Thread 63907005

R.I.P.

I've been reading a lot about this and yeah, they were fucking retarded. There's really no excuse for what happened. Everything about their """"""""""""""""""""plan"""""""""""""""""""" was retarded and then they all needlessly perished, leaving that bum Luttrell to tell the story.

t. pissed green beret

>>63907005 (OP)
>some durka gets lucky and takes out a Chinook filled to the brim with tier 1 operators using a fucking 50 year old RPG 7.
It still blows my mind how these everything that could go bad did. What was the fucking VATS on that shot?

I just wish they would've planned better. These guys didn't have to die, it wasn't worth it for this mission. And it just added to the "SEALs are incapable of acting intelligently" stereotype.

But hey, we got a cool meme crossfit workout out of it. Wouldn't it be better to still have those guys here?

>>63907005 (OP)
Murphy was also responsible for a friendly fire incident during a training build up in Hawaii that nearly got him decommissioned, that has since been scrubbed from the internet.
He also had to repeat BUD/s twice according to Dick Couch's book on Warrior Elite or the forge, can't remember which.
Either way, he was a turd flushed to the SDV units in Hawaii because he was not seen as competent to be in the continental teams.
Used to be an article on Navy Times, it is completely non-existent now.

Instead, they have taken someone who should have never been in a leadership position and turned him into a hero that retards celebrate every year by doing a bunch of push ups.

>>63907005 (OP)
How could these guys lose to a bunch of goat farmers with AKs that didn't have sights that worked?

>>63907200
You dont understand. There were 3 gorillion of them, and every 4th dude had an RPG with 30 rockets each.

They were overwhelmed!

>>63907063
>Wouldn't it be better to still have those guys here?
In all fairness there's a non-zero chance, that if they had survived, one of them would have murdered a green beret in africa over a botched drug deal.

>>63907325
Remember, it takes one Navy SEAL and one Marine Raider to take down one Green Beret.

Movie is propaganda but damm, M81 with tan looks so good

>>63907341
Twice that. Two seals, two marsoc guys, and a very confused malian local.

>>63907005 (OP)
assfacts??

>>63907353

This might be a silly question, but were the uniforms at matter of personal preference? Seems kinda odd that two are decked out in all DCUs and the other two are wearing a mix.

Also I've noticed that from pics around 2005-2006, you started seeing conventional troops wearing BDUs in Afghanistan just before they were phased out, but they still wear DCU-patterned helmets and and body armor, which kinda defeats the purpose (pic related).

>>63907026
Are you expecting a bunch of grunt retards to come up with a good plan?

>>63907026
> leaving that bum Luttrell to tell the story
Wasent Luittrell basically used by the navy and Admiral Joseph Maguire(who also had a subordinate commit suicide after some gay hazing shit in the 70s). Hell the book wasent even written by Lutrel and they even got the name of the Op wrong on the cover(redwing and not redwings).
And also didnt Murphy's team failed their final training exercise before being shipped out ?

>>63907422
Special operations probably has a lot of personal choice but back in 2003-2006 there wasn't a huge commercial market for gear like there is now. The market was either surplus stuff or mall ninja gear.

The picture of conventional soldiers you posted were probably issued DCU gear for deployment and brought both their desert and woodland BDUs which they could swap out whenever the environment called for it. 173rd Airborne first deployed to RC-South so it makes sense they would have desert colored gear but like the photo you posted parts of that region had a lot of green vegetation so it makes sense they came prepared with at least woodland base uniform also. Mixing and matching woodland and desert still can be useful at breaking up the human silhouette and providing camouflage. What's funny is they deployed to Iraq with the infamous tan uniform and green body armor but that's the military for you, you wear the gear you get.

>>63907530
I was looking at my /k/ folder the other day and I noticed some soldiers with multicam gear in this picture. The picture was taken in 2007 when UCP wasn't fully distributed.

>>63907607
>I noticed some soldiers with multicam gear in this picture
I don't see it.
I do see that guy picking his nose in the back though kek. Nice Mk14 next to him too.

>>63907353
Is that a bloody M16 in a DMR role?

>>63907654
Nice catch. I believe OCP was created in the mid 2000's, I wouldn't be too surprised to see it in a few pics from around that time.

>>63907005 (OP)
i hate that these guys died because now i have to do that faggy over the top pt routine at least once a month

>>63907045
>wow! real life is nothing like my vidya!
No shit. Grow up.

