>>63901954 (OP)
whose idea was it to try and pass a bunch of unrelated shit as a single massive budget bill anyway?

I knew it was going to as soon as they tried to cram SBRs in.

>partisan legislation wasn't slipped in as part of a budget bill
good

>>63901954 (OP)
Fuck ya
mudda

>>63901974
First time reading a bill?

>>63901954 (OP)
Enterally expected. It was likely only included to be thrown away as a part of negotiations. Trump wants this bill and he doesn't give a fuck about guns.

>>63901954 (OP)
So no suppressor shit? God fucking damnit

>>63902016
There's a small kernal of copium in that her word is apparently purely advisory and can potentially be ignored. But it's up to you if you think there's any chance of that happening.

>>63901954 (OP)
Thank god, I live in an anti-gun state, and suppressors are only legal here because they're NFA items, so Dems aren't likely to ban them because of that. If they were removed from the NFA, then my state probably would have banned them outright. It sucks for you free staters but you guys can lose once in a while for our benefit.

>>63902024
I have no hopium in me and zero reasons to cope. Just sadness and a waste of positivity.

>>63902024
That is definitely 100% pure distilled copium. It’s not happening.

>>63902000
I'm not American so yeah
In my country we pass our legislation as specific, discrete acts

>>63902024
I think they have to vote on getting rid of this now but idk anymore.

>>63902037
They need 60 votes to override the parliamentarian; there are only 53 Republicans.

It's over.

>>63902050
Well it was fun while it lasted

None of you seriously expected suppressors to come off the NFA, did you? You didn't *seriously* expect a room full of the most powerful people in America (who all hate you by the way) to actually give you back an iota of your rights, right? Like come on, it was never going to happen.

>>63901954 (OP)

>>63901987
Removing a tax isn't budget related?

>>63902025
The HPA and SHORT acts had federal preemption clauses meaning the states would have to allow them

>>63902050
The Byrd Rule was established to ensure that reconciliation bills focus solely on budgetary matters and can pass with a simple majority vote.
Not sure how NFA taxes don't fall into "budgetary" matters they are trying to get passed in a budget bill.
But what do I know....

>>63902050
>They need 60 votes to override the parliamentarian
Not really. What the parliamentarian says isn't a hard rule, it's more like guidelines. The bill can pass with a simple majority vote.

>>63902125
Look at who the Parliamentarian is, and tell me with a straight face that this decision is fair, balanced, and non-partisan.

>>63902050
They are
1. Purely advisory and do not have any actually hard powers
2. Server at the pleasure of the majority leader and I don't think she's giving good enough head to make what's coming pleasurable.

>>63902001
>Trump wants this bill and he doesn't give a fuck about guns.
Why? I mean, the republicans control both houses and the executives, there's no reason to try and jam through everything at once as far as I can see

>>63902055
Da fellow New York Oblast dweller, the capitalist elites who control everything don't want us to have any rights, the only solution is violent civil war and removal of sanctions from Russia.

>>63902192
>a war I ultimately don't care about means I should be okay with getting my rights trampled
Don't get me wrong, every dime spent on Ukraine is a dime spent on making sure Russia is never again a threat like it was during the Cold War, but using Ukraine to justify this shit is way more retarded than TSA getting the right to fondle your anus because Jews flew a plane into a building, and the latter actually happened.
So fuck off.

>>63902171
Even if they are purely suggestions, you just know politicians are going to be like "WELP sorry looks like we can't do it, someone said we can't so we can't, and we're not going to contest it at all maybe next term, folx."

I wish you could get a goodest goy license that allowed you to own any firearm
Like fuck man, I will jump through whatever monkey hoops you want to put in front of me, just let me buy the shit I want to buy

>>63902187
>>63902187
they need bait to get you to vote next time.

>>63902025
what a completely retarded and gay faggot mentality

>>63901974
They've been doing this for 60 fucking years

>>63901954 (OP)
>NFA removal cut
>federal land sale still part of the bill
I am now fuly disillusioned with republican governance. Crown Trump king and let him rule by direct fiat. Fuck it.

>>63902125
How does something that is literally a tax, fall within budgetary concerns, i wonder anon, i truly wonder.

I wonder if the only reason for including it was to sacrifice it in a situation like this.

>>63902928
They removed the land sales too

>>63902928
representative democracy was a mistake once they allowed retards (see women/blacks) to vote

>>63901974
That's literally what they've been doing forever

>>63902994
Nah, it went down hill when land ownership was removed as a requirement.

>>63901987
>>63902001
shalom

>>63902125
Changing the tax to $0 is a budgetary change, taking them off the NFA is policy change. I feel like that is pretty obvious.

The house bill included backup language for the Byrd rule that lowered the tax to $0, so im hoping we at least get $0 tax stamps. Approvals are fast enough now and it would allow folks transfer suppressors to Trusts after get a fast individual approval.

Im really hoping we can somehow get $0 tax stamps for both suppressor and SBR but im not sure Republicans are going to spend a lot of time hashing this out it may just get thrown out and forgotten. Part of me appreciates shooting for the moon, but it may cost us everything rather than being reasonable and just lowering the tax stamp to $0. I would have lowered it to $5 just so they cant claim $0 is a policy change (i.e. no tax so its policy change or some BS).

>>63902025
As an europoor, I don't understand why they consider suppressors so terrifying

>>63901954 (OP)
I fucking told you not to REMOVE them. I fucking TOLD YOU just to leave it at a $5 stamp. You called me a "big silencer co" shill in response. Now look where we are.

I fucking hate you people.

>>63903035
Its people like "Gun Owners of America" that do this shit, I wanted it to to stay a $0/$5 stamp because that is actually very realistic.

Yeah we all want the full HPA to pass but its a god damn reconciliation bill and we have to be reasonable.

The hardcore autist may have fucked us on this one.

>>63903048
Indeed. Let this be a lesson to all maximalist retards.

>>63903017
This is probably what's going to happen, but the problem is that the ATF will be so inundated with people buying silencers that waiting times will go back up even with e-file. Also, it makes the SHORT Act pretty much pointless since everyone will just keep using pistol braces as the workaround even if the tax stamp is lowered to $5 or whatever. Democracy is fake when some installed opposition lackey can just override elected officials. Thune could fire the parliamentarian, but he won't since he's from the McConnel RINO camp.

>>63903026
Gangsters in the 1920's were very scary because women had the right to vote and outlawed alcohol, pls understand.

>>63902982
no it wasn't, no source says it was

>>63902982
Thank fuck. I would rather the short act get removed if it meant that piece of shit act got removed too. It would be better to to have Trump try the short act and hear ing protection act get passed later so we have blm land to shoot on.

>>63902982
They removed some of the land sale but not all. They're still selling off 1milliom acres of BLM land (no national forest land). Not as bad as making all BLM land subject to sale but still, if we're not getting supressors off the NFA then what the fuck is the point?

>>63903026
it was originally due to fears of poaching during the great depression, nowadays it's yuppie faggots watching hollywood movies and thinking that suppressors turn any gun airgun-tiet quiet, and that they would only facilitate assassinations and mass shootings.

