Is this the C-130 of the 21st Century? NATO seems to love it despite being not from a western country.

>>63891700 (OP)
I would like to see heavy lifters move to airship design and electric power.

>>63891713
>Airship mentioned
>Friend for life found
I would give everything to have fancy airships from the 1920's return. I don't care if planes are faster, those are pure kino.

>>63891700 (OP)
Considering the C-130 is in use by more countries...

>>63891713
Isn't there a few companies developing Hybrid powerplants fueled by Hydrogen?

>>63891732
>Friend for life found
I will be your friend, friend.
>>63891795
Probably.

>>63891732
This is now a Crimson Skies thread.

Being serious for a moment, there are so many issues with Zeppelins it's not even fun: an effective lifting gas is either dangerous (ammonia, hydrogen, etc) or obscenely expensive, not to mention no material can effectively stop the lightest gasses from escaping. In theory airship would be amazing for ASW, but due to size and the required lightness they're vulnerable to bad weather, not to mention they're a fuckhuge target waiting to get shot down.
>>63891795
I genuinely don't get all this hype for hydrogen. In practical terms it's a bitch to store and has awful energy density, none of which can be improved by technology because that's just physical limitations.

>>63891837
>none of which can be improved by technology because that's just physical limitations.
>until Mr. FUSION came out

>>63891795
there's hydrogen cars and refueling stations in cali, but the tech's a little bit in it's infancy. the cars seem to work, relatively cheap fuel wise, clean, but refueling infrastructure is basically west coast only afaik. until there's a military contract behind one i don't expect we'll see much of it anywhere. Airbus is the furthest along that I'm aware of for aviation, claiming they'll have them in operation by 2040.

>>63891837
>I genuinely don't get all this hype for hydrogen.

It's clean and it's a viable option against petroleum and EV's.

Toyota is one of the companies who are investing heavily into H2 ICE.

>>63891852
Yep, on cars it's getting closer to be more viable. Which is a great thing since we might actually get back big engines but now they produce "zero" pollution.

>>63891852
>Airbus is the furthest along
It will look like this.

>>63891865
flying wings and ammonia as hydrogen carrier are far more probable in the future than that.

>>63891865
Don't care, I'll take some cool, unique, and even ugly designs over the montone standard looking shit we have today.

Give me some variety damnit. Everything is so boring and drab these dats.

>hydrogen cars produce no pollution!

As long as you ignore where the hydrogen comes from.

And this isn't even addressing the poor performance of hydrogen engines or the whole issue of storing it.

>>63891952
Electrolysis?

>>63891884
Well, I'm sorry I didn't take time to mock up an artistic rendering of a pregnant B2.

>>63891952
>long as you ignore where the hydrogen comes from

>>63892144
>a planefucker
it's all so tiresome

>>63891700 (OP)
>despite being not from a western country.
since when has brazil not been considered western? It's a former portugese colony and majority catholic. Or do you mean western as in non-nato?

>>63892161
Not western as in not white.

>>63892333
ah of course it all makes sense now

>>63892147
nuclear all the way baby

>>63892473
Nukes well be the deaaath of the planet.

>>63892473
Nuclear + American/Chink fusion energy.
As god wants.

>>63892480
>but muh chernobyl
>>63892485
im waiting for the US-China hyper nation to rise out of the ashes of the first sino-american war a la Black Ops 3

>>63892496
>first sino-american war

Second*

>>63892517
mb i forgot about korea </3

>>63892161
>since when has brazil not been considered western?
Eh, tbf what most people consider western is just a slightly larger group of what used to be the Cold War 1st world, and Brazil was not part of it

>>63891837
>I genuinely don't get all this hype for hydrogen. In practical terms it's a bitch to store and has awful energy density
>>63891952
>And this isn't even addressing the poor performance of hydrogen engines

hydrogen has highest energy to weight ratio of all fuels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imhla4eovcg&t=103

>>63892566
>of what used to be the Cold War 1st world, and Brazil was not part of it
it was tho, it was aligned with the US

>>63892566
Rules.

