What are your thoughts on acog vs red dot for SHTF carbines and the larue LQD mount?
Like I think a red dot makes more sense for something like what happened to kyle or general hd or any scenario that is likely to happen and an acog only makes sense for muh red dawn but I have an acog and I have a sig romeo 5 kind of sitting around.
I'm thinking of buying mount related and then keeping the sig on my carbine and that way if something happens like the sig breaking or the battery dying or if I need to put it on a different gun for hunting or something I can just stick the acog on without needing to zero it again.
how well does the larue mount keep zero and does it keep the acog at a similar height to the factory mount?

>>63885259 (OP)
You're way over thinking this. Just get an ACOG and be done with it. It doesn't need a different mount and you don't need a red dot. Have you actually shot at anything other than white paper on a flat range past 50 yards? Red dots are trash for anything with any kind of range whereas Acogs are comfortably good from ~7-600 yards without having to touch them.

A $100 Romeo and $1200 Acog shouldn't even be in the same thought process.

I like my TA11/RMR combo, even if the RMR is probably unnecessary. The Larue mount looks cool, but I haven't been able to justify getting one. If you think about it, what is the likelihood that you actually need to take your ACOG off in a hurry?

ACOGs sucks because the zoom levels not on the same plane. LPVO or Magnifiers are the way to go.

all i know is that someday i will acquire the memecog

>>63885619
Retarded
>>63885564
Essentially correct except that I'd also add that most civilians have never even done a move and shoot drill or a stress shoot or anything. In a scenario where they have to shoot under sub-optimal conditions for the first time in their life, they're not going to be very accurate regardless of normal marksmanship or optic. So for those dudes I'd say ditch the prism scope and use a dot or irons or eotech.
>>63885612
I think the better question is, what is the likelihood that you would ever have your red dot actually on hand, for any situation which would justify this kind of swap? Who the fuck would stop to swap their optic when there's a reason to pick up their rifle and shoot someone in the immediate vicinity? And if you don't need to do that, why can't you just swap+zero optics the normal/slower way?

>>63885564
I already have an acog and I already have a sig romeo 5. the acog is already on my gun. I've done high power shooting competitions, fagola.
most defensive shootings are going to be within 25 yards, let alone 50
>>63885612
yeah that's why I don't have a QD mount. I don't think I'd ever want to take it off fast, but I could see wanting to ditch a red dot for the acog fast

>>63885619
what the fuck are you talking about?
>>63885678
I'd rather use an acog both eyes open than fucking irons and I have irons on both my target rifles.
I could envision a scenario where I need to put my acog on my gun but don't have time to go to the range to zero it

>>63885259 (OP)
current plan is to buy a 20" barrel and have a separate long barrel upper for an acog and keep the carbine with a red dot handy for general purpose shit

>>63885801
I figure this would be cheaper than buying a whole new upper. $200 all in vs $200 gets you what, a barrel?

>>63885809
yeah it's doubling the money spend, but I want a 20" anyway

>>63885801
A second upper will quickly find its way to a dedicated lower.

>>63885828
yeah obviously that's why I have a pile of those cheap plastic KP-15 lying around
but on a serious note, my carbine upper (w/ red dot) has been sitting separate for a while now because I've got the retro upper assembled

>>63885564
>>63885678
>>63885708
>People who have never in their lives trained for combat or been involved in combat beyond range LARPing
>Having this level of condescension and pretending to be an authority at all on the subject
lol, lmao, the absolute deterioration of this board by a bunch of mall ninjas.
Post DD214s and CIBs. Go on boots, let's see 'em.