>>63903026
Unironically the answer is movies and TV, the idea of super scary silent assassin capping people without anyone hearing the shot

>>63903102
You realize that will never happen though, the only reason it had a chance to pass here is the fact that Reconciliation only needs a simple majority to pass.

Any non reconciliation bill would need 60 votes to pass the senate, meaning all 53 repubs would have to pass it, both independents and FIVE Dems would have to pass it. '

We all know that is NEVER happening.

>>63903112
>it was originally due to fears of poaching during the great depression
Literally no evidence of this. Supressors were hardly even mentioned during the bill debate. They just got lumped in as "gangster weapons".

>>63903048
That's gay and you're a fag. It's actually comical that suppressors are regulated. You should go saw off the muffler from your car because you don't have a heckin tax stamperino for it.

Is there a reason why the Republicans crumple at the first sign of resistance while Democrats fight tooth and nail for the most retarded shit ever?

>>63903127
MacDonough is the Senate parliamentarian, what does that have to do with anything?

>>63903127
Conservatives are inherently conservative in most things they do. It's in the name. It's only in the past decade that America has gotten any semblance of an actual proactive right wing

>>63903026
Idk but I just like knowing when there's hunters in the woods near my house so I know not to go hiking that day, and the loud bangs are a good hint

>>63903124
This is a take from a low IQ retard, im not saying I support having a tax stamp you stupid fuck. Im saying we have to play with the cards we are dealt and part of that is having the intelligence to know what will and wont pass muster during the "Byrd" test and make decisions surrounding that. Not go full fucking retard with policy change and then lose everything because of it.

Everyone here would rather have $0 stamps instead of $200 stamps..... its better than having only $200 stamps.

>>63903139
Nah you're just simply a cuck (or a "got mine" fag). Changing the price of the tax stamp side skirts the issue entirely. It's truly absurd that suppressors are regulated at all, like you have to understand that the politicians who enacted those laws were woefully under informed at best, stupid at worst, or most scary, they are willfully stripping away the rights of citizens.
Admittedly everything being rolled into one giant bill is also stupid, but that's the nature of American politics.

>>63903151
You still dont get it, this has nothing to do with me, I DONT want these things regulated... But we also have to recognize that we play by the rules that are established. We cant just just stand in a corner with our dunce caps on and scream "DEREGULATE, DEREGULATE" like you're doing, people with actual intelligence know that the approach will require baby steps like lowering the NFA tax to $0, they bit off way more than they could chew with this reconciliation bill.

I can scream into the void saying the NFA is trash but it doesnt do anyone any good.

>>63903168
YOU do not get it. Conceding with these cope measures is how we got into this retarded situation in the first place. It's like when your toddler says some retarded toddler shit, but instead of correcting them you sign it into law.

>>63903168
This post sounds like they voted for Waltz, have rainbow ACLU flags in their kitchen, and that the poster is a bugchaser.
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>>63903120
oh ok, maybe I'm just retarded and spewing bullshit then, my bad. the second half of my post is true though.

>>63903151
>Nah you're just simply a cuck
What he is, is smart enough to write something we can get with 60 votes.

People like you, and your fucking retarded opinions, are the reason that we're going to be stuck where we are.

>>63903174
>>63903175
Thank you for torpedoing what would have been the biggest step forward for guns rights at the federal level since Bush.

>>63903224
The votes aren't issue you dumb fuck, do you understand what happened?
The senate parliamentarian advised the HPA/SHORT weren't tax related (despite literally being a tax), thus failing the byrd act and thus shouldn't be included in the BBB (which is nominally a budget bill). This has nothing to do with votes

>>63903227
see
>>63903230

You retard

>>63903227
You sound like you suck the jizz out of your gf's ass once the bull is done fucking her.
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>>63903230
>Parliamentarian ruling it doesn't qualify as a reconciliation and thus needs 60 votes to pass has nothing to do with votes.

If we had just left it at $5 we would have avoided this. But no, you had to virtue signal, and so the status quo will remain. Problem is, fundamentally, you people are idiots.

>>63903236
Post guns.

>>63903235
>Literally too stupid to comprehend what's happening.

>>63903241
This way of thinking is why Republicans are eternal losers

>>63903241
>You people are idiots
lol, lmao even. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Any proposal to change it would still "fail" the Byrd test, unless a completely different parliamentarian were installed

>>63903246
No, that it literally how it works and what happened you retard.

>>63903252
>Being smart and changing the law to get results is loser behavior
>Virtue signalling and getting nothing done is what winners do

>>63903253
>Any proposal to change it would still "fail" the Byrd test,
Adjusting a tax rate would pass the byrd test. Removing a tax - a policy decision - does not.

We told you. You didn't listen. So now $200 stamps will remain. Congrats.

>>63903260
Yes.

Now we need 60 votes. Had we merely adjusted the cost of a stamp, we would only have needed 50.

You were warned. You didn't listen. Likely as you're an idiot.

>>63903253
This. The parliamentarian is an unelected Democrat stooge. She'll sabotage any attempt to insert something pro-2A into the BBB because she's just towing the party line. Thune needs to replace her, but he won't. We should be pressuring JD Vance to overrule her since he's the President of the Senate and can do that.

>>63903272
You don't want to open Pandora's box. We do it, dems will do it next time they can. Best to just comply with the precedent set by Byrd.

>>63901954 (OP)
WHAT FUCKING KIKES DID THIS 9/11-2.0?

>>63902055
I will print your post and shit on it.

>>63903303
Dems will do it anyways. They already want to pack the Supreme Court.

>>63903272
The GOP ain't going to blow up the filibuster or replace the parliamentarian over a niche issue like the goddamn NFA when they can just dangle gun rights issues over voters heads again and again.

>>63903329
They say they do, but they don't. They know as well as we do that nuking the filibuster and doing that shit will result in mutually assured destruction.

>>63903334
SHORT wasn't the only thing the parliamentarian randomly removed.

Gun owners have to be the dumbest motherfuckers on earth. Instead of taking a surefire, minor win like dropping the tax on suppressors to $0 they screamed and cried and shit their pants because they wanted them off the NFA right NOW and predictably wound up with nothing.
Meanwhile, anti-gunners will happily take any little bite they can no matter how pointless it seems. This is why the ratchet just keeps gradually clicking towards more restrictions over time.

>>63903268
I don't think your argument holds up, because the NFA is declared, as by the Supreme Court circa 1934 or so, is purely a tax; the registration requirements are legally defined in US law as simply ensuring you pay the tax stamp. By the governments own definition the NFA is purely a tax law. That's how they justify it outright banning huge swathes of firearms arbitrarily.

>>63903346
OR, HEAR ME OUT they nuke the filibuster and pass the policies Americans VOTED FOR and then they get reelected for doing a good job and to prevent the Democrats from undoing them?

