Thread 63898876

how do you prove a bunker buster actually busted a bunker? is there some ground radar that can show the bunker collapse?

>>63898876 (OP)
Prove to who?

As for how you KNOW: glowies.

>>63898876 (OP)
Isn't there supposed to be some sort of satellite based land assessing thing for detecting minerals and structures near the surface? Swear I remember that being a "thing" that popped up 5-7 years back that people were talking about being in use. Might be misremembering

>>63898889
even glowies cant see through rock. i think right now, not even the iranians know if the american bombs actually made it all the way down.

>>63898898
Lidar? It's a thing but I don't think it can see that far down.

>>63898898
>>63898924
you're thinking of ground-penetrating radar and magnetic anomaly detection. GPR requires you to be on the surface and sit there walking back and forth on an area, and MAD requires at least an overflight at low altitude.

in theory, hyperspectral satellites may be able to get a vague idea of where things were build based on shit like polarization and ground stress analysis but the true capabilities of hyperspectral imaging are classified way beyond TS-SCI

>>63898876 (OP)
>how do you prove a bunker buster actually busted a bunke
by detecting the emission of nuclear material that were in the bunker
that would be a definitive proof methinks

>>63898994
how would the radiation get out of the mountain? the bunker busters went right down the ventilation shafts, so this exit is gone and the israelis bombed the main entrances, so the radiation cant get out there either.

>>63898876 (OP)
I busted a bunker while thinking of the results of the strike.

>>63898876 (OP)
> how do you prove a bunker buster actually busted a bunker?
You sweet summer child. Your supreme leader truths it and then you jail anyone who disagrees with the official government position for discrimination of Army or something.

how did the bombs get past the laser defenses?

>>63898876 (OP)
you can estimate based on the number of bombs dropped and bunker depth. 12 bombs fell on Frodo, we can see 6 entry holes in very tight groupings of 3. I don't think there's any good faith discussion to be hand about if the centrifuges got wrecked or not, and nothing else inside that facility matters

>>63899061
i am actually interested in the rationale here. they dropped 6 bombs, but why not 9 or 12 or 16? why did they stop at 6?

and general caine mentioned today that the pilots saw a bright explosion, but wouldnt that mean the bomb exploded on the surface, which is a little bit odd, when the bomb was supposed to explode 60meters below ground.

>>63899103
it was 12 bombs. The strike package was 7 B-2s, each carries 2 bombs. One was tasked for a different base, the rest dropped their shit on Frodo. You only see 6 entry holes because they entered in pairs one by one

>>63899096
>if the centrifuges got wrecked or not, and nothing else inside that facility matters
the centrifuges got wrecked by the vibration and power loss alone. what matters most is if they got the enriched uranium that was stored inside. showing holes in a mountain doesnt prove anything and i find it very odd that the american gov is so angry about anyone questioning it. why not just say "its probably destroyed, but we arent 100% sure because we cant look inside"? they probably need it to be an accepted "fact" because they want to move on politically and militarily. by admitting the result wasnt complete obliteration they would technically be forced to follow up on the strike and do additional strikes, boots on the ground, regime change etc. and they dont want to do that.

>>63899124
if the Iranians have IQ above 70 they probably evacuated the uranium a long time ago. Even then, there's nothing to "destroy" about uranium. If the facility was completely buried, it would still be possible to dig it back out eventually for far less effort than restarting the nuclear program would be and America and Israel would have to keep hammering mining equipment around the site for years.

Point is, the centrifuges are gone. Uranium probably is not, but that was never a realistic prospect, so in my opinion it was a successful strike

>>63899141
is there any real indication that they moved the uranium? i would imagine that these facilities were being monitored constantly ahead of the planned bombing

>>63899141
>Point is, the centrifuges are gone.
are they? we dont even know that. the fordow facility is 80-90meter deep underground. the wikipedia page of the gbu 57 bomb says it can penetrate through 18 meters of concrete or 60meters of ground, so one bomb isnt enough. they dropped 2 bombs on the same spot in succession, but they didnt show any proof that actually leads to additional penetration depth.

>>63899160
none aside from shitskin cope, but I think that it would be a reasonable precaution. I guess we will see if Iran rushes to excavate the bunker again or not

>>63899167
>it was 12 bombs. The strike package was 7 B-2s, each carries 2 bombs.
i dont know, wouldn't that be enough?
it isn't like you can still use them even if they were a "little" damaged, these are highly precise machines arent they

>>63899160
trump made his 2 week ultimatum, the next day a line of trucks showed up at the facility and carried stuff away. trump was probably informed that the iranians are using his 2 week ultimatum to get their nuclear stuff to safety, so he eventually greenlit the attack before there was nothing left to bomb. just my 2 cents.

>>63899172
I feel like leaving it in the base that you believe to outside the capability of the US, and especially the Jews, to destroy is a better precaution then moving it somewhere and hoping that Mossad doesn't know, given how clearly they were able to track down whoever the fuck they wanted to bomb.

>>63899167
centrifuges are extremely sensitive to vibration. They would get fucked up from getting shaken too hard, there's a reason why Stuxnet was so effective. I highly doubt any would survive this many bombs blowing up in close proximity. even going by worst case scenario performance estimates for MOPs, they should have gotten within ~20 meters of the centrifuge hall

>>63899197
Only if they're running, and while I do believe they got a kill on the bunker, there's no way the Iranians are so stupid to keep them running while they know there's a good chance of getting bombed, right?