>>63885912
a modern illuminated optic is way easier to use than irons, you have to be a fucking retard to not think that. especially in poor lighting. Why do you think all ccw guns are how optics ready or why slug guns and turkey guns are now optics cut or why marlin and henry make lever guns that you can slap a red dot on from the factory

>>63885912
Just get a fucking ACOG

>>63885564
>Just get an ACOG and be done with it.
>200 zoom and lighting and reticle options

>>63885912
I don't really have to justify my opinion, but I'll take the bait. I train, hike, and hunt with my primary rifle. I've had it in every configuration from no attachments with an Aimpoint only, to a full "DMR-eqsue" setup with LPVO, Bipod, backup irons, etc. Once I got off the flat range and actually started using my rifle on more than paper targets it was clear that Red Dots aren't great in low visibility situations with some kind of distance to them (i.e. basically anywhere in the woods) and LPVO's are too heavy and fragile when hardcore rucking over longer distances and adverse conditions. Acog solves both of those issues. It doesn't need batteries to offer illumination, and it is basically as (if not more) durable than iron sights. Once you're comfortable with the BDC (even when using at close ranges) there's not much reason to ever use anything else.

Just bought M&P 15, what's good optic for 100-200 yards?

>>63886123
sig romeo 5. or really any red dot.
a 50 yard zero then puts you within an inch from 50-175 yards and like an inch and a half low at 200 yards.

>>63886044
OP here.
I absolutely believe an acog is better than irons in every scenario and better than a red dot in any actual combat scenario.
That said, the most common use of an AR would be in an HD situation or a kyle like situation. in either of those situations a red dot would be better. hence why I am thinking about having the LQD acog so I can just remove the red dot and have a zeroed acog should I end up in a scenario like you described

>>63885912
I'm a combat arms 68W who's never deployed but has been in a while and shoots extra in his offtime, make of that what you will.

I do not agree with >>63886044 about red dots in the field, but I do agree about LPVO weight and fragility, especially when you're carrying and handling your weapon like a soldier and not like a fat civilian with a toy worth more than his bi-weekly paycheck. I do think that prism optics are generally better than dots for most combat situations; personally I prefer 3-3.5x.

What is competent outside the $1200 cost of a real acog? I don't want to pay more than $500.

>>63886433
One of the Primary Arms prisms, probably.

>>63886433
>>63886470
Yeah primary arms mainly loses points in terms of usability compared to an ACOG. Somewhat worse eye relief too but still pretty good compared to most prisms, including those more expensive

>>63886532
>terms of usability
I meant DURABILITY. Fuckin autocorrect

>>63885259 (OP)
ACOG master race. I don’t have experience with the Larue mount but it’s probably great. Look at Bobro mounts too.
>>63885619
Retard.
>>63885912
>t. 68 Zulu military working dog penis taster
Thank you for your service.
>>63886123
Holosun ARO

>>63885801
This is exactly what I did. I didn’t want to build a whole nother AR, so I just got another blank upper. One has my cheap 3-9x scope and the other my eotech EXPS0-2. They even share one BCG for ultimate poor mans set up.

>>63886177
Well said, I feel the same. ACOGs are definitely superior in terms of real warfare, but your average gun range goer is going to be more than satisfied with a dot.

>>63885259 (OP)

Mark Larue was ahead of his time. He needs to bring this mount back.

>>63886974
is that an acog on a lqd with a built in rear sight (on the mount not the one on top of the acog) and a red dot mount?

>>63886983
It's a TA01 on a larue mount that had a t1 mount attached to it. You can only see it on the wayback machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090222040711/http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=272

>>63885619
actually retarded take

>>63886022
When people say, "get an acog", they mean the TA31. Its that simple

>>63886022
TA31 is the one true COG

>>63886974

>>63885259 (OP)
Larue acog mount is based af. Zero reason not to get one for the locking aspect vs the oem screw unless you’re poor

>>63885259 (OP)
Depends on your area. If you’re a cityfag, and your biggest threat is bunkering down until the blacks stop rioting over Current Thing, then a good red dot on a carbine is a great choice. If you live rural or sub-rural, and your goal is going to be plinking at Fed scum, then you want some magnification, and an ACOG is basically king shit. Rugged, reliable and simple to use.

Either way, you should be determining what the actual biggest issue you’re most likely to face is and how you can plan around that. For example, in my area, wildfires are a much bigger issue, so having physical and cloud backups of my important photos, documents and info, taking steps to make it more difficult for fires to jump to my home and having an emergency bag are more critical than planning to grab my rifle and dome people. Just saying. Good to have a rifle set up to how you like it, but that’s only one piece of the puzzle.

