Are stealth aircraft obsolete against AI guided missiles that use pure vision?: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1937149953073422779?t=NiGFbhXRQpCBMMW9Kt0-eA&s=19

>>63893349 (OP)
Stealth aircraft are visible both to radar and vision.

They appear as tiny dot for both (radar because stealth magic and visual because object far away is small unga bunga), so good fucking luck trying to spot one.

>>63893349 (OP)
Musk really needs to shut up about anything weapon related. He manages to have the opinions of both a history channel uncle and a facebook wine aunt.

>>63893349 (OP)
AI is obselete it'll get blown up by a drone
>>63893373
Tiny dots are obselete drones will spot that easily
>>63893380
Facebook is obselete drones will blow up the servers

>>63893382
Drones are obsolete, blown up by even smaller and cheaper drones.

This stupid fat cunt really needs to shut the fuck up.

Unironicaly whats stopping you from simply having lots of drones ai looking at the sky and determining where the enemy aircraft is going than telling that your AD

>>63893400
Another crying vet afraid for his job?

>>63893422
Signals jamming

>>63893388
>They say that drones have little drones
>That sit upon their backs and bite 'em
>And little drones have littler drones
>And so on, ad finitum

>>63893422
are you actually retarded?

>>63893349 (OP)
That retard never ceases to baffle.

>>63893349 (OP)
Ah yes, the invincible AI power EO seeker. Oh wait, what's this!? OH NO! There's a cloud in the way!
These things have been a thing for ages now, Strela 10 has an optical channel. Sure AI might improve target tracking in clutter, but the same limitations that make these systems primarily short range systems apply here

>>63893434
UVB and UVA are two types of UV light that cause changes to people's skin. Doctors commonly associate UVB with sunburns. UV light can penetrate clouds.>>63893459
Just have the complete package of UV, thermal and electro optical

>>63893380
>Musk really needs to shut up about anything
FTFY

>>63893349 (OP)
I'm sure AI could be used as a tracking method, it makes sense but it would just be counter-acted by optoelectronic countermeasures, such as dazzlers. Probably still using IRCM because imaging sensors are sensitive to infrared light

>>63893422
I think my favorite thing about AI is how its just magic to retards. They have no clue how it works, how they're built, or their strengths/weaknesses but AI can do anything because of course it can. Nevermind the fact that AI will still be limited by the same things that limit all detection algorithms (sensor noise and resolution, cost/logistics, tuning for false positives, ect.) it will magically work somehow. Repeat after me "just because I outsourced my algorithm to a neural net doesn't mean it can divine information from the Ether".

>>63893349 (OP)
He's not 100% wrong for terminal guidance but that's useless if you can't detect it before for the launch phase. Also cameras can be destroyed by small lasers so you could just glue a disco ball to your plane

>>63893429
Thus ev'ry poet in his kind, is bit by him who comes behind.

>>63893500
I think people are just referring here to YOLO style CNN's or more advanced nets that can just visually identify targets against background, it's pretty obvious no need to be such a Redditor retard

>>63893380
He needs to shut up about literally everything that isn't rockets.
He has an actually successful rocket company, one of the most innovative and economically important companies for the future. But it's going to be fucking raped empty after a pissed off Trump orders NASA to abandon it.

>>63893500
An economist journalist I respected has started writing articles about how AI will improve world productivity.

>>63893349 (OP)
>mfw lived long enough to see a second howard hughes in action

how long until his autism wins out like mr hughes?

>>63893349 (OP)
>pure vision
Technically true, but you're dead long before it ever enters visual range.

Can we pretend that AA flack in the night sky is shooting stars. I wish I could see the planes right now.

>>63893465
>Yeah haha like bro just beam UV light into the sky with enough intensity to hit planes lmao like what are you stupid lol dumb nerds why haven't they done this already haha
>No I don't know what that would entail just do it poindexter

>>63893349 (OP)
>AI will just uh... look for them?
Damn he's such a genius. Why did we even bother with radar in the first place? Just put a camera on the missile bro!

>>63893349 (OP)
>in the era of BVR missile spam Musk thinks "pure vision" + AI voodoo will solve everything

>>63893373
>so good fucking luck trying to spot one.
The missile simply has to aim towards the tip of the chemtrail.

>>63893515
See this is what I mean. How are you going to get the image to identify the plane with? How are you going to make sure the image has enough resolution for the AI to ID the plane? How are you going to train the AI to accurately detect and ID a plane? You could have an actual ASI watching the sky but its still not gonna be able to ID shit if it can't see shit.
>>63893520
The sad part is AI will undoubtedly increase productivity but not in any of the ways these companies keep claiming. Take image processing, AI is great at that and will continue on in that function even after openAI runs out of investors to scam. I just get sick of people treating it like microchips or radiation in a bad 80s scifi movie.

>>63893349 (OP)
>*blocks your path*
Because looking up is the best way to spot a stealth aircraft from miles away (?)
And nighttime doesn’t exist o algo

>>63893349 (OP)
>implying
Visual targeting is not exactly a good idea for missile targeting systems.