>>63892588
>it was tho, it was aligned with the US

Not really, though the Junta was against communism, in reality they didn't trust the US either and they had deals with the Chinese for nuclear fuel development.

>>63892650
Pre 1960-1970 the US was actively supporting the region, especially the radical and reactionary branches of the military.
But as usual with the US as soon as commies began to die, and even more with Carter, a lot of Latino american (dictatorial) governments were sanctioned and forced to cooperate with other shitholes like the the Soviet Union, China and the Middle East that were the only regions actually buying our exports.

>>63891859
utterly retarded to use for vehicles.
Con job cooked up to transfer emissions from car to power plant.

>>63892741
Unlike the US other countries, even China, is trying to de-carbonize its electric sector...

>>63891859
>Which is a great thing since we might actually get back big engines but now they produce "zero" pollution.
hydrogen is actually more like a chemical battery, since its used to produce electricity to generate power rather than burned
its energy density is greater than normal batteries because it can use atmospheric oxygen as its oxidizer rather than carrying its own
the main downside is that its a one-way process, so any hydrogen that is produced has to be produced with clean energy itself

>>63892741
the thing is that if your powerplant can be nuclear, solar, wind, or hydro
a combustion engine can only ever be petrol

but even if your power comes from coal, the dirtiest energy supply, you still come out a net benefit compared to burning oil, it takes longer to payback the pollution incurred when producing the battery, but you still get there eventually
the simple answer is simply economy of scale, 1000 small engines all burning fuel is less efficient than 1 big engine (a power plant) that then transfers that power to batteries
electric motors themselves compound on that efficiency because they themselves are more efficient at converting power to work than combustion

>>63892778
Toyota are also developing H2 ICE engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKjHff14Q4

>>63892778
>the main downside is that its a one-way process, so any hydrogen that is produced has to be produced with clean energy itself
This isn't entirely a bad thing and it's been proposed that places with bountiful solar power such as Australia could use hydrogen for baseload power. Some states such as South Australia have such a high number of domestic solar installations that they for most of the year the state produces more power than it needs during daylight hours, switching over at night to natural gas generation and electricity imports from other states. It's been suggested that the excess daytime power could be used for powering an industrial-scale electrolysis plant that would build up a huge reserve of hydrogen (enough to power the entire state 24/7 for 3 months) that can then be used as fuel for a hydrogen power plant that would maintain baseload supply at night and during winter.

>>63891735
C-130 has been around longer and in a lot of cases it's cheaper to just keep buying more of the same.

>>63892778
>the thing is that if your powerplant can be nuclear, solar, wind, or hydro a combustion engine can only ever be petrol.
Its really concerning how many people fail to grasp this concept. Re: the hydrogen though, I'm probably out of the loop but I thought there were issues with storage and transport for it to be a Gasoline replacement?

>>63894075
>transport
theres a 70 year old hydrogen pipeline in Germany still in operation

>>63891700 (OP)
>not from a western country
Most of the parts are, which is why its liked.

>>63894075
If you treat it like a fossil fuel, yes. Hydrogen is more like batteries since its potential energy actually comes from the power plants that are supplying the electricity for the electrolysis. It's an energy transport mechanism.

>>63892147
Man if only we didn't forcibly privatize the TVA (that in three decades turned buttfuck Appalachia into the the cheapest source of energy in the US) so that they swapped from a robust network of hydro and nuclear power back to coal and natural gas.

>>63892161
What do you think the b in brics stands for?

>>63891700 (OP)

> not from a western country

Embraer is basically all the upsides of "the west" and all the upsides of "not the west". The only people who hate it are the aviation machinist unions.

C-390 has potential. They've got room to bump the bypass ratio up a bit with a next generation engine.

>>63892161
literally no one in human history has considered brazil a western country?

