Iran is buying J-10Cs after Russian Su-35 deliveries have stalled. Will they perform as well as they did with PAF?

>>63900495 (OP)
no because they're not farming retarded indians this time.

Iran can buy whatever it wants, they've been cucked on the world stage and if US or Israelis decide to strike again it wouldn't matter what shitty jets they have

>>63900495 (OP)
>as well as they did with the PAF
as of this moment we still don't actually know if the J-10's did anything at all, just chinkshills insinuating it as fact and trying to springboard discussion off of that false assumption.
we know they found a bunch of missed and intact PL15's so it's likely those aren't all they're cracked up to be, and the rafales could have been shot down by either f16's, j-10's, pakistani mirages or even ground based air defenses.
basically that whole engagement, much to many chinkshill's chagrin, does not actually prove the capabilities of the J-10 or chinese missiles in any way.
it does prove that indians are retarded and will lose jets to a much more capable airforce that has better training, systems intergration and good AWACS.

What's the point? It can't compare to the F-15s and F-16s isreal has, let alone the F-35s.

>>63900495 (OP)
>Su-35 deliveries have stalled
imagine scamming one of your only two actual allies-suppliers...

>>63900495 (OP)
>Iran is buying J-10Cs
cant wait for the kikes to dab on them on the ground

Why J-10s and not J-20s or J-35s?

>>63900720
China isn't exporting the J-20 and the J-35 isn't even in service.

>>63900495 (OP)
what's the point if they're going to be destroyed on the ground

I believe that China is above the threshold of 80IQ thirdie retardation and would not send their J-10Cs for a turkey shoot when F-35s fly over Tehran uncontested.

>could've bought J-10's a long time ago
>decided to buy from a wartime Russia and they didn't get their first units years after the deal was signed

Bit too late for that no? They should've gone full chinkshit like Pakistan did like 10 years ago.

>>63901029
They likely felt russia was politically weaker than china and thus they would get more favorable deals, but clearly they didn't realize quite how weak russia had become.

>>63900495 (OP)
No. People need to realize that Pakistan spent more than 50 years
>operation chinese planes
>unfucking chinese quirks
>developing doctrine based on chinese eauipments strength and weaknesses (usually the latter)
>gave the inputs and subsequent pushed for pakistan spec mods baked in from day
>build the entire logistics and support systems that seamlessly scale for chinese made equipment

Before JF-17Blk III pakistand had to bumble around with
>J-6 (literally plastered with chinese manuals and labels)
>J-7MP (with haphazard slot western upgrades) >J-7PG (where werestern upgrades were applied more thoughtfully)

to JF-17 (where an actual 4rh gen aircraft were finally designed around better avionics, engine and aeronautical understanding)

>>63901613
That's the best way to develop their MIC, just sell to a country at constant war with your biggest rival in the region.
The operations Pakistan did in Iran and Kashmir probably gave the Chinese a fuckton of data.


Iran's biggest problem is that they spent too long refurbishing ancient shit like F-4's and F-5's while their biggest enemy completely air-mogged them in a day.

Like it was said, they should've gone full chinkshit and upgraded much earlier. Jets, AWACS, Anti-Air batteries, the whole shop.

Maybe(not really) they would've had some dissuasive means then.

>>63901636
honestly, if they were still gonna lose no matter what, than it's better to not give china even more data, thereby strengthening their own air superiority.

>>63900495 (OP)
they will be smoking on the runway in the next israel iran war in 4 years

>>63900495 (OP)
Pakistan only had succuss with the j-10c because those were paired with AWACS. Iran doesn't have AWACS, nor would they be able to keep them safe on the ground, nor would the AWACS be able to detect the f-35i.

>>63900720
m8, up until now they used jets from 1970s because they couldn't afford anything better, they're broke as fuck

>>63900614
>mistakes empty motor tubes from detonated missiles for intact missiles

lol. opinion discarded.

>>63900495 (OP)
>>63902162
Shalom haverim, you have been intercepted. This is now an F-16 Sufa thread. Please hold still while I circumcise you on the runway.

>>63902153
>NOOOO PLEASE THEY TOTALLY HIT
kek

they'd need awacs, and they'd be equal in footing to f-15s/f-16s and would need the awacs to direct them to f-35s to make it more level. if they train and plan well, they'd work fine.

israel loves using albms from legacy craft now, so that's going to be their biggest threat (hit on the ground). that's what integrated radars are for. internal security needs to be improved for iran.

iran should continue making their not-pershing ii in more numbers so they can hold israeli airbases under threat for equal footing. maybe even dust off the planned warhead that contained darts to use against airbases.

>>63900495 (OP)
The hour is late and das juden are preparing for another sneak attack. The Iranians will never be able to get the J-10s in time, much less have pilots properly trained.

>>63900495 (OP)
Supposedly a deal on Su-35 stalled because Iran wanted ToT. However, Iran's need for fighter jets is now more urgent so Iran is now likely willing to accept far less ToT.

J-10C can be delivered in the near future. KnAAPO is quite busy fulfilling orders for Russia and Algeria. Also, the J-10C would likely be far easier to integrate with a future KJ-500/700 purchase, as well as integrate with Pakistani radars.

>>63902108
There was a UN arms embargo on Iran until October 2020. Iran was negotiating to purchase Su-35 however the deal stalled for some reason.

Didn't they already pay for those SU-35's

>>63900614
>as of this moment we still don't actually know if the J-10's did anything at all
Mutt cope. We all know they rekt the jeet jets. I wish I could blame the frogs but they ain't the problem here.

>>63905196
Paying is easy, problem is receiving them.
Specially since Russia needs those Su-35's far more urgently than Iran.

>>63905205
99% of the time the Su-35 only escort a slow bomber. The Su-34, Tu-95 and Mig-31 are far more abused.