As for identifying stealth aircraft, well, we’ve had high res spy satellites for a long time now.

>nothing beats the F-117 Nighthawk

Laugs in serbian

I've come to think that Musk used to really believe that stealth aircraft are actually invisible, and was severely disappointed when he learned that that is not what stealth means.

>>63893349 (OP)
Yeah I never understood why people didn't just look up and see the plane or down from a satellite. With programs that can detect movements of planes and missiles. We seriously still only use radar?

>>63893349 (OP)
>just pitbull SAMs into the sky and let them find the planes for you bro
Yeah, I'm sure that will never ever go wrong.

>>63893349 (OP)

Improvements in camera sensors and AI enhanced detection are decreasing the efficacy of stealth.

But the real change for those in the know is real time AI analysis of weak radar signals to effectively get a precise location even from the extremely weak signal from a stealth plane and be able to detect such a weak signal in a noise rich or jammed environment which would require very high program adaptability and rapid logic as well as immediate processing power that has only come available on recent year to deal with it the data volume on the short time frame available in order to run such enhancements.

Also the miniaturization and improvement in FLIR sensors means that we will likely see missiles with 3 types of detection guided by increasingly precise radars while still being affordable as all the parts have become 10 times cheaper in the last 12 - 15 years. Htmh4

>>63893595
>>63893349 (OP)
>>63893459
>>63893500
My question for /k/: Why can't AI use multiple systems to confirm the location/direction/velocity of an aircraft? Like let's say you have only 4 types of planes you need to filter for because the rest are spotted by radar. Can you get the sound signature of these 4 planes? Like go to airshows and just record the planes flying around to capture the engine sounds. Then place recording sensors in areas with low noise levels on your borders and near sensitive targets to detect these sound signatures. Then once the sound signature is detected, with multiple sensors you could get an idea where the plane is, and which direction it's going and how fast, kind of like how shotspotter works. At that point, once a patch of sky is isolated for the plane's location, the high resolution optical sensors scan that part of the sky. And why not use the full spectrum of light? Infrared/thermal/visible? After detection and confirmation, a missile with optical sensors can be launched to the approximate altitude and in the direction the plane was going. Once it gets close to the altitude, the ground sensors that generated the directions for the missile turn off and the missile controls itself to blow up the only object it sees in that part of the sky. This is a really crude way of seeing it, but engineers given enough time could figure out a system to do this.

>>63893644
Only a handful of countries have access to satellites that are capable of spotting a plane in real time. And it still has the same limitations than any other camera. Good luck finding a plane flying at night when you don't even know the general area it's in or if it's even there at all.

We also use IR, modern IRST systems are capable to spot a plane up to around 100km in good conditions. But stealth planes have reduced IR emissions and they would probably be within missile range before you can even spot them.

Radar is still the best way to detect aircraft. Stealth technology doesn't make a plane invisible, just harder to detect. If you fly right inside a SAM's killzone you will probably be detected and shot down. Of course everyone knows that and this is why there is are extensive reconnaissance missions to locate enemy SAMs, radars and air-to-air threats to identify a path for stealth planes. If no path is suitable then other planes will do SEAD to make one.

>>63893649
>i'm a perfectly adjusted missile- ooh a civilian airliner!

vision that relies on visible and uv exist. they’re in short range missiles. for slightly longer range, you have IR and thermal. for detection at long ranges you rely on the target emitting IR, which surprise, stealth planes take in to account and try to reduce their thermal signature. stealth planes are not only radar stealth. unless elon’s epic genius idea can give reliable targets out to 250+ km or can be space based (that option is the most promising IF it works), it doesn’t add anything. irst is already a thing.

also think about it: if this idea was so airtight, why elon does not just make it? he would get fuck ton of money and ego stroking from it.

>>63893465
uv does not go far in the atmosphere. that’s why it’s only in short range missile seekers to augment ir against countermeasures.

>>63893653
Considering sound travels much shorter distances than radio emissions, you would need a huge network of hundreds of recorders to have full coverage of a border. Initial cost and maintenance costs would be prohibitive for most countries. And it would only work for low flying aircraft, and aircraft only fly low when they are close to their objective because fuel consumption at low altitudes is much higher and they are vulnerable to visual detection, small arms fire and MANPADS. And that's just the detection part. You'd need the same network of cameras to guide missiles, and since planes are flying low they probably won't be in sight for very long.

>>63893640
They are in sci-fi novels, why not in real life?
Like wtf America

>>63893683
thank you for explaining

>>63893640
somewhat related, you gave me an excuse to post this

The retarded thing is relying only on X thing when you can put them all togheter and get better data than the enemy can.
>Spy radar tells you a plane is coming
>Blast it with normal radar
>O no its stealth but you know the general direction
>Shoot at it IR seeking missiles, UV in case there are clouds(Yes UV from the sun pierce clouds sta mad),and electro optical
>You know enemy gonna fly certain direction
>Have Drones make a sensoe grid looking the sky for ir traces by plane
>You know itd locating and can blast it more accuratly with radar
>....
If ypu rely only on one thing all buffed up to defeat it its only about changing one part of the equation.