>>63891700 (OP)
you're now at the 19th thread about your sopa de macaco airlifter

>>63892161
>since when has brazil not been considered western?
Since forever?

>>63891859
Go away, Trevor Milton.

>>63894522
I'll never trust a plane built by brown people

>>63894518
>brics is a military alliance

Who keeps shilling this bullshit?
It's just a union of thirdies who wanna bypass western sanctions. Everything else they dislike each other at best.

>>63892161
since Roman Catholic mass was first observed in 26th of April 1500

>>63892473
Unironically this. Nuclear is the most sensible and chadly option, but greenfags are petulant children who squeal “Muh Chernobbles” every time we bring it up.
Slash red tape and throw money at nuclear energy and you’ll get that green future you want.

>>63892778
>a combustion engine can only ever be petrol
No fagggot
External combustion engines only care about receiving sufficient heat for their working fluid, they don't care how the heat is obtained

And internal combustion engine can work on ethanol or methanol and other biofuels. Common ethanol contains 30% gasoline, but that's just for practicality, it would work with pure ethanol about the same.

>>63894075
That's because it's not fucking true. Petrol isn't the only burnable working fluid in existence with decent energy density.

>>63891837
>>63891813
>>63891713
>>63891732
Kirov reporrrting.
(I just wanna be frens)

>>63894579
>>63894892
>>63895266
"western culture" and "western coutries" are usually just countries that display a prominent amount of culture as derived from the Greeks/Romans, usually in the forms of ideals and political structures relating to the roman republic. Additionally being a christian country is usually considered a big part of "being westerrnized"

Brazil is a constitutional republic modeled after the US, a former portugese colony and majaority catholic. It's as western as Italy, Greece, or Spain.

>>63895493
not as western as Italy, Greece and Spain but certainly Westernish

>>63891700 (OP)
It's cheap, the only reason to buy it, and most air forces buying it are the ones strapped for cash

the A400M is actually pretty decent, if only Airbus would unfuck their aftersales support

>>63892147
If you're throwing it in a battery anyway, there's so many good options, why the fuck would you use coal??? Nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelectric, geothermal, etc. sure some of those are unreliable, but that's why you don't use only one type of power. Nuclear means you can cover any gaps in sun or wind with ease.

>>63895493

Brazil and Portugal are reported to develop an MPA variant of the C-390, currently they're on request stage, Portugal will probably represent NATO for the requests on their side.

>>63895493
the Western equivalent of BRICS is the OECD
Brazil is not a member of the OECD

>>63895493
I'm sorry to break it to you Brazilbro but western carries with the implication of being white. Its sort of a fuzzy concept, and I would definitely say latin america is an outgrowth of the west and very culturally close to it, but its also a bit of a grey area because of the mixing with native americans and african slaves.

The idea of what constitutes Europe is also a bit like that, its a layered concept of geography, genetics and religion. Turkey has a bit of land in Europe but no one really considers Turkey European because brown and muslim, but Muslim Bosnians are firmly part of Europe because they're Slavs, christian Armenians often consider themselves to be part of greater Europe but a lot of western europeans wouldn't.

>>63895934
>>63895493
To expand on this a bit, the cultural traits you mentioned are pretty surface level, most of the west had other political structures for very long periods of time, and before Christianity practiced various forms of indo-european paganism, and some western nations like the nordic countries have comparatively little influence from greco-roman culture.

A country inhabited by germans with an absolute monarch that had a germanic pagan religion would still be more western than an african country perfectly larping as the roman republic and speaking french.

>>63895934
>I'm sorry to break it to you Brazilbro but western carries with the implication of being white
im not brazillian but "white" has no real definition and is kind of a moot point. People would say that Italy is obviosuly a western country but im sure you ask the average /pol/ mongrel and they'll tell you wops aren't white.
>and before Christianity practiced various forms of indo-european paganism, and some western nations like the nordic countries have comparatively little influence from greco-roman culture.
I would argue against that on the basis of christianity and social democracies being very prevalent in the nordic countries. I think christianity plays a very large role in being westernized and people would simply not count those countries as being western at that point.

