Can someone explain how logistically this wouldnt be a disaster? How would Americans deal with supply problems? This is worse than Vietnam, they would be completely encircled.

>>63880366 (OP)
Ports connect to your Capital dullard

Concernspammers are going all out.

>>63880366 (OP)
The same way they dealt with supplies during the Gulf War

>>63880366 (OP)
You sound worried.

I’m tired of fighting wars and not gaining territory. We should destroy their navy again, ruin their ports and, steal all their oil wells in the gulf to ransom at the very least

>>63880429
You forgot abduct all their women.

The actual women. Not the goats. They can keep those

>>63880438

>>63880429
We can always take a few war brides home too, looting their gold reserves would be nice as well

Start by blowing up the entire Iranian navy.
Pass through Iraq from Kuwait/Saudi just like the Iraq war, and control the south coast of Iran in its entirety using boat assaults and logistics, this cuts off all of Irans oil income. Defend the flat regions in the south from the mountain regions using 24/7 infantry drones and airstrikes. These routes are impossible to attack conventionally.
Slowly move from hill to hill using drones and airstrikes.
Carpet bomb every city and logistics center prior so they are borderline starving to death. Threaten Pakistan and the Afghanis to close the border, given the US would hold these regions easier it should be so hard.
Blowing up any ship and cargo entering from the north, particularly Russian ones.

Iran has lots of mountains, but most of its population is in one general area in the North West.
Once you capture an area for out civilians.
The time for peaceful capture has ended.

>>63880456
>Tonight, on a very special episode of "Saved by the Bell"...

>>63880366 (OP)
>How would Americans deal with supply problems

america doesn't have supply problems. logistics are literally our greatest strength.

It will be Afghanistan but worse. A decades long waste of time, money, and lives.

>>63880448
>Anon, have you come to save us from the ravages of Islam?

>>63880472
But why?
Just bomb the shit out of every port and refinery and keep decapitating their leadership.
Repeat every 20 years so your pilots get somewhere to test your shit or untill there is a regime change

>>63880472
>Implying you would maintain forces there
Easier to just cleanse the region of anyone even mildly upset with the change.
If the US decides to actually start killing civvies I guarantee you there will be no comeback.

>>63880366 (OP)
This will not be a protracted drawn out police action if we are involved this time. This president very much like Bush the elder will roll in withing his alloted time frame before congress gets to vote and act on it. This will be bombing. Strategic ground actions, an absolute deviation by tanks and a following sweep by infantry units. This will be a demonstration of total superiority followed by a re installation of the royals and a return to 70s Iran.

>>63880366 (OP)
It has been done multiple times with even shittier technologies.

>>63880502
lmao esl

>>63880502
I think you're overestimating just how much support the royals have.

>>63880472
Nobody's interested in occupying Iran so no it won't happen. At best you'll see continued targeted airstrikes and maybe an attempt to shut down the coastline so Hormuz is safe.

the reason why fighting against al quaeda or isis was so difficult is because they were guerrilla based insurgents paid by iran, meaning eradicating them would be incredibly difficult. attacking iran directly means they can't play the terrorist cell agains the usa anymore, they'll have to fight in the open, which they suck at. suicide bombers and toyota cars are ill fit to combat swarms of drones and missiles.

>>63880438
Honestly, I kind of want the goats. Do you know how hard it is to import new goat breeds?

>>63880472
US was trying to stabilize Afghanistan, stark contrast to Iran which they want to destabilize. They don't need to do much before the Liberals, Kurds, Arabs, Azeris and Balochis start rising up against Tehran.

>>63880508
We don't have any cool monarchies though. VIVA UNITED KINGDOM OF PERSIA!

>>63880438
>>63880448
>>63880456
>>63880481
>tfw no batshit crazy Iran gf who tries to stab you to death after handcuffing you for sex

>>63880508
I think you are underestimating how easy it is for a few well placed individuals with rolls of cash to stage a revolution. Its an old device and it works very well.

>>63880508
Just give free copies of (good versions) Prince of Persia to iranian population

>>63880366 (OP)
Do nothing. Iran is effectively neutered very few options other than mean words. They're also getting ass blasted by Israel on a near hourly basis. All these doomers never seem to have an answer: what can Iran do to goad the U.S. into a ground war?

>>63880518
Do you reckon they have anything worth importing over the varieties we already have?

>>63880597
Considering how much they have been fucking them over millenias, there better be at least couple of human-goat hybrids out there

>>63880549
Hot, but I'd prefer if she strangled me

>>63880464
>Carpet bomb every city
Congrats, you failed. You've turned the large portion of the country that hates the government against you and have created another nation that will create endless islamic terrorists for the next 100 years.

>>63880613
Oh, so that's from where those Trench Crusade artworks come from.

>>63880618
>Inshallah, Anon, just let me know when you want me to stop pulling the rope

>>63880669
I'd bust in her bunker alright

>>63880366 (OP)
It's basically a mirror match - Trump drops some bombs and waves flags, Iran drops some bombs and waves flags.

They can do this all day long, especially Trump who has the most powerful Tennis arm.

>>63880366 (OP)
Gayranians, Palifaggots, Rusniggers, and Chinkcucks on overdrive pleading with the Americhads not to destroy them.

>>63880669
No no. No tools allowed. Manual only.

>>63880752
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

There will be no war. The US military has been out of the war business for over a decade now. The Army is currently transitioning (or has already transitioned) into a non-combat organization, so war is off the table for the foreseeable future. What little the DoD is willing to do in pursuit of foreign policy is light bombing — as we saw in Yemen. The US may continue to bomb Iran in pursuit of a regime change if the pro-bombing forces in the bureaucracy gains primacy but it stops there. If they decide to keep bombing, they’ll do light bombing for another 6-9 months, with each time declared to be the most powerful and shattering crushing of the regime ever. Then, when the budget is run out too much the pro-bombing faction will lose ground and Trump will announce victory while the DoD pulls out.

You’re welcome, as usual, to my free future prediction service.

>>63880366 (OP)
If we go to war we hit the ports. The goal would be decimation then regime change. Decimation meaning 1 out of 10 needs to be crippled or killed. That means we hit the ports.

I will personally house Persian women refugees in my home.

>>63880366 (OP)
Just don’t waste time nation building

>>63880366 (OP)
What is stopping me from going full Vietnam on the land from the air?

>>63880516
Assuming we actually learn from the mistakes of forbidding any and everybody even remotely connected to the former Iraqi baathist government from having any legitimate role in the replacement government. Avoid that in Iran, find the people willing to play ball and utilize them alongside whoever is supposed to replace the current regime. Between that and not having any kind of buffer to work with like they enjoyed in Iraq, I think it could be done much better than it was done in Iraq, and certainly a lot better than it was done in Afghanistan.
That said just because it COULD be done, does not mean it necessarily SHOULD be done. I think it would be a dumb fucking idea, but then again I'm just some retard on an anonymous Malaysian RC car enthusiast's forum. I think now is the time to try to get the Iranians back to the negotiating table with some serious carrot to go along with all of the stick that's currently in the process of being shoved firmly up their asses. If a nuclear program is non-starter for anyone besides Iran then we need another approach if we aren't willing to execute a full regime change attempt. Given both Israel's attacks and now the attacks from the US, I guess we can assume is the position of things from all the relevant players on our side; and I use "our" very loosely here, for good or ill Israel is "our ally". So what's the carrot? Damn good question, but I think it could be done if Iran is willing to swallow some of it's pride and the US is able to convince Israel that there's only so much that can be accomplished from the air and stands firm on not being their good little golems to do the boots on the ground part for them.

>>63880366 (OP)
>they would be completely encircled.
By countries that hate Iran as much as they hate America. Honestly it would be fun to roll the dice.

>>63880950
>find the people willing to play ball and utilize them alongside whoever is supposed to replace the current regime
the possibility of actors "willing to play ball" with us being legitimated by the iranian people is diminished every time we commit an incursion like this though. it can be parsed all we want, but if we were in the position (i doubt america ever will be soon) we would tell anyone capitulating to the enemy to thoroughly go fuck themselves

Running a stable government in Iran isn’t hard. It’s a peasant kingdom (the large majority of the population are low-IQs) so all you have to do is provide welfare for the peasants, and they’ll stay under control. Nationalize (or auction off + tax) the energy sector to pay for the welfare and administrative state. The country cannot be given over to another peasant kingdom of course, it should stay under the stewardship of US administrators reporting to some Congressional management body. The administrators’ jobs is simply to manage the welfare program, assign their budget (taken from the energy sector revenue). The only real challenge is keeping the public spending trough out of the country and turning into a ruinous spending boondoggle.

