation, Trump didn't have congressional approval so this was isreal lobby all the way and probably just to save face, and Iran is still striking telaviv

>>63884174
That was John Cena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6maL6gq6qME

GUYS PLEASE! IT WAS JUST A PRANK BROS!
Lmao, the president of the united states is begging for natural and inevitable consequences of his actions to not happen.

>>63880809
Or just randomly order lots of takeout and make America's enemies pucker up a bit for the cost of some dominos. Like everytime Iran, Russia or China gets uppity just "Yes I'd like to place an order for delivery, yes that's right 250 perpperoni pizzas and a barrel of breadsticks, yes that's me, uh huh yup the pentagon". They shut up and scramble the cope guard, eventually they wise up and them BAM you blow up General Pastrami or whoever they replaced the last the guy with.

>>63880809
Why don't they just establish in-campus takeout restaurants with security clearances?

>>63885045
Genius, hire this retard

>>63878879 (OP)
>7 B-2s, 14 MOPs
Bros?: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-israel-us-latest-news/card/the-u-s-used-its-biggest-bunker-busters-in-warfare-for-the-first-time-NAwklGmA6UX42Mf8OwE9

>>63883761
Satellites don't give you 24/7 coverage unless you have an absolute shitload of them.

>>63884192
How do South Koreans have a better view of Russia then Venezuelans?

>>63879143
Reatard
“osint” is the deception ops
You think these guys sit around and tweet all day for fun?

>>63885674
>You think these guys sit around and tweet all day for fun?
That's what I do here. Can't imagine I'm the only one, or that there aren't people doing the same on other social media.

Also
>Reatard

>>63885131
>Why don't they just establish in-campus takeout restaurants with security clearances?
There used to be a hot dog stand but the real reason is budget and demand.
Most of the time, restaurants can't stay open 24/7 with no business.
Staff need consistent hours.

The answer is probably to have a team open the galley and staff it with pogs but it's easier to just go commercial.

>>63885643
>How do South Koreans have a better view of Russia then Venezuelans?
Busan isn't so far from Vladivostok and is popular with middle class Russians for beach and karaoke/strip club holidays.

>>63885726
It can't be that costly to pay a food corporation to keep an in-campus restaurant open 24/7

>>63885732
it should be lower then

>>63884424
Replace Iranians with Russians, and that pretty much sounds like my sophomore year in undergrad

>>63885798
That's it, the Iranian nuclear program is toast.

>>63884817
This has the same energy as when he tried to gaslight the American people over the trump virus not being deadly, only for it to kill a million people.

>>63885798
Does Copechair's Warlord anti-nostradamus predictions only apply to the Russians, or for anyone he's a shill for?

>>63885798
I kneel, strongest evidence that the MOPs wrecked the shit out of those bunkers

>>63884817
Kek who is Trump talking to here?

>>63885798
>Reverse Cassandra hath spoken

>>63885845
OPEC, because someone reminded him what happened when Bush fucked around in the middle east last time. seriously if this retard could just have anyone around him that could think maybe TWO steps ahead he'd have to do this shit less.

>>63885845
he is actually talking to the retards - both Dem and GOP - who don't believe in market forces and think inflation is controlled by people who arbitrarily make number go up by turning a dial
the elegance of dealing with such people is that you can do something that would unbalance the market, but since they believe the above, he can make pronouncements like this and then say afterwards "I told them not to but they moved the dial anyway for profiteering purposes, not my fault"

>>63885798
What happened to this 'man' to be such an anti-US shill?

>>63885919
He's a pedo that russia has damning evidence on and/or he was the local fuckup in the army and has a bone to pick with america for not realizing his greatness lol

>>63885798
Oh yeah, those facilities are totally and irrevocably fucked.
And the ayatollah has Jew-induced ass cancer as well.

>>63884817
Reminder that this six year old is apparently a business tycoon.

>>63885919
Israel stole his hairline. They offered to sell it back to him, with interest, and he's been engagement farming for Elonbux ever since.

>>63885911
I think he learned it from Orbán. I raised prices in my shop to follow Hungarian Forint inflation, and people sneer at me with disgust. Apparently there's no such thing as inflation, just a conspiracy that everyone is in on, to raise prices all at the same time, to fleece the working man.

>>63886080
it's an international thing
TL;DR because that's what Communist economics says, and Communist ideology has infected like 99% of people out there

>>63885798
>lighter standoff weapons that caused only surface damage

>>63884192
>2015
>A decade before America cut off free gibs

>>63884192
What’s the deal with Jordan? I thought they were pretty close with the US?

>>63886139
The King is, yes, the problem is they were culturally enriched by palestinian >refugees that like 60% of the total population are now palis. They even started a revolt/war in Jordan in 1970, tried to overthrow the Jordanian government, and murder the King. Why they weren't subsequently genocided I'll never understand.

>>63885919
From what I recall he was a 1st Lt. in the Army for 8 years who was incompetent enough to get relegated to some bullshit job and that when it came to "up or out" it ended up being "out".
This is probably the main driving force behind his seething hatred of the west. You see, if you fail to make it in the military, then if that military is actually gay and weak and so is the whole country, and it's the adversaries who are based and strong, then you're not a failure but rather a "disillusioned veteran".
Oh and he writes shitty yuribait original fiction or something.