>>63887171
Most reasonable poster here. The rifle should absolutely match your environment and expectation of danger. And when you can’t decide, just get more than one rifle!

>>63886044
I like your rifle, Anon. Tell me more about that setup you got there.

>>63885259 (OP)
why not both

>>63887087
>O results on google image search

>>63885637
out of all the memes the TA55 is the least meme. its got a great diameter for 5.5x and isn't that heavy. too bad its like 2k

>>63887087
Willis? Is that you?

>>63885259 (OP)
Those larue mounts are quite nice. Used them on my issued and personal rilfe. Honestly given what you want if I were you I would just run an ACG with an RMR or micro dot of your choice. I ran the ACOG RMR combo, until I remounted my RMR on my 1301, and switched out the ACOG with an eotech EXPS-3 for night shoots. the ACOG now resides on my SP1 for my 2023 LAPD clone.

>>63887406
The 5.5 is kind of cool but i wish they offered a different reticle than the chevron.
It feels like the most neglected out of all of them. Maybe the 2x is less popular but ive never seen or talked about either with a real person.

ACOGs are too expensive. Are there any alternative prisim optics that are just as good for like half the price?

>>63887772
used acog

>>63887787
But those would have depleted tritium, and also I just want a prism with an adjustible dioptre. I'm not a 19 year old private who had to pass a vision test to be issued his rifle. The ACOG is meant for young men, not people in their 30s.

>>63887834
>But those would have depleted tritium

anon the tritium is a complete meme, you aren't missing anything.

>>63887840
>you aren't missing anything.
Except for low light fighting capability.

>>63887860
even in low light the fiber optic picks up plenty of light, the tritium is superfluous. but you don't care you just want to farm engagement.

>>63887880
>even in low light the fiber optic picks up plenty of light,
And what if there's no light? Say you're indoors, shooting outwards from within a room. I do care about this.

>>63887880
>low light
>plenty of light

I have a fakecog that came with a fake Larue QD mount, nobody will believe me but it works and holds zero.

>>63887834
>prism with an adjustible dioptre
meme and unnecessary

>>63887416
:)

>>63888097
>Mmm yes I see everything
>No need for focus adjustment here

>>63888130
>he doesn't shoot every vaguely human shaped blob he sees
Ngmi

>>63888130
>I need corrective lenses
>this is the acogs fault

>>63887416
pretty sure it is cause he cyber bullied flip defense to meme this retarded thing into existence (I still preordered one)

>>63888353
I just got one of those over the weekend and it's pretty nice. I'm pretty sure it'll be perfect for lpvo's as well.

>>63887363
I don't have an RMR

>>63888392
you dont have a rmr, yet.

>>63887834
the tritium is a meme

>>63888353
This would ruin the FOV of the ACOG, potentially.

>>63888353
That doesn't mess with HOB?

>>63887954
get nods and a laser

>>63888477
That's too expensive. Like I said, I want something cheaper and better than an ACOG. Or at least equal.

>>63888487
>cheaper and better than an ACOG. Or at least equal
If it existed we would all have it.

>>63888507
It does exist. The ACOG is over priced because of the brand name.

>>63888417
>>63888469
It doesn't.

>>63888545
Remove that flash hider (which is already hindering FOV and it might.

>>63888469
Probably no more than those goobersgroup meme risers do

>>63888551
The flash hider also doesn't limit FOV.

>>63887954
Then you have a very well visible black crosshair.
>b-but what if it's literally pitch black
Then you can't see what you're aiming at, so seeing your crosshair is irrelevant.
>>63888526
It doesn't exist. The ACOG is fairly priced because the closest optic to it costs twice as much.

>>63886974
Never knew that existed somehow, that's pretty dope. What the fuck happened to him?

>>63888608
He's still running the company and beefs with Geissele on instagram.