>>63880366 (OP)
1. Won't be a "war." Bombing the shit out of nuclear power plants isn't a war.
2. If it becomes a "war" then it'll last 3 days tops. Iran doesn't have the military resources and their proxies have abandoned them.
3. Jizzrael wants Iran's nuts not us. Let those heebs have their way with Persia.
4. What small arms does Iran use anyway, and when will we see war trophies hit Ebay?

>>63880999
first of all, checked
second of all
>the possibility of actors "willing to play ball" with us being legitimated by the iranian people is diminished every time we commit an incursion like this though
I don't disagree at all. I will say though I could definitely be done far smarter than we did it in Iraq in 03'. We do also have the benefit of Iran not having the luxury of being able to prop up any insurgency groups that would inevitably form if their government was toppled via proxies in another country. I will say it does feel like Israel forced our hand at least this much with how ambiguous the true impact of their strikes were on Iran long term nuclear program. Unquestionably they did a whole lot of damage to Iran's military and likely dealt a significant blow to their efforts in the short term, but I'm skeptical at best it was a long term knock out blow. It left us in the worst of both worlds. Iran now had strong incentive to pursue a nuclear weapons program, assuming they weren't already, and Israel was (potentially) incapable of effectively neutralizing it on their own militarily.
I've never bought the Iranian excuse that their nuclear program was solely for civilian energy purposes, but assuming one were to take them at their word, I think now would be the time to try really hard to get them back to the table with strong economic incentives for alternatives to nuclear power, and by extension properly killing any possibility of a future Iranian nuclear weapons program. It's win win for everyone assuming Israel doesn't fuck things up by making the current Iranian government feel completely backed into a corner and causing them to do something really stupid.

>>63880950
>I think now is the time to try to get the Iranians back to the negotiating table
Trump is standing in a quagmire of his own making since he pulled out of the nuclear deal in the first place
Iran didn't even start not complying with the IAEA until the deal was already dead

How will the antichrist take over the world when he will be anti-American and anti-Israel (albeit flattering them at 1st). The US Army will be crippled like in BO2.

>>63880481
I want to MOP her pussy and ass

>>63880456
Big tech fears Persion women. It's why they're pushing this war.

>>63881117
>since he pulled out of the nuclear deal in the first place
once again I don't disagree. It was a dumb decision but good luck convincing his supporters of that. My out of the holster idea likely would have been far more viable had that agreement not been torn up, but we're in the situation we're in. It's dicey now, but I think there is still a path forward that doesn't involve us getting bogged down in another long term low intensity conflict of dubious at best benefit to the United States. It's a quagmire, but it doesn't have to be the same kind of long term one as we had before. On the other hand, Trump is both old as hell and doesn't have to worry about running for reelection again, so it's a crap shoot how poorly this could play out.

>>63880366 (OP)
if you're iran right now what moves do you logically have continuing to rebuild facilities and launch attacks is only going to provoke more action against your country.

>>63880950
If Iran goes back to western aligned, China and Russia going to be so pissed.

You all seem to have forgotten the Iraq Iran war. If they decide the war isn't over it won't be. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. It's a unified back to the wall highly religious people. Hopefully they hold off

>>63881426
Hopefully they don’t. The less they hold off the more of them die. They have almost 0 capacity for retaliation.

>>63881117
The deal was shit. The mistake was not enforcing a new one with harsher terms.

>>63881426
>You all seem to have forgotten the Iraq Iran war.
disorganized tribal spat, Iran has never in their entire combined cultural history experienced a proper war

>>63881401
I wouldn't go that far unless things end up under the most ideal circumstances, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an arrangement eventually coming to pass that cools things off for a while. The Iranians have just plain gotten themselves outplayed over the last couple years by Israel. It'd be better for everyone if they can accept that. Barring US boots on the ground, things will probably calm off a bit at least over the next few years, if only out of necessity. They've largely lost their proxy groups baring the shia militias in Iraq which can occasionally make a nuisance of themselves, but little more than that, and of course the Houthis, but I think they've largely played their hand there. They won't really have the weapons to spare to properly support anything really significant beyond what we've already seen out of Yemen. Between the fall of Assad in Syria, the total collapse of the command structure of Hezbollah greatly diminishing their influence in Lebanon, the utter devastation of Hamas and the Palestinians in Gaza, and the heavy losses inflicted on the Iranian military and IRGC, Iran's capacity to be a pain in the ass had been greatly diminished already. Long term, if they're allowed to lick their wounds, and the current regime stays in place with largely the same ideological outlook, they might be able to rebuild some of that capacity given time, but it will take time and it certainly won't be nearly as easy for them to operate as it has been over the past several decades.

>>63881426
we arent iraq. we destroyed the iraqi army in days

>>63881480
No it wasn't, I think bombing them to smithereens if they had broken the deal would have been fair, but telling them to go fuck themselves when they were obliging and then bombing them? Pure insanity. I guess we no longer care about the peace president stuff huh

>>63881510
Tbf blowing the hell out of Iran helps Ukraine a lot given the Iranian aid to Russia.

>>63880366 (OP)
Two weeks taco is not going to invade dumb ass lol. Air strikes is really all they can do and that will be that. Maybe some naval action in persian gulf to keep the straight clear

They will wreck the nook installations and call it mission accomplished

>>63881498
Is there a raison d'etre for the Islamic Republic after being dealt with such a blow strategically, such a shitshow? How far are we from the days of the rise of the Persian empire larp a decade ago. 40 years worth of efforts gone to ashes in not even 2 years. Its brutal as fuck.

>>63881522
May be true but the targets need to be kept strictly military
The moment ports etc. get bombed and the average Iranian is affected, a pro Western regime becomes an impossibility

>>63881388
I forgot about her.

Pointing to the Iran-Iraq War is completely retarded. It'd be like someone in WW2 pointing to the USSR-Poland War and saying "See! The Soviets are pushovers! German will totally win!"
And it's not because of time, one side improving, or anything else like that - but just different circumstances producing different results. In the Iran-Iraq War both sides lost any ability to gain any strategic initiative or tempo, so the war devolved into trench warfare. And that's similarly what happened recently with Ukraine. This isn't some inevitable consequence of one side being shit or one side being awesome, it's what happens in modern warfare when you lose initiative. It could happen in any war, to any side. And if your side is run by competent people, they don't let it happen because if they do then they've basically already lost.

>>63881522
It's a funny situation. Iran is largely just as helpless as Armenia was when they asked for CSTO to intervene in their war. To Russia's credit they have their own domestic shasneed drone knock off they're manufacturing on their own now, which according to some reports actually seems to be a good deal better than the original. Can't really get much worse I guess, but all the same it's interesting. Russia isn't really in position to help Iran even if they wanted to get involved any more than they were towards Armenia when the Azeri's slapped the shit out of them not too long ago. I'm skeptical just how much of an impact it will have on the Russian-Ukraine war at this point. though. Had this been done say two years ago, or even a year, it likely would have had a much bigger impact, but now I think North Korea is a much more important partner for Russia than Iran is, and that's a shit position for Iran to find themselves in.

>>63880625
Nope. By capet bomb I mean kill them all. There will be no survivors this time. They will be killed.

What the US is saying :

>>63881569
MIGA
https://after.io/holden-bloodfeast

What Israel is saying :

Though I disagree with attacking and being manipulated into doing it by Israel. It was nice finally seeing a proper attack rather than this pathetic Ukraine war. Not sure how on Earth Iran couldn't have known there were like 100 enemy aircraft in their skies...lol

>>63880950
you sound insane talking about another country like this by the way

>>63881613
okay

>>63881615
Aren't america and russia friends now? Why are shills angry?

>>63881579
he will never die.

>>63880366 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lewis_B._Puller_(ESB-3)
It fixes all of these problems. The U.S. Swiss Army knife of platforms. It's a FOB, a logistics hub, a minesweeper, a small craft launch and recovery platform, a helicopter landing pad all rolled into one.

>>63881615
>help me China, I'm winning!
Two more weeks until Xi gives Russia a bailout in exchange for them becoming his economic onahole?

