Thread 63897980

Can you win a war without air superiority?

>>63897980 (OP)
sure, as long as the enemy doesn't have any air power at all

>>63897980 (OP)
Nice thumbnail retard

>>63897980 (OP)
thats a vague and unhelpful question
its like asking "Can you win a war without artillery superiority?" or "can we win when outnumbered?"
but the short answer is: yes but its hard

the longer answer is: it depends on the country
if the US could not take and hold global air supremacy, then their options would be to wage a long air campaign aimed at seizing it from the enemy, with coordinated strikes against enemy airfields and fuel logistics to cripple enemy air power
so when boots touch the ground, it will be after they had seized at least air parity
the second option is to fight a much more limited ground war and concentrate their air power where possible to create localized conditions of air superiority even when theatre wide air superiority cannot be reached
the enemy can be defeated in detail over areas where superiority can be gained and then expand outwards as air power expands

for the soviets/russians air power is simply an additional dimension to the ground battle
whereas the US considered the skies a theatre on to itself
so if they cannot take air superiority, then they will generally choose to just limit what the enemy can do with that superiority through the use of tactical air cover and as many AA assets as they can concentrate over areas they intend to maneuver through

>>63898001
Can you win a war without artillery?

>>63898011
as above, the short answer is: "you could, but you would need to be really good, and the enemy really bad"

ukraine is outnumbered something like 10:1 in guns against the russians
this is why most people, at least those who didnt know how deep the cancer ran in the russian army, assumed ukraine would be easily swept away

but as with the above example of "beat them within limited spheres where you can concentrate your limited resources and defeat them in detail" , ukranians are able to use their less numerous artillery to destroy russian gun systems, ammo dumps, and logistical convoys which deliver the ammo to the guns
so the firepower has dropped down to just 5:1 and it keeps on dropping as the attrition takes its toll on the russians
only time will tell if this is enough for them to win, there is no end in sight for now, but we are seeing them show the ability to create local conditions of firepower superiority even when theatre wide conditions are that of inferiority

If you have meat, you can win.

>>63897993
womp womp mudslime

>>63898783
>israeli chud
JIDF is working hard for those shekels as of late

>>63898802
Props to them, I do it for free.

>>63897980 (OP)
>>63899284
>>63898802
>>63898783
>>63898042
Mogged by drone

>>63899287
>Another Ukraine shill
If drones are so heckin cool then why haven't they ended the war?

>>63899290
Go die in a fucking ditch like the rest of ur kumrads zigger faggot shill

>>63899290
Go back to /pol/

>>63899290
Please just go back to where you came from

>>63899284
Just like our beloved janitors

>>63899707
kek that's some pretty high quality trolling

not only does it piss off the mudshits but their butthurt confirms to normies the bloodthirsty nature of their "scripture"

>>63897993
>He has to use a decade old clip
lmao. How many Middle Easterners died today alone?

>>63898783
>>63898802
You forgot to post the newer version

>>63900728
Normies are learning the same thing about the Talmud

>>63897980 (OP)
yes.
Afghanistan, repeatedly.

>>63897980 (OP)
Sure, you can turn everyone on the ground into vapor.

>>63903188
>getting absolutely BTFO'd into hiding until your enemy gives up trying to civilize your shithole because your "people" are pants-on-head retarded
eh, i guess you can call that a win

>>63901075
It's just doesn't hit the same without the Sneaky Egyptian.

>>63903265
>Amerifat don't understand grit, fortitude and patience
Go Figure

>>63903188
the lost every battle, but they won the war.

>>63903284
after 20 years of trying to civilize retards, you should know when to give up.

>>63903296
a truly cultured civilization needn't force itself upon others, it simply waits

North Vietnam did
Iran just did (Israel didn't have air superiority over their own nation either from ballistic missiles)

>>63903455
>North Vietnam did
they couldnt force a victory while the enemy had air superiority
they didnt actually win until the US left and took their air power with them, and they prevailed over the under equipped south vietnamese

>>63903494
They still won in the end. If the enemy decides to give up for whatever reason, they've been defeated.

It's the same with say, Afghanistan for both the Soviets and NATO.

>>63903296
Sounds like cope from losers and quitters

>>63903538
go civilize them dawg

>>63903296
Should've done what the Khan did. March in, kill every male older than 10, sell the survivors into slavery, and pile up all the skulls outside the charred ruins of Kabul, then leave. It's literally the only way you can beat them, everyone else marched in with their naive gay notions of peace and teaching them to be better and they lost. This is the only way these "people" understand, it's what they did at the dawn of civilization and it's what they're still doing long after the sun set on them.
Sure, the media would throw a shitfit, but arguably they also should be killed and thrown on the pile of flayed corpses.

>>63903512
They couldn't win while under air inferiority
Then they won when they did

>>63905532
war crimes aren't allowed these days because it gives everyone a casus belli on you and it would make wreck war enthusiasm because genocide is even more unpalatable to the public than losing.
The moment Americans start doing that that shit, all of Afghanistan's neighbor will start supporting them and turning it into a bigger quagmire. The US would be put under sanction, allies would be wary, American people would demand a stop to the killing. It's impossible to for a first world democracy to carry out genocide unless the Afghan did something extremely evil, genocidal to generate an extremely bad PR for the world and the American public to agree to such harsh measures

>>63897980 (OP)
JIDF going ham tonight.

>>63903265
Talibs are bros

>>63905532
To be fair, Elam was also fighting a civil war and the Persians. And Assyria ceased to exist less than 2 decades later.

>>63897980 (OP)
United States, have a bomb that can go through the whole earth to hit targets on the other side...

>>63903284
That only works when dealing with other humans. Unfortunately, the US was dealing with mentally ill, low IQ animals in a pedophilic death cult.

>>63903442
Waiting for literally mentally retarded inbred pedophiles in a death cult to become human? lol lmao even.

>>63897980 (OP)
YES

>>63897980 (OP)
Yes, in 1917.

>>63907400
>mentally ill, low IQ animals in a pedophilic death cult.
>>63907410
>mentally retarded inbred pedophiles in a death cult

Jews?

>>63908125
yes. usa lost to jews long ago and is effectively ruled by them. american police can't touch the jews, they have their own jew police (shomrim).

>>63903265
positive K/D ratio against a coalition of 72 countries led by USA and their pet ANA project.
yes, that's exactly what you call a win. harass and kill the occupants and their puppets until they fuck off. then watch them cope on the internet.

>>63897993
>Individual American soldiers killed two decades ago is equal to the destruction of your entire air force, air defense network, nuclear program, military leadership, and foreign proxies you spent decades building
Each American must be a demigod.
>>63903512
>If the enemy decides to give up for whatever reason, they've been defeated.
By that logic, the US won Vietnam in 1973.
North Vietnam won in 1975 because it possessed a massive advantage in manpower and conventional military capabilities over South Vietnam. This includes their actions to degrade the RVNAF prior to and during the Ho Chi Minh Offensive, and also their ability to contest control of South Vietnamese airspace with SAMs and their own aircraft.

>>63897980 (OP)
Yes you can, but it'll be costly. See Vietnam, Afghanistan. Wars are won by strategy more than tactics