>>63907746
The jump off a cliff routine? Yeah that sucks.

>>63907746
>>63907764
>Jump off a fucking cliff for PT
dafuq?

>>63907655
lol

>>63907422
>This might be a silly question, but were the uniforms at matter of personal preference?
Alot of the time it was SF trying to blend in with Afgan forces to try and hoodwink/draw out the Taliban.

>>63907734
Top right guy also has a vest, possibly Scorpion v1 but it is not green enough. Probably just Multicam stuff bought privately, you could get some things starting in 05 if my memory is correct.

>>63907761
>Grow up.
Calm down zogbot. I'm sure he wasn't trying to disrespect your gay friends.

>>63907005 (OP)
>Retarded hillbillies can't even tie their laces
No wonder they lost

>>63907005 (OP)
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>>63907984
>cut his sleeves off to be edgy
Random thing to harp on but one unfortunate thing about the gwot era and its gayness is that it's completely ruined the high-speed/gray-man/casual operator look.

>>63907005 (OP)
why didn't they cut him if he was a fatty dragging ass? how many more luttrells are there out there?

>>63907984
>>63908023
found the forearmlets

>>63907530
>>63907422
Units operating in RC-S deployed with both desert and woodland stuff. Some even patrolled with both and changed as they came and went between the dasht and green zone. Multicam wasn't an answer to having different uniforms for different theatres, it was an answer to shit like that.

>>63907734
Just off the shelf multicam privately bought or bought off the shelf by his company through deployment funds.
In the mid 00s commercial multicam stuff was the height off cool shit to buy for deployment.
Multicam stuff would be officially issued in Afghanistan 2010ish. OCP stuff wouldn't be available to the common soldier until years later.

>>63907422
SEALs were part of the military with freedom to kind of wear whatever.
With conventional units, a lot of the mix'n'match came from whatever you've got. If your unit issued you tan tactical gear, you're wearing tan gear. Uniforms dictated officially on the company level for what pattern. Reality is you'll just start wearing what you have. If you have two sets of woodland and two sets of desert uniforms and you're on some buttfuck border post without big FOB amenities, eventually you'll start wearing whatever isn't totally fucking gross. I have seen guys wearing civilian tshirts either under their tops or just straight up under their armor with no camo tops. I've seen guys wearing whatever color civilian hoodies on guard duty, or camo colored hoodies or civilian hunting gear on patrols. No pics to prove it because when guys started doing this stuff they'd not take photos of it, and if somebody important were doing some dumb tour of the place they'd put it all away. I myself wore a Czech combat top for a while because it was comfy.

>>63907005 (OP)
Was it ever determined if they inflicted a single Taliban casualty?

>>63908023
Ah yes. I too wear Propper duty shirts, that are tucked in, with a banana republic safari vest over it.

>>63908290
One of the seals bodies was recovered with all his pistol mags emptied and 15+ taliban KIA near his position.

>>63908023
>the high-speed/gray-man/casual operator look

post some examples

>>63908040
It was during a time when the military was hurting for recruits. You couldn't just cut people because there would be no one to replace him with.

>>63910316
I doubt that given there weren’t even 15 Taliban involved in the firefight.

>>63907401
that's his dad

and since his dad died now he's a gay bottom for a 6'5" huwhite

>>63907005 (OP)
empty cans rattle the loudest.

>>63912938
I youre saying that since the official gov story is obviously retarded and fake but come on, you can see at least15 talis just in their camcorder video they released

>>63908290
I don't think so. I'm not sure how far the engagement distance was.

>>63907005 (OP)
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>>63919707
It's just a little tribute thread I made. They were retards but they didn't deserve to die.

>>63907005 (OP)
>>63907016
>>63907025
>>63907026
saw the video of the attack from the taliban prespective someone posted here before it was taken down


all of them just lied down while the taliban slowly picked them off it was horrible to watch. There's also a video of that one guy getting held at gun point and being shot.

>>63920229
@grok is this true?

>>63907607
they bought that themselves. I was in one of the first unit's to deploy to Afghanistan with issued Multicam, this was in 2011

>>63907353
>environment that is all greens and browns
>wear 3-color dcus

>>63919963
>didn't deserve to die
>intentionally, deliberately, planned to and did go into an actively hostile environment with a desire to do harm
>didn't deserve

I'd rather say they got unlucky.