>>63880669
Butterface

>>63881569
I want him to die a painful death just for using the interpunctuation of a 12 year old child. What the fuck does he mean, an 80 year old man using exclamation marks in triplicate?

>>63881746
Suck my nuts lmao!!! Is what he means.

>>63881736

Why are we getting involved in Iran in the first place

>>63881765
Because only the USA has a weapon like MOP and the platform to carry it. That's literally it.

>>63880780
Thank you. Thread over.

>>63881765
Because no matter which party wins, one fact doesn't change: the US is ruled from Jerusalem.

>>63880366 (OP)
>explain how logistically
I know, it's so much farther than Iraq.

>>63881426
>It's a unified back to the wall highly religious people

Even Tehran doesn't believe this as evidenced by the yearly riots and crackdowns that follow when their Sharia cops do something particularly retarded.

>>63880448
>you will get Persian wife while conquering with Alexander the Great

I'm not dying in a foreign country so that Bibi can dodge corruption charges

>B-but le axis of evil

Don't care. Take your neocon boomer retardation and fuck yourself.

>B-but le greatest ally

See above. Zero reason why I should pick Israel over Iran, both are brown sand people countries. Let them fight their own wars.

Funny how you maga retards elected him on a platform of no more forever wars and now are cueing up to LITERALLY die for Israel. Starting to think that your actual belief system is just how much boomer cock you can fit in your mouth.

>You're brown
Thanks for letting me know, foreigner shill from a brown desert shithole.

You just try and draft me and see what happens.

>>63881536
yeah I think that the underplayed part given we're debating an outright war between with the US involved is that the Iranian regime is already in fucking ruins. the hardliners have spent 40 years having a stranglehold on Iranian politics by saying they needed it to secure the state against Israel, similarly they spent tens of billions of dollars funneled into proxies under the assumption they'd help them in said war.
now look what that's gotten them, a proxy network that has vaporized with almost zero help beyond some efforts by the houthis (who can't do much due to their location) and israel bombing the country with imputiny.
if I'm a regular Iranian why on earth would I support these retards in the aftermath? hell even leaving aside the street there's going to be some serious infighting if this regime survives given the magnitude of fuckups
I honestly don't see the regime in its current form surviving this, either it cucks to the US which will destroy what little reputation it has left, or it goes out in a blaze of american hellfire

>>63880818
Now that's just sick. Of all the innuendo itt, you the the biggest deviant! You'd probably let them read a college level text, to, you sick freak!

>>63881396
Their options are limited as you say by their tech, being retarded, and being isolated politically on all sides geographically. Literally everybody around them hates them.

It's a 50/50 chance of missile spam at a random US base in Iraq, or trying to blockade the Straight. Doing that gets every single Gulf state in on the bombing and isolates them even more while giving the US free reign to bomb them to dust. It even pisses off China. The whole world becomes an instant enemy.

Attacking a US base with missiles and/or islamist militias from the area keeps it isolated to the US as an adversary at least. If US servicemembers are killed it has the added benefit of creating more political push back in the US where polls (yeah I know) keep showing nobody wants the US fucking around in this. Killing our soldiers really drives that point home even if it will obviously promote US retaliation. But they were going to get that anyway, might as well try to go down fighting and try to influence American polls while at it. They might also still have anti ship missiles left (unlike ballistic missiles) so maybe going for a US ship might be the tactic, even if it fails hilariously. As long as Iran can say they're saving face who cares. I think the recent UN meeting really droves home the point that Iran is completely isolated and either dies fighting or just sits there and takes it for a few months from Isreali bombs and does nothing. In any case, nobody likes them.

>>63881865
>You just try and draft me and see what happens.
when you run to canada I'm taking what little shit you have and selling it

>>63881851
There are a lot of religious zealots in the current government, but there are a lot of minority groups that are really unhappy. It's sort of a terrible hybrid of Afghanistan and Iraq in that respect. It will be interesting to see how these attacks impact the relations between those minority groups and the government whether they will pounce on the regime's moment of weakness or rally around one of the many, many, many different colored flags Iran likes to raise in response to stuff.

>>63881865
Why the fuck do you think there is going to be a draft? Why the fuck do you think there is going to be a ground invasion? For fucking what? 200 years ago, if somebody started shit, you'd kick them around and either take their stuff on the other side of the planet or take a lot of money from them. That doesn't happen now, so there is no need to go into Iran.

>>63880464

>>63880366 (OP)
disaster how? iran is weak af they got 0 chance

>>63881852
With a big fluffy black Persian rug under her skirt.

>>63880366 (OP)
US doesn't stand a chance

>>63881963
RIP Nimitz

>>63881876
>if I'm a regular Iranian why on earth would I support these retards in the aftermath
Regular Iranians don't have any actual influence over the regime. It's an authoritarian theocracy. It's the same with even the highest officials - "It may be terrible now, but if our leadership falls, it will become even worse: Iran may no longer exist, and I'll be killed too. Therefore, I must support the regime..." Same mentality in Russia. Same mentality in Iraq with Saddam. Same mentality in all these authoritarian monarchies/theocracies/whatever the fuck. North Korea, you name it. The civil society gets tied directly to the leadership, and after that, there's no competent (usually Western liberal) players left if the leadership is to fall. It's either authoritarianism or Libya-tier civil war.
Keep in mind too that Iran is 4 times the size of Syria by population. An actual unplanned regime change plus civil war would make the Euro migrant crisis of the 10s look like a family vacation.

>>63881396
>what moves do you logically have
recognize when its time to fold em' and agree to concessions in exchange for no significant further US involvement. Israel can continue to huff and puff as long as they want, but without the US there isn't much more they can do that they haven't already done. Then it's just a matter of playing the long game and developing a new strategy.

>>63881969
Yep. Better the devil you know. God willing, if there is a regime change, the bordering nations get hyper-militant about defending their borders.

>>63881969
>It's either authoritarianism or Libya-tier civil wa
well then you're 100% getting a libya tier civil war
but that said I think there are major differences with the others, unlike any of the countries mentioned Iran has had multiples waves of protest movements/minor uprisings that have created the kind of political class you'd need to see any kind of transition of power that doesn't involve an outright collapse.
The Iranian regime has been by far the most fragile of the bunch (notice how they keep electing reformist presidents even as they get cucked by khameni?) and I'd hardly call the iranian populace russia tier in mentality. to the extent any such rally round the regime effect happens its only in the face of outright american/israel bombing, not a domestic opinion

>>63881942

>>63881908
They can’t do anything. At this point all they are about is not being regime-changed. ALL peasant kingdoms are the same; the regime is just there to extract as much land rents and other exploitable wealth as they minimize the amount they must spend on the peasants. There’s an ideology or some other form of human resource control for the lower tiers of the regime, but those are the middile-class types who run the machinery and security forces etc; the peasants don’t care and just want gibs so there’s constant but low-level agitation from the populace. But the regime’s finances are all accounted for, load-bearing corruption is absolutely required because that’s what maintains the regimes. It’s stable because land rent incomes are usually stable, but it’s also fragile. If it gets kicked around too much it will break if the elites have trouble maintaining the nobility of the kingdom — and hungry rivals may rally the peasants and make a move to take over. So right now the Iranian elites aren’t interested in optics, they just want to stop being bombed and they probably hope that Israel will sooner or later give up. They absolutely will not do anything that guarantees more US intervention. Even in peace-time they only did one face-saving missile attack and agreed that everything was fair and square over what’s his face’s assassination. This is a weak regime that only wants to survive.

>>63880366 (OP)
bro has never heard of a military base lmao.

Persians are literally whiter than most western capitals, true heirs of aryanism, and this cannot be allowed to stand.

Hysteria about an invasion/occupation of Iran is just a tactic islamist shills use to try and discourage the West from defending its interests. It's the same as OMG WW3

>for years tankies and the Tucker Carlson/Scott Ritter defeatist crowd insisted bombing Iran would lead to the apocalypse
>Mass rain of missile death upon thousands of US troops, straits of Hormuz closed, simultaneous war with not just Iran but also Hezbollah, Yemen, Iraq, Palestine, Syria
>Russia, China, North Korea intervenes starting WW3
>Draft in US, American economy collapsed, activated terror cells spreading death on US soil
>Instead, Iran files a complaint at the UN and raises the Gamboge flag of perturbances

There will be no WW3. There will be no Iraq style invasion and occupation. There will be no Hormuz closure. There will be no draft. There will be no mass base attacks. All that's going to happen is Iran bitches to the UN and has some proxy launch a drone somewhere in Iraq before declaring victory to save face. Despite all its bluster and shilling, Iran is the worlds biggest paper tiger and will always back down in a dispute.

and sky is falling WW3 hysteria is basically just code for "the west has defended its interests again".