>>63893465
>let's make a modern R-27ET

Ping pong ching chong chyna numbah wahn!

>>63893743
>Xhis is mad about chinese superiority downing a rafaele and is melting.

>>63893724
>UV in case there are clouds(Yes UV from the sun pierce clouds
i think its the exact opposite, infrared goes through clouds, uv not. thats why you dont get sunburnt when the sky is overcast with clouds, but it still gets warm during the day.

>Pure vision
Ok but what about BVR Mr smelly musk

>>63893784
both IR and UV can pass through clouds, but to varying degrees. UV radiation can penetrate clouds, though intensity is reduced—up to 80% can still reach the ground on overcast days. IR radiation, especially from the sun, is also partially blocked but not completely; some wavelengths pass through depending on cloud thickness and type. So, even on cloudy days, UV and IR exposure is still possible.

>>63893349 (OP)
>ai vision will see a plane from 300+km
What a retard.

>>63893802
>Have multiple AI quadcopters looking at the sky,
>They gonna spot the planes
>Have satellites see when the enemy about to launch planes
>...
Yeah you need more than one drones but its doable,

>>63893807
>just always have a few million drones in your airspace
Great idea

>>63893810
Youd need much less than a few hundreed tl cover the entire border russo ukraine.

>>63893349 (OP)
I feel like this is an offshoot of the AI bubble in general. Where tech bros march into an unfamiliar field and enthusiasticly flaunt AI as a groundbreaking solution for already solved problems. Optical tracking of air targets is already possible with infrared homing and search and track...and it's not a total substitute for radar because of the range limitations. This isn't a specific niche where image recognition software is disruptive.

TLDR: Musk is a retard.

>>63893828
>Optical tracking of air targets is already possible with infrared homing and search and track...
a major problem with infrared tracking is filtering out false positive signals. i can imagine AI helping with that.

>>63893584
The missile knows where the stealth plane is at all time. It knows this because it knows where the stealth plane isn't. By subtracting where the stealth plane is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater).

>>63893838
Again. Area of mostly solved problems. More modern infrared tracking can actively lock onto specific thermal signatures, rather than dumbly going after the biggest heat source like early models. Javelins built on late 80s and early 90s computer tech can do this for example. They mainly need a human operator to pick out which thermal blob on a cluttered ground environment is the target to lock on to.

The latter environment IS an area where newer image recognition software is useful. Its a reason fully autonamous FPVs are potentially gonna get real scarier in the future. But it's less dtamatic in a long range aircombat context. You don't need cutting edge machine learning to figure out that the one unidentified thermal signature in tens of kilometer of empty sky might be your bogey.

>>63893349 (OP)
>AI guided missiles that use pure vision
no such thing.

>>63893349 (OP)
He's never beating the allegations that he has an Indian run his twitter account for him

>>63894544
For at least a year there are mentions of autonomous drones fighting in Ukraine, on both sides, that rely on computer vision alone to negate jamming. An anti-air missile would require a much better optics to compensate for speeds and distances of air engagement, but compact compute for the task of visual search and identification is already available

>>63893349 (OP)

Maybe don't take tips about the capabilities of visual guidance systems on fast moving rockets from a guy that can't make a car that routinely runs into stationary obstacles in plain view on the road.

He should go be a retard on mars

>>63893349 (OP)
Really amazing how obsessed day-/k/ is with Elon.

>>63894640
>autonomous drones
not a missile
>much better optics
which can't be scaled down to missile sizes, look at the FGT on an Apache or newer Base security cameras.
Elon is just a retard with money.

>>63893349 (OP)
Stealthsisters...

>>63894674
My god. First they got the the super F-35 , and now they're shooting down the B-2s. We should have listened to Musk senpais warnings. I'm demoralized and from Texas Ostan and I'm going to implore my provincial council to demand our unconditional surrender immediately.

>>63893520
>He has an actually successful rocket company, one of the most innovative and economically important companies for the future.

>>63893422
Because clouds and the horizon exist, retard. We have plenty of missiles that fire over the horizon and thus their platform literally isn't ever visible because the Earth is curved.

>>63894769
There has never ever been a space program that didn't have exploding rockets.

>>63893520
Lemao how about you go tell him to stop browsing twitter and /pol/.

>>63893500
I'm over here thinking AI is just really thorough programming made by people. Not really magic but complicated enough that it appears to be magic to the average retard. Because of that, it's guaranteed to have bugs and oversights.

I voted Trump the last three elections, Elon needs to shut the fuck up

>>63893349 (OP)
>Are stealth aircraft obsolete against AI guided missiles that use pure vision?

He cant even make self driving cars work off pure vision, now he is claiming he can do it to a missile.

>>63893349 (OP)
>retard doesn't understand the threat onion
the entire premise of a stealth aircraft is not being seen, not evading missiles
if a missile gets launched and you're in an F117, you're dead already

by the time an onboard AI is controlling a missile using computer vision, an AI on the plane will be controlling a little ball pod with a laser on it spiking the missile's vision sensors

>>63893784
>i think its the exact opposite, infrared goes through clouds, uv not
Try hiking or skiing in the mountains on a cloudy day without sunscreen and see how it goes.
t. I did this like an idiot.

could terminal vision guidance be dazzled by scale size models used as visual 'chaff'? this question is inspired by img rec models which confidently classified model cars as cars

I’m so, so tired of this shit.