>>63885798
RIP Iran

>>63885919
Some monkey paw shit probably.
He wished for the ability to see the future, but now he can never tell the truth about what he sees.

>>63886171
>>From what I recall he was a 1st Lt. in the Army for 8 years who was incompetent enough to get relegated to some bullshit job
I think he did something like museum artillery piece cleaning or something as useless as that

>>63878879 (OP)
implessive

>>63886101
>>63886080
>>63885911
To be fair a lot of the 'inflation' in America was price gouging given these same companies that were saying prices had to be high because of it were also raking in record profits at the same time.
Same thing happened with eggs, interesting enough trump gave the poultry industry a massive kick back when he got in office and they still refused to lower prices until more recently.

>>63885747
Russian whores appeal to Korean men and Russian men are gentlemen compared to Korean men.

And these are neu-middle-class Russians, they're not crazy pushy customers by Asian standards and only fight each other. By Korean standards, this isn't really much of a downer.

>>63886171
>Oh and he writes shitty yuribait original fiction or something.
Don't phone post with voice2text while high anon.

>>63886774
If you don't understand words you can just ask, Anon.

>>63886795
How many of the reviews are people just dunking on copelord?

>>63878879 (OP)
>Midnight Hammer details
>7 B-2s, 14 MOPs

>>63886171
>From what I recall he was a 1st Lt. in the Army for 8 years
How is that even remotely possible? Promotion to Captain ~4 years is one of the most automatic things things out there. Sure there is still a board, but almost nobody fails to promote. It's about as automatic as you can get unless you are a real Fuckup.

>>63886810
None. I expected some but Amazon probably got rid of them, one of the two 1* reviews is from 2020 and the other from April 14, 2022.
In fact, there are only three reviews in total that are post-invasion and two of them are 5*.

>>63886837
He was a real fuckup

>>63886080
>>63885911
There really isn't, inflation is real, but someone along the supply chain will always take advantage of it to price gouge and blame it inflation, which is super common in the US recently because you had companies posting record profit.
Still, OPEC just needs to give trump a big enough bribe and he'll just tell his followers to suck up the gas price increases.
Though, isn't it standard military knowledge that if you bomb the middle east, oil prices increase?

>>63886795
>>63886171
Wait, wait, wait, so he writes himself as some character in the 'Empire of Mask' who have a suspecitcally first half 20th century German army aesthetic?

>>63886080
>>63885911
There really isn't, inflation is real, but someone along the supply chain will always take advantage of it to price gouge and blame it inflation, which is super common in the US recently because you had companies posting record profit.
Still, OPEC just needs to give trump a big enough bribe and he'll just tell his followers to suck up the gas price increases.
Though, isn't it standard military knowledge that if you bomb the middle east, oil prices increase?

>>63886795
>>63886171
Wait, wait, wait, so he writes himself as some character in the 'Empire of Mask' who have a suspiciously first half 20th century German army aesthetic?

>>63886635
>To be fair a lot of the 'inflation' in America was price gouging
wrong
>>63886876
>which is super common in the US
profit margins say absolutely not
>>63886889
>you had companies posting record profit
a literal handful of companies posted "record profits"
that is, unless you adjust for inflation, and then you realise they're actually treading water
and that is "success" in today's economy

meanwhile the rest of the market has not recovered still from losses inflicted by Covid19
and you really don't want to look at inflation-adjusted figures
>inb4 literally the entire market is cooking all the books

>>63886795
There's an abundance of "elite operators and waifus" fiction available. Presumably the challenge is finding who can write both military and waifu scenes decently, as well as not killing yourself out of shame during the search.

Where is air defence?
Oh, here it is.

>>63887010
Personally I liked a different take on this slop genre by Devon Eriksen where the elite operator is some poor schmuck trying to eke out a living by doing a bit of space smuggling here and there, and the waifu is a rich, smug genespliced trust fund kid who tries to hijack his ship to do her bidding and things get more complicated.
It's kinda trashy but in a rather good and meaty way and the guy's a gunfag lolbert who lives with two wives and shitposts on twitter.

>>63886969
>profit margins say absolutely not
Except profit margins rose as well with it doubling other costs at the same time, when before that was inverted, heck it's been well established that companies continue to keep prices high even as their inflationary costs dropped. Also, the fact that the entire market cooking the books is even plausible, shows how bad consumer trust is.

>>63887010
I can't get over how unnaturally long the proximal phalanx in his trigger finger is.

>>63887093
>the fact that the entire market cooking the books is even plausible, shows how bad consumer trust is
the fact that you can't recognise a hyperbole shows how bad financial literacy in the average joe is
>profit margins rose as well with it doubling other costs at the same time
may we see it?

>>63887098
>the fact that you can't recognise a hyperbole shows how bad financial literacy in the average joe is
It's more proof how little trust the average joe has in the system that they see it's designed to fuck them over and they can just disregard what you say out of hand.

>may we see it?
https://fortune.com/2024/01/20/inflation-greedflation-consumer-price-index-producer-price-index-corporate-profit/
Also doesn't help when companies are being upfront with saying they're keeping prices high even as inflation comes down.