>>63895934
>I'm sorry to break it to you Brazilbro but western carries with the implication of being white.
lmao, so USA is not western

>>63896150
western african : ^)

>>63892161
>since when has brazil not been considered western?

It's always been third world. Learn what first, second and third world mean.

>>63896216
learn what western means dumbass and double check your history on what nations were considered first world :^)

>>63892587
>hydrogen has highest energy to weight ratio of all fuels

Hydrogen is extremely bulky due to its low density, even a huge tank (which needs thick insulation) doesn't actually hold much compared to gasoline or diesel.

>>63896224
Brazil has never been first world so what now my huehuehue friend?

>>63896236
being western there's nothing to do with being first world my dude

>>63896236
>The "Three Worlds" of the Cold War (between 30 April and 24 June 1975)

>>63896282
>Sweden was part of the third world
Useful

>>63896282
>map includes the Rio treaty

huehuehue indeed

>>63892147
>Be me, Wealthy Gulf State crown prince
>Everyone always saying how covering 1.2% of the Sahara in solar panels can meet the energy demands of the entire planet
>Speedbump to this plan is the tricky part of storing and moving that power
>Suddenly Divine Inspiration
>Build electrolysis plants next to solar farms
>Use cheap, abundant solar to create as much hydrogen fuel as you want
>No longer need to worry about capacitor or battery banks nor all the Wile E. Coyote methods of energy storage like artificial reservoirs powering hydroelectric.
>Mashallah all the way to the bank but not before peeing on another instagram model
Surely it cant be that easy

>>63896368
Take it a step further and use that hydrogen to do methane synthesis from atmospherically captured CO/CO2 and you've got a carbon neutral fuel that's easier to transport and use.

>>63895934
Was apartheid SA 'western' then?

>>63895934
The US is going to be less than 50% White very soon, will we no longer be a western country after that point? If not, what's the cut off?

>>63896881
It already is. The census is absolutely cooked. I travel all over this country and it's brown af even in fly over small towns. There's millions of old boomers that died a decade ago with relatives collecting benefits out there. No way we're above 50% white.

>>63892588
It wasn't, Brazil was considered part of the third world precisely because it refused to align with either the US or the USSR

>>63894522
>The only people who hate it are the aviation machinist unions.
Why?

>>63895536
Unless you're planning on doing some actual high speed stuff in a threat environment which most countries aren't. Then it's than a Herc.

>>63896942
The census counts Arabs and other MENA people as White so it's definitely lower than what the statistics say.

>>63891700 (OP)
The C-130J is the C-130 of this century.

>>63895485
>Airship ready
>Closing on target
>Maneuver props engaged
>Bombadiers to your stations

>>63892161
Because it’s south

>>63897117
>The census counts Arabs and other MENA people as White
What the fuck

Needs a VC-39, VC-69, C-990, C-690, AC-390, P-390, E-390 and KC-390 versions

No more killswitch burger stuff

>>63896122
White can be defined genetically, european ethnicities form a distinct cluster that can be seperated from middle eastern ethnic groups.

But my argument about being western doesn't just hinge on genetics, its genetics plus a deep cultural continuity with europe.

>>63896881
Well yes, when anglo americans lose culutral hegemony completely and are just one minority ethnic group among many the US will probably have changed in character to be less western, but that will take decades to play out.

>>63896842
Thats actually kind of an interesting question. The charcater of a country is strongly shaped by the ruling class, anglo south africans are quintessentially western but the afrikaner culture developed in south africa from a mix of european groups while cut off from the original colonial power. So its a bit like other new world cultures in the americas that developed to be their own thing in situ. Afrikaners are mostly (~95%) white and mostly protestant christians, but I'm on the fence about whether to consider them western.

>>63897253
The base model can already do aerial refuelling and they're working on a maritime patrol varient.