>>63888565
That's physically impossible, based on what I know of lenses.

>>63888952
you don't know enough

Are you people just like pretending you don't know you can piggyback a red dot on top of an ACOG or what

>>63888976
At least I know how to capitalise sentences and end them with full stops.

>>63885259 (OP)
>for SHTF

If civilization requires significant rebuilding, the Prism. If it does not, weight's bullshit and the ease of dot use makes sense and is sustainable. Ideally you'd have one of each at least with commeasurate barrel lengths fit for their respective purpose/loads.

>>63888526
terrible bait

>>63888986
wow that's so cool

>>63888998
No. The Vortex 3x spitfire gen 2 lends credence to my assertion.

/K/ opinion?
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Green-T-dot-Sight-Offset/dp/B016QW8NMW/ref=sr_1_181?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-7jLdo3RiIlTIXDbjKAL8BuAHBzsLP4ASdEZkaCHdMK9RP-9gTYB23ByD7x5fOVYICA5CScyqi_FLhvfEYQOUpYDgegvSFpEEB1RyIzB4Ao98d-h3wY_wCog4A-2k0i_-dgSsPEypC1axyjQLAjGidS9EiEhZEmadBfy5iYW1msopeLWiOtNmwvseytENmeSQ-I8sBrh6hRi_ykO44vIPmfWbBYhwpMpA3MwgxeT7nqgU0rc1hl4VBl-JSoN4CRpbwI3b0A74nhUzWSPOO4H0cnBJ3RmALMhp-EQL2v-Z-w.Df483sd59Bjy-k00ATDgVM25VM9Nqqb08MURhPk0l_8&dib_tag=se&qid=1750744861&refinements=p_89%3AUTG&sr=8-181&srs=2603076011&xpid=lZQr8WYH65DdX

>>63887834
>>63888097
not that anon but I have to adjust the diopter on my PA prisms and Trijicon Credo, I'm worried that if I get an ACOG the reticle or background will look out of focus

>>63889062
Is that an affiliate link? Are you getting money for every click on it?

>>63889094
Sorry anon I dont know I just copy and pasted the url and this was copied here's a smaller url:
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Green-T-dot-Sight-Offset/dp/B016QW8NMW/ref=sr_1_181?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-7jLdo3RiIlTIXDbjKAL8BuAHBzsL

>>63889053
You've never used an acog and it shows.

>>63889053
>chinkshit
Look through a single through a single trijicon product before embarrassing yourself like this again.

>>63887271
Thanks. 16" BCM Midlength MK2 QRF Upper with heavy profile barrel, lower is a lower with LaRue MBT-2S flat trigger assembly. TA31 ACOG with MBUIS, Streamlight HLX with Cloud Defensive pad mount, and a conglomeration of Magpul, B5, KAC, and Houge furniture. Running an H1 buffer with a perfect 2:30 ejection pattern.

>>63889130
What are you asking, anon? The optic you linked doesn't even have magnification. Also don't ever buy anything UTG branded. It's made for Airsoft.

>>63889130
that's not magnified nor is the reticle etched. it's not even doing a good job pretending to be an acog kek

>>63887456
NTA but 2X is kinda pointless. Conceptually it seems cool, and in videogames it has a utility, but in real life 2X is just annoying and leaves you either wishing it was 1X or a higher magnification

>>63885836
>satanist lowers
Those are all gonna break on you eventually anon
>>63886044
Nice QRF build anon

>>63889773
I think 3x is the minimum power to make magnification worth it. The 3, 3.5 and 4 powered acogs are all awesome and you cant go wrong with any of them.

The 5.5 is in a weird spot especially for the price. Why wouldnt you just get a normal scope at rhat point?

6x is a meme unless youre a machinegunner or a british marksman apparently.

No thoughts on 2x but i want to get a babycog and toss it on like a tnp or modernized mac or something. A tiny 1.5 scope just seems fun.

>>63889810
>A tiny 1.5 scope just seems fun.
Plus is basically has infinite eye relief even though trijicon claims it to be short (under 2.5") so it can basically be used as a red dot

>>63885564
>Spending the same amount of money on an optic as your rifle.