>>63903127

The Republican party post-Nixon are simply total complete cucks. They love losing, they love getting absolutely ass blasted by leftists constantly - I think it feeds into their "last man standing at the Alamo" complex. If Trump did not drag them, crying and screaming, across the finish line, they would just be happy to be included in the race at all like a downie kid with a Make-A-Wish. Thank god the boomers will be dead soon and real change can occur.

>>63903303
Who gives a fuck? Trump has one chance to get as much done before the midterms, and you faggots want to squander that. Stop being a pussy. This is why nothing gets done. We the People appointed Trump in a landslide election, but we can't get any of our agenda passed because of some unelected secretary who was installed by Harry Reid back in 2012. Nobody gives a fuck about your gay little senate club, and we're not going to let he country burn because of one of their imaginary so-called "rules." The power is supposed to belong to the American People and our elected representatives. Democrats use every trick in the book to stop Trump's agenda, and we're just supposed to roll over and take it? Fuck off and die.
>>63903334
This isn't just about the NFA. She gutted the entire bill, and took out provisions that would have banned student loans and social security for illegal immigrants. She's a partisan hack who needs to be booted out on her ass like every other unaccountable rogue bureaucrat and judge.

>>63903357
There will eventually be a dem majority and they could easily add shit to the NFA or increase the tax. We need to educate blue voting retards to stop listening to the cat ladies at everytown. Take more people to the range.

>>63903303

I agree fellow patriot, gotta Trust The Plan. If we ignore the law and institutions we're no better than Democraps, so what if we constantly lose, never get our agenda passed and everything goes to shit anyway? At least we didn't break "precedent"!

>>63902226
You realize the person you're replying to is making fun of Russian demoralizion shills, he (probably) isn't actually one himself

>>63903398
Only reason we're losing SHORT is specifically because we listened to retards like you.

>>63903393
The fact that the left genuinely thinks Trump is a fascist dictator who will black bag people for speaking against dear leader and STILL wants to ban firearms means that the left as a whole is never going to support gun rights. By all means you should still what you can locally, but the left wing party will never be pro-gun unless there's something insane like a nation wide movement that mandates firearms education in school with some time on the range as part of the curriculum.

>>63903348
Not how it works retard see
>>63903272

>>63903353
Whether it’s a tax or not DOES NOT MATTER.
For the nth fucking time, the Byrd rule is not “Does this thing touch or otherwise effect the budget at all”
It’s “is the effect on the budget greater than the effect on non-budget policy”
And in this case, no. So it failed the Byrd test and was booted.

>>63901954 (OP)
The schizo who repeatedly made threads about how gun owners should ignore the law and do whatever the fuck they want was right all along.
>b...but an unregistered stock/suppressor is a felony
So is wire fraud, which is what you did if you've ever called in sick for work when you weren't actually sick. So was marijuana possession in most states back in the 1990s. So was speeding on the interstate back in the 1970s/1980s.

>>63903401

We lost SHORT because Republicans didn't automatically fire every fuckin unelected Democrat bureaucrat and replaced it with their friends. You know, the exact shit the Democrats and literally every other real political party in existence does once they are in power. The most basic thrust of politics is to reward your friends and punish your enemies, yet the GOP continues to do the opposite out of autistic "principal". A party of cucks.

>>63903401
KIKES! ANON FUCKGNIG! KIKE! FUCK ISRAEL!

>>63903393
>We need to educate blue voting retards to stop listening to the cat ladies at everytown. Take more people to the range.
This doesn't work. The 2024 was virtually a men vs women election. Women will never care about things like constitutional rights, fiscal responsibility, etc. They only care about abortion and what makes them "feel" safe. Guess what? Guns don't them feel safe. Trying to make women care about guns is like trying to make men care about nail polish. We have one shot to remove this TAX that SCOTUS has already determined is unconstitutional anyway. We cannot allow a FEMALE parliamentarian to overrule the will of the MALE voters who elected Trump.

Boy am I sure glad i didn’t get my hopes up

>>63903109
The news article I read last night (don't have the link on me sorry) said this was just the new proposal from the original bill's sponsor. Not actually added or approved, just him going back to the drawing board.

I denounce the talmud

It's genuinely absurd that you keep falling for it at this point.

>>63903436
>womens fault
sure
now show whites vs nonwhite

So path forward is to drop the tax to $0 and then change the registration in the courts? (or are they just going to say, "aw, shucks the democrat we gave ultimate veto power shot it down, soweee"?)

>>63903453
you lost btw

>>63903436
>The 2024 was virtually a men vs women election
>shows a map where nearly half the US still votes for Trump if only women vote
What did he mean by this?

>>63903422
>is this literal tax related thing more of an effect on the budget than the effect of my made up feefees

>>63902226
>more retarded than TSA getting the right to fondle your anus because Jews flew a plane into a building, and the latter actually happened.
Bad day at the airport recently, bud?

>>63903458
So what's your point? Anyone who is even slightly interested in guns has plenty of information at their disposal. The issue is that half the country will never care about guns more than "muh hole" on an instinctive biological level.

>>63903465
Are ya owning the libs, son?

>>63901954 (OP)
great, so they're not selling the land then right? presumably they're not keeping all the awful shit in the bill... right? because surely they didn't just include this to make it fail the byrd rule to hide fucking us over more right?

>>63903466
Well you see anon, only electoral votes matter.

>>63903482
I don't give a fuck about a Californian's NIMBY hiking trail.

>>63903357
Forget "nuking" the filibuster... MAKE them filibuster. Make them speak "until they are unable". Keep Congress in town so that they can't go out on junkets or fundraise.

When will you dumb goys learn the conservacucks you vote into power only really care about giving tax cuts to the wealthy? At least the Democrats are consistent in their messaging and actions.

>>63903488
eat shit, i like the last fucking scraps they haven't fucking sold out from under us.

>>63903478
Do you feel like you're winning, Moishe?

This wouldn't have happened if they'd simply repealed the NFA instead. Not that I care, since the NFA only affects people who choose to comply with it.

>>63903488
You fucking faggots deserve the rope.

>>63902994
>representative democracy was a mistake once they allowed retards (see cletuses/libertardians/ancaps) to vote
fixed that for you, fucking loser

>>63903497
you need better bait than that in this kind of thread buddy

>>63903528
American was founded by cletuses you faggot. Let me guess - you would have been legal property at the time

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>>63903526
Your refusal to build high density hosing doesn't trump the 2nd amendment for the rest of the country. You're going to lose that land eventually and it's all your fault because you're too stupid to rezone.

>>63903393
>There will eventually be a dem majority
KEK
MENTALITY
Wield power effectively and grind your enemies into the dirt so they can't effectively organize for decades. Do everything you can to make Democrats illegal. At the same time ENACT YOUR POLICY. By the time your enemies can organize again your policies will be normalized and reversal would be unpopular. This is literally what FDR did and we're still living with his bullshit today.
Regardless if the Dems get 51 senate seats they can (and will) kill the filibuster ANYWAY. Keeping it in place NOW only hampers THE GOP.