>>63881865
only ones being drafted are russians to die in putins forever war in ukraine lmao.

>>63880366 (OP)
Most of Iran is empty

>>63882049
>Hysteria about an invasion/occupation of Iran is just a tactic islamist shills use to try and discourage the West from defending its interests. It's the same as OMG WW3
Ah yes "the west"

>>63880389
At least for today, we don't even need to ask what blew up. And the ziggers and the assortment of turdies are struggling to cope with another Ziggerian ally falling quicker than Syria.

>>63880502
>deviation
I'm going to take a wild ass guess and say that Engrish isn't your first language.

>>63881720
He says that he will never die.

>>63882267
Recte dicis in hac suppositione. Num ironiam animadvertere potes?

There won't be a war. America's goals are accomplished. Iran's nuclear capability has been set back by nearly a decade, their proxies are all decimated, and they've been humiliated on the world stage. Israel and Iran will continue to trade rocket for the next two weeks until someone runs out or gets tired.

>>63880366 (OP)
>supply issues
ok
48 hours

>>63882039
aryans getting their asses kicked by Jews. Poetry.

>>63880502
Screencapped so I can laugh at this in 10 years when we still haven’t pulled out.

>>63880366 (OP)
okay so the boots on ground invasion youre imagining, get that out of your head because what actually will be happening will be limited airstrikes along with drone strikes to test out the US' new kamikaze drones on live targets. And actually none of that will be happening either as the iranian president will just be killed and replaced with the exiled prince who is more favorable to israel

>>63882710
The IRGC will kill that sockpuppet prince within a week of him being reinstated.

>>63881079
>1. Won't be a "war." Bombing the shit out of nuclear power plants isn't a war.
trump literally said he wants to coup etat Iran, it's time retarded amerigolem

>>63882720
not the US' problem at that point, war on terror is over, king terrorist is dead and replaced, then it's back to being Israel's problem and the status quo is restored

>>63882726
Trump also said he wanted to invade Canada and it has been 8 months and Canada is distinctly un-invaded. Stop taking what Trump says at face value.

>>63882731
>then it's back to being Israel's problem
Which makes it our problem. Retard.

>>63882733
he's literally bombing iran retard

>>63882737
He bombed Iran 8 years ago and we didn't invade

>we’re not bombing Iran
>we’re not assassinating the ayatollah
>we’re not launching a ground invasion
>ok we’re launching one but it is a limited operation
>we’re not staying in the country for 10 years
>ok we stayed 10 years but we won’t stay 20
>we’re staying 20 years

>>63882726
That's a job for the CIA, not the army.

>>63882736
>our problem
I'm Canadian don't bring 'we' into this, also I foresee... Obama-era type levels of drone strikes in the middle east.... no boots on ground so as to maintain falling popularity, air campaigns far easier to push.... And the vision is gone.

Yall niggas gonna look silly as fuck a month from now when it's back to status quo

>>63882741
>making salamis in iraq is the same as deploying strategic bombers and talking about cout etats
ok golem, thinking isn't your forte

>>63882794
Crazy how Trump has been at the forefront of politics for like 12 years and there are still people who think Trump means what he says. He just says stuff he thinks sounds cool. We're not invading Iran.

>>63880389
Yeah man we should just mindlessly accept what we're told from the president, trust the plan 2 more weeks.

>>63880464
Russian vatnik style "Smash everything" didn't work back in Afghanistan, it won't work here. The rest of the world does not like that kind of mongolian justice and when I say 'does not like' I mean
>Actively will work against you so as to guarantee they are not next.
And they will have a large percentage of Americans supporting them.

>>63880950
I actually credit Trump with being the kind of president who could have bygones be bygones (Or however you say it) and not pursue the misbegotten retarded notion of
>Hurf durf lets turn Bangalangadakka street into Parisian neighborhood with pretty girls doing selfies and metrosexual men. See Israel wanting to stir shit with Syria until Trump goes in, meets mister "used to have million dollar bounty on his head and was an AQ member" and goes
>Ayyy this niggas alright.

>>63881079
They use an eclectic mix of shit. G3 (maybe HK33? Mg3?) being the service rifle but Aks in abundance with the IRGC and so on. It's the usual third world hodgepodge of this and that.

>The commander of the IRGC Ashura garrison in Najafabad was shot in his car by unknown gunmen, but survived
>Then he was injured and put in an ambulance, and in the ambulance he was hit with a drone, dying in the process
Notable, as the Ashura garrison in particular are famous for their over-the-top torture and murder of dissidents. Tearing out eyes, tongues, etc.
Beyond modern Scud-hunting, Israel now appears to be aiming to deconstruct the IRGC. Which if regime change is on the menu is wise. The IRGC are more of an occupation force than anything else, they have to go before civil discontent can go anywhere.

>>63882749
>a month from now when it's back to status quo
If Iran sues for a white peace, sure, maybe. As things stand Israel is paving the way for fomenting unrest and strife. Which is quite easy in Iran given recent riots, the Ayatollah are broadly despised, and basic civil services in Iran are below sub-Saharan Africa in much of the country. Assad was overthrown with less on his plate.

>>63882821
>Assad was overthrown with less on his plate.

It is not in anyone's interest to have a nation of 90mil people in a shitshow situation that Syria is/was.
A destabilized and balkanized Iran is then a far more volatile situation for everyone involved which will create multiple hostile entities to deal with that will most certainly not be peaceful and amicable towards the west.

To even attempt to "stabilize" such a situation an insane amount of money would have to be poured in and no guarantee if it can even be done to begin with. And also all these entities will be supported by different interests so a forever war situation with daily atrocities.

>>63881563
explain to me how you are going to kill even a quarter of the 92 million without nuclear bombs.

>>63880438
Hey man goats are valuable
In some societies they are more valuable than women

>>63882850
You can do it but there is no point doing it in Iran as we gain almost nothing from it.

>>63881426
I feel like sign tapping the Adam Smith quote, but people lose sight of how wars begin when you please but end when the war pleases. They resort to vatnik style bombastic promises of power and violence as a resolution to the issue - even though that failed in Vietnam, failed in Afghanistan, failed in Iraq. What is particularly telling is nobody, from armchair experts here to leddit to news media to the son of the Zodiac Killer has any fucking thought as to the religious/ethnic divisions in Iran and how they might play into a day after. It's a bit like the ra-ra-lets-go-burgers shit we pulled in 2002-2003 and going
>A shia? A kurd? What like the cheese?

>>63881851
I don't disagree that the regime has a credibility issue, but to contextualize things apply this thinking reflectively back on us: Does all that wall-to-wall coverage of protests, be it no kings or fenatyl floyd, suggest that the overwhelming majority of Americans supported those movements? Or were they just vocal and photogenic? It's something you'd want to be sure of rather than just wishful thinking. Again back to my no ethnography question: Do we have an idea of how loyalties lie among the various groups? Is the regime stronger in certain areas than others? Like Kandahar was the epicenter of the Taliban and a really nasty position to hold, so waht's the equivalent in Iran? Who are the likely notables who would form warlords/factions in a collapse? Whose the Dostum Khans or Masoouds we can support versus the Haqqani network equivalents in Iran? How might the Taliban take advantage of the instability in Eastern Iran? Or ISIS? Will de-IRGC-ification be a problem like de-baathification?

Nobody brings that shit up. It's just mindless sloganeering of "Everything'll go right and we'll have nothing to worry about", or "It's all impossible a disaster we can't do it just give up"

>>63880366 (OP)
>This is worse than Vietnam
north vietnam shared a land border with china, which allowed both modern soviet equipment and shoddy chinese knockoffs to flow into vietnam
compounded by the fact that the US could not directly invade north vietnam due to fear of soviet counter-invasion in europe or chinese intervention into vietnam directly just like in korea

iran is virtually isolated by comparison, the only feasible land corridor is through pakistan
iraq and afghanistan are, potentially, corridors for smuggling, but they are not going to be driving easily bombed convoys of material through there in wartime

>>63880366 (OP)
>GROUND INVASION ME BRO
No. You'll get your shit bombed and like it.