Why is the NAVY doing these kind of missions? How is it related to sea domination?

>>63921263
SEa Air Land

>>63920247
Nta: can confirm. At one point yoy can even hear someone shout out “Where are you going?!” which was 100% Marcus running like the bitch he was leaving his buddies to die which is why he was found with all his magazines full.

>>63921263
test

>>63921263
Navy has never been restricted to the sea.

>>63921311
these dudes with camo pants do not look suspicious at all

>>63921493
Navy.mil
https://www.navy.mil › about › mission
The US Navy protects America at sea.

Whats next? The Navy launches satellites because "the navy has never been restricted to space"?

>>63921885
That doesn't mean they're restricted to the sea.

>>63921498
They’re operating in enemy territory they just don’t look like Gucci gear hypebeasts (who will just die to an FPV lol)

>>63921902
why do they all look 30-40 years old

>>63922209
sun ages you

>>63922242
>30 years on the road
that is not relevant to my question at all

R.I.P. respect

>>63921902
How is it tied to "protecting America at sea"?

>>63907761
Hitting an flying helicopter with an rpg and taking out everyone onboard is exactly like vidya.

>>63921493
>>63921902
That job looks like it would be fun if the temperature dropped 50 degrees. I do not envy them in that picture.

Turns out american soldiers are only "badass warriors" when they have complete air superiority by drones and apaches, without them they just die like retards.

>>63924844
THEY ARE NOT SOLDIERS THEY ARE SAILORS!!!!!

>>63920229
>>63920247
>>63921288
yeah you can actually hear them say "Marcus please write a book about us! Im going to lay here and wait to die, also theres only 2 taliban guys fighting us"

>>63924852
My bad.
Turns out american SAILORS are only "badass warriors" when they have complete air superiority by drones and apaches, without them they just die like retards.

>>63907005 (OP)
ok so which SOF group is actually the most competent? I ask "competent" as in, regardless of what their purpose is, which one is actually the most professional and effective relative to what is expected of them.

>>63926592
Probably Air Force guys. You rarely hear bad things about them. I know of one bad incident early in the Afghanistan War and that's it.

>>63907761
Untrained retard taking down a helicopter using cheap rpg while it just hover and unload it's troop without any escort or cover in the middle of enemy territory is pretty much video game retardation. It's basically half life and call of duty enemy grunt tier retardation.

>>63907655
Mk 12 is an actual weapon, dumbass.

>>63926878
one of my go to rules of thumb (as a civvie with no military experience whatsoever and therefore no idea what he's talking about) for deciding whether I think an SF group is competent is how much I hear about them directly, obviously there are other considerations but generally if the group has a tendency to keep a low public profile and shut the fuck up then I'm immediately assuming some degree of professionalism. this is also why i think seals are full of shit whilst the SAS remain the best

>>63926962
I still remember SAS abandoning a position after an attack and leaving behind a bunch of weapons, equipment, and an American dog that was lent to them. They promised to get the dog back but never did.

>>63921885
it tricks the enemy into thinking the navy will come from the sea, but they're actually on the land

>>63926962
>this is also why i think seals are full of shit whilst the SAS remain the best
I mean you don't even have to go overseas for example when america have delta that also keep quiet about their mission. It speaks volumes that the only mission they are known for happened 30 years ago while seals keep pumping books and internet clout.

>>63926916
5.56mm is not a DMR caliber. I can see why those guys got rolled if that was all they had.

>>63927184
>It speaks volumes that the only mission they are known for happened 30 years ago while seals keep pumping books and internet clout.

To be fair, the average person doesn't know anything about that. But they might have seen the Lone Survivor movie or read the book.

>>63907147
>He also had to repeat BUD/s twice according to Dick Couch's book on Warrior Elite or the forge, can't remember which.


Getting recycled is nothing to be ashamed of. If you think it is, you've never done shit.

>>63927246
Correct. Getting recycled means the staff thinks you're good enough to get another chance. Non-performers do not recycled, they are removed from training.

>>63921288
why didn't they all run? They would all be alive now.

>>63907005 (OP)
reminder that Luttrell got his twin brother to impersonate him during buds so he could get a few days rest

>>63927188
They only load it with Gucci 77 grain Mk 262 bullet instead of the standard 62 grain m855 for that exact reason.

