Holy shitballs. A batch of 3 Su-35's this month.
With the other 2 batches of this year that means 7 to 8 Su-35's were produced in 2025 so far.
https://files.catbox.moe/fc1ou5.mp4

>>63896638 (OP)
It's over. Berlin in 14 days

Are you sure they don't parade the same ones for the news, just like with ack-mata?

>>63896638 (OP)
sounds fake and gay

Wow ANOTHER 3? Just like the last two times? Three? Each time? Wow. All with blurred out or newly painted tail numbers? Huh. Interesting. Can we see them all together in one place, like the SU-57s?

>>63896661
n-nyet

>>63896644
>>63896661
How do you /k/ope after rafale got shotten down by j10 and !srael f35 shot down by cheap s300 and drone?

>>63896638 (OP)
Oh man. Shame the US rolled about 70 F-35s off the line in the same time period.

>>63896675
>rafale
indian pilots
>f35
literally never happened

>>63896638 (OP)
>Not showing the production floor or facility at all
Kek

Shouldn't Russia be spending it's budget on trying to ready itself for a war in the 2030s rather than the 2010s?

>that feel when no hanger big sister to hand me hot cocoa and a snackie

>>63896638 (OP)
That sounds like an efficient war machine. They can fight Hato and China at the same time I guess.

>>63896675
>shotten

>>63896675
I hope the F35 pilot is ok.

>>63896675
I sure hope you don't post any pictures of these events that definitely happened, it would prove that Russia is not pathetic but is in fact very strong!

>>63896638 (OP)
Shouldnt they be making Su57s instead? Get modern, slavs

Their production capacity for all fighter airframes is capped at around 30 per year, they can make more SU-34/35s and less SU-57s, or less SU-34/35s and more SU-57s, they can't make more of all three.

>>63896838
They are expanding the fighter jet production facilities with Chinese machine tools.

>>63896889
They still need a competent workforce which will take years to get trained, so 30 is likely still their limit for the foreseeable future.

Maybe in 3-5 years it could reach 35-40 per year and in 10 years maybe 50 per year.

>>63896838
fewer

>>63896899
Stannis... is that you?

>>63896838
More like 40 since Su-34, Su-35, Su-57 are each 12 per year and Su-30 is 4 per year.

>>63896638 (OP)
Sounds like the loss rate to me. They don't want to train pilots but want to keep already trained and also successful ejected pilots in seats shooting old missiles off. Sane.

>>63896638 (OP)
Doesn't America make like 100+ f-35s a year?

>>63896995
Something like that.

>>63896983
>are each 12 per year
they're not

SU-35 for example, they did 8-10 in 2023, and 8-12 in 2024, before that it was even fewer.
SU-34 as another example, some sources claim 12, others claim 6-10 for 2023.
SU-30 estimates are between 4 and 8 per year
SU-57 estimates are 5-8 per year except for 2023 where the estimate was 11. But 2024's estimate was just 6.

>>63896995
Lockheed says they're up to 154 per year.

>>63897095
They're shipping 170-190 this year cause they're finally done with TR-3 and can ship the ones they've been keeping in storage with TR-3 hardware while waiting for the software to be completed.

Long-term production is expected to be around 156 per year.

>>63897192
I desperately wonder if the order of delivery is at all public?

>>63897258
Most of it is public, i'm not sure about all deliveries though

>>63897300
Where would I look for the order?

>>63896813
Fuuuuck

>>63897335
You're never gonna get a full picture, it's up to each customer if they want to have it be public or not.

For example, we know Norway got their 51st and 52nd F-35s back in April, but the USAF for example doesn't announce when they take deliveries, only how many they expect to receive that year in total.

Similarly, you have countries such as japan and Italy who can assemble their own F-35s locally and thus there is no delivery from texas like you see with other F-35s. Though the Italian and Japanese facilities operate at a much lower pace than the primary manufacturing/assembly line in Texas.

>>63897335
Grok

>>63897372
That makes me sad.
t. Amateur OSINTfag
>THE CLAWWWWW

>>63897044
The F35 assembly line is honestly a far more impressive feat of engineering then the F35 itself

>>63896895
At current rates in 10 years they'll be importing workers from outer mongolia as all the slavs will be coming up sunflowers

>>63897544
>The F35 assembly line
Na, while impressive, assembly is the easiest step.
The truely impressive parts are the ones you never get to see, like the mass production of stupid complex fuselages.