>>63899024
>how would the radiation get out of the mountain?
IF it got out, that would be the definitive proof that a bunker buster actually busted a bunker
read op post, dummy and don't overdose on all the jewish hopium you spreading

>>63899212
im willing to bet a dozen 4 ton bombs produced enough kinetic force to fuck up some highly sensitive equipment and i base that entirely on nothing

>>63899184
>and carried stuff away
Proof? Looked more like carrying dirt in to dump at the entrances and ventilation shafts.

>>63899167
>the fordow facility is 80-90meter deep underground.
Proof?

>>63898922
>even glowies cant see through rock
What is human intelligence?

>>63899184
>They just moved highly enriched ura ium around on the back of dump trucks
Think anon, think.

>>63899123
>Frodo
I am still sad that they didn't call the operation Mount Boom, or Legolasers, or some shit like that.

>>63899233
nuclear centrifuges aren't really that sensitive or complex, the trouble in developing a nuclear program is basically just that the material is hard to find, intrinsically hazardous, requires expertise, and will instantly aggro any of your neighbors even if you join a treaty and let the IAEA inspect your sites
stuxnet worked by basically infecting every SCADA it could find and just brutalizing the gas centrifuges by spinning them faster and faster until they broke, it tore the iranian nuclear program down because basically every single piece of computer equipment associated with it had to be completely scrapped and wiped and the systems rebuilt

>>63899160
>is there any real indication that they moved the uranium?
There was a satellite image of a line of trucks leaving Fordow a couple of days before the Americans bombed it.
>>63899172
American media was talking about using bunker busters on Fordow for days before Trump authorised it, the Iranians definitely moved their uranium.

>>63899212
>Only if they're running
Given that it takes nearly half a year to stop them, I'd wager they were.

>>63899184

Fully agree.

And Israeli DU and thorium weapons won't help. They provide more raw material for more Iranian bombs. At least the USA had a more rational approach with their clean (kinetic Pu) bombs that reduced ambient (atmospheric) DU and Th232 around strike areas.

>>63899256
>They moved it
Such a bizarre cope. its their most bomb-proof facility. If they move it, the trucks can easily be followed and the new (less secure) facility can be bombed.

Also, you don't move highly enriched uranium around on dump trucks.

>>63899257
In that case, I would 100% agree they're very expensive paperweights then.

>>63899266
>Also, you don't move highly enriched uranium around on dump trucks.
These are the same people who fuck goats and them marry their cousins. What would radiation do to them? Make them retarded or infertile? In that case, it should grab a ticket and get in line.

>>63899274
It would ruin the uranium they spent years and billions of dollars enriching. It's also really, really, easy to follow the trucks to a new location that is not going to be as resistant to bombing. They didn't move it because the whole purpose of the site was to be the most bomb-proof facility they have.

This is such a stupid cope.

>>63899266
It’s much easier to hide the uranium from B2 bombers than to defend it from bunker busters.
>the trucks can easily be followed and the new (less secure) facility can be bombed.
How are you going to track 20 covered trucks moving to 20 different locations in Iran?
>you don't move highly enriched uranium around on dump trucks.
Iran’s 400kg of highly enriched uranium can be moved on one truck.

>>63899281
I just retorted on the "you don't move it in dump trucks" part, with "they are retarded enough to do it". Their closest allies are busy attacking their four times smaller neighbor on donkeys and golf carts as we speak.
They either have a deeper dugout in the same facility, to make sure most survives the hit (like some reinforced wells etc. perhaps?) or if it were still in the centrifuges, it's currently a half-buried cavern flooded with uranium hexafluoride gas and superheated yellowcake, sprinkled with 60%+ enriched uranium dust.

>>63899292
>How are you going to track 20 covered trucks moving to 20 different locations in Iran?
Come on now this is pure cope. It's almost as if there are satellites above, and intelligence and turncoats on the ground.

i don't think it really matters
and it will have a counter-productive effect across the world
attacking countries that don't have nukes so they don't get nukes or because you want whatever from them (see russia-ukraine), will just speed up the process of nations getting them

it's the gun control argument at the nation state level

nations should work more towards diplomacy and getting along in a future that will have nukes everywhere

>>63899292
>How are you going to track 20 covered trucks moving to 20 different locations in Iran
Same way we know what they talk about in Kremlin SKIFs plus satellites plus the fact that Israel had drones operating in that airspace.

>>63899300
>It's almost as if there are satellites above
Satellites with limited resolutions, satellites which have limited radar capabilities which render them useless during nighttime or cloud cover. Iran is a huge country, you cannot continuously track 20 moving targets with the 3 or 4 satellites overpassing Iran at any given time.

>turn coats
By this point all Iranian scientists and engineers would have been told to ditch their phones, and they would be heavily monitored, turncoats wouldn’t be able to contact the Israelis at will without attracting suspicion.

>>63899256
The trucks plugged the entrance with dirt
They didn’t move shit

>>63899212
You can't just turn them off like that, they take a stupid amount of time to throttle down from their 60 gorillion RPMs. IIRC it literally takes months to shut them down.