>>63903529
>No guys we'll totally pass all this pro gun legislation this time we got the executive, legislative, and the judiciary branch!
>Does nothing except sell off the country to the billionaires
Boy i sure would feel cucked if I voted for any dickhead with an R next to his name but I didn't so I don't

>>63901954 (OP)

We get to have corporations rape us in the ass and don't even get better gun rights to compensate for it? Actually...yeah that fits.

>>63903533
>American was founded by cletuses you faggot.
lol
>Alexander Hamilton - King's College (Columbia)
>James Madison - New Jersey (Princeton)
>John Jay - King's College (Columbia)
>John Dickinson - Middle Temple
>Abraham Baldwin - Yale
>John Blair Jr. - William & Mary, Middle Temple
etc., etc.
America was founded by a bunch of intellectuals and lawyers, often times from wealthy and opulent families of land and business owners.

>>63903581
Ah yes, because as we know everyone in the Continental army was a high bred English man.

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>>63902928
The only retards who say this are either short sighted morons or people dumb enough to think they'll benefit from restricting the voting pool.

>>63901954 (OP)
Wait, are you telling me that MAGA club felt for it AGAIN?
How many times until they realize he's just a loudmouth and will never act upon his promises?

>>63902971
Really makes the noggin joggin'.

>>63903590
No, just given orders and directed by the upper class after legislating the resolution that allowed them to raise the continental army in the first place.

>>63902971
I don't see what the left gets out of it. Since few people were even really focused on the SHORT and HPA besides us. Don't see how it's a useful sacrificial lamb if they can't sacrifice it to get the bill through; since there's a hell of a lot of other stuff that the libs are more concerned with than suppressors and SBRs.

Does it still have the chance of passing?

I mean its a literal tax and claiming it's not is kinda fucking illegal ?

>>63901954 (OP)
lets see if I can fall for it again again and then again

>>63901954 (OP)
As I've been saying for ages this was definitely the most likely result. People acting absolutely assured that the massive, obvious policy implications here weren't the core point was pretty cope. That said:

THIS IS STILL A HUGE GOOD THING AND STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOLKS! This isn't the first time the HPA has come up, first time was in 2017. Back then it got damn near zero notice, on /k/ or elsewhere. The suppressor scene was completely different from now, a tiny fraction of the size it is now, even though that's just 8 years of time.

This time around it actually made it into a serious big budget bill, actually got real political attention, actually had multiple sponsors etc. All sorts of gun rights we take for granted now didn't exist in the 1970s or even 80s, it's taken decades of steady effort. It very often takes at least 3-5 times to get something passed in Congress, with each time building up a little more and making it seem a little more inevitable, letting more people imagine about the possibilities, and shifting the Overton Window around it. This was kind of a Hail Mary effort, budget reconciliation rules are unique and challenging, but that doesn't mean it was worthless at all. Just gotta keep at it.

>>63903517
>feel
I know

>>63903666
We'll keep trying until we win.

>>63903668
In short; I fell for it again.

>>63902982
It was added back lol

>>63903668
>All sorts of gun rights we take for granted now didn't exist in the 1970s or even 80s
The hell are you talking about? I think you might have confused that for the 90s because the 70s and 80s (most of it anyways) were still the wild west and golden age when it came to gun rights.

>>63901954 (OP)
kek... you just know it's got billions going towards towards refilling Israel's air defense missiles, combatting antisemitism, and beefing up security for jews.

>>63903127
Both have their role to play in this drama, meanwhile aid packages to Israel continue to flow in a bipartisan manner

What an old bitter cunt.

>>63902102
Wait, does that mean WAcucks like me would get to have short barrelled shotguns if it passed?

>$200
>Approved in 48hrs
>Form 1 approved in 24
Like, I'm kind of disappointed it didn't pass?
But also not that much?
It's only slightly more complicated than filling out a 4473. That's it.
And $200 is about the price of a bi-weekly grocery/beer run.
I feel like the main people crying about this are poorfags deluding themselves into thinking they were going to get a bunch of dirt cheap suppressors that they still would have been too poor to afford anyways.

>>63903727
I mean if you're really poor you can buy a fuel filter from China or something

https://youtu.be/CfBuvRk1thQ?feature=shared&t=5

>>63902036
Ours make a document that 100 people can't divide up and read in a month to really understand what is in it.
It is utter and complete bullshit.
They thought they had a fix when they introduced line-item veto power for the President as right now he can only accept or reject the whole document. The Supreme Court ruled against that. So now we need a constitutional amendment to add it in.

Lmao, GOA is absolutely seething.

>>63903727
The dream is more like standardized suppressor tubes with interchangeable baffles and end caps allowing for self repair and upgrades without having to fuck around with the NFA process

Rights are very rarely given back once they are taken. I mean the only reason we even have unmolested semi-autos is because Bush just happened to let the AWB sunset, not out of any legislation or advocacy. The purpose of a system is to strengthen and sustain itself even if it comes at a loss of rights to the constituents it claims to serve.

>>63903727
Yeah I can afford it and do the paperwork but I don’t want to pay the gov the good goy tax for something that should be unregulated

CALL and make it happen

>>63903727
>It’s Not about the Money it’s about sending a Message
Also it would be nice to Travel interstate or pass them down to a beneficiary without the government being up my ass for a can or a sbr

>>63903789
you don't have to notify for a can, just an SBR/AOW

>>63902538
SOT

no way you guys thought politicians would do the right thing lmao... well next time just vote harder!

>>63903780
Lol.
Lmao.

>>63903759
I guess that would be a little more convenient.
Seems like most suppressors have standardized the HUB design for a lot of models, which is the biggest advantage to me instead of juggling 4 different companies flash hiders/thread pitches.
>>63903764
>I don’t want to pay the gov the good goy tax for something that should be unregulated
>pays federal income, payroll, state, sales, excise, property, cap. gains tax
But NFA tax is where you draw the line?
If we're going to complain about taxes, I would much rather see property, payroll, and capital gains tax removed, all of which cost significantly more over time than a next to nothing $200 NFA tax.

>>63903801
>L-lol.
>Lmao!

>>63903668
Anon that's bullshit and you know it. We have the will of the People, and the SCOTUS already ruled that this crap is unconstitutional. The overton window has shifted far enough. There's no reason why we should let some unelected bureaucrat stand in our way if we actually have a representative democracy. Voting doesn't mean anything if our agenda can be stopped by some opposition party hack who is unaccountable to the voters. Throwing up our hands and saying, "Oh well, let's try again in eight years," is defeatist and why nothing ever gets done for the pro-gun side. The only reason this is getting held up is because Thune is a spineless RINO coward like everyone said he was from the beginning. Also fuck jannies. YWNBAW and your salaries should be cut from the BBB.

>>63903792
With all nfa items wills and beneficiaries become pretty problematic with lots of red tape bullshit

>>63903017
It’s called bargaining. Reach for the moon and set expectations. $0 is the next step of the bargain. Meet in the middle

>>63903824
The only problem is that it may be too late, they are rushed to get this done by July 4th....

>>63903824
Art of the deal! It'll get through in 2 more weeks!