Company producing critically important electronics for all Russian jets is filing for bankruptcy and firing most of its staff. Reason is that MoD pays them less for product then it costs to produce
Btw bye Su aircraft production

>>63896661
pls no bully

>>63896661
don't be an idiot
this is perfectly in line with prewar production rates

>>63896813
SHAD NO

>>63896995
<130 is "low" rate production

>>63897435
>Amateur OSINT
do some basic fucking desktop research, google deliveries of F-35 to each customer nation, and cross-reference the dates

bonus: do the same for order commitments as well. usually it's first-come first-served.

>>63898277
You’re probably right but i understand his skepticism given how often russians lie and make shit up, including times where it’s not even in their interest to do so.

>>63898217
Government will probably acquire them via the united aircraft corporation

>>63896899
DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY?

>>63898277
>this is perfectly in line with pre war production when we could import all the hi-tech components we cant make ourselves

>>63898217
But shills told me ruzzian economy is actually getting stronger...

>>63897435
I knew F-35 contained clouds for lift. They called me schizo.

>>63896638 (OP)

>>63898418
>Retvrn to Soviet
Seems like nationalization is the zigzog solution to every problem

>>63896713
>>63897335
why does it look like a mockup?
it stills needs to be painted I guess?

>>63896638 (OP)
Iran:Fxxk!!

>>63896995
Stop being russophobic, nazi

>>63898646
looks like some kind of vinyl like cover to protect it during shipping

>>63898482
super secret anglosaxon technology, planes is just cloud in a trench cot

>>63897622
>as all the slavs will be coming up sunflowers
pretty grim outlook for ukraine, ngl

>>63898456
this is a point
however they are managing to get a trickle of components through, so you'd expect them to prioritise jets over tanks; and given that the Russian military budget has tripled from peacetime, maintaining the peacetime production rate doesn't look so bad

>>63898586
>planned economy doesn't work, comrade, what should we do?
>Well let's just privatize everything and shit
30 years later
>Our private companies couldn't deliver, cumrade, what should we do?
>Just nationalize everything like our grandfathers did, that surely will do the trick
What a schizo country, lmao.

>>63898277
><130 is "low" rate production
redpill me on the downsides of having to switch to "high" rate production

>>63898277
><130 is "low" rate production
Then it's a good thing we're up to around 150-160/year for production pace, and shipping 170-190 this year due to the TR-3 backlog.

>>63898646
>>63899037
Worst bait award

>>63898460
I can't remember the last time someone said the Russian economy was doing well. I thought they gave up on that last year when it became clear it was in the hole.

>>63897044
>$125.00 an hour

>>63899215
it's mainly a bureaucratic limit; switching to high-rate production requires Congressional approval via the defence budget, and to be approved the F-35 must have less than a certain number of faults and achieve a certain number of functioning deliverables. it hasn't, yet. so they are producing as many airframes as they can just under the high-rate limit.
of course this is something of a joke because even if they did get approval for high-rate production it would really only mean an additional 20% higher output. big whoop.

in my personal uninformed outsider humble opinion, there is a bit of a negative loop here: part of the issues with the F-35 is that it doesn't have enough parts, leading to lower operational availability; it doesn't have enough parts because Congress won't give them more budget; Congress won't give them more budget until they can solve more F-35 issues... and thus Catch-22

the main reason for this is distrust from Congress because of the earlier F-35 fuckups, and negative press by reformertards of course

>>63899577
>it's mainly a bureaucratic limit; switching to high-rate production requires Congressional approval via the defence budget, and to be approved the F-35 must have less than a certain number of faults and achieve a certain number of functioning deliverables.
What the fuck? Is there actual statutory language that says this? What fucking inbred retarded Congressman did this?
Inb4 John McCain.