>>63899313
It’s been nearly 2 weeks since Israel started its attack on Iran, all Israeli drones inside Iran have been destroyed by now, and even if they weren’t, they can be easily spotted if they were tracking truck convoys.

>>63899319
>Satellites with limited resolutions, satellites which have limited radar capabilities which render them useless during nighttime or cloud cover
Board tourism is alive and well, I see.

>>63899306
>nations should work more towards diplomacy and getting along in a future
True, but kinda hard to do with nations whos state religion and ideology is "Death to America, Death to Israel"

>>63899329
Cope and seethe. Read the reports of any intelligence expert in America, the US has no idea where Iran’s uranium currently is.

>>63899328
…where are you getting that information. I’ve seen 2 drones get killed over iran

>>63898876 (OP)
Can't drop a fake bomb if you get shot down

>>63899306
>attacking countries that don't have nukes so they don't get nukes
Nope, not why Iran was attacked at all.

Places like Japan and Switzerland have trivial breakout capacities and nobody is attacking them, know why? Because they aren't decades-long state sponsors of terrorism. Not being turides also helps in this, of course. These are the reasons Iran was attacked. The nukes are a side-show.

>>63899334
You turdies cope, seethe and dilate on scales rarely seen outside of Californian pride parades.
>>63899337
I wish they would keep making these videos, it's amazing that they somehow become dumber by the day, yet especially Arabs and assorted central Africans believe them as gospel.

>>63899330
That's why you have your own. MAD works quit well, and if a nation decides to suicide via nuke, there's not much we can do about that.

>>63899344
kikes lost, gigachad muslim caliphate took over sissies europe, ITS OVER

>>63899344
Less ad hominem, more proofs. Go on then, post any ‘expert’ who knows where Iran’s uranium currently is. Iran’s uranium might have even left Iran, gone to Russia or North Korea.

>>63899340
That's the gun control argument all over again. Israel has committed terrorism in is existence and done many terrible things.

Japan has done terrible things in its existence.

And on and on for all nations.

>>63899355
least obvious bait award, die in a fire goyim. IsraeliGODS rule the earth

>>63899337
I hate phones, now I have to deal with retards on the internet.

>>63899355
Also Russia won Eastern Europe, it's ovyir :(
>>63899359
>proofs
Hell yeah proofposting is bac!

>>63899362
>>63899365
>>63899366
no proof, no evidence,bjust shit posting. many such cases of third world retardation

>>63899240
>>the fordow facility is 80-90meter deep underground.
>Proof?
https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/inside-iran-s-hidden-nuclear-fortress-what-to-know-about-fordow-1.500168783

>>63899371
Wait, so you, a turdie, call burgers and europoors turdies? We are either misquoting posts or you are Dopinder-tier projecting.

>>63899124
Iran capitulated after the fact, which makes it very clear something happened to their efforts

>>63899384
>>63899378
>>63899371
>>63899366
>>63899365
Quit samefagging schizo, I fucking hate summer newfags desu

>>63898922
"The facility is so fucked we can't even reach the important sensitive part of it to check on it" is a pretty good indication that the important sensitive part is really fucked.

>>63899160
You are right, there is no way to move the uranium since these sites have been under almost every country in the world’s microscope since Iran’s nuclear deal

>>63898876 (OP)
open door
see its busted
go home

>>63899184
Why would they move it to open surface from potentially the safest location in Iran to store this shit? Especially during an active attack from Israel? Use your brain

>>63899406
>worlds worst editing skills
they dont pay you very much do they

>>63899420
There comes a point where your bait is just too weak, please have some shame and reflect on your actions.

>>63899408
>20 covered trucks leave Fordow
>each of them head to 20 hidden locations where 5 identical trucks are waiting
>each of those 5 identical trucks at the 20 locations leave to second hidden locations, that’s 100 moving trucks heading to 100 different locations you have to track.
If the Iranians wanted to be extra sure that their uranium would be safe from American attack, they would have shipped it to Russia via the Caspian Sea.

>>63899419
America could keep attacking Fordow and eventually reach and destroy the uranium if it was left there, it’s much easier to hide the uranium.

The US did test the MOP, they knew it would work
https://x.com/fab_hinz/status/1938001458655269357
And further, it did hit the locations they set out to hit
However, Iran did move the uranium days before, as the United States had called them and told them that they'd be bombed
The MOP worked, but they have other facilities. It's just a fact.

>>63899391
>Iran capitulated
does iran know that? because khamenei spoke today on iranian tv and basically declared victory. he also threatened to hit american bases again if the usa bomb them again. that doesnt sound like capitulation to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WzNaJcT2Lc

>>63899423
>BAIT! EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS BAIT!
Sounds ruzzian to me

>63899479
>putin posting this nigga when half the thread is people repeating “proofs??”
Lol

>>63899479
Since I am anti-Russian you are either ramping up the bait to ascend to top zigger, or we misquoted each other.

>>63899340
>That's the gun control argument all over again.
In the traditional sense of blacks and the mental ill not having rights to arms, I guess? Yeah, Iran is like that I suppose. Rather thin relation though.
>acktually all nations are...le BAD!
Oh, turdie hurt feelings then.
Carry on.