>>63880366 (OP)
Don't worry, Israel says the Americans have got this.

>>63881426
At the moment Iran is (at least publicly) indicating they have no interest in diplomacy and by extension no interest in stopping Israeli strikes. Room temperature IQ individuals take this is believe that there has not been anything significant done to the Iranian nuclear program, as if that matters to Iran at this point. It really doesn't.

The real value and continuance in the Iranian state as-is has nothing to do with a nuclear program—not in the near and medium term—but everything to do with the suppression of dissidents and separatists. As such the first order of business for Iran should hostilities cease won't be plotting some revenge on the USA, nor even Israel. It will be to assess what damage has been done to monitoring of internal threats, and then destruction of those who may be presenting as abnormally threatening given current circumstances.

What that means is Iran is posturing, by not negotiating, that Israel is unable to meaningful damage the actual foundations of the Iranian state, the IRGC.
Given >>63882821 and other similar events flying through the new feeds even few hours I have my doubts. I imagine the Iranian civil government may soon, too.

>>63880438
That's always the most humiliating part for our enemies. Their women aren't abducted. They leave with the first GI who smiles at them and never look back.
>you WILL see your half-American niece's med school graduation photos

>>63880818
I support America accepting all the qt persian refugees. Only the women though, the men can fuck off to sweden or some shit

>>63882049
>the West from defending its interests
Which interests in particular are being defended by getting involved with Iran?

>>63880613

>>63883011
Israeli interests

>>63882049
This. Israel alone destroyed Hezbollah and Hamas. Assad collapsed on his own. Russia impaled itself on 20% of Ukraine and has already had one coup. Iran has also already been teetering on the edge of civil war.

China looks much better off I will say, and it would be foolish to think they are as weak as Iran and Russia, but if they up an collapsed like them I wouldn't be shocked.

>>63883011
Not having an incredibly unstable regime get nukes and ballistic missiles.

The lesson from the Norks is that you bomb them before they get it.

>>63883058
Norks have actually been more rational actors and less of a global pain in the ass as well. Yea, every decade or so you get their military doing something retarded and provactive around the DMZ or such, but largely they just demonstrated that they just want to be left the fuck alone and keep the global problems to minor and the occasional major criminal enterprise. Iran's proxy warfare was already a constant headache even before Hamas had their big day, and then instead of realizing that they'd gone too far, Iran doubled down by arming the Houthis so they could touch everyone's boats, which if you learned anything from watching the entire globe gang up on Somali pirates is a major no-no.

>>63883098
>Iran doubled down by arming the Houthis so they could touch everyone's boats
Israeli boats.

>>63883115

Please Jesus destroy the Islamic Republic so we can all have Persian war brides.

>>63880366 (OP)
Eglin Air Force Base losers going all out in this thread. Imagine being so useless you have to try to drum up support for a war so you don't have to go and find a real job xD

>>63883124
are you that psychotic retard who posted pics of his man tits like a year ago

>>63881346
What mean Anon? Who is the Antichrist?

>>63882819
how much they paying you? or are you a braindead thirdie doing it for free?

Can't wait for all the cheap, tight Iranian pussy we're going to get when Operation Iranian Liberation gets green lighted!

>>63880366 (OP)
It will be a disaster, Trump is a retarded Israeli cocksleeve, and his supporters are a cult.

inb4 Israel shills try to accuse me of being a zigger; international law and morality are not team sports. You are the ziggers of MENA.

>>63880438
>You forgot abduct all their women.

What's the percent of non-dark eye colored women in Iran?
1%
2%
It's got to be less than 5%
Dark eye colored people are soulless.

Are they actually gonna go boots on the ground though? I figured they'll just bomb some targets until Trump gets distracted by whatever the next person tells him.

>>63883167
>everyone is as incompetent as Russia
lol no

>>63883178
Current official stance is "I'm done if you're done". But this is Iran, when have they ever been done with anything?

>>63883167
post a gun you own

>>63883180
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/us/politics/iran-uranium-stockpile-whereabouts.html
>A day after President Trump declared that Iran’s nuclear program had been “completely and totally obliterated” by American bunker-busting bombs and a barrage of missiles, the actual state of the program seemed far more murky, with senior officials conceding they did not know the fate of Iran’s stockpile of near-bomb-grade uranium.

>“We are going to work in the coming weeks to ensure that we do something with that fuel and that’s one of the things that we’re going to have conversations with the Iranians about,” Vice President JD Vance told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, referring to a batch of uranium sufficient to make nine or 10 atomic weapons. Nonetheless, he contended that the country’s potential to weaponize that fuel had been set back substantially because it no longer had the equipment to turn that fuel into operative weapons.

>Asked by text later in the day whether he meant that the fuel stockpile — which is stored in special casks small enough to fit in the trunks of about 10 cars — had been moved, he replied, “I do.” That appeared to be the mystery about the fuel’s fate that Mr. Vance was discussing.

Of to a great start, zigger.

>>63883195
>call russia incompetent
>get called zigger

>>63883167
>destroying empty airframes
>never shows aftermaths
of course! and iconoclasm is an old ME tradition, sandn***** can't stop destroying history.

>>63881919
that's worth at least 5 ohios in land mass

>>63883167
still no war and you're still brown

>>63883204
You are a spiritual zigger; an incompetent, braindead warmonger with severe cognitive dissonance, endlessly coping about reality.

>>63883213
Putting U.S. armed forces into conflict = war, per the WPR. Trump did that, we are at war.

I'm still Irish-American and you're still projecting.

>>63883219
>w-we are at w-war!
Yep and we're merely 10 picoseconds away from receiving our draft cards! You're spiritually brown

>>63883241
>No argument
>Just ad homs
lmfao
You might as well not post at this point if you're looking to save face; you know a bad argument for your cause can do more damage than a good one against it, right?

>>63883246
Don't care. You're brown. Stay mad.

>>63883219
post a gun you own

>>63882744
I think iran is going to collapse a lot sooner than that
why assassinate the ayatollah?
the faggot little coward already fled the country, like assad 2.0
I don't think he's gonna get his old job back
regime change has already happened

>>63883178
Trump has literally nothing to do with it. Presidents commanding the military is just a cartoon and not reality.

>>63882839
>To even attempt to "stabilize" such a situation an insane amount of money would have to be poured in and no guarantee if it can even be done to begin with. And also all these entities will be supported by different interests so a forever war situation with daily atrocities.
all of that chaos sounds like iran will be a dumpster fire for decades then
I call that a win
either we get the clean transition to a new govt, unlikely, or something more messy
the more messy it gets, the more we can take advantage of the chaos
same goes for all of iran's neighbors
methinks iran's borders are going to start shrinking
I wonder who will start taking land first

>>63882850
>explain to me how you are going to kill even a quarter of the 92 million without nuclear bombs.
they're just sandniggers
they aren't very good at fighting

>>63882946
>posturing, by not negotiating, that Israel is unable to meaningful damage the actual foundations of the Iranian state, the IRGC.
>Given >>63882821 and other similar events flying through the new feeds even few hours I have my doubts. I imagine the Iranian civil government may soon, too.
taking out top leadership, meaning the most loyal and corrupt leadership is not good for the regime stability
is israel can keep doing it, how will the regime survive?
They have such a top down system by design, that they can't do shit unless expressly told by their CO. now that guy's dead
iran's inability to mount effective defense proves this

>>63883117
oof

>>63883168
>>You forgot abduct all their women.
>What's the percent of non-dark eye colored women in Iran?
>1%
>2%
>It's got to be less than 5%
>Dark eye colored people are soulless.
harsh, but fair

>>63883168
>>63883303
TRVE ARYAN WAIFVS FOR TRVE ARYANS

>>63883338
Friendship with Latinas ended; Aryanfus are now my imperialist fetish.

>>63883219
>I'm still Irish-American
You're worse than brown, you're a potato nigger

>>63883351

>>63883219
Micks are always the biggest bleeding heart libfags. Of course you would be opposed to taking a stand against violently anti-Western spergs who are being held in violation of the NPT.

t. Also Irish-American

>>63883219
>>63883195
>>63883195
>>63883167
What the fuck is your damage?