>>63897159
Australia and New Zeland are south too and neither nips or gooks are whites and let's not start with Israel.
Most latino countries have a strong element of western culture, just not nordic but mediterranean, if you want to keep them as part of the third world fine, but even under that optic they are often that part of the third world best aligned with western interest and culture, that you let Russia and China start creeping up in your backyard is more about you westerners focusing too much on Asia and Mideast and too little in LATAM.

>>63897074
the A400M is a Herc replacement

>>63891700 (OP)
it going be new gunship like ac-130?

>>63891700 (OP)
>not western
Saying shit like this is one of those litmus tests that define if you're a smoothbrain with a worldview based solely on vibes.
By definition Brazil is more western than some Euro countries like Hungary
It follows Roman Law, material and cultural heritage is Iberian/Med, has a liberal transparent economy, is capable of holding democratic elections on all levels of federal government and has Western-aligned if pragmatic foreign policy instead of some gunpowder empire coping mechanism like Russia, India and Turkey.

>>63898122
>using Hungary as a benchmark
idiot
>It follows Roman Law
it doesn't follow any law, not even its own
>material and cultural heritage is Iberian/Med
in surface matters like food but not in values e.g. work ethic and honesty
>has a liberal
lol
>transparent
lmao even
>economy
average GDP per capita HALF that of the lowest European (Greece)
>is capable of holding democratic elections
but doesn't have an impartial judiciary or uphold freedom of speech of similar standard in practice, which are necessary to ensure those elections are fair
>has Western-aligned
lol no
>if pragmatic
cope word used by quislings and chamberlainist appeasers

in addition to the above, the facts are that Brazil chose to join the Chinese alliance instead of the Western alliance

you're a smoothbrain with a worldview based solely on vibes

>>63898143
>Chinese alliance
lmao and there it's the smoothbrain

>>63891713
Airships are too slow and a bitch in high winds. They do have a niche, but it isn't cargo.

>>63897658
Does Antonov even exists nowadays?
I remember even before the war they were already in deep shit and couldn't deliver the few orders they had.

>>63898122
Brazil is not western, get over it Pedro it's not that deep.

>>63897771
The A400M (and the Japanese C-2) are not in the same size class as the C-130 and C-390.

>>63891837
An (optionally solar) dirgible drone is well within the realm of now. And like the Chinese balloon will get shot down.

>>63892126
Electrolysis is demineralized and deionized water split by electricity, even solar panels have a carbon footprint to build.

>>63898159
What's the point of the balloon if they're going to keep it so close to the ground? Reduce stresses on the crane structure?

>>63900548
The blimp is parked on the tower.

>>63900332
the A400M has more capacity than the C-130, but it's intended to be the same general-purpose tactical airlifter

>>63896368
there’s no water in the desert

>>63891732
Private train cars were dope.

>>63898122
i almost feel bad for you, Brazil couldve been a functioning country

>>63897218
Caucasians = white, at least as far as the census is concerned

>>63892333
US isn't majority white anymore, so what does that make America?

>>63901162
We aren't? I thought we were still like 55-60% white

I want a stategic version of the C-390.

>>63900669
The A400M is a midsize cargo with some rough field capability. It's one weight class above the J. Its range at max payload is the same as the Super Herc at regular.

>>63898039
The age of gunships with autocannons and howitzers is coming to an end. The AC-130 is already horrendously expensive and viable only in a fight against sand people with just some rusty AKs and Dushkas, without manpads and with total air supremacy. The Air Force is already experimenting heavily with employing more stand-off weapons from their AC-130s

>>63896368
Panels constantly need to be cleared of dust.
Abrasive wind blown desert dust scratches the shit out of the panels constantly.

>>63903941
This. Solar panels are better in non-arid (no dust) mountainous regions with high solar averages, but installation and maintenance are crazy expensive there.

>>63903928
>coming to an end
gone decades ago
AC-130s were basically only counterinsurgency weapons since late Nam