>>63899419
>the safest location in Iran to store this shit?
the entire world was googling b2 bomber and bunker buster and fox news was preparing the american populace for hours about the imminent strike. would you keep your stuff in a bunker that the americans say they are coming for with a bunker buster? iran is fuck huge, plenty of places to hide stuff. they could split the enriched uranium up to 50 or 200 different storage sites. good luck getting all of those.

>>63899350
>if a nation decides to suicide via nuke, there's not much we can do about that.

Turns out, we can and did by bombing the shit out Iran. Iran is unable to pass the national 4473 to own a gun, if we want to continue with the firearm analogy.

>>63899360
>That's the gun control argument all over again.
In the traditional sense of blacks and the mental ill not having rights to arms, I guess? Yeah, Iran is like that I suppose. Rather thin relation though.
>acktually all nations are...le BAD!
Oh, turdie hurt feelings then.
Carry on.

>>63898876 (OP)
There is technology that can measure the change in surface height above the structure before and after. Reduction in surface height would indicate collapse below.
Depends if that type of data was taken before the strike though

>>63899510
There is no “right to bear” a nuclear weapon. Especially if you explicitly forfeited that right decades ago
I think any sane person would agree less country’s with nukes is better, especially if we’re talking about an incredibly unstable country that likes to do silly little terror attacks

FYI don’t listen to what this retard says. He has major TDS because they gutted ISAB, which he was a member of. Straight up retard.

>>63899292
>How are you going to track 20 covered trucks moving to 20 different locations in Iran?
a spy satellite orbits earth about every 90 minutes. there are over 240 united states spy satellites above you.
imagine some are already tasked to watch the area right, trucks start moving in any direction well they better be invisible or moving very quickly.

>>63899360
If my neighbor that constantly threatens to kill me and has attacked me on numerous occasions reaches for a gun mid-argument, I'm shooting him first.

>>63899359
>>63899334
i thought we were talking about the ability of spy satellites to track moving trucks full of uranium

>>63899506
why are people making shit up like its the 1920s and the best observational technology we have are hot air balloons

>>63899424
baiting or retarded, can't tell with browns

>>63899562
>truck with container filled with enriched uranium drives into warehouse
>5 trucks leave the ware house
>all 5 trucks drive into other warehouses
>5 trucks each emerge out of these 5 other warehouses
>repeat a few times and you have literally thousands of trucks that could potentially carry the enriched uranium

where is the uranium?

>>63899184
>a line of trucks showed up at the facility
Those were dump trucks. The satellite photo showing them empty also showed them lined up at the exit *leaving*, and showed dirt at the tunnel entrances with dump truck and earth mover tracks in it. The iranians didn't move shit, they buttoned down Fordow as best they could in the very limited time they had, and hoped for the best.

>>63899606
are they also travelling on 5 different roads out of the facility you fucking clown?

>>63899437
Also, apparently the weapons are even more accurate than thought
the middle hole was the hole that all six went through
the first MOP was blowing a concrete cover off the ventilation
the five others flew through the one middle hole, the holes on the side were already there from the ventilation after the cover was blown off

>>63898876 (OP)
You probably just watch it on satellite for a couple of weeks to see if anybody comes out.

>>63899539
But enough about Israel

>>63899596
Post nose, moshe

>>63899644
post hands mohammad

>>63899616
Nta, yes.

Also, no one in this thread has addressed the possibility I presented, about Iran shipping its u

>>63899650
I’m Black, not Muslim. It’s quite obvious you’re a coping Jew.
>>63899654
*Iran shipping it’s uranium to Russia.

>>63899611
maxxar only provided 2 pics, one from 19th and one from 20th of june, so 2 days before the strike. anything could have happened in between. and the first israeli attacks happened on 13th and 14th. thats when they started to beg for american bunker busters. so iran had more than a week of preparation time for the bunker buster attack. thats plenty of time to move stuff.

>>63899709
lord in heaven please tell me this retard doesnt actually believe there is only two available pictures two days apart for a military target awaiting bombing in your year 2025

>>63899662
>i’m not a brownoid
>i’m this OTHER flavour of brownoid
You sure got him champ

>>63899734
stop samefagging. My race had nothing to do with your Jewish deflection.

>>63899746
now tell me im using a vpn jamal

>>63899748
stop trying to change the subject, ‘Brown’ is not a valid counterargument to the possibility that Iran moved and hid its uranium

>>63899769
>>63899748
>>63899746
>>63899734
>>63899731
Samefagging schizo award

>>63899265
>DU
>raw material for bombs

>>63899731
thats what got published. the unpublished stuff might even be worse. trump cant admit mistakes so obviously he will not tell and hsi underlings know that he doesnt tolerate being contradicted.

>>63899775
no

>>63899780
>>thats what got published.
AND?

>>63899465
>basically declared victory
That's what they do after capitulating.

>>63899662
lol you gotta go back to wherever you came from

>>63899709
Are you aware that the NRO doesn't rely on free Maxxar pictures?

>>63898876 (OP)
can we just ask the Iranians?

I know that sounds ridiculous, but that country is infested with spies.

>>63899908
germany didnt do that. japan didnt do that. their entire goverment and constitution was changed, their political parties reset, some outlawed, they got occupied for decades and did not threaten the usa again. thats what capitulating looks like.