>>63899577
>part of the issues with the F-35 is that it doesn't have enough parts, leading to lower operational availability; it doesn't have enough parts because Congress won't give them more budget;

lmao, the response was even stupider than that too^
they decided its "smarter" and "better" to simply build whole air-craft, than waste time making parts a-la-carte

>"why ship out parts when you could just make whole new jet!??? PROFIT!!!"

>>63899660
Hi helmettard

>>63899577
Lol, lmao even

The F-35 has been in full rate production for several years now, and was given official full rate production status in march of 2024.


The difference comes up because TR-3 wasn't ready so TR-3 hardware jets were being produced, but put into storage instead of being delivered because the software wasn't ready yet, which is how they're planning to deliver 170-190 this year, even though they can only produce ~150/year.

>>63899181
Aren't most of their relevant companies already controlled by the government or government-adjacent oligarchs?
One doesn't simply do business or politics in Russia without the Kremlin spook mafia's protection.

>>63899599
no, it makes sense. and it's applicable for all vehicles and equipment

how would you allow people to build and test weapons while not letting them get carried away with boondoggles like, say, the MIM-46 Mauler? or stuff that breaks down more often than it works?
you tell them, okay, you can spend X million dollars if it's <40% functional; Y million if it's <50%, Z million if it's <60%, etc
you can build X number of units if it has 20 glitches; Y if it has 10, Z if it has 5, etc
it's a mechanism to minimise people blowing the budget on programs that ultimately don't pan out

it sounds cold and bureaucratic, but most things can be quantified. this isn't even cutting-edge rocket science, just standard production and R&D management decisions.

>>63899660
no
this also is basically math. somebody will have computed that it's cheaper to build and trash airframes than to build sub-functional airframes and upgrade them later
the only problem is that assholes reject the math.

>>63899672
buddy, last I checked, "March 2024" wasn't "several years" ago
anyway, good to know they've passed that particular hurdle
but I haven't heard that the 2025 or 2025 actual production orders are substantially above low-rate
I know of the TR-3 problem
as the other post above stated, they're just delivering stored airframes, and that mainly because partners did not accept those pre-TR-3 mod airframes
which I don't blame them; TR-3 being delayed was a travesty

>>63896638 (OP)
So uh
When is Iran getting the ones they already paid for?

Puccia can't SEAD

>>63899724
>buddy, last I checked, "March 2024" wasn't "several years" ago
They hit 130 in 2019, went down to 120 in 2020 from COVID, then did 140/year in both 2021 and 2022. 2023 was similar but deliveries were being held back so 140-150 produced with about 1/3rd going into storage. 2024 was again limited by TR-3 deliveries, but still produced 140-150 with 110 deliveries, the rest going into storage. In 2025 they're planning to deliver 170-190 while still producing 140-150.

So, like, a production rate of 15-20 jets per year would be fine if it was a country like sweden making gripens during peace time, but uh, Russia's not that.

>>63899560
>$150 an hour

>>63898460
>But shills told me ruzzian economy is actually getting stronger...

Even their central bank leader said the economy is now running on fumes as the money reserves that were supposed to secure russian economy have now been spent.

Then again, they can just force people to do slave work, just like they can send people into meat grinder.

>>63899903
>Russias economy is going to collapse any day now!!!!!!!!!

>>63899922
>day 1218 of the two day special operation

>>63899922
I normally dislike AI, but I think for you it's warranted

> The current "growth" is artificial and comes at the cost of long-term viability and the neglect of essential civilian sectors. The challenges are compounding, and while a full-blown collapse might not be imminent (especially if global energy prices remain elevated), Russia is likely heading towards a period of stagflation – low or zero growth, high inflation, and low unemployment (due to labor re-allocation to the military). The sustainability of this model is increasingly questionable as its financial buffers deplete and the underlying structural weaknesses become more pronounced.

>>63899965
> The NWF decreased its holdings of gold over the course of 2024 from 358.9 tons of the metal on 1 January 2024 to 187.7 tons on 31 December 2024, a reduction of 48% over the year

Yeah selling half your gold in a year is a good sign for sure. The other anon is retarded.