>>63881388
Every Iranian I know is neurotic as shit and super socially awkward as this autist was. Wtf is wrong with them?
>>63881426
They literally have no means of force projection. They can launch missiles at our bases and ships in the region and cut off shipping in the Gulf. Thats it. If they launch missiles at our bases or ships we have defenses for that and can respond proportionately by eliminating the launch source like Israel has been. Maybe add an Iranian general if they have any left. There is a good fucking reason their nightly attacks have been throttled recently. As soon as they use them they lose them. If they try to cut off shipping Iraq, Kuwait, Saudis, and Emirates immediately get involved in a very kinetic way and they cut off a massive amount of crude oil from China at the same time which means their economy collapses really fucking fast. They can’t do shit.

>>63880366 (OP)
well for one, the only thing the US will be doing is lobbing missiles and bombs.

>>63883257
But that's what I mean. If a general told him to do this, the next person he talks to might tell him to stop and then if he agrees with them, he'll just fire the previous general for being nasty or something.

>>63883257
Retard. The president sets policy, his subordinates carry it out.
>inb4 da joos

>>63882878
>Does all that wall-to-wall coverage of protests, be it no kings or fenatyl floyd, suggest that the overwhelming majority of Americans supported those movements?
No it was the size and number of protests that did that

>Seetheranians close the straight
>Global oil prices skyrocket
>Market shids and fards itself
>Sufa boys circumsink all the mullahboats
>Provide air superiority while American/British naval forces clean up all the mines

Now Israel is the hero. Perfect hasbara kapara

>>63883269
>methinks iran's borders are going to start shrinking
>I wonder who will start taking land first
That's what I suspect too.
I wonder if we live to see the UN ending up like the Leauge of Nations.

OH NO!!!! The undevoloped country has large paths made from an oil and rock mixture!!!

>>63880366 (OP)
just waste billions of dollars bombing them which doesn't achieve anything, duh

>>63880780
When does the war with Mexico start?

>>63880780
I agree but this prediction is so foggy I almost hope Trump invades

>>63880366 (OP)
What war? Only the nuke facilities matter and you dont need ground invasion for that.

>>63883650
No, you see anon, you have to keep repeating this so your useful idiots in western nations keep spamming it. You don't need to apply logic, just say a thing that on the briefest of moments seems fine and they'll repeat it. Same as Iran did
>We're making nuclear stuff for energy
And so their shills repeat that. If this is countered or is explained (and this takes years) that you only need 8% enrichment for that why are you going higher they go
>Oh well we're the largest medical suppliers in the region, we need nuclear power to make medical supplies
And again, useful idiots will repeat this. The fact that you need 1/10000000000000th of the power produced to make these medical supplies and you don't need 60% enrichment (which just so happens to be the level needed for a reasonable weight nuke) is lost. People just repeat that it's for power and medical supplies. The effort it takes to educate people (and there are only a few who are willing to be educated) is so large that it is pissing in the wind.

That's it. So keep repeating that this is WW3 that you're going to be drafted, that 'I got my orders to go to Turkey bros wtf do I do????' posts, keep posting about Jews and MIGA and regime change and on and on and on.

>>63880752
Even a crazy athletic steroid-using zoomer girl didn't have enough strength for that to be effective. True story.

>>63883658
Lets not forget the USA taxpayer.

>>63881079
>it'll last 3 days tops
dare I say a 3 day special military operation?

>>63880366 (OP)
How long is America's 3 hour special operation going to last?

>>63883650
nuclear facilities can be rebuilt sweaty

>>63883684
oh no what a problem that cant be solved in a day

>>63883553
Don't forget that most of MENA is unfriendly with Iran for any number of reasons (mostly because of the niggershines of Iranian proxy groups) and a fair few of them would probably provide some sort of covert aid to anyone fucking with Iran and/or Iranian proxies so long as they were sure their aid wouldn't come to light. On that note, I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Saudis taking the opportunity to get in some live target practice if Iran is dumb enough to actually start interdicting international shipping.

>>63883692
you know the B2 strike costs 2 billion dollars each right?

>>63883706
lol we are at the taxpayer section

>>63883693
Oh 100%, all the gulf states are quietly thrilled watching this all go down, once the IR regime falls the Abraham Accords will be expanded

>>63880502
Oh god, it’ll be as bad as the russian invasion of Ukraine

What war.
Hegseth's comments paint a very clear picture that we'd see another Desert Storm tier of operation and hand off what's left to the Israelis

Future administrations are sure to bumble and fuck that all up though.

>>63883338
>>63883361

My mom is Iranian and looks nothing like this.

>>63883219
>I'm still Irish-American

My condolences.

>>63883219
I always chuckle how people bring up Jews and think that Jews (and Israel) are somehow against Russia. No. They're for it. Reason why Trump has abandoned and screwed Ukraine over, because Israel doesn't want their people (Russians) hurt any more. It's why Israel told Ukraine to surrender. Russia not helping Iran is just proof that Israel controls USA and Russia and it's why Ukraine is fucked. It didn't have to be this way but Trump owes Russia a blood debt for the bailout in the 90's and he has to kneel to G*d-Emperor Bibi.

>>63880366 (OP)
No one's going to war, retard.
"If you break it you buy it" lolno
You can, in fact, just fucking break it.

>>63883776
this thing can't break the Houthis though

>>63883011
Not having a nuclear exchange between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, causing a devastating oil crisis in Asia, South America and Europe, and a minor one in the US.
This would destroy America's export markets, causing a large and long recession, give the US Argentina level inflation, and annihilate everyone's 401k simultaneously.
Holy fuck, you're a gorilla nigger with how little you can think of second order consequences.

>>63881963
kek

>>63880366 (OP)
>Israel and USA launches bomb runs and Tomahawks for shits and giggles when they feel like it
>Iran launches ballistic missiles on Israeli crop fields and posts on Twitter about potent revenge or some shit
>afterlife virgin enjoyers blow themselves up in European crowds from time to time
>repeat for 20 years

>>63883098
>>63883058
The funny thing is, Kimmy boy is actually making North Korea better. Now whether it will better the PEOPLE of North Korea I don't know (and doubt it) but he's doing smart shit.
>gives equipment and troops to Russia
>in exchange gets missile tech, gold, other resources and prestige (plus killing off low class plebs)
>He also asked for potato crop seed, hydroponics equipment and greenhouse equipment
>coinkydinky, Belarus had been supplying Russia with masses of potatoes to avoid a famine in Russia but the weather was shit last year so Belarus is completely out of potatoes now and Russia can't buy them on the cheap. Potato Man tries to get more production up to supply the Big Brother Bear but doesn't work. Has to open trade with 'enemies of Belarus' to get enough potatoes or altenatives to give Russia potatoes
>Meanwhile Kimmy is mass building greenhouses, hydroponics farms and planting masses of crops
>eventually Kimmy could become the supplier of food to Russia, which is constantly borderline starving atm
>Kimmy smiles and asks for missile tech, weapons tech and other useful things
Now one could say he is doing this just to get his nukes and AA systems to protect his regime, but it could also be a case of him reading the room and realising if he just acts as the peaceful farmer trying to improve his lot, he'll be left alone and he can continue his plan uninterrupted. Because in the past, the main way the West got Kim to stop doing bad shit was to give him loads of food. If he doesn't need food, he can't be bribed from stopping nuke development (or more specifically, miniaturisation of nukes, since he has them) so you have no hold over him.

Time will tell if it works.

>>63880502
>Ground actions
>Royal restoration
Come off it.

>>63882039
If they're so fucking white, why do they insist on cosplaying as Arabs?

>>63880366 (OP)
It’s doable by brute force air drops, it’s more the financial side that’s vulnerable. Historically you just rack up a trillion dollar bill and raise debt limit. Without the trade wars this wouldn’t even be a question, but now that the situation at home and abroad is straining typical invasion plans. It’s in both Iran and Israel’s interest to pull US empire into a ground war to degrade it. Just bombing and self-jerk with a mission accomplished is the smart move

>>63883858
Islamization and its consequences have been a disaster....

>>63882819
Trump is notorious for how vindictive he is. Main reason for the hostility against ukraine is his personal animosity with zelensky for him not trying to pin dirt on hunter biden in 2019

Hal of the retributions against universities are personal grudges and slights from decades ago

>>63883924

I wonder how hard he still seethes at Obama getting Celebrity Apprentice kicked off the air for a night to announce Osama bin Laden's assassination.