>>63899591
But he's right, Hegseth cant announce bombs on Fordo and bomb somewhere else

>>63899930
yeah their footage is probably way worse. trump ended his 2 weeks ultimatum after just 2 days. there must have been a reason for that. i bet my ass they spotted the iranians driving truck loads of stuff away. so they had to act fast, before it was all gone.

>>63899958
he didnt have to, because they never moved anything

>>63899123
>it was 12 bombs. The strike package was 7 B-2s, each carries 2 bombs
>12 bombs
>7 B-2s, each carries 2 bombs

>>63899976
they probably do now. the site must be teeming with iranian military trying to assess the damage and cleaning up the rubble. they will dig the uranium out and move it to a deeper tunnel.
i dont know why trump lets that happen. in 10-15 years someone will have to bomb iran again and then it might not work anymore when iran has moved everything even deeper underground.

>>63899984
2 were dropped on fordow, the rest on natanz

>>63900015
other way around
two on natanz, the rest on fordow
6 per ventilation shaft at fordow

>>63900015
>>63900024
also it's not six entry holes
it's two entry holes
secdef already said today that the concrete cover was blown off and the two holes to the side in each group were just regular ventilation holes
so 1 MOP used to blow the concrete covers off and 5 entered the one hole

>>63900035
>The strike appears to have targeted parts of the facility that Iran had constructed into the mountain and then later covered. Historical imagery from 2009 shows these buildings under construction at these locations.

>>63900011
thats gonna be AOC's problem

>>63900035
>>63900042
yeah, and secdef said today that they're not multiple holes
they all entered the one hole per vent shaft, the two vent shafts
the holes to the side were there from before, they're vent holes below the concrete cover that got blown off

yup damn straight the iranian nuke bunker was 100% destroyed no need to worry about it anymore its gone.

>>63900047
>From another angle, some of the possible impact points at Fordow appear to be directly above the main cascade hall.

>>63900046
Handing over trump and netanyahu to the iranians in exchange for stopping their nuclear weapons program.

>>63900035
a mine shaft collapse in 90 meters depth does not cause visible changes at ground level. a visible change at surface level is rather indicative of a collapse closer to the surface. might just be the collapse of the ventilation shaft. but im not a miner.

>>63900083
if theres anyone i trust more than israel its iran

>>63900087
Not like the west loses anything even in iran reneges.

probably look for dust/smoke exiting the ventilation shafts

>>63900107
interesting.

is that why the iranians covered the entrances? to deny the americans the smoke exit plume and thus the confirmation of a successful strike?

>>63900051
If you pretend their nuke program is intact and tweet enough maybe it’ll become true

>>63899963
>yeah their footage is probably way worse.
this better be bait, boy

>>63900084
I dunno, man, if the bombs create a large enough cavity inside it could have some subsidence on top. Doubly so with them being vent shafts/whatever that got slid in by MOP, there's already a void there that the MOPs just enlarged.

A webm from the same source. Nothing new, but it does give a nice overview of the site.
https://x.com/osc_london

>>63900174
might be decoy vent shafts. that was already a staple of many bunkers in ww2.

>>63899775
i'm just
>>63899734 sit down schizo-negro, multiple people can mock your brown ass at the same time

>>63898876 (OP)
You'd deploy sensors into the area that would monitor for radiation leakage.

>is there some ground radar
cool it with the antisemitism

>>63900166
why? do you think they would publish photos that show trumps decision to give the iranians extra time to remove stuff was kind of bad? they would get instantly attacked by trump and his henchmen. you can see that right now with the leaker witch hunt. they are furious because an early intel report got out. basically if the intel is not in their favor youre not going to be presented with it.

>>63899226
Anon, you don't HAVE to humiliate yourself on every thread.

>>63899662
The idea of Iran dispersing its stockpile is valid, though in reality it would need to be much, much more complicated than what you suggest to hope to be any sort of effective. However, it comes with a bunch of problems as well: it's not hard to build a computer model to track ingoing and outgoing traffic from multiple buildings, it's very manpower and logistically intensive to do so, the more people involved the more likely you are to have a leak, and you've got the issue of now having to keep track of a dispersed uranium stockpile -that ideally should have an equal or larger amount of decoys - in the middle of your leadership getting bombed. This would be an idea for a month ago, not right now. As far as shipping it all to Russia, that's fine as long as Israel can't intercept it en-route, can't get to it in Russia, Russia can be trusted to properly store it, and Ukraine not blowing it up to secure Israeli support in its war with Russia. And it comes with the wrinkle that Iran would functionally no longer have a stockplile.

>>63899123
>it was 12 bombs

>>63900457
I'll ask again; are you aware that Maxxar isn't a government agency and that the NRO has its own satellites?

>>63900507
Please explain how you can make that many distinct craters >>63900042 using only two bombs

>>63900560
i am just noticing that while everybody claims the site is being intensely watched, we are only getting 2 pre-strike pics from maxxar and 1 from airbus and nothing else and the president and the defense sec totally lose their temper and get super angry, insulting and defensive when asked about it. it may just be the streisand effect but its really odd.