>>63899903
They're sort of keeping their economy going by making their government-owned corporations lend the government money. They're totally not war bonds. Totally. I suppose if they fail to pay the money back and the corporations go bankrupt, they can just nationalize them.
That national wealth fund they've also been using to keep the budget under control is likely to run completely out of any reasonably liquid assets some time next year.
For some reason, their economy is running kind of slow with those 20% interest rates (reportedly more like 30% for long-term shit like mortgages) and everyone assuming there is going to be a correction through massive inflation at some point.

>>63896813

>>63899965
imagine having to go full beans into war economy against one of the poorest countries in Europe
2nd army of the world lmfao
>>63899990
>They're sort of keeping their economy going by making their government-owned corporations lend the government money. They're totally not war bonds. Totally. I suppose if they fail to pay the money back and the corporations go bankrupt, they can just nationalize them.
Sounds like the trick that Hitler and his chief economic advisor used to get around rearmament scrutiny. Then when the house of cards was collapsing, they started to do some invading. Of course with Russia the invading started beforehand, then came the retarded schemes to keep the machine from imploding.

>>63899990
>For some reason, their economy is running kind of slow with those 20% interest rates (reportedly more like 30% for long-term shit like mortgages)
It's 20% central bank rate, which means that banks and other financial institutions loan at that point from the CB. Customer loans are anywhere from 25% to 55% (annual rate) depending on customer's risk level.

>>63896995
>Doesn't America make like 100+ f-35s a year?

Now compare with China...

>>63900447
china's always comparing with us actually, because they're really insecure.
much like all the china shills on this board.

>>63899965
what AI is too dumb to say is that in WW2, Britain kept up a war economy going at 30-50%+ defence spending for the whole six years
America did the same but over about four years
sure it eventually bankrupted the Empire and caused a minor postwar US recession, but in comparison, Russia is going at officially 12% of GDP
thus, it is not unimaginable that it might take twice the length of WW2 to attempt to bankrupt them this way

>>63899997
>Sounds like the trick that Hitler and his chief economic advisor used
one of the tricks, yes

To add to the conversation, it's astounded me that picrel doesn't echo what Putin is saying when it comes to the economy.

>>63900577
Again, the AI even said with energy prices staying high, it's unlikely to see a complete collapse, you could at least read it before trying to contest what it said.

>>63900598
there is a non zero chance she goes out the window, but potentially putin would prefer to rail against her as an act for the oligarchs/public but understands that she's actually right, like a trump powell situation actually
as they say in Russia, if Nabbers ran the army and Shoigu ran the central bank, Kyiv really would have went down in three weeks but a dollar would get you a thousand roubles.

>>63900598
>>63900617
she has been doing what he wants tough
her disagreement is about the means not the goals

>>63900447
I'm not sure China makes any F-35s in a given year, retard-kun.

>>63900612
I did read it
I found the answer vague, as with most AI answers, and added a possibly useful point of reference

>>63900598
it's possible that the cabal supporting Putin also supports her, bizarrely
or she's controlled opposition

>>63896675
>!srael f35 shot down by cheap s300 and drone?
photographic evidence of the F35 that was shot down
looks like they got an F35000 even

>>63899577
>Congress won't give them more budget until they can solve more F-35 issues... and thus Catch-22
if only we kept making the F22 instead
F22 definitely would have been able to evade the catch 22, that's why we made them. They're invisible, like a ninja. Nothing can catch them, not even a catch 22

>>63900700
ahh that's where i parked my
f-350

>>63898277
>don't be an idiot
I don't think it is unreasonable for Russia to show an image (not a video with cut edits) of 30 SU-35's and 30 SU-57's in one place. It is perfectly doable. I don't have any reason to not believe the USA has produce 1,000+ F-35's because I see multiple nations with them in their inventory. I have no reason to not believe the USA has produced many F-22's as I have seen images large numbers of them in one place.

Having a single image of even 10 SU-57's and 10 SU-35's in one place should not be difficult to achieve. Instead they have managed 8 SU-57's, with two being prototypes. So 6 actual SU-57's. So I don't see why it would be impossible to get 10 (with no prototypes) if they have indeed produced the 30+ t hey claim. Same with the SU-35's. It's hardly some dumb opsec thing because it proves you have at least 10.

>>63900789
It's easy to find Su-35's by satellite. 25 in this picture.

>>63900798
I was meaning more like with tail numbers visible so we know it isn't them just moving stuff around.