>t. csfag in ml

>>63893423
Put Elon on the front lines then. Hes a genius, he'll do fine.

>>63895127
No Elon deserves to handle fraud cases involving Indians scamming Americans. His only fitting punishment is to see his viewpoint of cheap labor sour.

>>63894769
>these guys are trying to get to the moon
LMAO

>>63893349 (OP)
>Can't even make a AI car that stops at the GPS provided coordinates
>Expects AI going hundreds of MPH to hit another target going hudreds of MPH

>>63893628
Fuck off roach

>>63893717
>pic
Wonder if this guy's killed himself.

>The exact same Twitter spam thread again
Do your fuckin job jannies.

>>63893500
>can't divine info from Ether
>admitting to not using Ethernet cables
wifi-cuck detected.

>>63893349 (OP)
Any kind of stealth tech will become obsolete when 6G becomes a world wide thing

>>63894769
>>63895147
As of June 25, 2025, rockets from the Falcon 9 family have been launched 506 times, with 503 full mission successes
Seethe more and or fuck your mothers.

>>63893653
to add to the other anon, by the time you hear a plane that's flying at an altitude for a strike on your SAM sites or any valuable targets, the warhead is already inbound, even if the plane is travelling at subsonic speed.

>>63893349 (OP)
every time i hear someone open their mouth about how to defeat stealth it reminds me that Top Gun is the closest thing to modern air combat most people have ever seen. everyone still thinks in terms of gun solutions and turning radius, using mk.1 eyeballs to find and confirm targets. BVR is just too abstract for the common person to grok.

>>63893349 (OP)
Musk's drug-addled autistic fixation or his Indian assistants shilling for his AI bullshit product? Take your pick.

>>63893349 (OP)
Putting ai in front of a weapons system doesn't mean it's sentient.
Jesus fucking Christ third.wotlders and their retard shit with ai.
It's basically an excel shit with a random number generator.
It's not fucking ALIVE. They just tack on AI to get thirdies and retards excited

It's a fucking PID still you stupid bastards.

>>63893349 (OP)
*blocks your path*

>>63895258
Elon is a third worker?

>>63895269
He's from South Africa, so yes. Remember he doesn't like America or Americans, he likes China and Russia and India.

>>63893422
night

>>63895136
The right dropping him after he revealed he wants to flood the job market with pajeets was pretty funny. It's like they all forgot he's a greedy souless billionaire

>>63895197
and as of june 25 2025 no block 2 starships have reached the orbit

>>63895283
They didn’t drop him after that, they dropped him after he got in an argument with Trump and called him a pedophile. It took them months to drop him and it required him to bite daddy’s hand.

>>63895283
>It's like they all forgot he's a greedy souless billionaire
*autistic techbro who bases his opinions on subcontinentals in general off one 130IQ Sri Lankan guy he knows personally—many such cases!!

>>63895284
>reached the orbit
sarr your H1B is of critical important you are not to be criticize Elon sar

>>63894904
If you want to know what AI is, download one of the earlier ChatGPT, or DALL-E, or I don't fucking remember which one. One of the image recognition ones.
It's literally a spreadsheet full of decimal values; weights for the various columns in a giant matrix. That's it.
You'd be amazed how much directed-learning AI is literally just throwing shit at the wall, seeing what sticks, and refining it. Like a bigger, more-all encompassing Alkinator. No understanding of data science required, or even necessarily average IQ, required.

F-117's are extremely vulnerable to black hole guns and railgun supercannons. If we're entering the world of hypotheticals, Mr Musk, might as well go full balls to the walls.

>>63895284
How may subordinates is that creepy fucker going to impregnate?
Fucking loser should be banging actresses and supermodels and instathots that are ACTUALLY HOT. Instead he has to fuck women that he's already paying like a creepy third-world factory manager.

>>63895398
>banging
He doesn't fuck them, he uses intro vitro.

>>63893653
>>63893711
Don't forget that if someone was ever foolish enough to do this, one noisy decoy would render the system worthless for much cheaper then it would for electromagnetic countermeasures. For radar you need chaff corridors and jamming, for infrared you need flares, for sound you just have to make a shit ton of noise. Look at the cat-and-mouse game of submarines and anti-submarine warfare.
And you're not even considering "le wait for a rainstorm" trick that renders your system useless. Or gliders making a comeback.

But like >>63893683 said it's mainly that sound is short range. But even if it wasn't, sound is very, very easily confused. Think of all the tricks humans use to move/act without detection, and then remember that it would be easier to do them as a human due to the machines being able to be designed to inhibit detection in a way that humans cannot, and over a much larger area with more diverse circumstances.