>>63898994
beat me to it

>>63899024
>how would the radiation get out of the mountain?
Six ~5,000lb HE warheads were dropped, three on each entrance. The path of least resistance for the 30,000 lbs of HE would have obviously been the tunnels since the bombs bury themselves. Presumably the pressure waves would travel through the corridors and would more or less meet in the main hall with some jitter from the dueling pressure waves creating additional agitation.

If these assumptions are correct, radioactive material would presumably be pushed out of the ventilation shafts because that would be the path of least resistance for the pressure to escape.

To measure for this change, a baseline measurement of radiation should have been taken around the ventilation shafts before the attack to compare to samples taken after the attack. Then you would have real evidence of centrifuge soup or not. However, our government would need smart people to plan the attack. Smart people would have explicitly designed a verification mechanism into the attack plan. Instead of smart people, we have people operating our government only on the basis of their loyalty to a hostile foreign power as opposed to ability.

Just reasoning this out. This facility was created with the explicit intention of not being vulnerable to bombing. If the Iranians knew the entrances were exposed and there was a persistent threat of the entrances being bombed due to their exposure, you'd think the Iranian risk analysis, security, and facilities engineering teams would have designed the facility to not be vulnerable to a direct attack on the entrances with unclassified munitions. After all, that's the entire intent of the facility.

There is a hubris overshadowing Israel's jewhad against Iran that the Iranians are retarded. However, we can clearly see Israel underestimated Iran's counter offensive capacity. It looks like whoever planned this snafu expected continuing escalation and a ground invasion.

>>63899257
That can't possibly be true

>>63900761
chatgpt says 4-6 hours.

>>63900679
i dont know why you think that trump, hegseth, or anyone in this administration had anything to do with this operation which was likely sketched out years ago. militaries have plans for all kinds of things that never happen. but i guess youre just mad at trump about something

>>63899123
Assuming we take the press conference today as being truthful it was 2 entry holes. the other 2 holes on either side were the nearby vents getting blown the fuck out by the 6 MOPs dropped in the middle vent

>>63900679
>If these assumptions are correct, radioactive material would presumably be pushed out of the ventilation shafts because that would be the path of least resistance for the pressure to escape
If the material was stored correctly, which is the assumption, then there is a chance that only a minimum amount of uranium would have been vented, if at all. There's a bunch of assumptions to be left in the garden about this (hehe).

The big thing is that, regardless of the nuclear material's condition, Iran's fucked. If the uranium is cooked, they're fucked. If the uranium is unharmed but buried, they're fucked. If the uranium is unharmed and the bunker is just a little fucked up, they're still fucked because they have no AD and have no way to shuttle anything out of there without getting tagged by Isreali F-35's.

>>63900872
It probably got tabled because of the reasons stated above, but trump needs to project he's strong and doesn't consider the exact opposite results occurring, which if the reports are true the US totally failed in stopping the Iranian's nuclear program.
This is exactly like trump's birthday military parade where instead of projecting strength like he wanted, it just made him and the US military look weak.
The moral is weak leadership can undermine even something that's peerless like the US military.

>>63901017
tds tranny oof.

>>63901055
Vatnik npc oof.

>>63901017
holy meds

>>63901017
yeah i dont know if you do something that results in condemnation from china and russia while receiving praise from germany and the uk im pretty sure you did something right.

>>63901017
unlike whatever shitass country youre from, if our president straight up lies about something we can actually find out he was wrong.

>>63898876 (OP)
nuclear raditaton maybe? would the 400kg of enriched uranium actually emit radiation if hit by a big bomb?

other than that the only way I can see to asess damage is to go inside

also why did they build upwards the mountain instead of straight into it or even go deeper under it?

>>63899395
no it just mean you can reach those sensitive parts like you just said

>>63899419
>during an active attack from Israel
the trucks where there before that started

>>63901110
Doesn't that show his incompetent given you wouldn't find out unless someone leaked it?

>>63900872
I wasn't referring to any of them. I was referring to the mission planners, probably Aman and the DIA. It's sloppy not to build a verification mechanism into a 100 million dollar attack. Israel has done this with their assassination operations too, claiming people are dead who are in fact not dead and totally unharmed.

The inherent flaw in the thinking up and down the chain of command is that Iranians are retarded goatfuckers. This enemy image perpetuated by Israel has lulled everyone involved with the operations against Iran into complacency.

Trump is probably the least bad president in my lifetime overall. The entire upper ranks of the US military should be purged and replaced with retired combat arms guys. Hegseth is a huge improvement over SECDEF Kingsford and Mark "Open the Border" Esper, who would be hanged for treason by a real country.

The only problem with them is they are puppets of the Adelsons who flew the worst spy in US history home to Israel. They obviously do not comprehend that Israel is not an ally but an internal security threat that has instrumentalized them.

>>63900954
>only a minimum amount of uranium would have been vented
An increased intensity from the baseline would have been sufficient. We have sensitive instruments that can perform this task.

If Iran were smart they would have built intentionally leaking some radiation post strike into their disaster and continuity planning to make it impossible to know.

There could be other access points we're unware of. If Iran knew they were at risk of their nuclear sites being hit, you'd think they would simply move the uranium to reduce the risk it would be destroyed. Why leave something like that to chance.

If Israel attacks Iran again, Iran will probably resume transforming Tel-Aviv into Gaza. Israel is running out of interceptor missiles.