>>63882819
>I actually credit Trump with being the kind of president who could have bygones be bygones
Are you retarded, the only thing more iconic than his spraytan is how petty he is.

>Incoming war with Iran
lmao not gonna happen, nothing ever happens, America dropping the bunker busters is pretty much the end of it. The Military might launch a few strikes here and there but it won't escalate beyond that.

>>63883958
>what is normalcy bias

>>63883219
Black Dog

>>63880438
>t. Alexander III and Selecus

>>63884013
>Blackdog
Man, some of those old doujins were pretty nice.

>>63881963
The Israel Star Destroyer will avenge the Nimitz

>>63884013
Black Dog best war chief.

>>63882049
>and sky is falling WW3 hysteria is basically just code for "the west has defended its interests again".
Yep.

>>63880464
Why are you kikes always so bloodthirsty?

>>63883939
Well, concerning Obama, one of his defining moments for gunning for the presidents throne in the first place was obummer making fun of him at some dinner night on stage, in front of the crowd.

That and obongo being awarded the nobel peace prize for reasons eats at him so hard he is trying to make these half assed ""peace"" deals just so he csn win one too

>>63887028
by the time of that dinner Trump had already planned his campaign. He had tweets bashing Obama a month after he became president. afterwards he even posted these pearls

>>63880366 (OP)
Nothings gonna happen you hysterical teenage fuck

Thank You for your Attention to this matter!!!!

>>63881746
youre not on reddit!!!

>>63882850
NTA but I'd cut off or otherwise contaminate all water supplies. That's how so many ethnicities in the ME were genocided in the past.

>>63880366 (OP)
Dumbass OP doesn't understand that airstrikes are not full fledged wars. Look up the IDF's air operations in Operation Focus and Operation Orchard.

>>63888143
What a great leader.

>>63883058
>Not having an incredibly unstable regime get nukes and ballistic missiles.
Like Israel, Pakistan, India, and Russia? That ship has already sailed, literally nothing to lose by letting Iran have nukes too.

>>63883787
Not MY problem.

Coming back here to point out my earlier post and say I was right once again

>>63882049

>There will be no WW3. There will be no Iraq style invasion and occupation. There will be no Hormuz closure. There will be no draft. There will be no mass base attacks. All that's going to happen is Iran bitches to the UN and has some proxy launch a drone somewhere in Iraq before declaring victory to save face. Despite all its bluster and shilling, Iran is the worlds biggest paper tiger and will always back down in a dispute.

>>63888577
>These belligerent assholes have nukes
>Better let every other belligerent asshole have nukes too
You're a fucking stupid faggot

>>63888985
Israel fired missiles at Iran two hours ago, you dumbass. They broke the ceasefire instantly.

>>63888577
>not MY problem
Well it is, abdul, because you live in the middle east.
But for Americans, 20% monthly inflation and 10% GDP drops are a problem. Not that a moon worshipper cares for anything except gibs.

>>63880366 (OP)
They will surrender in 3 days.

>>63880489
>If the US decides to actually start killing civvies I guarantee you there will be no comeback
Well no, the entire world would cut off the US and its handjob-based economy would immediately implode.

>>63882726
Like two thirds of Iranians would support this (and they are mostly unarmed urbanites). The other third either support the current regime or don’t want America and Israel deciding who gets to be in charge afterwards (and these are the people with all the weapons). The idea that there could be a western backed coup without extreme bloodshed is a pipe dream.

Americans couldn't even deal with the houthis, can someone explain to me why people are still scared of them lmao

If anything only China is the real superpower since they haven't blundered in like 30 years.

>>63889483
>If anything only China is the real superpower since they haven't blundered in like 30 years.

Ever hear of the Century of Humiliation?

>>63889268
Followed by 5 to 10 years of occupation until the US gets tired, pulls out and the country goes to hell.
>>63889483
Do you really count as a superpower if your last military engagement was some 40 years ago and you lost?

>>63889487
USA lost badly in nam.

>>63889483
>couldn't even deal with the houthis
Are they still shooting at ships?

>>63889490
So did China immediately right after the US. The US at least conducted some successful military actions since. China been thumping its chest with nothing to show.

>>63883787
> We don't want Iran to have nukes
> better attack them which gives them more incentive to build one
> meanwhile we'll just let Israel commit genocide and bombing their neighbours

>>63889501
They can want one all they want. Good luck getting one with a forced restart on their tech tree.
> meanwhile we'll just let Israel commit genocide and bombing their neighbours
Yes. More dead Muslims, please.

>>63881579
Why the fuck Is his favorite TV Show not generation kill

>>63889501
>We don't want Iran to have nukes
Yes since if Iran has a nuke it is a threat to me in the US
>we'll just let Israel commit genocide and bombing their neighbours
Not my problem.

BIBI STOP PLEASE!

>>63889025
>Israel fired at Iran
Other way around. Israel doesn't fire missiles, they drop bombs. Iran broke the ceasefire first.

>>63889685
>if Iran has a nuke it is a threat to me in the US
Pray tell, how? Do you spend all day cowering in fear over Pakistan? North Korea? No you don't

>secure ports
>drive to tehran
>declare regime change
>install puppets in the government to run things
>leave and just fund them from afar
What will actually happen is we'll spend 20 more years pushing teenagers into landmines and drones while we look for shit to steal.

>>63889919
>while we look for shit to steal.
I thought US banned war trophies

>>63889716
Those 2 are already huge mistakes, like Russia, Iran being added to the list is not good, none of your arguments will defeat the fact an Islamist Theocracy such as Iran must never get the bomb. Prove me wrong, you cant.

>>63889963
US oil stocks are down over 20% this time last year
That's all you need to know if you want to know why we're doing this retarded shit once again.

>>63880481
Save? more like under new management.

>>63889984
but oil prices were specifically being pushed down to hurt the russian war economy

>>63889977
Nuclear armed Iran more of a threat to Israel than to America

>>63889984
The oil cope is retarded

>>63889977
Prove yourself right. They would not need to get the bomb unless they were not threatened by other religions nut infested nations like the US and Israel.Besides, there is still the M A D to take into consideration

>>63890143
>religions* nut infested
religioUs

>>63889716
Pakistan doesn't say "Death to America" every week. N. Korea is contained thanks to allies in the East but is still a serious threat.

Your logic is retarded. It basically is "you already have enemies that can hurt you why not let another one have the opportunity to hurt you?"

>>63888548
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE!!! GOD BLESS THE WORLD

>>63888143
War is canceled.

>>63890606
>"Death to America" every week.
Nice caveat. Who counts the number of times

>N. Korea is contained
How could you tell? You could not even point to the place on a map, and you are no doubt post-literate. You do not inform yourself of anything, and nobody has you on their need-2-know list.

The fact of the matter is, nobody would bother shouting death to america if you did not meddle in their business since 100 years back, and if you did not have a religious superstition centered around Pissrael. Read some books now and then, and not the fucking bible

>>63888548
>>63888143
>>63890613
>>63890879
What causes a President to act so unhinged.

>>63890606
>North Korea does not say death to america 24/7/365
Are you from an alternate universe?

>>63890895
Here, let me try to make anon's case for him. Any new nuclear actor is fundamentally a threat to the United States. Not simply from direct attack, but because each new player at the table exponentially increases the number of scenarios where a nuclear weapon is deployed, and any deployment of a nuclear weapon places the United States at risk via the breakdown of the nuclear taboo. This is why non-proliferation has been a cornerstone of US foreign policy for decades. North Korea was able to sneak their way to the table by maintaining the secrecy of their program up until their test detonation. At that point, the genie is out of the bottle, you can't do anything about that without starting a nuclear war, and by the grace of God we were able to get Kim to realize that he can't play fuck-fuck games with nukes the way he likes to with his conventional forces.

Iran's policy, on the other hand, has been to low-key threaten going nuclear. This is called a near-nuclear state, and consists of doing a bunch of the lead time to develop a nuclear weapon and then sitting on it. The advantage of this is that you maintain some degree of deterrence without having to go all the way. The downside is that you are a known threat. Without having my own sources in Iranian decision-making circles, it looks from the outside like Iran's conventional deterrent measures, the Axis of Resistance and its conventional ballistic missile program, have suffered greatly over the last 2 years and are no longer a sufficient deterrent to preserve Iran's interest. With those means faltering, finalizing the program and going nuclear becomes an increasingly attractive option. I can't say for sure if they chose to do it or not, but the situation was leading them towards it, but even if we afford Iran the courtesy of assuming that they will not be a bad steward of nuclear weapons, them getting one is still a bad thing for the aforementioned reasons.