>>63895443
>and then remember that it would be easier to do them as [an aircraft than a] human***
really need to start proofreading lol

>>63894659
People aren't 'obsessed' they're annoyed. He keeps mentioning really dumb shit and that infects the general public and that influences policy. It's retarded. Musk saw a video of Chinese performance drones and said
>LOOK WE'D NEVER GET THROUGH TO CHINA THEY'D FILL THE AIR WITH AI DRONES
Ignoring that these drones take weeks to 'train' and 'practice' to make a giant Chinese dragon float through the air in New Years Eve, they're doing it without explosives latched onto them.

Musk also proposes stuff like nobody has fucking thought of it. Every military in the world would LOVE to have munitions that just hang in the sky all quiet like for months on end and immediately activate and kill an enemy target 100% of the time. But that doesn't exist. He is literally hoping magic exists.

Finally, he has proven that even his genius mind cannot make AI do what he wants it to do, with his cars turning into empty fields, rivers or stopping in the middle of busy intersections going 'You have arrived at your destination' on top of remote bricking if you insult him online.

Additionally, Musk shilled himself with multiple burner accounts on Twitter, he regularly asked 4chan to raid people who insulted him on Twitter (before he bought it so he could ban them himself) and VPN posted on 4chan about how hot and sexy and great in bed he was and how many kids he had. The guy is a loon and not a fun one and his absolute desperation to get into the MIC because Xi has his balls in a vice is annoying.

>>63895473
>munitions that just hang in the sky all quiet like for months on end and immediately activate and kill an enemy target 100% of the time.
FOBS, arguably—they're illegal, but it's not like the UN has a space program to go and peek up all out satellites' skirts.

>>63893349 (OP)
>AI guided
adversarial networks are a thing A.I. guided seems to me like a bad idea

>>63894659
what kind of loser does shit like this? What self-respecting man?
And who with fuck-you money behaves this way?

>>63895506
more like adversaaaarial

>>63895518
once a lame, always a lame

>>63895398
He is a creepy third-world factory manager. He's from Africa and most of his employees are from India.

>>63895518
>>63895528
fucking shameful
I also hate how he deletes his posts on a platform that he paid $44 BILLION

>>63895506
Why? I don't know much about GANs but afaik it's because it's based on the data you feed it? So if you made an AI missile it would be fed on aircraft you use to train it so it'd likely hit your aircraft not theirs because you've not trained it on theirs? Like the Soviet dogs who they trained to blow up tanks but they trained them on their own tanks so their own tanks got blown up?

>>63893349 (OP)
Man his pure AI vision cars cant even help themselves from decapitating their occupants by driving under a truck right in front of them, how the hell does he think its going to be able to pick out a miniscule speck in the sky?

>>63895499
>they're illegal,
Only if you deploy a live warhead into orbit. Testing them with a boilerplate payload is fine, as is having operational FOBS missiles in silos.

>>63893380
>Musk really needs to shut up about anything weapon related
I loved the guy until he started talking politics.

Being an expert in one thing doesn't make you a genius in everything.

>>63895539
>fucking shameful

that's not even that bad.

>>63895473
I think it was the kids in the underground cave that showed he was looney in that regard for me.
His tunnels and shit, I did see those as the pipedreams they are (or scams if you want to be harsh) but not as signs of him being an crazy narcissist.
I mean when you feel the need to pay someone to play a grind game for you so you can pretend to be good at it, you have issues.

>>63895645
>pay someone to play a grind game for you so you can pretend to be good at it, you have issues.
What did he do now?

>>63895645
Elon saying you could build a underwater tunnel from UK to USA as if it is something reasonable to even try is funny. I mean yeah sure you could, it'd probably cost the entire worlds GDP + tip but still.

>>63895585
Isn't it more old NASA people that did most of the rocket stuff?

>>63895657
It's old stuff, he claimed to be super great at PoE with an account that he apparently paid someone to play up as himself.
He then apparently had a stream where he was going to prove it was him, which went, poorly. Also apparently "he" was like great on the charts in Diablo 4 I think, supposedly, but there is honestly every reason to believe the case is the same.

>>63895673
I mean the guy is a billionaire, fi you wanna be top in Diablo 4 just spend $1m on loot crates and get the best gear and do it. Asmongold spent $20k on crates and earned like double that in views and donations.

>>63895686
i'm surprised he hasn't opened up a petfuckers

>>63895664
For the initial Falcon, maybe, there was one big nasa big brain leading his team on Kwajalein that succesfully built their first baby rocket. I forget his name. Kwajalein is part of the Marshall Islands and the DoD was letting them fuck around with their pipedream of a rocket on one of the baby islands. Then their pipedream actually did really well and the DoD actually got interested.

You can say everything was enabled by one old NASA dude (plus Elon's interns) who built the Merlin engine in a shed on a one-palm island, and then DoD provided a lifeline of cash out of intrigued curiosity. But the Raptor engine (the actual workhorse of everything SpaceX) and all the ways it has been improved and pushed is all new college grads working for peanuts and glory. SpaceX pays shit.