Also, try not to censor this, it would make people notice.

>>63887093
Inflation rate going down doesn't mean prices drop, it just means they aren't going up as much as they were.

>>63887041
That looks like a proper space kill.

>>63887041
looks like 1 video composited over another

>>63887041

>>63887041
this is so fucking cool

Iran surrendered, you can just do things.

Better put your jackets on there is a storm of turdie seethe and cope coming.

>>63887261
>Inflation rate going down doesn't mean prices drop
Not when the original justification for increasing prices was inflation, also when prices remain static or continue to rise while inflation goes down and the supply chain has stabilized, that's some 'The Moskva made it back to port under its own power' level bullshit.

>>63887041
Qatar?

>>63879487
look at that jaw
epstein's face is just gigachad with friendlier eyes

>>63885521
One (1) satellite in geostationary orbit is enough.

>>63887519
>Qatar
Yes.
The video cuts so I have no idea if it actually managed to defend against every missile or not but it is pretty.

>>63878879 (OP)
>it's already over
Yeah, nothing ever happens

>>63883853
>until somebody from the IAEA takes a look and says "shits fucked" or "nbd"
IAEA already said np. No increase in radiation levels outside the targeted nuclear facilities.

>>63887544
>The Iranian missile launch against the U.S.’s Al Udeid base in Qatar was intercepted, and the facility had been previously evacuated, said the Qatari government...
>Iranian officials told The New York Times they gave advance notice of the attack to their Qatari counterparts and saw the tit-for-tat as a retaliation for Saturday’s American strike on Iranian nuclear facilities
You don't even need to read between the lines, the lines are this was Iran's face saving move and they're pushing for deescalation.
Trump will be eager to be seen as a 'peace dealer' so he'll jump on board, the only question is Netanyahu, who needs to keep the wars going for his own political interests and survival.

>>63879143
East and west got noted but nobody knew who had bombs.

>>63887519
inflation is a rate
when the inflation rate rises, your currency inflates faster
when the inflation rate decreases, your currency inflates more slowly
the inflation rate decreasing does not cause deflation
>>63887535
It's really not, at least not if you want to constantly track Americas strategic bomber fleet in real time. Maybe if you're committing to just watching the one base.

>>63879483
You're thinking of Mi6

>>63887651
That argument only works if you're looking for 1 for 1 prices. The problem is prices are remaining static or still increasing when inflation is going down, when they should be decreasing even it's not at the same rate of deflation. Also, it really doesn't help your case when you have CFOs and CEO bragging to shareholders from companies like Pepsi, Tyson and Hershey all saying they're intentionally keeping their prices high as costs go down.

>>63879483
>>63887678
This Bong humor?

>>63887165
>Also, try not to censor this, it would make people notice.
wtf does that even mean?

>https://fortune.com
this is a conclusion based on bad data, comparing producer prices and CPI
firstly, CPI is understated; secondly, labour and overhead costs are not accounted for, and labour in particular makes up a huge chunk of inflation; thirdly, once again a handful of big companies are cited but not the rest of the Russell 3000

>>63887704
>still increasing when inflation is going down
because the inflation rate is still a positive number, it's just increasing more slowly than it was. e.g. 5% instead of 10%

I don't disagree that we're being buttfucked and price gouged by corps, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how inflation is talked about.

>>63887706
>>63887721
First off, the CPI is meant to show things are becoming static, which makes it look like it's intentional, second corporations have been cutting hours for workers. Second, labor costs are still down from the pandemic because corporations refuse to hire people for more pay so if anything you've seen the labor side of costs crash in recent years. Third, it's still a clear pattern so you can't just go 'those don't count'

Honestly I'm baffled why you're defending price gouging when you have corporations openly admit that's what they're doing. Is this a forest for the tree sitution, or some WaPo tier logic I'm missing?

>>63887788
I'm not defending anything, I'm just saying that expecting prices to drop across the board when people say
>inflation is down
is nonsensical and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept
It already inflated, it happened. Now its inflating less, but the rapid inflation doesn't get retroactively erased.

>>63885509
That was the initial production run, a decade ago; since then, production numbers have been classified. We don't know how few or many have been built since then.

Why didn't they use the b21?

>>63887865
That enters service in 2027

>>63887788
>Honestly I'm baffled why you're defending price gouging
because I don't see any evidence of it
and I'm a career bean counter, btw
a certain amount of "gouging" does happen, mainly because prices make step changes and do not follow inflation linearly
i.e. going up by 50% every ten years instead of going up by 5% every year
but not what is being claimed

>the CPI is meant to show things are becoming static
I'm not sure what you mean by that
CPI simply shows inflation

>which makes it look like it's intentional
Keynesians would LOVE to be able to actually turn a dial and make number go up/down but they can't
they've been trying for decades and they can't
the problems we're facing now is at least 25% fallout from their bungling attempts to control inflation

>if anything you've seen the labor side of costs crash in recent years
I've seen salaries for the exact same job hike as much as 35% pre and post Covid
obviously in some industries and jobs they are still lagging, but that is mainly because they're eating the losses / hikes in some other component of cost
e.g. by cutting costs / operations / stealth inflation, the company can avoid raising goods prices, and so avoid raising employee salaries

the macro reasons are obvious: in addition to the effect of war, we printed a huge amount of cash in the past 5 years, and we are now paying that down

>it's still a clear pattern so you can't just go 'those don't count'
if you've been anywhere near /biz/-adjacent discussions you should know that the only clear pattern recently is that the top 10 companies are making outsized bank and everyone else isn't

don't mistake me for a corporatist. I am 100% anti-consumerist. I feel we should all just stop spending and reduce our spending, which incidentally reduces company revenues and profits too.