>>63889821
>not spending more money on an optic than the cost of your rifle

>>63889821
Yes? This is standard procedure.

>>63889821
yes, that's normal

>brokie cope
>the thread
jesus

>>63889842
>he says despite not owning a firearm

>>63889845
Try again

>>63885259 (OP)
>for something like what happened to kyle
dude literally put himself in that position. if you're not retarded you wont have to base your optic selection around being in retarded situations

>>63889847
I'm sorry. Calling you a nogunz loser is an offense to nogunz given that ugly overpriced piece of shit you own.

>>63888952
It literally does not, FOV with or without flashhider is the exact same.
Source: I own one

>>63889819
Ive never shot with one but looking through it in the store it seems like a great choice for a micro red dot replacment. T2s are still like $1000, i know its not a 1:1 but id rather have the minicog.
Wish trijicon was more upfront about their testing loads for the bdc. Theres like no information about what its calibrated too unless you specifically buy one of the military models.

Do they still have the bible versus on them? I always thought that was a cool bit of character.

>>63886163
its a 2 moa dot, and at 200 yards that shit is going to cover the whole target. its possible to still hit targets but magnification is definitely worth looking at

>>63889863
>I am broke and will not be posting my gun that I definitely own and regularly shoot
Weird reply anon, I hope things get better for you.

>>63889862
>no one has ever been lynched

>acog has been out for decades
>people are still just now realizing they can be used both eyes open like a red dot
You dont need a red dot, but you should get one and mount it on your acog anyway.

Can you use an acog as an occluded gun sight? If its bright enough for the fiber to glow and i close the cap so i cant look through the scope it should be the same in principle right.

>>63889920
>>63889931
depends on the ambient light. if you have the normal acog with a fiber optic it can get washed out, especially if you have a white light with it. I'd rather use an acog inna house than irons, but a red dot is better at inna house distances or any distance you might reasonably need to do a self defense shooting
again, an acog is superior to irons at that distance and an acog is superior for actual combat

>>63889878
Well at least I'll still own a house along side my guns while you're still renting a shack for 1500 a month just yo pay off that acog.

>>63889960
>own a house
Congrats anon, after you flip a couple you'll be caught up in no time. Be sure to take a picture of your rifle on your acreage like I've done so you can share the opinions you've formed on the acog from personal use with the rest of the class.

>>63888545
>>63888555
I just thought cogs were meant to only be mounted at a certain height for the BDC to be accurate

>>63885912
>A 92G acting like hot shit is accusing others of mall ninja behavior.
Lol, lmao even.

>>63889953
>I'd rather use an acog inna house than irons
NTA but irpns behind a light work very well indoors. Why would you rather have an ACOG in that situation?

>>63890260
illuminated and better light transfer

>>63885259 (OP)
The ACOG in a LaRue mount is the ultimate carbine optic and that's that. It's really that simple and no amount of snowflake contrarianism can change this reality.

Maybe someday, something better will exist. Until then, the choice is clear.

>>63890405
what's the benefit of the larue mount over the oem mount other than the LQD?

>>63890315
Huh? The irons are super imposed against the WML, why would you need illumination? Light transfer? What light to where? You prefer a magnified optic over no magnification for indoors? Egads man, WTF are you even talking about?

>>63890476
>t. no gunz
peep sights cut down on available light, an easy way to see this is to try to look though it inna house or go look up how people use skinner sights without the inserts as it gets darker out. acogs transfer more light and you can both eyes open. plus an illuminated optic is quicker and easier than a front sight blocking half your sight picture

>>63890524
Pfffhahah! Dude, I've had cogs and other illuminated magnified optics. I've also trained indoors with them. What you're spouting is vidya tier firearm nonsense.
>cut down on available light
>as it gets darker out
>completely glosses over my original comment which i reiterated on the second comment
>super
>imposed
>behind
>a
>wml
If you're u farming 8/10. If not, you are a clown. God day.