>>63893422
>Unironicaly whats stopping you from simply having lots of drones ai looking at the sky and determining where the enemy aircraft is going than telling that your AD
anon, you don't need AI for that
>The year is 1950 and an airplane flies overhead. From an observation deck mom picks up the phone and reports, “Aircraft flash. Papa-Hotel-Zero-Zero-Black. One multi-bomber. Very low. No delay. Bravo-Hotel-Three-Five-Black. West. Flying south.” A woman from an Air Defense filter center receives her report, “Check, thank you.”

>This scene was familiar to more than 800,000 volunteers who comprised the Ground Observer Corps. At its height, in the 1950s, volunteers manned more than 16,000 observation posts and 73 filter centers. Recruited by local civil defense authorities and the Air Force, civilians vowed to watch the sky for potential hostile aircraft intent on attacking their homeland.

>>63895673
>PoE
Which PoE are we talking about?

>>63895744
in context it is path of exile, a videogame

>>63895193
If you don't use Wi-Fi how are you going to detect minute changes in packet and signal integrity — the telltale sign of an approaching F-35. Fucking organics I swear.

>>63895758
>path of exile
I was only aware of Pillars of Eternity. My confusion was that my PoE is plot driven and not grindan at all.

>a videogame
Gee I would have never thunk of that.

>>63894844
No shit. But has there been any specific program that yielded nothing but explosions and shooting stars? 13 years and billions of dollars down the road? Promising to deliver interplanetary results NEXT YEAR? A moon lander THIS YEAR? Which does such 1960's shit, despite upgrades, as exploding while being fueled for a static test? Delaying the entire lunar program by being a forced-in, unwieldy, oversized, over-complicated solution?

>>63895267
>>63893471
Dazzle camo! Dazzle camo!
Fry them chips! Confuse those algorithms!

>>63895884
My warthunder paintjobs are better.

>>63895858
Hasn't SpaceX also delivered one of the most robust LEO satellite constellations ever?

>>63895922
>Giving access to the internet to jeets and afrinigs and thus completely ruining it, on top of ruining my astrophotos
Musk can fucking rot in Hell.

>>63895884
Just pain a [redacted] decal and the AI will self destroy the missile.

>>63895951
paint

>>63893465
>UV light can penetrate clouds.


So does visible light, its the scattering thats the issue. You need longer wavelengths to penetrate cloud.

>>63893349 (OP)
>uhm actually it's not stealthy i can see it right there
holy shit lol

>>63895903
>My warthunder paintjobs are better.
dazzle camo actually works for its stated purpose

>>63895978
hey, it's an american flag camo!

>>63895738
>The year is 1950 and an airplane flies overhead
That's really just an evolution of the Dowden system from the Blitz.

>>63895545
Imaging seeker missiles have been doing this already for decades. Typically they are using infrared or MMW radar imaging rather than optical (because the range and all-weather capability is far better than optical), but they have autonomous target discrimination and countermeasures rejection on the basis of comparing to a programmed dataset

"AI" is just today's buzzword because commercial entities are making image recognition algorithms utilising the same kinds of vast datasets and processing techniques that are applied to other areas of "AI" development such as LLMs.

The main reasons nobody has already been making autonomous kill vehicles ("AI missiles") are purely legal and ethical concerns about taking humans out of the loop when it comes to killing other humans.

>AI vision guided
These things can't tell a glass cat sculpture from a water bottle. That speck in the clouds 12 miles away that's a 747 may as well be considered an ICBM for all you know.
Dark speck against a swirling cloud? Omfg fire the missiles its a su57! Sir we hit a....flock of geese.

AI shit, gtfoutta here.

>>63893500
AI is great for copying work you give it with mistakes included for free and writing the most obscene perverted smut you can't find even in Iran's filthiest underground magazines.

>>63896092
The war machine springs to life, opens up one eager eye—focusing it on the sky as 99 red balloons go by

>>63896104
i won't stand for AO3 erasure. anything freaky those clankers can write was already done by some degenerate on that site long before generative AI was a thing.

>>63893349 (OP)
Plenty of modern missiles can track and kill a stealth aircraft under the right circumstances. The F-22 isn't invincible, it's just probably going to evade detection if you can't physically see it.

>>63895686
Musk spending less than his equivalent of pocket change for lootboxes in a game he actually played would be fine. It's more that when he got on stream it was pretty obvious the account had been leveled up by someone else playing it for hundreds of hours and he had about as much experience with the game as any other self-professed workaholic who ran multiple major companies while moonlighting a job with the Federal government on top of being addicted to social media. He's basically an insecure retard terrified about being perceived as anything less than the coolest and smartest guy on the planet. Unless he's specifically talking about satellite launches while the actual competent people at Space X tard wrangling him, any technical opinion he has is kinda suspect.

>>63895858
>nothing but explosions and shooting stars?

come on dude this is 'annoyingly liberal friend on discord' tier shit. spacex has done amazing shit and you are pretending it hasn't just because musk is cringe

>>63893349 (OP)
Cool so we have to wait until the plane is within 10kms before we can spot it.

>>63893717
Tigers tho

>>63893380
You think he's retarded about weapons because you know about weapons yourself. Once you get an understanding of AI, programming, politics, etc, you'll realize that he's actually retarded about everything.