>>63883839
Missing the random capitalization, quotes and exclamation marks

>>63884179
>>63884205
Chupa minha rola, viado.

>>63887962
>and I'm a career bean counter
>I am 100% anti-consumerist
That's a given since you're defending the price gouging by using every technicality and still trying to blame inflation for the current prices, when this is occam's razor, esspcailly since the people behind the price gouging have openly admitted they're doing it. Also
>Citing /biz/ for anything
The 10 top companies effectively own most of the brands Americans buy, trying to use some small buisness as a shield for the act of price gougers is laughable.

>>63887803
By that logic, once something goes up, it can't go down. Again, even if things deflate slower than inflate you should still see some price reductions, instead they are going higher or remaining static, that's a clear contradiction in the logic given. Which can only mean there's price gouging to keep prices artificially high.

>>63883761
Those are chinese people they fling unprotected into space for Winnie the Pooh jokes.

>>63883647
pretty hilarious seeing mutts are now zigger-tier when it comes to performative bullshit

>>63888107
>you're defending the price gouging by using every technicality
If you've already made up your mind, just say so

>>63888265
Who should I believe, the bean boy who's main job it is to defend the price gougers while spinning everything as not price gouging.
Or the price gougers openly saying they're price gouging and bragging to their shareholders that they're doing it?

Tough call, if someone says they're bombing me and suddenly I hear an explosion out back and see a big, smoking hole in my backyard, I'm going to be of the right mind to conclude someone was trying to bomb me and it wasn't some racoon that decided to spontaneously combust in the ferns.

>>63888107
>By that logic, once something goes up, it can't go down.
It literally almost never does. Inflation hasn't reversed or stopped, just lessened.

>>63888288
right
because CPI allows us to compare the cost of computers in 1914 vs 2022

>>63888279
>Who should I believe,
Your own preconceived ideas, natch

>>63888295
>Just ignore the direct evidence of the price gougers saying they're price gouging and pretend it's prejudiced
No, I think not.

>>63888288
The problem there is profit margins are still way outpacing inflation.

>>63886826
which one was it???

>>63884353
B2s are frequently forward deployed at Hickam, Anderson AFB on Guam or Diego Garcia, but those are pretty much the only places they will base outside CONUS. B2s going west isn't necessarily a sign of a strike, but going east is.

>>63883899
Because he makes things that would be handled by black ops in other administrations into giant spectacles because he doesnt give a shit about consequences, only optics

>>63888395
>>63883899
Also he just said this war should be called the "12 Day War"
He's mastered the art of throwing his own shills under the bus given they've been twisting themselves into little knots claiming this wasn't a war.

>>63888365
>profit margins are still way outpacing inflation
You're an ignorant fool.

>https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/corporate-profits-in-the-aftermath-of-covid-19-20230908.html
>If there is any anomaly to note, it should probably be that the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic has been characterized by a persistent weakness in the profitability of middle-sized publicly traded firms.

>>63888547
>Once again ignoring the largest ones, who control a majority of the brands and what people buy and how their line continues to go up.
Your damage control is laughably bad.

>>63883899
>Why does this retard always get the most important events of the decade?
I have a reading recommendation for you
>The Last Centurion is a memoir of one possible future, a world that is a darkling mirror of our own.
>DEDICATION:
>To everyone who has ever felt they were looking out over Hadrian's Wall while Rome crumbled behind them.

the author is an ex-paratrooper with a biology degree and in this 2008 published book of his he tells a story which main plot points include a pandemic spreading out from China in 2019 as well as the protagonist properly destroying an equipment depot hes in charge of on pullout from middle-east to prevent weapons from falling into enemy hands
the book is reportedly inspired by SARS outbreak, official name of covid is SARS-CoV-2
>John Ringo is considered the originator of the anti-political correctness slogan "get woke, go broke"

>>63888587
>I don't want to have Alzheimers at 40! Besides, most flu vaccines don't even work!

>>63888583
>it's the CEOs, they mind-controlled me into buying overpriced branded gear
>the money to buy this stuff at inflated prices? why it just comes from someplace

>>63888587
>oh, John Ringo, NO!

>>63888583
>I don't know where the money comes from, it just appears!

>>63888599
>Dude, just go to your local market, oh wait, those have been decimated because of decades of predatory pricing that get immediately reversed when they have total control.

>>63888611
Never moving away from trickle down economics, except for that time in 1990s, will do that to your economy.

That goes for all enemies of America. We can bomb you anywhere in the world and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>63888587
>>63888593
Is this supposed to be making the argument for vaccines?

>>63888629
There are several countries that would be able to do *something* about it.