>>63881919
>tfw I live on the lake now in Ohio and would live on the sea in Ohiran

>>63891008
Fair points. However, would it not be smarter not to be cunty towards them? Would it not be smarter not to mollycoddle the fucking Israelis and your local Jew and evangelical demographic for electoral purposes? How about enforcing a NPT for Israel too?

We already know you do not have the balls or ability for a regime change, and Mr Orange Grotesque has backed off twice now, every time after they launched missiles against US bases. So since making them stop enrichment is not within your means, why not deal with the stuff that is within your ability. Remember, you actually stepped back from your arrangements with Iran, not the other way around.

TL;DR acting like you do, you sure as hell aren't making anyone less interested in getting the bomb.

>>63890143
So you already memoryholed hamas-chan and the octopus Hezbollah, we can see through your taqqiya in action Ack-med.

>>63890895
>no they dont say it every week
>Juche was never a threat but you haven't stopped them yet

I'm pissed we don't get to see Tel Aviv finished off and ground to dust. Obviously the US strikes did fuck all and Israel decided to cut their losses after getting raped, just like with Hezbollah. They will spin this as a victory no doubt, but it's clear they couldn't achieve their aims. They can't even achieve their aims in Gaza, where Hamas still rules and is winning.

>>63891046
Hamas, that were propped up by Netanyahu as a counterpoint to Al Fatah? So you just made an argument for bombing Bibi as well as Mossad. Well done.

The objective Point of View outside of certain Brooklyn burroughs is to deplore Israel. Facts do not care about your feelings.

>>63891056
Muddled words betray muddled minds

>>63891041
Main issue is, no one knows really much about Israel's program, they kept it quiet exactly to avoid what Iran is going through, going full face culture has the issue if you don't really can backup what you say then you end like Iran, even worse, iranians never bothered having some "godfather" who will back them up against a major power, even poojeets and porkis had the good sense to court some nuclear power to protect them, it appears the ayatollahs being the religious nuts they are sincerely believed Allah will protect them.

>>63891070
>iran got its ad shrekt day 1
>nuke program gone
>most leadership dead
>but we killed 30 joooooos! Praise allah for this grand victory!

>>63890895
to be fair when I went to Nicaragua they shout death to America shit all the time and nobody has given a fuck about them since the early eighties. Hating America and blaming all their current problems on ronald reagan is how the regime gets away being a corrupt joke leaving their country to rot

>>63891080
>we are so dumb we listened to the jews
There comes a point where it's about not having the bare minimun of collective brain to survive, you have spent most his thread defending retards who will keep fucking over and over again and never learn, the day you consider our criticism without sleeping into logical fallacies would be the day kikes are truly in trouble, until no demographic bump, natural resource or fanatic ideology will save you.

>>63891104
Exactly. It is a nothingburger.

>>63891097
>their nuke program is gone you better believe me you just gotta
k. Positive thinking. Understood. Namaste!

>>63891041
>However, would it not be smarter not to be cunty towards them?
That's a lot of bad blood that goes both ways all the back to the Shah. They have also expressed a consistent unwillingness to bury the hatchet, and that greatly complicates any effort to smooth things over.
>How about enforcing a NPT for Israel too?
Israel's position is actually surprisingly similar to Iran's, with a North Korea twist. Israel's official answer to wither or not they are a nuclear state is "fuck around and find out". Similar to Iran, this creates a threat that presenting an imminent existential threat to Israel might just get you nuked. But like North Korea, Israel doesn't have weak point that can curtail it ahead of time like Iran's facilities. "If" they exist, and if you can find them, you have to hit them directly, and again, you've just started a nuclear war. Why things are that way mostly ties into their very precarious geostrategic position, and it would be much better if they formally declared their arsenal, but again, it's not the kind of thing you can force to happen at this point.
>every time after they launched missiles against US bases
Okay, this is a cultural thing, and it mostly comes down to the Western Christian tradition of justice and forgiveness. Trump hit Iran, Iran made a show of hitting back, and the US allowed it to end there. In the West, this is not a sign of weakness, it is taking your backlash on the chin and being done with it. Not holding grudges or being desperate to get the last reply in is a virtue in Western society. It is a good thing that Trump did not respond, because he is choosing to not prolong the conflict. The job was done, so take your pushback and move on. In both cases, if Iran had chosen a more heavy-handed retaliation that had resulted in American fatalities, then things would have gotten ugly fast.
>So since making them stop enrichment is not within your means
I'll wait for the IAEA's opinion on that.
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>>63891131
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>why not deal with the stuff that is within your ability. Remember, you actually stepped back from your arrangements with Iran, not the other way around.
I will have to look more into the JPOCA pullout and see exactly where the sticking points were. Hopefully we'll get to have that talk in detail some thread down the road.

>>63880787
I think we would seize the ports for logistical tail rather than obliterate them. That would probably be a very early, like day one of war objective for the marines / airborne.

If they have enough heads up the IRGC etc will mine the whole gulf though, which will be a bitch because our mine countermeasure force is like three guys in a row boat after years of cuts. Won't do much or any damage but will slow everything way down.

>>63880448
Reminds me of my pre-covid ex, a zorostrian girl from Shiraz and an engineer. Gorgeous and one of the only actually funny women I've ever met. Super neurotic though, like Jewish level. Very beautiful, miss her sometimes.

>>63880625
>>63880484
The supreme irony is that if the CIA/Mossad etc just stop fucking around with Iran the clerics would have been out decades ago. Everytime stuff starts to get dicey for the regime in terms of massive public unrest leading to internal regime change we go pop off and put it back another ten years. Fucking retarded. Like, just do literally nothing and it will collapse on its own, its only able to stay alive because it can credibly present an external threat. Take that away and it collapses super fast, no invasion needed.

>>63880502
Return to 70s Iran would be based in many ways, but the Palavis (sp?) are way too compromised by Israel so would never get public support. So if you went that way you would have to fire up SAVAK again and that obviously would lead you pretty quickly right back where you started. If there is a cadet branch of the royal family maybe elevate one of them if they are coming from the opposition inside the country, but the actual line of Reza Shah is toxic so you would have to get a different noble. His daughter was super hot back in the day though, the one that is a doctor.

>>63891131
It goes way beyond the Shah. It goes back to Mossadegh or further. You broke their normal political system, why be surprised when they shout Death to America (tm)?

As for Israel, if you were really concerned about the situation, and not as a way of getting the zionist vote, then work for a complete NPT for the region, and stop propping up corrupt Bibi, who would be in jail if he did not start new conflicts with regularity.

Why would IAEA know if you can stop their enrichment? Nobody gets access to Fordow anymore. It would also be gullible to believe they did not build the place to be out of reach of MOP bombs.

Thanks for your answers.

>>63891191
>It goes way beyond the Shah. It goes back to Mossadegh or further.
I'll be sure to make a deeper dive on Iranian history. But I still stand by my point that it is a two-way street, and that makes it very difficult to calm things down, because both sides have to want to chill out simultaneously to make it work.
>then work for a complete NPT for the region
Everyone in the region is already a signatory of the NPT with the exception of Israel, which, again, that's the point, and there's not a lot that can be done to force the issue. The whole scheme relies on saving them as a final vengeance, hence the Samson terminology used in unofficial circles, because any instance of use that doesn't come at or after the destruction of Israel leaves them responsible for shattering the balance of terror. Even if we take it as a given that the US is so thoroughly compromised as to run to their aid, Russia, China, the UK and France all have their own mirror of America's reasons to not want the taboo broken. Israeli nuclear use means the death of Israel, and that's a state of affairs that the world has at least been able to make do with.
>Why would IAEA know if you can stop their enrichment? Nobody gets access to Fordow anymore.
They're the only outside group that might ever get in, so I agree that we're in the dark until and if that happens.
>It would also be gullible to believe they did not build the place to be out of reach of MOP bombs.
The GBU-57 was developed after Fordow went online, and probably for the express purpose of taking it out. The Pentagon at least seems to be confident that they shut it down for a long while, because they haven't gone back for it again.

And I do need to run off to the wage cage, so I'm afraid I have to cut things short. It's been good talking with you anon, hope to see you again.