>>63893349 (OP)
this is so autistic like genuinely this is how autistic people think

>>63893500
shut the fuck up I need my tech stocks to pump.
and don't you dare mention how none of them have ever posted a profitable year.

>>63895594
Is there no way to nationalize StarLink given it is a national security issue.

>>63893653
My question for you, and every other person who talks about AI systems detecting aircraft etc, is why AI will do that thing better than traditional analogue or digital signals processing. Put another way, what does AI even do in these proposed solutions that we haven't already done for a long time other ways, and how does that translate to an improvement in detection or tracking?

The thing that limits all of these systems isn't the ability to process good data to make detections and generate tracks, it's the limits on the quality of the data that can be provided and (to a much lesser extent) the computational efficiency of the processes that must be applied to the data to make it useful.

Using your example, we already have acoustic, IR, optical etc detectors and can network them, fuse them etc. How does AI let an optical camera get better effective resolution, or compensate for unknown atmosheric distortions etc better or more efficiently than existing signal processing methods?

It doesn't, in general. The thing that's frustrating about someone like Musk sperging about this shit is that it's all in fields that are adjacent to ones he's supposedly operated in at a high level for a long time (eg radio and optical astronomy being adjacent to rocketry, often even sharing the same rooms and buildings, and both of those having well understood limits on the usefulness of some of his thought bubbles).

>>63897271
the US could do it in a heartbeat if there was a need to, we have the laws on the books for it. its just that to do so at this point would make the people who actually own the politicians really nervous.

>>63897606
>The thing that limits all of these systems isn't the ability to process good data to make detections and generate tracks, it's the limits on the quality of the data that can be provided and (to a much lesser extent) the computational efficiency of the processes that must be applied to the data to make it useful.
The magic feature of AI isn't to be able to seperate data from noise, it's being able to generate data where it's missing or damaged. Obviously, that's not good enough information to launch missiles based on, but you can feed general data into it and get suggestions on where to aim more targeted sensors.

Not that I'm trying to defend the stupid claim in the OP, but there's definitely roles for neural networks in networked sensor systems and they've probably been used there alread for years.

>>63897649
Can't wait until we start launching missiles at hallucinations

>>63897726
This was my first thought about the danger of LLM-targeting. Oopsie daisy, the LLM hallucinated that a civvie airliner was a stealth aircraft and shootd it down. Or it hallucinates friendly as an enemy.

>>63897726
>Obviously, that's not good enough information to launch missiles based on

>>63897732
No one is talking about LLMs.

>USAF F-22E with banana and street sign livery to confuse Xiaomi Xiaohongshu-7 Deepseek guided missiles.

>stealth planes are useless because they can be shot down with this thing that doesn't exist
whoa what a genius

>>63895922
>>63897034
I was talking about the Starship program specifically. Don't try to dodge my points.

>>63893614
I love how the media shit on trump for releasing this photo, claiming it was revealing us capabilities. The fucking Wikipedia page for keyhole satellites has high res photos of Chinese military assets.

>pure vision
wtf does that even mean

>>63897034
reddit-ass post

>>63893349 (OP)
Well for one, BVR is out. Cloud cover and darkness can also mess with Electro-optic guidance. If the F-117 ever updates it's paint scheme it's going to be AI proof for a month or two while AI techs scramble for new pics to train the AI on.

>>63898147
>>63898317
The argument was that SpaceX as a whole was a failure, not that starship has issues. And last I recall, noguns redditor, it has achieved orbit.

Cringe gay ass faggy thread.
Just blow up a nuke in the sky and kill anything that flew. You can at least make sure it wasn't one of yours. Paranoid that there might be something flying that you don't know its existance? Blow nukes at random intervals so your rivals and enemies can't get the timing right to sneak a plane in.
Bonus: railroad revenues increasing and solar farms revenues increasing

>>63893380
>Musk really needs to shut up about anything weapon related. He manages to have the opinions of both a history channel uncle and a facebook wine aunt.

I love how he makes people so asshurt then turns out to be correct, see AMTI sats.

>>63893349 (OP)
drones mog hard

>>63898434
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starship_launches
Sounds like someone's coping about their stocks suffering from all the fuck-ups!

>>63898147
>I was trying to avoid acknowledging how incredibly successful SpaceX has been by focusing on one of their in development projects
>said project has already put the largest man made flying object into space and soft landed it multiple times

>>63899439
OK, but does she do the walk, though?

>>63899439
>sounds like someo-
You lost, lmao

>>63893828
damn robot eyes..

>>63893919

>mOsTlY sOlVed pRooBleMs

Guess they solved the problem of scatter and range while I was sleeping and now every missile is using that.
Oh wait

>>63894912
>fell for it 3 times .jpg retard tells other retard to stfu

>>63893500
AI stands for "Actually Indians"

>>63898147
>Starship is a failure!
>No I don't follow what they are doing I just watch videos of their rockets "Failing"
>What do you mean that they are pushing the rocket to the point of failure just to see what happens and record the data????

please kys reddit fag.