>>63888623
>pay no attention to the growing annual deficit
>spending more money than you have certainly won't affect inflation amirite
>muh trickledown
Got any more liberal buzzwords? What are your pronouns?

>>63888703
>Resorts to ad hominem attacks because he can't defend a failed economic theory that's still forced on people as it further weakens the economy.

>>63884817
this tweet worked by the way

Americans couldn't even deal with the houthis, can someone explain to me why people are still scared of them lmao

>>63888757
you lost, faggot, the war's over and Iran's nuke program is gone and it'll be years before their ballistic missile infrastructure is back to pre-war strength.

>>63888780
We probably lost as well. All that money and those weapons should have been held back to use against China instead. Only winner is Netanyahu, he's extended his freedom by a few more years.

>>63888757
>why people are still scared of them
no one is

>>63888623
(You) have absolutely zero idea of what you're posting about. None

>>63889277
Two weeks eh?

>>63879301
>>63879340
If South Africa ever restarts their program

>>63887010
>Vixen War Bride
I'm disappointed, I want kitsune operators

>>63888547
Jeuss christ, they really ARE trying to kill the middle classes and consolidate wealth into an oligarchical structure.
What utter cancer, this can't be sustainable, this is effectively monopoly of profits

>>63888587
This is genuinely one of the worst books I've ever read. I bought it when it came it out in 2008 because I was in my Edgelord GWOT "Watch FLIR footage every day" phase, and even I remember thinking how fucking gay and retarded this novel was.

There's a part where they fleeing Afghanistan and Ringo basically sobs on to the page as he has the main characters blow up Abrams they have to leave behind while also talking about how indestructible they are. Then there's a part where the main character gets on the phone and starts yelling at random people for not knowing how to farm. I also recall there's an insane bit where he sucks off Wall Street and Dubya talking about the NASDAQ hitting like 35,000 or some shit because of his excellent economic leadership and deregulation of financial institutions.

I felt embarrassed for having spent money on that trash. It actually convinced me not to join the military because of how fucking gay he made everything seem.

>>63884629
>>63884647
Its a moot point in both cases, quantum effects mean that there can be no exact position and momentum for any given particle (unless it is observed) which means future interactions between particles cannot be predicted beyond a certain, maximum level of accuracy. This in turn means that a deterministic future is physically impossible and free will must therefore exist in order for the human mind to function

>>63885798
those poor fucking Iranian nuclear facilities, they didn't deserve to go out like this

>>63889348
>local 4channer has never heard of Soft Determinism

We already know that strict free will doesn't exist. It's been debunked philosophically and empirically so many times at this point that the only people who still cling to it like children are religious apologists whose spiritual framework demands they presuppose that there is only free will available to us and nothing else.

>>63885834
I can't answer that until we figure out which specific Greek God he slighted (and how) in order to end up this way

>>63885763
>replace bombing Iranians with bombing Russians
that sounds too zased for this semitic timeline

>>63889323
Consolidation is a natural trend that occurs as a result of market forces, with regulation being the only known (effective) means of limiting it and its consequences
Guess the one thing those oligarchs have been lobbying against and publically demonising for the past 50 years?

>>63889382
Monopolies can only exist within the framework of regulation
I can make uselessly vague statements too

>>63889382
NTA, you're fucking stupid. Consolidation occurs when new blood is prevented from entering the market. Major corporations regularly back new regulations, especially environmental, because a few million dollars a decade for them is all startup costs for somebody new trying to get in. You have the general gist that one wins the free market by making the market less free, but you are completely discounting the government's hand in accomplishing that. Preventing competition from arising creates captive markets that discourage good service and cause further government protection on "to big to fail" grounds. The only difference between a banana republic and a soviet one is if the oligarchs are also government officials.

That's not to go full AnCap, because adding violence to the table results in the same issue arising in a much more direct form. The market works best in a state of disarmed anarchy, where there is a constant inflow of new competition to place pressure on the established forces and encourage them to keep innovating, lest they lose their primacy to a more dynamic upstart.

>>63888703
>muh growing deficit
You posted a chart of the deficit without debt or percent of gdp, so I'll just assume you got your economics degree out of a cereal box alongside the decoder ring. You neither understand how the government spends money, nor how a good or bad economy affects deficit numbers. All your iPad baby brain sees is a big, scary number; a number that's orders of magnitude larger than the biggest number you can count on your two hands. I can guarantee this though: when the deficit and debt increase as a direct result of Trump's retarded tariff policy destroying the economy, any concern you've faked about the country's financial stability will suddenly dissolve into nothing like a raccoon with cotton candy.

>>63889406
>NTA, you're fucking stupid. Consolidation occurs when new blood is prevented from entering the market
Yes that's his exact point. Corporations will use their financial leverage to quash competition before they can get a foothold, either by undercutting or by acquiring and dissolving.

>Major corporations regularly back new regulations, especially environmental, because a few million dollars a decade for them is all startup costs for somebody new trying to get in.
Right, they spend millions of dollars funding deregulation candidates and buying ads about how regulation stifles innovation because they love regulation so much.