>>63900598
For one, she is very good at her job.
She either doesn't give a fuck anymore and wants to die or she is so important that if she dies it all comes crashing down.

>>63900938
Why not both?

>>63900598
>it's astounded me that picrel doesn't echo what Putin is saying when it comes to the economy.
There's an art to making cope into a multiple choice reality, without disrupting reality-sensitive activities.
You need to give people options, especially in sensitive areas where they have access to raw data and lies wouldn't be believed.

>>63900798
hi so a 2023 image of a base with 25 su35 is proof solid production lines? is that what im supposed to get from this?

>>63896638 (OP)
anon thats 1 a month average...

>>63899342
Just check comments of any YouTube video on ruzzostan economy or production

>>63902090
Nah that's like quarterly. They do 3-4 batches per year usually.

>>63900617
>if Nabbers ran the army and Shoigu ran the central bank
If shoigu ran the central bank, then Russia's entire sovereign wealth fund would have been invested into lumber and the country would have bankrupted and gone back to the 90s 2 months after he took office.

>>63899121
A trickle isn't enough to keep up with pre-sanction production rates unless they are doing huge downgrades with just not giving the jets certain electronics in hope to tack it back on once they can get their hands on the components they need.

>>63900447
China makes zero f-35s a year

>>63900598
Nothing surprising about this. Putin may be a retarded soviet faggot at hear, but he actually lived through the soviet shitfest so he knows that the state isn't that good with economy and he needs someone competent at market shit. And she's the best he has. Simple as.

>>63899903
This. If inflation starts to really spiral they'll just force people to work for ration cards.

Have they made any Su-57's?

>>63900598
Surprised there hasn't been an assassination attempt

More info from a Russian source (in Russian): https://rostec.ru/media/news/oak-peredala-vks-rossii-ocherednuyu-partiyu-novykh-istrebiteley-su-35s/

>>63903121
If she died or was removed, I bet domestic consumer and investor confidence would plummet. No one wants that rn.

>>63896676
unfortunately this achievement is moot as Russia not fight US

>>63903462

>>63898277
>perfectly in line with prewar production rates
And you don't think that's suspicious?

>>63902798
>A trickle isn't enough to keep up with pre-sanction production rates
you can't possibly know that

>>63903713
when one considers that they have tripled the defence budget which leaves ample room for fighter production increases, no

that's the lesson from WW2 misassessments: the Allies thought for the longest time that the industrial bombing campaign against Germany was ineffective, because German production figures (e.g. aircraft engines) remained the same. they didn't take into consideration that Germany had built new factories and made a great push to expand production, and the bombing was successfully blowing up factories so the Germans were running just to stay in place, so to speak

we don't know how true that is in this case. but it's far from outright unreasonable.

>>63897044
Worlds going to be a weird place when China has production lines like that for its 6th Gen aircraft and is pumping out dozens a month.

>>63903930
Yes okay chang, lets get you to bed, ypu can tell me more about your dreams of competence in the morning.

>>63903930
多两个礼拜

>>63903930
>6th gen
china doesn't have a 6th gen though, even their 5th gen is lacking.

>>63899121
>tripling military spending to match peacetime production isn't bad
The whole point of a war economy is to produce more war stuff

>>63904026
and the whole point of sanctions is to prevent the enemy from doing it
try to approach the situation with a bit of nuance instead of either unqualified success or unqualified failure; otherwise one is no better than a transistor, with only two states of existence

since it seems I have to spell it out: IF, as it seems, Russia is building a similar number of combat jets as they did pre-war, then they might have some success in evading sanctions and continuing to smuggle in needed foreign components (i.e. microelectronics)
on the other hand, since production has shown no major increase despite tripling the budget (and the need to replenish heavy combat losses), then sanctions might have some success in staunching the flow of needed foreign components into Russia such that they cannot increase production

the pessimistic view of course is that new production lines haven't come online yet and they're stockpiling those components or even redesigning their jets to use Chinese parts

>>63902087
That you should multiply the number of bases Russia has with 25 to get the number of Su-35 they have.

>>63904098
lol

lmao even

>>63904110
It's based on a true story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomber_gap