Thread 63891262

What is the most mechanically drop-safe pistol I can buy? I'm looking for something that can be thrown in a washing machine or off the side of a cliff with absolutely no possibility that a discharge will ever occur. Ideally there would be a mechanism that must be manually disengaged where a physical object blocks the firing pin from ever possibly contacting the primer. Does such a design exist?

>>63891262 (OP)
most modern pistols will break with drop tests than fire on a drop test

>>63891262 (OP)
Revolvers with firing pin blocks and transfer bars did that over a century ago.
If you're super paranoid you could carry with an empty chamber.

as long as you avoid sigs, tokarevs, and guns more than 100 years old (some exceptions apply), you're completely fine

>>63891262 (OP)
P320, be a man

>>63891284
desu it was only recently that I learned that people carry their pistols chambered
mfs put some serious trust on mechanical parts

>>63891303
carry a lighter around in your pocket for a year and count the number of times it ignites by itself

>>63891303
My EDC is a deep conceal of a P365 in a G3.
Due to the fact that I can chamber as I draw I carry it unchambered.
I carried the G43 the same.

>>63891542
>deep conceal
>sig
0 pussy

>>63891303
If you drive anything you put far more trust in far more complicated and far less reliable mechanical parts.

>>63891262 (OP)
carry condition 3. if you are this paranoid, you should carry condition 3, because otherwise you are putting trust in a part that you do not know the status of. if you really want to carry, but you are this worried about it going off, this is your safest choice, and on the plus side, it frees you up to choose any pistol you like.

Anything but a Colt SAA.
>Denver, April 26: Mrs. M. V. Sides, a young wife and mother, living at Bijou Basin, while dressing her baby yesterday afternoon asked a visiting friend, Edward Mackey, for his pocketknife. Mackey unbuckled his cartridge belt to get at his pocket when a forty five Colt's revolver dropped onto the floor and exploded, the ball crushing through a chair, the woman's right arm and into her heart, killing her instantly.
>The Las Vegas Daily Gazette, April 27 1886

>J.L. Houston, a teamster, while on his way to Socorro on Tuesday with his team observed his blankets sliding off his seat. In an effort to replace them his 45 Colts revolver dropped into the bottom of the wagon, and discharging shot him through the right arm close to his shoulder...
>The Socorro Chieftain, June 5 1884

>F.B. Hart, formerly operator at the Garison house in this city, but for some time in charge of the office at Gibson was brought to the hospital last night suffering from a severe wound caused by an accidental pistol shot. Hart had been out hunting on the river, and when he returned was in the act of laying aside his arms when a Colt's revolver dropped from his belt to the floor, the concussion causing it to be discharged, the ball, a 44 calibre, entered his right leg above the ankle joint, ranging upward breaking both bones, coming out the inside of the calf of the leg near the knee....
>The Sedalia Weekly Bazoo, April 14 1885

>E. Reyberg, an oyster digger, was accidentally killed at Point Roberts the other day. He was handling a 45-caliber Colt's revolver and dropped it, the weapon being discharged.
>Washington Standard Aug. 15 1902

>Yesterday, at noon, a miner named Penbrook, while walking along Granite street, accidentally dropped a Colt's revolver, which he was carrying in his hand, to the sidewalk, the weapon being accidentally discharged...
>Weekly Arizona Journal-miner Sept 26 1906

>>63891262 (OP)
I've dropped glocks several times and never had one go off.

>>63891262 (OP)
Literally every single gun with a firing pin block. (aka 99.998% of handguns)

You're welcome.

>>63891830
>did not have the objectively reliablesafety notch engaged
>dogshit holsters

Sure , blame the gun

>>63891262 (OP)
Beretta 92fs with slide safety on. The safety is a firing pin block and firing pin is completely disengaged and blocked

>>63891293
When you think about it, Sigs have a lot in common with guns from the 19th century.
>questionable metallurgy
>tolerances all over the place
>sometimes goes off randomly
>can't sue the manufacturer if this happens

>>63892213
>Dogshit holsters
That was indeed a major part of the problem. But, the safety notch on those old colts was never trustworthy. They often broke. Even back in the day people did not trust it, and often carried hammer down on an empty chamber.