>Preventing competition from arising creates captive markets that discourage good service
100% correct, I'm glad you understand why monopolies are bad

>and cause further government protection on "to big to fail" grounds
so close buddy. Except the government bailouts weren't because of too much competition. Corporate leadership got greedy, then gave Uncle Sam their best sloppy toppy when shit went south. For example, Boeing thought stock buybacks were more important than putting enough screws in their airplanes. But they have so many defense contracts they didn't even have to swallow to get cab fare.

>The market works best in a state of disarmed anarchy, where there is a constant inflow of new competition to place pressure on the established forces and encourage them to keep innovating, lest they lose their primacy to a more dynamic upstart.
Have you ever read a book without pictures in it? You're either young or stupid, because United States v. AT&T wasn't even that long ago. The company was broken up for violating antitrust law and stifling innovation FOR DECADES. I can easily call you a cousin-fucking retard on this website because of the innovations made AFTER they were broken up.

>>63889505
>I agree with you about quashing competetion
>I agree with you about captive markets
>Akshually, let me agree with you about government propping up captive markets
>Akshually, let me agree with you about captive markets stifling innovation
Good, we're getting somewhere.

>>63889382
Megacorps co-opting and hijacking Small Government enjoyers and other related politcal philosophys has been a disaster for the average man and small-medium businesses, pay your fucking tax and your people well fuckers, at least the EU somehow manages to have the balls to occasionally punish them fuck me.

>>63889406
Interesting how megacorps always fight new environmental and/or consumer protection regulations tooth and nail. Is it some conspiracy? Do they like wasting money?

>>63889406
A captive market and a monopoly can easily exist in a state of total and complete market freedom, lolbert

>>63888713
>I can do le ad hominem but you can't!!
Very common hypocrisy
>forced
Oh noes I'm just so forced to buy overpriced gadgets and branded goods
It's the billionaires in my head innit

>>63889445
>You posted a chart of the deficit without debt or percent of gdp
I didn't bother writing out the implications myself because I wanted to see if you people would have the self-honesty and knowledge to work it out, or if you're just going to grab every chance to attack the messenger rather than the message
The implications upon inflation of prolonged annual deficit spending of over 5% of the GDP, mostly on non-capital services, should have been thought-provoking enough for anyone actually honest about challenging their preconceived notions
>Trump's
Talk about TDS lmao
You should have known better than to dpeloy that considering that all this originated from a post criticising him
But like I said... you'd grab at any straw just to avoid actual discussion of the issue

>>63889406
>Consolidation occurs when new blood is prevented from entering the market. Major corporations regularly back new regulations, especially environmental, because a few million dollars a decade for them is all startup costs for somebody new trying to get in
This

>>63889529
>>63889525
Certain corporations fight certain particular regulations which impact their interests
But they're very happy to hail regulations that raise the cost of startups and compliance and other barriers to entry

>>63889505
>Corporations will use their financial leverage to quash competition before they can get a foothold
Such as by introducing regulatory frameworks that are expensive to comply with unless you have economies of scale or have an incumbent market position
>they spend millions of dollars funding regulation candidates and buying ads about how deregulation exploits people because they love regulation so much
as well
It's utterly disingenuous to pretend that Democrats are "by the people for the people" and not supported by their share of corporations who benefit from their particular policies

>>63889524
>pay your fucking tax and your people well fuckers
High tax high welfare regimes and generous employee benefits raise the costs of doing business for SMEs. It is the larger companies that have the financial moat to deal with these
E.g. a 10 man company forced to keep 2 staff because of the combination of long parental leave benefits plus restrictions against termination must redistribute work amongst 8 people
Whereas a 100 man company forced to do the same for 20 staff can more easily redistribute work amongst 80 people
(In practice this means hiring temps)
>the EU
Is a fine example of how innovation and the economy can be choked out by over-regulation and high-tax welfare regimes

>>63889525
>always
And then Amazon will agitate for increasing the minimum wage, because smaller competitors operating on thinner margins can't keep up. In specific cases, any given company's stance on any given issue will depend on its own current and projected status, but on the whole anything that makes a company more expensive to run disproportionately impacts smaller companies.
>>63889529
Not permanently. A monopoly only becomes a problem when it ossifies and ceases to improve its product or service. The ensuing customer dissatisfaction drives demand for an alternative that will do the job better. Good customer service has a value of its own that mitigates the increased cost of a smaller economy of scale and props the new competition up while it grows. As its market share slips, the established power either adapts or crumbles. Whoever wins inevitably stagnates, and the cycle begins again.
AS LONG AS new competition is not being murdered in the cradle by insurmountable government-mandated operating costs and/or corporate death squads.

>>63887461
Iran cucked, Trump won…again

>>63887041
I want to call it fake because it looks so pretty.

>>63883879
There's not that many places on Earth that require a MOP to take out.

>>63883925
The B-21 is currently in production, so yes.

>>63889540
>N-n-n-no u...
I'm noticing you only let your mask slip when pointing out the fact that trickle down economics is a total failure. Very interesting trigger.

>>63889598
Over Under on netanyahu cucking him since trump is now begging in all caps for netanyahu to recall his planes?