>>63900495 (OP)
>Implying their supply chain won't be absolutely beaten to shit by Mossad and get the Hezbollah pager treatment

They won't make it off the tarmac

>>63900495 (OP)
They will get bombed on the airfield like all the others.

>>63905369
Yea the Su-34 and Mig-31 are probably the main protagonists in the RuAF today.

But still, there's a whole supply chain which are most likely focused to the war effort.

>>63900614
>>63902153
>>63905203
I want to see an actual war between India plus assorted mini-Indias vs China and Pakistan, imagine the millions of paajeets and chinks marching to fight each other at the Himalayas just to end up flash freezed because both sides logistics are face cultures, then doubling it down until they figure out they fuck it up and send in planes just to empty their arsenals after 2 weeks and then finally going nuclear, after months you have hordes of paajet cultists who have turned their trains into nurgilte juggernaut daemon engines while the chinks have devolved into skaven and fight using warp lightning cannons and doomwheels.

>>63900495 (OP)
What is even the point of Iran buying new expensive equipment. The one big strength their opponents have is being able to strike surgically.
They need to simplify and disperse, this is essentially a guerrilla war on their own land.

>>63905570
This Warhammer fiction you're writing is embarrassing

>>63902361
I’m not sure what you mean by the darts thing. The problem with ballistic missiles is that they are expensive. Stuff in Iran is cheaper, but I would guess than an MRBM still costs them at least 1 million. In contrast, Israel can throw JDAMs for 25-30k each, which makes this a losing proposition.

And disabling airbases with missiles is not easy. Holes in concrete can be filled relatively quickly, hardened shelters will stop a lot of drone and cluster attacks, and scrambling the aircraft upon launch can avoid losses from attacks targeting them. Despite years of Russian bombardment. The Ukrainian Air Force remains operational, and the IAF is probably more competent than them.

>>63905573
If Iran restructures into a guerilla force, then their options for attacking Israel plummet, especially since Assad’s overthrow makes it harder for them to deliver weapons to Hezbollah.

Also, while guerillas hiding in the mountains will be very hard to remove from the air, their ability to prevent Israel from bombing oil infrastructure, ports, and the Iranian power grid is extremely limited.

If Iran wants to continue fighting Israel, they will have to persuade China to sell them stealth fighters.

>>63905642
>Stuff in Iran is cheaper
Mostly because those are scud variants using cheap technology.
>cheap but with very short lifespan and incredibly toxic.

>>63905642
>If Iran wants to continue fighting Israel, they will have to persuade China to sell them stealth fighters.

I think what few people understand is that shiny new toys don't matter when you don't have the facilities, specialized skilled technicians, training time, and industrial base to customize an aircraft to your field of battle, let alone support a stock version of an exported modern fighter jet. While Iran excels in drone and missile production it has none of these things geared towards modern fighter aircraft. That infrastructure take decades to build and Israel has all of that in spades. Let alone the fact that your airforce is only as good as the intelligence apparatus supporting and feeding it targets. Another thing Israel has that Iran doesn't.

>>63905642
>If Iran wants to continue fighting Israel, they will have to persuade China to sell them stealth fighters.

Israel and the US have an overwhelming comparative advantage in air combat
Iran does not have an advantage in quality, quantity, or intelligence in this area
Iran must find a way to avoid directly competing while still resisting, and the only path to that is asymmetry and dispersion

>>63905822
Which is what they've been doing since the 80s.

>>63905859
so they've been doing what makes sense

>>63901636
It's crazy to realize that Iran sells around $ 330 billion worth of Oil to chinks and still couldn't yet get a working relationship with them. Fucking hell Iran has a military budget 2x of Pakistan.
I chalk it to Iranian retardness, you have all the incentives and importance to negotiate with the Chinese yet the Iranian either
A. Buy Russian monkey models.
B. Produce domestic shit boxes.
Iranians deserve whatever has happen and will happen to them.
>t.paki

>>63905964
Pakistan isn't going up against the US and Israel

>>63905977
True but the whole game is to deter both Isreal and USA from going to war against you.
Iranians thought missiles would be enough and their gamble failed, now they are completely exposed as they have no established deterrence.
Iranians had decades to develop nukes they intentionally stalled it for no reason, even got technical help from us then decided to throw us under the bus for it.
They are a bunch of idealist living in a realists world

surely they need working GBAD more than an airforce that will forever be hopelessly outmatched by israel or the US.

>>63905203
>mutt cope
i'm not a mutt, nor french, just laying bare your strategy in order to make fun of you
you're brown, btw, that's why you're so desperate on proving this despite having zero evidence.

>>63905584
i actually think it's more embarrassing to simp for retarded shitholes, like you're probably doing

>>63900495 (OP)
>try to make your own "Gen 5"
fail miserably
>try to buy Gen 4 "stealth" plane from Pusia
fail that as well
>buy actual Gen 4 planes from Chinka
will all get destroyed in 30 minutes max by Israel when they decide to bomb your country again

These guys are literally retarded. They even wasted money on placebo AA that didn't do anything.
All they had to do was use that money to build more tunnels and buy more missiles. They should've maxxed out their missile numbers, idiots.

>>63900684
That's exactly what's gonna happen.
Iran is a retard country. Waste of money, just buy more missiles.

>>63901029
>They should've gone full chinkshit like Pakistan did like 10 years ago
No they shouldn't have. They shouldn't buy any planes Israel is gonna destroy them on the airfield with surgical strikes.
You're just as retarded as a towelhead from Iran.

>>>63907496
If they buy Chinese AWACS do proper training with Pakistan they could also deploy in full DCA posture like PAF did during operation Sindoor against possible Israeli incursions. F-35s might get through and bomb some targets, but some F-16s and F-15s will also bite the dust in the process.