>>63890634
sure thing there, no gunz

>>63890405
Seconding that question about the larue mount. I'm very happy I ponied up the cash for a 'cog, I have a TA110 on my AUG and shooting with it is so fun.

>>63889788
>Those are all gonna break on you eventually anon
that's why I have eight of them

>>63890469
>>63890864
I had a LaRue mount on my first ACOG (standard TA31), on my first absolutely standard 16" DI AR for 10 years, worked great, never had a problem.

When I got my SBR, I decided to get a LEDcog for the forward dot mounting position. I put it on, torqued it it as close to spec as I could manage with the thumbscrews and screwdriver slot, and took it to a class. It came loose in less than 600 rounds. Not 'optic fell off the gun' loose, but loose enough to slide back and forth a little on the rail. I had to crank it down way over spec with a tool to get it to stay put for the rest of the class.

Bought another LaRue mount when I got home and put it on. It stays put, it's easier to remove and install, and it returns to zero pretty well. It's just better as a mount than the OEM thumbscrew one.

>>63885259 (OP)
I've grown to really like the comp m4, but I really dislike the price point. Is the Romeo 7 a decent poorfag option if I don't care about night vision?

>>63888665
I mean why does he waste his time with retarded useless BS and faggot web drama instead of refining a meta-defining design that a lot of people would want?

>>63891302
Because he's a GenX small business owner. They have some sort of generational brain damage that makes them this way, and small business owners in general are prone to cringe and inflated egos

>>63886044
Noice

>>63887772
I briefly had the Falke 4x prism I got on Dvor for cheap, seemed well made, just wasn’t for me.

Is it worth it?

>>63891430
No. It's not superior to an ACOG+RMR/T2 despite being much more expensive.

>>63891430
arguing retard general doesn't seem to think so; take that for what its worth

>>63891430
>$3300
>topkek branded top dot
wdtmbt

>>63891273
I'm guessing you just like the large objective lense of the CCO and aren't particularly likely to go slamming the thing into walls, armored hatches, and other rifles anytime soon so I would say the Romeo isn't a bad substitute. If you do get NVGs in the future however you'll want that M4

>>63887087
Jesus fucking christ

>>63885259 (OP)
I'll probably be getting this. Better version of a piggyback essentially. I prefer shooting red dot rifles but ACOG is supreme.

>>63886177
Why not both?


https://flipdefense.com/products/o-f-f-mount-xl

>>63891430
Just brutal. I paid $1500 for mine from Eurooptic in 2019. Pass at that price.

>>63887171
Get both, start with the dot. It's good to have options/backups. I have a 16" with the COG and a 14.5" with dot only.

The dot only rifle is my main go to for where I live. The ACOG is more for larping in a "bugout" situation which is fantasy. Still fun though.

>>63886926
What do you mean "build another ar?"

All your gotta do is slap the upper on a pre configured lower. Two pins. Doesn't even need to be a "good" lower. I don't like having more guns than I need but that is a no brainer.

>>63886044
Simplicity is nice. The ACOG is simple. It's light, it has one magnification function and it's rugged. Can't beat it for a practical mid range rifle.

>>63887954
>And what if there's no light?

Are you retarded? If there's no light you can't see your target. If you can see your target, the black reticle is fine. I bought a used ACOG with good tritium and I don't really see the use for it other than it's neat. All the other options are trash. Either save up or quit worrying about something you'll never need.

>>63891701
>Why not both?
because one of the benefits of acog only is weight

>>63888469
Yes, but if you're already using a unity mount it's probably not that bad. Just aim at the top of the head instead of the middle.

>>63891430
It's only worth it if you want to clip a thermal sight in front of it. The 1x option is perfect for that. Otherwise go for the ACOG.

>>63891779
True, but it's probably worth the extra ~ 6oz. to have a very nice red dot.

I just briefly looked at the options for a t2 to RMR plate and it's $100. Crazy. Unity makes another one but only for the ACRO. $40.

I would certainly prefer a pistol optic over a t2 for the application. Piggyback just seems weird unless it's on one of the battery powered ACOGs.