>>63885892
>if this retard could just have anyone around him that could think maybe TWO steps ahead
lol I was talking with my dad about this and he described trump as someone who "plays chess one move at a time"

>>63890031
>avoid all actual economics discussion
>(not so) subtle ad hominem
>focus on the one populist catchphrase
so predictable

since you've conceded all other fronts, let's tackle the last
here's a question: can you explain why trickledown "doesn't" work in principle; and can you draw an actual line, in dollars or %, at which the tax policy should be set?

>>63890070
>Greentext damage control for trickle down economics
I'm still noticing.
Also this is where say it doesn't count or it wasn't really tried.
https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/economics/tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-only-benefit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics

>>63890196
>le damage control
>le noticing
what I notice is that you're unable to explain anything, you just make snide little ad hominem, take for granted that the buzzword theories you throw around are "obviously" proven (because, yknow, the buzzword exists), and do a quick Google and copypaste an article that appears to support your position without explaining it in your own words

I'm not interested in what LSE said. I want to know if you have a single original thought at all in your head.

so, in your own words: can you explain why trickledown "doesn't" work in principle; and can you draw an actual line, in dollars or %, at which the tax policy should be set?

>>63890238
>Just ignore all the data debunking trickle down economics.
I think not, the burden of proof is on you and 'nuh huh' or 'do your own research' aren't valid rebuttals.

You won't, but you should also look into the Kansas experiment, which was also heavily pushing trickle down economics. with disastrous consequences for the state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcLoBdkqxos

>>63890583
>the burden of proof is on you
and also on you, to prove what you claim is true
thus far, all you've done is post literally the first article that comes up when Googling "trickledown economics"

>'nuh huh' or 'do your own research' aren't valid rebuttals
that's not what I said however

I asked you for an explanation and all you can do is give me another link

anyway, here's a great actual policy in anti-trickledown economics
>https://www.businessinsider.com/rich-norwegians-worth-billions-relocated-switzerland-escape-higher-wealth-tax-2023-9
because it turns out the Laffer curve is not only actually relevant, we are at the tippy top of it already
and this is just one ultra-wealthy nation. what about the other European nations who have been pursuing aggressively progressive fiscal policies for the past quarter century? surely they're doing much better than the rest of the world economically, amirite?

>>63890603
Your own logic condemns yourself if the first results for a search of trickle down economics is that it's a failure.
You don't need to do anything else more than cite evidence that it's a failure given you can't debunk it. Also Laffer is a laughing stock.
https://itep.org/debunkinglaffer/

>Article about the rich hoarding their money in tax havens
Also, I'm sure the rich moving to Switzerland has been a massive boon to the country's economy by creating new jobs. Except their unemployment went up.

>>63890658
>Your own logic condemns yourself if the first results for a search of trickle down economics is that it's a failure
And you've revealed your logic: just trust whatever the first Google results say

>Laffer is a laughing stock
can you explain why, in your own words?
or will you just post yet another (top Google result) link with no further original remarks?

>https://itep.org/debunkinglaffer/
>their unemployment went up
the most simplistic of correlations is paltry "evidence" for a complex economic model
even if this evidence supported trickledown, it wouldn't mean anything and I wouldn't cite it

here's an equally simplistic one: the US has below-average tax rates of all OECD countries, has the most billionaires resident, which results in the biggest GDP and one of the wealthiest median incomes in the OECD of any major nation
by the terms of your own argument, this shows that US tax policy is superior

>the rich moving to Switzerland has been a massive boon to the country's
tax bill, that's for sure
and a massive negative to Norway's
whither anti-trickledown now?

for the third time, let me ask you: can you draw an actual line, in dollars or %, at which the tax policy should be set?
or are you simply stuck on a loop of "x+y tax rate = automatically good" forever?

>>63890707
Be glad he's not linking marxists.org. Actually now that I think about it, why not just set the tax rate at infinity? Then the government would have infinite money and could make everything free and no one would have to work!

>>63890707
>>63890823
>just trust whatever the first Google results say
Strawman intensifies

>in your own words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJI1p7cHhc
Nah, I'm going to keep citing works that debunks trickle down economics and point to the fact that you can't refute them
Speaking of that, the IMF also shows trickle down is a failure
https://psmag.com/economics/trickle-down-economics-is-indeed-a-joke/

>here's an equally simplistic one
To which a normal person will ask, why isn't the wealth trickling down and instead being hoarded by the rich looking at the income inequality and poverty levels.

>and a massive negative to Norway's
Going by your logic, Switzerland's GDP should be outpacing Norway's, especially with the rich all moving there, yet Norway's GDP outpaced Switzerland, in the same year of your article no less.

>>63890860
>Strawman
>t. if the first results for a search of trickle down economics is that it's a failure = it's a failure
>Nah
I accept your concession
>why isn't the wealth trickling down
but it is
if it isn't, why does every country that hikes tax rates above the mean always see capital flight, dead economy, and moan constantly about lack of investment?
>we'll tax the fuck out of those useless fucks! no I don't give a damn!
>oh no why won't anyone invest in our country?

>instead being hoarded
it's called "saving money"
you should try it sometime

>Going by your logic, Switzerland's GDP
Switzerland's tax bill, honey
you're not to good at reading are you, despite pasting so many links?