>>63895076
>often carried hammer down on an empty chamber.
And yes, I have a period source for that.

But you're not wrong that bad holsters or general dumbassery were the real problem:

>Friday night Ed Dolsen shot and killed Jessie Walton in a bagnio at Pendleton. Dolsen [...] was slightly intoxicated and was flourishing a big Colt's revolver in a reckless manner and dropped it on the floor. Witnesses said it was discharged when it struck the floor, the ball striking the girl in the mouth and passing out the top of her head killing her instantly...
>The Kootenai Herald August 19 1893

>While out trapping on Red river, below Garland City, on Tuesday of last week, Mr. Sam Arnot dropped his large Colt's revolver (44 calibre) from belt, jar discharging it, and ball passed entirely through his body near the left nipple. He was stooping over, doing something in camp, at the time the accident occurred...
>Nevada County Picayune Nov. 20, 1890

>A. Reed, well known in and about Titusville, met with a severe accident after returning from the circus Saturday evening. He had just reached home, and while leaning over a window sill, a Colt's revolver of 44 caliber dropped from his coat pocket and was discharged. The ball entered the back of the ankle and plowed its way upward and forward, shattered both bones in the leg, and came out the front where its force was spent and it dropped to the floor...
>The Morning News Savannah Ga. January 12 1899

>...Laughlin, who is a camp tender for the sheepmen ranging stock in the Blue mountains, with two companions, descended into a deep canyon during the search Wednesday, and while stooping over for a drink, his Colts revolver dropped from his belt to the ground. The hammer struck a rock, exploding the cartridge. The bullet entered just below the heart, passed through the lungs, and out at the back below the shoulder.
>The Athena press, July 20 1906

>>63891830
Should’ve bought an Iver Johnson!

>>63891542
>I can chamber as I draw
Ah, the Israeli Carry fantasy. Jesus, y’all.

>>63895257
>Jesus
He was a cowboy you know. Only it tweren't no horse he was ridin', nossir he rode the word of the Lord. And his lasso weren't no rope neither, it was the Holy Covenant. Why'd he carry a six shooter? Because Man was created on the sixth day. His Chaps of Faith protected him from the devil's thorns. and that's the truth, son.

>>63895470
The word of the lord looks strikingly similar to an ass.

>>63891262 (OP) FEG GKK45 has a little bar on it that physically blocks the hammer from striking when on safe.

>>63891262 (OP)
Glock

Ye olde 1911 addresses this several ways: Cocked and locked, unless you grip the pistol, drop the safety and pull the trigger, the odds of anything striking the firing pin directly and hard enough to overcome the firing pin spring is so astronomically low as to be nearly impossible. Half cock, as I stated but even more astronomically lower. Hammer down. Forget it, nothing short of pulling the hammer back will even begin to give a chance for the weapon to fire. The handgrip safety addresses a bunch, hammer position and the safety addresses the rest and the firing pin spring ends the discussion..

>>63891262 (OP)
Just get an HK P30. IIRC the factory pull on the DA trigger is something like 12lbs, AND you can get it with a manual safety, AND a decocker button. You can carry it hammer down, safety on and there is no physical way for either the firing pin to strike the primer without the trigger moving the firing pin block out of the way, or for the hammer to somehow hit the firing pin on its own with enough inertia to cause an AD. Even if you want to carry cocked and locked, you don't need to go anywhere near the trigger to decock it.

>>63897803
You can get most Series 70 1911s to go off pretty consistently if you drop them from 6+ ft muzzle down on concrete.

Is this really important? No imo, it’s kind of a nothingburger, the bullet is literally traveling into the ground, but some people think it’s a big deal, maybe because they don’t realize that this doesn’t happen when the muzzle is pointed up.

Anyways the Series 80 safety prevents that and creates what is one of the most redundantly safe semiauto designs out there. It comes with its own complications and is not worth it overall if you ask me but it’s got safeties in abundance. (You can even add more in the form of a titanium firing pin and/or a double extra firing pin spring and the Christiansen FallArrest if you’re REALLY anal about it, but this is just moving into the realm of absurdity.)