>>63888353
I did and that is one of my ACOGs, he didn’t really make what I wanted but what he did do was make a better red dot solution for a fixed thermal which is honestly cooler

geez, been awhile since ive seen a thread filled with so much poorfag assbleeding. If you cant afford and ACOG just stay in your lane man. The ACOG has probably gotta be the optic that I am most satisfied with having purchased. It just does everything it is supposed to do so well and is so easy to use. Its not to heavy, has great glass, great illumination(when I even need it) and amazing FOV which I always thought was a meme feature till I got ahold of one and really put some time behind it. Its just the most delightful optic ive ever used. Im honestly really thinking of replacing the optics setup on my other main AR with another TA02 since its so nice even though my current setup is like 95% the same
>>63891701
>>63891842
6oz is alot and you are also doing this wrong. If you already have a TA31 then just stick an RMR on the rear bosses like a normal person. If you dont already have a cog then get a TA02 and stick a T2 on the front bosses which is exactly what you are looking for. If you need that front positioned dot then sell your TA31 and get a TA02. These new goofy mounts to stick on a fiber cog are an outdated concept that are inefficient

>>63887087
Holy based.

>>63891998
You're probably right. I already wasted money on this for my ta31...

https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/pma-parallel-mount-acog.html

But your plan has the same flaw if I want the dot in a more normal location. A TA02 weighs 4 oz. more than a ta31. Add the dot/mount and it's roughly the same. I'm already using the unity mount with a t2 style optic (holosun) on the rifle I shoot most so why not have an almost identical setup? I can even get an RMR adapter plate if I want to save 2-3oz.

>>63891998
The RCR looks right at home on a TA02, I have an ACRO P2 on mine that I like but I’ve gotten FUD due to seeing more than a few become delaminated/have moisture intrusion.
Also based LS grip enjoyer

>>63886022

there are only two correct options for acogs:
the TA31 fiber optic acog and the TA02 battery-powered acog.

the 1.5x acog is trash, no benefit over a red dot and it cannot be used with nods (circle dot is horribly blurry)

the 2x and 3x mini acogs are basically 'scout scope' levels of meme, if you want this just buy a primary arms or vortex microprism

the 3.5x acog is heavier, has worse fov and only has 'better' eye relief.

the 5.5x acog is cool but ultimately a dumb purchase

the 6x acog is a supreme meme, i would only want this thing on a mounted machine gun.

>>63892247
i will consneed that that 1.5x acog does look mega sweet on pccs

>>63892258
if you can find a TA55 for under a grand i would recommend getting it as long as you understand its not a meta scope. its not very heavy and has a great objective size but its really big and takes up a lot of rail

>>63892106
I think you are thinking to hard about it anon. Dont box yourself into a place you dont want to be in because it would require a vague amount of effort to get out of it. Puring money on top of your position wont fix it, or so ive learned. Just get exactly what you want/need
>>63892230
I didnt think I would like the RCR as much as I have, especially when I got it and didnt have the mount for it and was just playing around with it. The glass warping is INSANE on it, much like RMRs are as well, but after mounting it I realized its not really an issue since its fixed in place. It was replacing a holosun and I wanted to having nothing but nice optics on this build and imo it does feel alot better than the 403r I had on there before. The RCR gets super bright, like hurt your eyes staring at the sun bright
>LS grip
this one is the B5 clone one which I chucked on there to test out temporarily but found that I really enjoyed it a ton and never took it off. Ive got a real LS grip on another build and while they certainly dont feel the same, the new clones are excellent grips nonetheless
>>63892247
I wish they made a true 1X ACOG that I could stack on top of a TA02 so I could have ACOG squared

>only guns posted itt are from cog enjoyers

>>63889908
Kyle set himself up to be lynched and he only survived because he was armed, optic selection had nothing to do with it

>>63885259 (OP)
I have 2 eotechs and I'm going to buy an acog. I have a larue qd that they sent me for free because I bought the eotech from them. Everything larue makes is first rate quality wise. I have moved my eotech onto other guns and it still shoots straight.