>yet Norway's GDP
is mainly financed by massive oil and gas resources and the investment of those proceeds in the AMERICAN stock market
Norwegians preach a good deal about the high tax system, except when it comes to profiteering off low tax systems

>>63891531
>Still can't refute all the data that trickle down economics is a total failure
I accept your concession and ignore your projection.

>but it is
Prove it, because all the data shows it isn't given income inequality is getting worse.

>it's called "saving money"
I love the fact you're resorting to semantics given the whole point of trickle down economics is the rich are supposed to be investing and hiring people with the money they're given instead of hoarding it. Way to reconfirm trickle down in a failure.

Sounds like Norway gamed the system, problem?

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>>63891578
tl;dr version
NothingHappens.jpg
F-22s got to do a mission, but were stuck with escort duty while already having air superiority.
Trickle down economics is a crock of shit

>>63891590
Wait what? F-22s escorting the B-2s? Okay fine I'll try

>>63891598
Unless the silhouettes they used are something else >>63878879 (OP)

>>63891606
It looks like some fellow bongs have spotted them shuffling likely to Jordan. I forget they even exist, glad they got to do something

>>63891616
It's a shame that even being allowed to fly is considered a win. At least they have a confirmed kill with that Chinese balloon.

>>63884063

The roads outside, now that the uranium is gone. They don't want them going back for anything. They held off from bombing the roads first to let them get the uranium out and to a safe place. Otherwise you'd just have uranium hexaflouride that MAY or MAY NOT be entombed, with no way to get back up there to handle it if it's the latter.

>>63889032
>All that money and those weapons should have been held back
It was fourteen bombs

>>63891578
>phoneposting

>>63891561
>still can't post a single original thought
>ran out of quick headlines to copypaste
lol
lmao even
>jUsT gAmInG tHe SyStEm
yet another concession accepted

I'm done toying with you kid
toddle away

>>63891864
>He's this booty blasted over the fact he defend trickle down economics and refute the mountain of information that it's shit.
>He's not even reading the room that the thread is talking about the bombing again.
At least be entertaining and tell us how you believe the Iranian nuclear program survived the bombing if you're going to defend quack theories.
And again, don't censor my posts, it would make people notice why only those go poof.

>>63883647
Someone anonymously leaked a DIA report that said otherwise and then the White House Press Secretary called them a 'loser'.

>>63878879 (OP)
I miss the old days when codenames were random nouns and not Ax body sprays

>>63891909
>tell us
why bother?
I've told you lots of things but you just refused to even acknowledge them; you just repeated your statement and pasted more first-page Google results without any original analysis
you're nothing but a copypaste machine
Chatgpt does more analysis than you do
>don't censor my posts
don't worry, if they get deleted mummy will buy tendies for you

>>63886171
He apparently made it to captain, actually.

>>63891980
>Said he was done
>Clearly isn't done
>Still can't come up with a valid argument refuting the research and data showing trickle down economics.
Still waiting for you to tell us how the Iranian nuclear program survived the bombing, come on, you can do that. Come on.

>>63891996
oh sorry, I mistook your troll for an actual post
carry on
I know you people like to have the last word so go ahead

>>63888757
Are the Houthis still doing attacks on shipping?

>>63892001
>have the last word so go ahead
Thank you, when you can tell us how the Iranian nuclear program survived the bombing be sure to come back.

>>63891918
Yup, the report says the bombing only caved in the entrance to the facility and set the program back by a month.
So what happened
Bombs were over hyped?
Bad planning?
trump?

>>63892752
The plans of the base are public, and we can see where the holes are. No where near the entrances.

>>63888674
They ain't done nothing yet. Keep coping, thirdie.

>>63893231
Because the US hasn't done anything like this to them.

>>63878921
f22 has been used in combat situations before anon (didnt fire a shot just like the b2 escort mission) like at battle of khasham where wagner got btfo by apache,f15,ac130 and b52.

The US military called the russians and told them to turn off the s400 they arent entering syrian airspace, just defending and asked for confirmation if wagner is russian. Which the russians said no, so the US went all in. The russians sent su30's and the americans sent f22 to counteract incase russia would help wagner on the ground. https://youtu.be/T6Ii45jxsLE?t=1035

>>63892941
Hit Cheyenne Mountain with MOPs and the first thing that collapses are the entrance points. The entire underground portion is going to remain intact though.

>>63886714
>Russian men are gentlemen compared to Korean men.

Grim

>>63894203
Cheyenne Mountain complex is also like 8-10x deeper than Fordow.

>Kuh-e Kolang Gaz La 4th site is still intact, and the already enriched material is likely there
What's the point if there's really another site under some other mountain

>>63885643
I have Korean friends, and from what I gather, the average SK doesn't know much about modern Russia, and the average joe might really have bought into the end of history stuff and regarded Russia as similar to Ukraine - i.e. reformed criminal-dominated ex-Warpact
the invasion came as a surprise and most Koreans still don't know what to think of it

on the other hand SK practically venerate St. MacArthur of Seoul and are very pro-US. it's somewhat odd to me, even keeping in mind the whole Busan Pocket thing
like you'd think Doug Mac single-handedly saved Korea or something