>>63903691
>The hell are you talking about? I think you might have confused that for the 90s because the 70s and 80s (most of it anyways) were still the wild west and golden age when it came to gun rights.
lol? Were you even alive back then? Fuck no it wasn't, that was coming right out of a decades long period of the biggest push towards gun control in US history, from the NFA itself amidst all the hoover and max FBI bullshit era to when Reagan himself was in favor of gun control following the Black Panthers stuff etc. The formalized gun rights legal movement was only really just getting real organized and starting to push.

Like, holy SHIT anon, how can you look at something as simple as the right to carry and claim "the 70s and 80s (most of it anyways) were still the wild west and golden age"!? This is the basic of basics.

You all got scammed by the GOA and 2AF... again.
>Please bro!
>Just $25 more in donations, bro!
>We're gonna get suppressors deregulated, bro!
>Just call your rep, bro!
>It's gonna be great, suppressors and sbrs for everyone!
>Just $100 more in donations, bro, come on!
>It's totally gonna pass this time, just trust me, bro!
Literally just the NRA/LaPierre/Cox of the 2020s, and they're more than likely using half the donations for kickbacks just like the NRA clowns were.

>>63903842
Why do shills always post this retarded .gif that you can look up on the archive and tell its being pushed by shareblue without ever mentioning that more state AWBs got passed in the last two years alone and that carrying doesn't mean fucking shit if you can't BUY and OWN the guns to carry in half of those stats without going through a draconian permit process that half of the time you wont end up getting

>>63901954 (OP)
Yeah, always expected it to get cut at the last minute.

>>63903811
>Anon that's bullshit and you know it
No, it's not, and I'm dead serious. Everything else you wrote is silly though, you need to stop rotting your brain with twitterbook or whatever and realize that change in a mere decade or two is FAST by federal law standards.
>Voting doesn't mean anything if our agenda can be stopped by some opposition party hack who is unaccountable to the voters
That's not what happened retard. It's ultimately up to the Senate, 100% accountable to the voters. The parliamentarian is party neutral and has stopped the democrats repeatedly as well, but can easily be overruled if the Senate wants. It's purely advisory, it has zero legal weight beyond what the Senate wants it too. That's the thing though: the Senate DOES want it.
>"Oh well, let's try again in eight years,
That isn't what I said at all anon. There will be another normal budget bill end of this year, and next year, and plenty of law efforts in between. And there is lots and lots of major democrat priorities under threat, stuff they care about 1000000% more than this niche issue. The Republicans could easily, easily include it as part of a bargain in other areas and pass it via normal procedure. It's you who are being defeatist IMO by implying this was somehow some special unique chance.

>>63903848y
You're the shill here fag. A lonely, single, mentally ill demoralization shill.

>>63903865
Not being able to stop the AWB's, mag bans and permit to purchase laws will have much worse of an impact than whether or not you could legally carry a pistol 40 years ago.

>senate parliamentarian is a jobber federal employee and not a senator
What the fuck

>>63903848
>>63903872
I'm not really interested in getting into goalpost shifting games with you anon, but if you want to claim that the 1970s or 80s were in any way a national "wild west golden age" for guns we are not going to agree at all. The 2000s, 2010s and now are unironically way, way better and going in the right direction too, unlike back then when SCOTUS hadn't even accepted any individual 2A right at all (Heller wasn't until 2008).

Ultimately though the /k/ spidermanpointingmeme shit where two pro-guns hasguns hascans anons somehow end up pointing virtual fingers claiming that the other is a radical gun grabber is kinda dumb. I guess I just ask that everyone keep doing at least minimal efforts, write your reps in a non-schizo fashion and say that you personally care about protecting your hearing and that of family/neighbors, that this is important to you, and maybe if you have the means consider donating to a focused lobbying group like the American Suppressor Association or whatever you think is best. This is not the end of history at all, and there are multiple approaches (not least of which is trying to get cans common enough that we might get SCOTUS to toss it too).

>>63903536
>my refusal to build high density housing
I have nothing against high density housing. Urban sprawl is disgusting but the availability of land is in no way the driver of the housing affordability problem and you're incredibly ignorant if you think it is. We don't have a lack of room for housing, we have a lack of affordable housing for entirely different reasons.

This suppressor act was one of the few remaining straws MAGA retards were grasping at to pretend they're getting anything at all they wanted other than 'owning the libs' which has turned out to be as big of a self own as anything as their public lands come under attack and they get fucking NOTHING.

Anyway I already have my suppressors and SBRs even if it was a pain in the ass.

>>63903890
>>senate parliamentarian is a jobber federal employee and not a senator
>What the fuck
huh? What else would the role be? It's just an advisor on the rules, appointed by the senate majority leader and serves at the pleasure of the senate majority leader. They pick someone they think will do a good job and has enough legal knowledge and skill and that's it. Being an elected senator would be contrary to the point, they'd have their own agenda and couldn't be fired.

>>63903858
>change in a mere decade or two is FAST by federal law standards.
A right delayed is a right denied, and SCOTUS already ruled that the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class right.
>The parliamentarian is party neutral
lmao imagine being this delusional. No one who works in the federal government in 2025 is "party neutral."
>That's the thing though: the Senate DOES want it.
Only Thume wants it.
>The Republicans could easily, easily include it as part of a bargain in other areas and pass it via normal procedure.
No they couldn't. They don't have 60 seats in the Senate, and they're not going to waste political capital on something you yourself admit is a niche issue. Democrats care a lot more about banning guns than the Republicans do unbanning them.
>It's you who are being defeatist IMO by implying this was somehow some special unique chance.
It is unless you can predict with 100% certainty that the Republicans will win bigly in the 2026 midterm elections. We have the momentum now. There's zero reason why we shouldn't push to get this done now while we have the chance.

>>63903898
Urban sprawl is due to zoning laws preventing high density housing.

>>63903940
Zoning laws written by the same boomers trying to auction off public land.

>>63903802
>But NFA tax is where you draw the line?
it’s my own autistic logic but it just feels too dirty for me, and yeah I don’t want to pay the other taxes but if I don’t I get thrown in prison.

>>63903943
Best hope we have is their kids vote in insane communists that ruin their property values in the suburbs outside the shitholes they made.

So, you're saying that nothing ever happens?

>>63901974
>File: byrdruling.png (20 KB, 597x216)
>>63902000
>>63902036
>>63903744
>>63902915
>>63902999
ITT: retards don't know the difference between a normal bill with riders that needs 60 votes to override filibuster
and a budget bill being passed by reconciliation that only requires 50/51 with vice prez breaking the tie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)#Byrd_Rule
>The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be "extraneous"—and therefore ineligible for reconciliation—in six cases:
>1. if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
>2. if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
>3. if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
>4. if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
>5. if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure (usually a period of 10 years); or
>6. if it recommends changes in Social Security.

People may notice the Senate Parliamentarian being mentioned in the news; the role is non-partisan and usually extremely low-profile. Basically a librarian. They say what is allowed according to the Senate's own rules.