>>63899184
they did not carry shit away from the site with open top trucks holy fuck you guys are such faggot retards
those trucks are there to seal the entrances and concrete the vent shafts
THAT IS WHY THERE IS A PLOW IN THE SATTELITE PICTURES I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS LOCATION WASNT MONITORED? YOU REALLY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH FUCKING MOVING THAT SHIT OUT THE FRONT DOOR
YOU ARE 70 IQ I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

>>63901207
im going to ignore your ESL and just respond to your incredibly dumb line of reasoning instead
the truth isnt something that needs to be "leaked" here. we are exposed to the truth, again, unlike what ever shit ass country youre from. thank god for the first amendment

>>63901223
But the truth clearly needed to be leaked because the 'official' report from trump was the US bombing totally destroyed the facilities. Which it's looking more and more like that is not the case. Plus trump is now threatening to prosecute he wants to prosecute the Democrats after he accused them without evidence of leaking information about the US bombing.
Not sure who you're trying to fool here, your 'truth' from trump would have been the Iranian nuclear facilities were totally destroyed, but that's clearly a lie.
To be fair, they always said in war truth is the first casualty.

>>63900679
>However, we can clearly see Israel underestimated Iran's counter offensive capacity

Didn't the IDF say they estimated thousands of civilian casualties minimum?

>>63898876 (OP)
>"the bunker"


Fordow is not a "bunker."

It's a gigantic underground complex built beneath a hard rock mountain.
(yes, some elements and portions of the huge complex are constructed with metal and concrete armor, similar to a 'bunker')

>>63900679
>There is a hubris overshadowing Israel's jewhad against Iran that the Iranians are retarded. However, we can clearly see Israel underestimated Iran's counter offensive capacity. It looks like whoever planned this snafu expected continuing escalation and a ground invasion.

They probably expected Iran to collapse Syria style due to the surprise attack. Exactly WHY they thought a country of 90m with a martyrdom fetish that survived 8 years of the brutal Iran-Iraq war would collapse overnight due to some bombing when a shit hole like Syria took 14 fuckin years is probably due to Bibi replacing many elements of the Israeli government with religious Zionist freaks. Would also explain their failures in Gaza and Lebanon.

Now the question is what Israel does going forward. Their interceptor and standoff stockpiles are likely depleted while Iranian government stands emboldened with the people rallying around the flag. Years of infiltrator and sabotage networks are gone while Iran knows exactly how to pick apart their defensive net and hit even their most protected areas with hypersonic missiles.

Really the smart thing would be to just give up and accept the Arab Peace Initiative and end this autism but we all know that won't happen.

>>63901214
Heh, oh yeah, well what about this?

Five dump trucks, each laden with an identical, heavy load of uranium, simultaneously depart from the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (near Qom).

Each truck is bound for a different, distinct Iranian city, and each travels in a unique direction. While all trucks begin their journey at the exact same moment and maintain a constant speed, their individual speeds vary slightly due to their destination and the terrain.

Truck A: Heading Northwest to Tabriz
Truck B: Heading Northeast to Mashhad
Truck C: Heading South to Shiraz
Truck D: Heading Southwest to Ahvaz
Truck E: Heading North to Tehran

Assuming each truck travels directly to its city without stops or deviations, assuming the uranium loads are precisely equal in every way, and assuming all satcom operators are dead or asleep at their desks, which truck reaches its destination first, which last, and just how much cock does the guy you're replying to smoke?

>>63901368
>Now the question is what Israel does going forward.
keep bombing gaza

>>63901261
and then a final report came out and the truth was revealed. but im sure youd rather except the leaked "report"
again, the truth comes out

>>63901442
woah...i think ill take your word for it. its so compelling

If it had actually worked Israel would have forced some kind of blockade and start calling in more US airstrikes, plus actually damage assesment would've been posted along with obligatory 3d rendering in unreal 5 engine rtx ON of the Fordow imploding.

Absolutely nothing so far, another 2017 stike om Syrian airbase from ZOGnald Trump.

>>63902069
Nta but lol, lmao, esl.

>>63898986
>GPR requires you to be on the surface
You think so? Huh, well isn't it interesting how I can just google all these different kinds of flying GPR? Isn't that just strange?

>>63900679
>Iran's counter offensive capacity
Bombing some random apartment blocks and killing some civilians? Even HAMAS did more damage to Israel's military recently which was enabled by complacency on the IDF's part.

>>63899124
>i find it very odd that the american gov is so angry about anyone questioning it.
It's just Trump.
He feels entitled to be believed, regardless of truth. It's part of his attitude that objective truth doesn't really exist and that he's owed obedience and loyalty.

>>63902232
>esl projecting third world politics

>>63899917
Make me

>>63901223
>>63901110
The American intelligence community told Trump that Iran wasn’t trying to make a nuke, but he ignored them and bombed Fordow anyway.

So where the fuck are the seismic data? There are sensors everyfuckingwhere on the planet to detect eartquakes, to the point you can't do a comfy nuclear test without being detected (see North Korea).
So where the fuck is the data? I want to see how the bombing made the lines go crazy.

>>63902356
Who cares?

>Wooah line go up
What we should look for are spikes in radiation around Fordo. That would be the biggest confirmation of shit being blown out.