>>63900045
>Guess they solved the problem of scatter and range while I was sleeping and now every missile is using that.
Sure. That's why radar generally gives you greater detection and targetting range (depending on the circumstances) than Infrared Search and Track. So how does AI/Machine learning suddenly make regular camera optics the massively superior option at long range detection than either of those previous options?

just a matter of time before sealth airplanes become obsolete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-b51C82-UE

It's gonna be funny as shit when AI replaces humans in air defense rolls and it wastes the whole payload shooting down random birds minding their own business.

>>63900659
How well does this work at night and/or with overcast?

>>63893349 (OP)
just the kind of input i need from the guy whos cars do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnG_Gbxf_w

Tesla is leading the world in visual AI. This lead is dominant and will remain. This is of course applied to domestic weapons programs.

Suck it chong ching and fuck you Ivan. But most of all fuck you seething knob twiddlers that switched sides to theirs because you lost.

>>63893349 (OP)
Once captcha asks me to identify airplanes I know we're in trouble.

>>63893382
AI isn't obsolete, but Musk is a retard of he thinks optics will somehow surpass different bands of radar with such small camera apertures. Missiles in particular will be absolutely dogshit with only visual sensors as they have such small appetures.

Radar sensors are significantly better than optics at discerning noise too, except at night when they become somewhat similar (IR band)
Naturally you will need both due to advances in jamming and live counter signals back and forth. He also doesn't know anything about OTH radars.
In short, musk is talking out of noise asshole so he can get sweet MIC aerospace contracts.

Nevertheless the real future of plane detection will be live feed satellite tracking of aircraft (clouds won't matter as they can detect it using various lidars too)
I would not be surprised if we got sea or grass colored top paint soon in the next 40 years for camouflage of aircraft and drones.

>>63901354
Bet you a million bucks that every bit of data Tesla have is nice and safely and redundantly stored at both their main manufacturing centre in the US, and their other manufacturing centre

In china

Guess what that means

These threads are literally created by his meat twitterbots to shill the guy.

>>63893373
>They appear as tiny dot for both (radar because stealth magic and visual because object far away is small unga bunga), so good fucking luck trying to spot one.

>i have no idea how radar bleedthrough works and im gonna show it to the world

no its not dot this only works on 80s tech
every aesa that can pump serious power on its TR can actually push every frequency and remove the clutter fast enough
you think everyone is stupid that is actually investing on aesa of every type?

>>63902669
If only his mom hadn't called of the fight with Zuck... He could just fuck off and live a life of luxury and influence if he wasn't fucking desperate about people liking him like he's some bullied semi-tarded kid.

>>63893520
NASA contacts are a very small portion of SpaceX revenue now. Starlink revenue alone will soon exceed NASAs budget. I agree he should stick to the rockets.

>>63895398
The Neurolink chick is kind of cute though

>>63900055
Go away, noguns

>AI guided missile with a camera
If you can't detect the plane on radar and you can't see it from the ground because it's a black aircraft flying above the clouds at night, how do you know when to launch the missile? Where does the missile go if you launch it at nothing?

>>63893382
Your mom is obsolete and will get blown up by a drown

>>63893349 (OP)
Didn't seem to spot the B2s before they turned Iran's nuclear program into a historical footnote, guess gluing "AI" to existing technology doesn't magically make it outperform decades of research and top of the line military hardware.

>>63902935
>AI guided missile with a camera
its not completely foolish idea, just not *only* a camera, but radar + IR + camera so the missile cannot get fooled by flares or chaff, the missiles draws data from all 3 streams for decision

>>63902813
The rockets are only doing well because Musk is busy finding other sources of graft.

>>63903021
>its not completely foolish idea, just not *only* a camera, but radar + IR + camera
>radar
I think that's why people are calling Musk a tard. If radar is still an important part of your detection/targeting tool kit, then a stealth fighter still has a useful survivability advantage over a conventional aircraft. Even if it's not *totally* undetectable.

That said.
>IR + Camera
What exactly are the regular camera/optics giving you that the IR sensors aren't already doing?

>>63893349 (OP)
no because pure vision isn't enough to target something in the air that easily, a plane would be smaller than a mosquito at high enough an altitude and it could be obscured by atmosphere and clouds

>>63903551
You didn't really think very hard before you wrote that huh?

>>63896247
The text base for smut is actually laughably small (when condensed properly) by comparison to modern training set sizes, and essentially every AI model since 2020 has the entirety of the concepts people have written. Now how it pulls that out and writes is a matter of model quality/complexity, but,
Every AI model you can get from huggingface that fits on an 8GB GPU is guaranteed to have the..."flavor"...of every nasty little ultra niche fetish anyone has ever written.
With LLMs the method to the madness is understanding exactly how to communicate to it what to write. And the process to successfully get an intended output in general takes more time and creativity than just jacking off in bed with your mind running wild.

Unrelated to ERP'ing,
I spent a really long time with an abliterated Magistral model just to try and get it to stop hallucinating fake user inputs in the "reasoning" (waste of tokens) chain. But I will say this, by the time I had the model dialed in to truly be creative it was outperforming legendary novel writers.
"Waking up" these AIs is a painful waste of time but when you figure out how they can start pumping out the frameworks and descriptions for absolute masterpieces.