Don't like it? Then you have to make part of your bill appeal to the centrists across the aisle. Otherwise it's either: get 60 votes, or go by reconciliation and abide by the rules.

>>63903981
>File: byrdruling.png (20 KB, 597x216)
what the fuck?
How did that text get inserted above where it got copypasted??? fucking black magic or something lmao

>>63903893
>I'm not really interested in getting into goalpost shifting games with you anon, but if you want to claim that the 1970s or 80s were in any way a national "wild west golden age" for guns we are not going to agree at all. The 2000s, 2010s and now are unironically way, way better and going in the right direction too
>could waltz into an ace hardware and buy a legitimate machine gun
>nooo it's better now because of muh braces!

Unironically suck start a shotgun, you absolute cuckold.

>>63903989
lmao Ace Hardware didn't sell machine guns in the 70s and 80s. Where do you retards come from.

>>63903899
She's literally been making policy and lawmaking decisions since 2012.

>>63903802
>pays federal income, payroll, state, sales, excise, property, cap. gains tax
>tfw the only one of those taxes I pay is sales tax and usually I don't pay that, either
Sure feels good being a free man.

>>63903953
I get you, I do, but if you really want to shit a brick, add up your receipts for sales tax that you pay in a year.
Or, if you have a mortgage, that moment you realize only about $900 of your $3000 payment a month is going towards paying off the principle.
In the age of death and taxes, $200 is cheap.
>>63904012
Enjoy being a dependent while it lasts, Anon, those are good times.

>>63903539
Idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing and all that. You're all empty hot-air talk.

>>63903691
Yeah the wild wild west of the 70s, where you had to get a permit from the sheriff and wait a week or two to buy a handgun and dealers had to log ammo sales in an A&D book exactly like gun sales. And this was in the South, not Cali or New York.

>>63902025
Kill yourself nigger monkey brain mindset.

>>63903981
are you a gay retard? we know this is the omnibus spending bill and we know pork and barrel spending has existed for decades. one of the reasons for the "lack of bipartisanship" is that with the internet the pork and barrel shit gets leaked and out there way easier than it used to and they did earmark reform when obongo was illegally occupying the whitehouse

>>63903593
>>63903528
Wrong site, faggot redditor

>>63901954 (OP)
>entire government is controlled by an unelected feminist twit shitlib staffer.

100% meme government if they don't simply ignore her

>>63903590
When people talk about the founders they aren't talking about Continental Soldier #14,653
By that logic the US was founded by Frenchmen.

>>63905014
>By that logic the US was founded by Frenchmen.
do explain.
The US was settled by thousands of ordinary men and its laws were based around the principles they held important.
The "founding fathers" created the legal framework by and for all Cletuses

>>63905036
wealthy, educated, land owning colonials were not "cletuses"
the average solider wasn't donning their powdered wig and pantaloons and attending the continental congress

>>63905041
it's like you didn't read my post at all.

>>63903035
I'm not giving my fucking finger prints or any money to exercise my God given rights. Fuck you silencer co shill

>>63903139
Go fuck yourself

>>63905061
yahweh never granted you suppressors lol

>>63905036
>The US was settled by thousands of businessmen and profiteers looking to shed the constraints of European hegemony and its laws were based around the principles they held important.
Fixed.
This idea of yours that the "common man" freed himself of the shackles of oppression from European governance is pure Hollywood historical revisionism.

America's principles and constitution was founded on laws that benefitted commerce first and foremost along with the creation of a Navy and standing Army to reinforce it, as well as a tax-collecting treasury to fund it. It just so happened to also benefit the common man through the various extensions of state and individual rights.

All those "Cletus'" and veterans you keep referring to were entirely unthreatening and useless on their own without central organization and leadership from a well-educated upper class.

>>63905181
Commie faggot revisionism.

>>63903794
You can’t just buy shit willy nilly as an ffl/sot. You have to have a reason for doing so. I.e. you need to have a letter from the police requesting a demo of the weapon. Only exception is when another sot is closing, you can purchase their stock without a letter. And even then there are restrictions on where you can take it and what you can do with it.

>>63905181
The common America was and still is a profiteering business man, I never said they weren't. This concept is simple inconceivable to the feeble mind of the modern eurotard (because anybody with any gumption left to America).

>>63905181
ahhhhh... I get it. You've been spappming all this retarded bullshit for months because you're mentally ill? A freak?

>>63903017
The issue is that doesn't bring back the preemption clause. That was by far the biggest win in both bills.

>>63903724
In their original drafts, yes. Both SHORT and HPA would have prohibited state legislators from banning possession of NFA items. However the states would have to rework their laws first so it could be over a decade before it truly opens up

>>63903127
Fiscal repubs are one of the stronger blocks in Repub.

>>63901974
It's extremely common to tack shit you know won't pass

>>63903727
>I feel like the main people crying about this are poorfags
Poorfags and lawlets that actually thought that republicans cared about their rights.

>>63901954 (OP)

Everyone with an once of sense said this was going to happen. You can't be surprised.

>>63906000
Trips of truth.

>>63902139

She's only Parliamentarian because the Republican Majority wants her to be Parliamentarian.

This is more fixed than a Harlem Globetrotters game.

>>63903981

> the role is non-partisan and usually extremely low-profile.

Used to be but the last 20 odd years of narrow majorities, divided government and the inability of the Senate to pass anything important on time and in regular order has made the job more prominent This ain't the first reconciliation rodeo to come to town.

Blame Harry Reid for starting us down this rutted path.

>>63906067
>Blame Harry Reid for starting us down this rutted path.
This started with the Tea Party retardation

>>63903109

Seen reports that the "Responsible Hunters" gun groups are lobbying hard against the land sales because they see that as "their" game preserve. That other people pay to maintain for them.

>>63903797
God damn, the war against the rats hasn't been good to Charlie.

>>63901987
>on /k/ supporting the NFA
Are you retarded

There is no political solution to this.

>>63903127
Conservatism at its core is about doing nothing and keeping the status quo even if they hate it. So when it comes time to fight for something they want they completely fall apart because fighting for something means changing the status quo which is like salt to a slug. I'm really hoping a younger generation of conservatives rises up and starts fighting dirty like the democrats do. We can't survive much more of this bull shit of we need to follow the rules even though our enemies don't.

>>63903303
>NOOOOO IF WE ACTUALLY FIGHT FOR WANT THEN THE DEMOCRATS WILL DO THE SAME LATER
I really hate cucked conservatives like you. The democrats have already been doing damn near everything to subvert our rights and go after anyone they hate. People like you are why we can't get anything done.

>>63906067
>implying the Senate Parlimentarian wasn't voted in bipartisanly
>implying she doesn't stay on at both parties' (and at the very leaat, the majority party's) sufferance
Wait til you hear about the CBO

>>63906597
I would do anything for a pro-gun liberal (actual worker's rights liberal, not this ID pol shit that, at this point, HAS to be controlled opposition) party :(
I feel like guns are more fundamentally left, in that they make all men equal, and they're a way to protect all those under the "big tent". "Democracy comes from the barrel of a gun" etc.