>>63898876 (OP)
>it looks like this because i said so
sure thing champ

>>63902393
I can tell that you're not using capitalisation or periods in a vain attempt to samefag.

>>63902393
>it looks like this because i said so

More like "it looks like this because Iranians are so retarded they couldn't even keep the most sensitive details about their nuclear program secret".

>>63901017
But US has its peers. They are china and russia

>>63902528
>Russia
>US peer
we have a comedian over here

Serious question here..
The plans for fordow have been in the wild for a long time, so surely the Iranians knew that Israel and the US were exactly aware of what was under there. Now, I'm no genius strategist but isn't that a big fucking cue to start digging some extra, deeper, undocumented storage tunnels? Perhaps I'm naive

>>63902700
I bet Iran's power structure isn't really conducive to that level of infosec, not to mention Mossad might always do a number on any asset: they'll happily assassinate the engineers to deny knowledge to their adversaries, and they've been doing it for a very long time (rip Gerard Bull, you absolute madlad), just imagine what they might do to a poor sod that had to design anything within Fordow.

>>63898876 (OP)
There will be increased gamma radiation for a pretty big area around it, this is the only way to know without counting on any governments telling the truth.

>>63898876 (OP)
It's funny that the antitrump media wants to deligimitize the attack to undermine his effective leadership but in the process it almost looks like they're campaigning dor a more thorough destruction of Iran while they have been calling trump a fascist for a decade

>>63902833
>trump is a victim of the mean media!
The report came from US intelligence not the media retard. If youre gonna parrot press secretary talking points at least post a pic of dear leader first.

>>63898922
glowies spy on the people who do know and are finding out, ya dip

>>63900679
>After all, that's the entire intent of the facility.
To be fair, it was also the intent of the Iranians to have a functional air-defense network.

>>63901368
>Now the question is what Israel does going forward.
Try and find a way to rope the US into nation building again. Israel wants Iran gone, but they lack the means of doing so. So they do whet they always do, get someone else to do it.

>>63902944
Holy strawman

>>63901368
>Now the question is what Israel does going forward
Bomb the Basij some more until the Iranian oversight will become weak enough that rebel groups can start arming. Then supply said rebels with weapons, Syria style. Probably wouldn't take down the government, but would serve as a solid distraction and money sink for a decade or two.

>>63902069
>Trusting any reports from republicans
Looks like people forgot about Iraq's yellow cake already.

>>63903614
>Trusting any reports from Americans
FTFY

>>63903614
Democrats were lockstep with Republicans in the 00s. Theres very little practical foreign policy differences between them.

>>63902950
as far as i know the iranians havent started digging out the tunnel entrances so no one knows what the situation is inside the tunnel.

>>63901327
Israel's population was ready to self deport after a week of the counteroffensive. The Israeli government prevented the population from leaving. The eternal victims of everyone on Earth but especially White Europeans who make their country possible, can't tolerate real sustained suffering. Hence the necessity to conduct these short term asymmetric intelligence assassination/decapitation shock wars. This mode of warfare is not effective against a large robust adversary.

>>63902219
>Bombing some random apartment blocks and killing some civilians?
projection, the post

>>63902953
Iran's air defense network needs improvement. I had read Israel was firing missiles Iraq's airspace. Iran's key focus should be denying Israel the capacity to fight from the air.

>>63901368
Pretty much agree with this entire post. This war isn't about Iran's nuclear program. It's about advancing the Greater Israel jewhad. Therefore, Iran will absolutely be attacked again. After Iran will be Pakistan. Israel is just changing the mode of the war from an overt hot shooting war of attrition that they were at increasing risk of losing back to a covert intelligence war which favors their deviousness.

>>63900047
that's some wonky toori

>>63904659
>back to a covert intelligence war which favors their deviousness.
Problem with this is that Iran is now on the lookout for this. They'll likely be doing top down investigations and purges and, unlike in Lebanon, Israeli agents will get the noose, not released by American funded Lebanese authorities.

Plus what does Israel do with an Iran that's fully expecting further attacks? They were resting on their laurels before, confident that their BM fleet would be enough of a deterrence, but after this they are definitely gonna be arming up. Even besides nukes, the Iranian FM seems to already be on a Chinese shopping spree after years of Russian flakiness and proven effectiveness of Chink equipment in the India-Pakistan war. What does Israel do to an Iran that actually mount an effect AD defense when they couldn't even deal a knockout blow with the limited air superiority they achieved in this war?

This is also coupled with the fact that the West's polls on Israel don't look too good so this may be the last 4-5 years of unlimited support they have left. I wouldn't want to be an IDF general right now, that's for sure.

>>63898876 (OP)
yea but when is someone going to mention this other mountain complex that is under construction, did israel and us intel see that they were about to move there operation to a deeper bunker. did they hit this complex still under construction delaying the project for months, they bombed a harden structure with dirt filled on top, but this new mountain complex would take a nuclear bunker buster

>>63902244
No anon, Trump isn't ESL despite acting like turdie

>>63902465
>in a vain attempt to samefag.
no its because im talking to you, not writing a fucking book
you dont talk with capitals
so why would i type with them?
stupid esl bitch.
>>63902492
oh sorry
>it looks like this because we were told it looks like this goy
fixed that for you rabbi.