>ACOG
> USMC "RCO"

The claim that the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight (ACOG) led to so many headshots by U.S. Marines in Iraq that it prompted an investigation stems from reports and anecdotes, particularly from the Second Battle of Fallujah in 2004. According to a 2005 Combat Arms magazine article by Richard Venola, Marines equipped with ACOG-equipped M16A4 rifles were so effective at scoring headshots on insurgents that some observers initially suspected executions due to the precision of the wounds. The ACOG's 4x magnification and illuminated reticle, combined with Marine marksmanship training, allowed for accurate shots at distances where insurgents often exposed only their heads while firing from cover, such as windows. After forensic examination, it was determined the headshots resulted from legitimate combat engagements, not executions.

No official investigation into the ACOG itself is documented, but the high number of headshots raised questions among Iraqi locals and media, as noted in online discussions and posts on platforms like X. The ACOG’s clarity and ease of use were credited for enhancing lethality, with some sources quoting Major General J.N. Mattis calling it the biggest improvement in Marine infantry lethality since the M1 Garand. However, the story has taken on a somewhat sensationalized tone in retellings, with no primary source confirming a formal U.S. military investigation specifically into the optic’s performance.

>>63892247
>3.5x acog only has 'better' eye relief.
Wrong. It's also the only ACOG with a reticle for 16 inch barrels.

>>63892814
>I have moved my eotech onto other guns and it still shoots straight.
What an odd thing to say.

>>63891430
not unless you're buying a last gen one
a machined in picrail isnt worth a $1000 pricehike

how are you supposed to use these things, looking through a 4x scope with both eyes open while moving it around at close range targets hurts my eyes

>>63892974
He was asking about return to zero. I can move my eotech on the larue qd between guns and my windage stays dead on.

>>63891437
I'm gonna TA02 and mount a holosun scrs on top with an adapter plate.

>>63893058
Maybe you're cross eye dominant.

>>63887772
Spitfire 5x

>>63893433
>5x
That would be great if every shot I'd ever take would be at 300m. Otherwise, it's too much for a fixed magnification optic.

>>63893433
this is the way
>>63893463
side mount the dot retard its natural and ezpz

>>63893463
Do you not see the top dot?

>>63893599
There's no optimal range overlap between 1x and 5x. You'd either use one or the other, but you wouldn't use the 5x until your target is well beyond optimal range for the dot, and vice versa. I made this picture to explain what I mean.

>>63893617
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>63893655
I'd rather have a dot and 4x prisim. Or 3.5x. Going above 4x is LPVO territory.

>>63893681
>lpvo
>ever
You mean mpvo territory. Lpvo's are a meme

>>63893996
You can get a good 1-8x and stick it on your 11.5" AR. The only reason to add a red dot on top is for passive aiming with NVGs.

>>63888469
I think HOB only matters the closer to the target you are

>>63891842
I feel like I'd rather just 2 eyes open an acog than deal with the weight

>>63891998
>geez, been awhile since ive seen a thread filled with so much poorfag assbleeding. If you cant afford and ACOG just stay in your lane man.
I'm OP. I literally already have an acog, I'm asking about getting a return to zero mount so I can keep a red dot on the gun and then put the acog back on without a range trip, fagolio

>>63892555
kyle did nothing wrong and those shots were easier with a red dot than an acog

>>63892814
based I have larue's trigger

>>63892845
no one doubts an acog is the superior combat optic. the question is, which optic would be better in a civilian defensive shooting scenario

>>63892856
my 4x acog says it's for m193 out of 16 inch barrels. though I have a crono and should crono it because I feel like when I shot it for high power I needed to use the 400 marker for 300 but that may have been sling tension

>>63893058
you might have retard eye. also the bac works better for flash sighting, unfortunately, like it works worse the longer you are looking through it

>>63894123
If I was referring to you I would have quoted the OP you stupid jit

>>63888526
I've seen your youtube videos.

>>63894224
you seem like you have aids