>>63902612
This

>>63906629
>actual worker's rights liberal, not this ID pol shit
If you wouldn't vote for healthcare because a tranny would also get it means you need to get your head checked

>noooooo le heckin goberminterino took muh right to own guns! i better just turn them all in without a fight
the eternal circumcised amerigolem

>>63902928
>let Trump rule by fiat
Yes I too love planned economies and bump stock bans.

Every day I grow more tired of this fucking government.

>>63903593
Quiet Jamal.

>>63901987
>pretending even for a second that the whole system is not already irrevocably broken

>>63906638
>you need to get your head checked
Ironing.

No wonder we never get rights back, look at this defeatist loser attitude in this thread. Buck broken to the core.

>>63903428
Democrats absolutely didn’t do that or the fed chair that Trump is crying about right now, which he originally selected, by the way, would have been removed during the Biden admin.
You’re a partisan making up rage bait stories to try and justify something that you know is wrong.
Fuck, I hate the new right. Just as bad as the left in every way.

>>63906660
It's just like 3 shills working over time to throw up white noise and prevent people from calling.

>>63902001
I'm busting up st that image, literally crying.

>>63906665
Fuck off you principled retard. That’s why conservatives are perpetual losers. Stop sticking to principles when dealing with people that hate you. Grow some fucking balls.

>>63902125
Schrodinger's tax. When matters of constitutionality are considered, it's a tax and has no bearing on the 2nd Amendment. When the Byrd rule is being considered, the tax is merely incidental to its role in regulating arms. Thune could just appoint a different parliamentarian, but Republican legislators have traditionally been ineffectual faggots, so I'm not holding out hope. Also, I think Vance can directly overrule them.

>>63906660
We dont get our rights back because of two things: women's rights and cucks/simps on the left and right

>>63902050
>>63902131
>>63902139
My understanding is that as President of the Senate, Vance can tell her to fuck off, but it hasn't happened since 1975.
>>63903017
>Changing the tax to $0 is a budgetary change, taking them off the NFA is policy change. I feel like that is pretty obvious.
Eliminating a tax is still budgetary. She would have never raised an objection on wording if it was removing a Federal auto licensing permit or national inheritance tax.

>>63906684
Why the fuck should I listen to you? I hate you, you bomb throwing leftist cuntbag.
Despite agreeing on certain policies, we’re NOT on the same side.

>>63906709
Yeah, we're well aware that you're the old guard ineffective losers that have been dead weight for the past 60 years.

>>63906709
>we’re NOT on the same side.
We never were faggot

>>63906721
>>63906725
Authoritarian leftists like you always lose.

But this is tax, this budget related

>>63906734
>leftists
lol
You're not fooling anyone, we've watched democrats run circles around you for decades. Your approach doesn't work.

>>63906734
Leftists are remarkably unpopular and always have been. They'd be almost powerless if their hooks were removed from governance

>>63906734
I am not a leftist
I hate leftists with a goddamn passion
And I hate cucks like you on the right that get in the way between a lefty and the rope.

>>63906657
demoralized

>>63903127
Dems are evil, GOP are cucks

>>63903005
Gun control is basically the Republican's abortion. Something they dangle in front of their voters to keep them voting R. It's just bad politics to give your voters less reason to vote for you.

>>63903127
this shit is so funny because if you go somewhere with a more left leaning audience they will same the same thing in reverse. conservative think repubs are cucks and democrats are evil, and liberals think democrats are cucks and republicans are evil.

>>63903763
>>63903797
>>63906483
As fucked up as it is I don't see any positive future change for gun rights coming until the country finally collapses in on itself, at least then, when the country inevitably balkanizes, you might get one new country who decides to all in on gun rights; but I don't expect that to happen until the end of my lifetime or after it anyways. I mean if shit really didn't change much in the last two decades I don't know why people expected things to change for the better this decade.

>>63906682
first time on /k/?

>>63906734
>can't get a Bill passed despite red everything
blame the lawlet retards that can't write a bill

>>63906665
>>63906734
>be in a literal war against people who have proven they want to a)kill you b)steal your shit and ruin your country c)rape your children d)erase you, your culture and race from history, REPEATEDLY, AT EVERY TURN
>pull every punch and tie your own hands when fighting them
>call others leftists when they don't want to eat shit and die by your side

What kind of mindset is this, is it a boomerism? This virtue signal of "at least i followed da rulez" to stroke their ego as they lose gracefully reminds me of that "fuck you i got mine" mentality.

>>63902001

It is confirmed today that the NFA tax has been reduced to $0 for AOW, SBS, SBR, and suppressors, but they are still going to be registered. The Bill's PDF can be found online today.

>>63902001
why did you take a picture of tom bradys feet?

>>63908525
The point of the tax being levied was to make these items more difficult to obtain and prosecute anyone who didn't go through the process to pay the tax. If the tax no longer exists, then why should the NFA continue to exist at all?

>>63908541

That would require separate legislation, originally that was going to happen in the previous version of the bill, but that didn't survive Byrd flu.

>>63908541
>If the tax no longer exists, then why should the NFA continue to exist at all?
Because republicans are spineless.

>>63908541
That's the cope if this version of the law passes. The NFA is a tax, and the registry solely exists to ensure you pay the tax. If there's no tax, and still a federal registry; then it just becomes a simple firearms registry. Which potentially opens it up to getting struck down in the future.

>>63902001
>It's about time you showed up Fox, you're the only hope for our world!

>>63908525
There’s still time and the chance it could be reverted to the full HPA and SHORT, but I doubt it.

However, I am not comfortable with lowering the tax to $0 because it isn’t - from a legalese standpoint - eliminating the tax, merely adjusting it. This means that if the democrats gain control again, they can easily adjust the tax again, but to well above the original $200.

However again, if the tax is functionally eliminated then we have an open avenue to abolition in a different method. Because the NFA is specifically a tax scheme, the registration is an extension of the tax - registration exists as a manner to document the tax has been paid and the tax stamp is your physical proof. Therefor, if there is no tax to be paid then there should be no registration. Of course, this will require a court case against the federal government in order to determine such a ruling.

>>63908557
And there’s the fact that a national firearm registry is unconstitutional, which means if the tax is abolished then there’s grounds to argue the registry is in violation.

>>63908472
Severe lead poisoning from an early age

>>63901974
Because they can't just have a minor win. No they have to cram as much in as humanly possible. Every person wants their little thing added or else they won't vot for it. And it winds up becoming a mess that has ramifications down the road or something that pisses somebody off and they rally against it.

It's the dog biting the hand that feeds.
Their cup runneth over.

>>63908557
That’s been my back pocket copehope for a while. If it was really that easy to remove all that shit from the NFA, wouldn’t it he just as easy to add everything back +more? If this can be ruled on favorably by the supreme court as it really locks it in theoretically forever. If it was gone completely, you couldn’t fight it in court because it’s moot and it doesn’t exist.
Short term, the fully HPA/SHORT is obviously better but I have a feeling it will bite us in the long term. This all hinges on a supreme court case, which is a gamble unfortunately.

>>63901974
lol
lmao even

>>63903127
because they are controlled opposition

>donate money so we can continue to make noise as your rights are eroded
>don't even think about actually using the guns for their intended purpose though
By the time they take the guns it'll be a symbolic gesture at best. You mutts are already as buckbroke as any German, Swede or Brit

>>63903651
fuck timmy gon do

>>63906653
Do something about it or turn your gun on yourself

>>63908472
They've already sold out, they're just keeping up appearances.

>>63908525
Nah this is bullshit. We need all or nothing or else the Dems will just raise the tax to $1,000,000 the next time they’re in control. SCOTUS has already determined that the NFA is unconstitutional. There’s no reason to keep playing games dancing around the crux of the matter when this should be a slam dunk.

>>63908752
I would love to but no one will back me up

>>63908712
/Thread

The faggot gun-law-tube grifters are making videos saying "Breaking! Call your Senator! Call leader Thune! Tweet at Vance!"

Bro, not a single Senator or GOP rep anywhere today has mentioned the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't exist to them. They see everything stripped from the BBB as chaff that becomes irrelevant because they know neither you nor anyone else knows what is actually IN the final bill, and thus when they pass it (minus the semi positive parts) they can call it a win and coast on that victory and never have to vote on anything again until midterms.

They don't care about your rights, they will never override or ignore the Parlimentarian that you're screaming at them to, there is no last minute Vance swooping in to save the day. These people don't care about that, and you know they don't because they're not talking about it. They love the system as it is, and the fact that you and I are losing is irrelevant.

>>63908812
>We need

Oh well. It's never happening, so either cry about it more, or don't vote and accelerate the end. There is no other option.

>>63909065
Shut up and call you bitch. Calling is what got HPA and SHORT added to the bill originally. It works. Go be a demoralizing faggot somewhere where people will give a shit.

>>63908668
>This all hinges on a supreme court case, which is a gamble unfortunately.

The Supreme Court will never hear a 2A case in your lifetime.

>>63901974
Harry Reid. Mitch McConnell even directly told him that if he started then it would just make all laws into reconciliation assfucked bills.

>>63909075
>Shut up and call you bitch.

Call WHO? The preliminary voting is starting today, and Thune has said four times now he doesn't care who calls him and asks for anything, and no Senator is interested in holding things up to try and ram back in ejected provisions, because that would ruin their chance to celebrate voting on their bill in time for Trump to sign it on the 4th. They care way more about THAT, because that's something they can shove into campaign ads later, instead of saying "I tanked the America Great Trump Win bill to stand up for gun owners" which will lose them any midterms they're in.

So yeah, call, get laughed at, and then cry in a few hours when it accomplished nothing.

>>63909080
They literally heard one a couple year ago you stupid fucking retard

>>63909088
Oh you mean the one where they said "prohibition is consistent with the 2nd Amendment"? Oh yes, I'm sure those people are just waiting eagerly to strike down the NFA, for sure.

>>63909098
No the one that declared every remaining may issue state shall issue. That one, vlackpilled faggot. Kys.

>>63901974
that's the political process being dysfunctional

>>63903987
It's a fed.

>>63901984
are you stupid or something? a slew of provisions were struck down.
Fuck Thune

>>63909086
Considering the effects of the BBW bill, they're going to lose the midterms either way. There's a reason that no one campaigned on passing Obamacare.

>>63903348
The $200 is the minor point

>>63903348
It's an astonishingly minor win compared to the rest of that bill. Like getting a handy from a hooker's grandma after your balls were cut off.

>>63901954 (OP)
Daily reminder that "all options" includes the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (J. D Vance) telling the Parliamentarian to fuck off and doing it anyway.
The Senate Parliamentarian is an unelected official whose office has existed for less than a century and serves in a purely advisory capacity.

>>63901974
First time?

>>63908564
>Denied cert
>If not denied, Well there's actually no tax on the items and we thing registration and permitting is ok so NFA stays

>>63911256
>Unelected official
Put in place by an elected official.

>>63902000
I live in an actual first world country, so this isn't really normal for me.

>>63911554
Orly? What country do you live in?.

>it's over
>Gets $0 tax stamps
>Which wasnt even on the radar, was totally inconceivable, until the BBB got written in the house

>only effects silencers $200 tax stamp still have to pay for SBRs
Huge L

>>63911615
>Shills desperately trying to paint this is an L... Somehow.

Since some retard somehow misconstrued my question and whining in the other thread, I'll ask here. >>63911559

Since some retard somehow misconstrued my question as whining in the other thread, I'll ask here. >>63911559 #

>>63911618
This was supposed to be a red wave not a piss stream in your face. Its been nonstop Ls with russia import bans to weird ammo shortages and bans in certain states to even have ammo shipped to your house. All the bracecuck/bumpstock shit going back and forth for years. They take a mile when they are in and you think an inch is a victory.
>>63911631
Yes its all still regulated as it was before the only thing that has changed is you no longer have to pay the $200 tax for silencers but everything else is still $200.

>>63911641
Thanks. Thats a shame, they're still regulated since paperwork is a pain in the dick, not that I'll ever care to do one for an SBR. At least suppressors are cheaper

>>63911641
isnt it only $200 for MGs and bombs?

>>63911715
Nothing else has changed its only removed the $200 fee for the silencer that is different.
>(Sec. 112029) This section removes firearm silencers from the definition of a firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and eliminates the $200 excise tax on the making or transfer of firearm silencers.

>>63911728
isnt there also a line in there that says this includes firearms as well except machine guns and destructive devices or some shit

>>63901974
Omnibus bills have been the norm for a while now

>>63911748
No
>SEC. 112029. MODIFICATION OF TREATMENT OF SILENCERS.

(a) In General.--Section 5845(a) is amended by striking ``(7) any
silencer'' and all that follows through ``; and (8)'' and inserting
``and (7)''.
(b) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms
transferred a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $5 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
weapon classified as any other weapon under section 5845(e),
``(2) $0 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States
Code), and
``(3) $200 for any other firearm transferred.''.
(c) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $0 for each silencer (as defined in section 921 of
title 18, United States Code) made, and
``(2) $200 for any other firearm made.''.
(d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act.

>>63911765
interesting, i dont understand how they are removing the tax from silencers but not short barreled rifles

>>63911777
Its as arbitrary as anything else related to the NFA. It was actually the least they could do to say they "helped gun rights".

>>63911765
so what is this then? i thought this is what was going up for final vote

>>63911916
I posted the actual section from the bill relating to the 2nd Amendment. You can read the bill yourself.

>>63903048
Fag. I will never assign blame for a shitty law to the man who tries to eliminate it.
As a Florida-man however, living in a state with the supposedly gun friendly party in control of both chambers and the Governors chair, I know that I have no friends in politicians. If I did, we'd have open carry.

>>63911561
>still have to fingerprint and register
I'd pay 200 even 400 for the federal goobermunt not to be involved

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