>>63927629
I find that impossible to believe since it implies his brother is just as good at the physical stuff as he is, despite not being a trainee SEAL. Then there's the land based warfare skills, the combat diving, etc. You really think Luttrell just told his brother to go do that shit and the brother got it done?

>>63927839
>despite not being a trainee SEAL

that's a good thing. trainees are beat up and sore. doing seal pt for 1 day is not impossible.

>>63927246
>Getting recycled is nothing to be ashamed of.
Being responsible for a blue on blue in training and eventually getting your entire team squad wiped + the QRF is.

>>63907005 (OP)
I can't prove it, but I know in my bones that the mysterious radio problems were that the team didn't update the crypto on the radios they brought with them and when it rolled over to the next week that's why they weren't able to talk to anyone, until presumably whoever they were talking to on the other end realized it and plugged the old crypto codes into a TOC radio.

>>63926972
Maybe the dog was already made into kebab by the time they located it.

>>63929430
I used to think this because dicked up crypto rolls were a constant problem when I was in the navy. Ed Darack is pretty adamant in Victory Point that the real issue is that a 5W MBIITR is not good enough for the terrain. The team didn't have a 119G, which is what they'd have needed for stable comms. Could be both a crypto and a power issue I guess kek

>>63924866
whose ever thought sailors are bad ass, since the ymca song came out?

>>63922242
>The old man looks like an old man
>better not get any vitamin D goy

>>63907655
Marcus used an SR-25 IRL but I'm guessing the studio couldn't get a hold of one so the armorer had to make a stand in using an M16.

>>63907005 (OP)
Didn't lutrell lie about the whole thing and ran off the minute they started getting shot at?

>>63930271
Based on the recording he was still near enough to his mates 10 minutes after the engagement began for one of them to be shouting at him. Contrary to most posts it's not really a "Marcus where the fuck are you going?!" type yell, more just the kind of call outs you'd expect. Most likely scenario is that he was in the fight until shit really started to go south and then he bolted to save his own ass. Not trying to absolve him of any later tall tales, but the "he heard gunshots and fled immediately without firing a shot" is just as fanciful a narrative as the movie when we have footage that implies otherwise.

>>63930377
where can I find this footage

>>63907005 (OP)
they were all crackheads. seriously they were junkies who partied with whores smoking crack. lutrrell and murphy were gay for each other too.

I know the guy who sold them drugs. the also were awol a lot while ate up on rocks too. the brass covered for them as to not fuck up their chances to get a better post and keep their jobs despite being pieces of shit. the seals would rob white drug dealers and sell their weapons and gear to the nogs. same as the serial killer pedophiles in delta.

It was a massive clusterfuck by the navy, and in the fine tradition of massive military clusterfucks, everyone involved with it collectively decided to save their careers by making up a fake story about how the dead guys ended up dead and and giving them all medals.

>>63907465
they went awol to smoke crack and suck dick for drugs in norfolk.

>>63907147
>>63927246
crackhead murphy is a well known thing back then around littlecreek. they stole shit for drugs. he failed and told his officers if i cant be a seal I'll tell on everyone and i got people holding envelopes all over. he was a child fucking crackhead rat from a family of incest rats.

>>63907045
And the rest got shot with 50 yo ammo. What superpowerful buff do you think “current year” has on a bad plan vs home field advantage

>>63907045
Loitering fixed wing firepower could have covered the helo whch might be the real reason for the new cropduster.

>>63930410
tell us about the delta force serial killers please

>>63930410
>my dad sells Crack to the navy seals
lol that's a new one

>>63922209
probably a reserve unit

>>63930496
every time delta comes back from "being real american heroes" a hooker/teen runaway is found dead and mutilated "from animal bites" on the road out in Harnett county by bragg.
>>63930603
no, I sold guitars to the drug dealer, I was the plugs plug for neat shit. they never shut the fuck up about what they can trade for drugs. too bad i wasnt that into guns then.

>>63907005 (OP)
had an officer in the S3 shop in my battalion that was a platoon leader for the battalion that the SEALs took that mission from. In our workup for afghanistan each company and platoon once a week would do what we called a "why they deserved to die" class where we would break down failures and medals(if you had to do something to earn a high valor award then you failed somewhere in planning/execution) in the GWOT. The officer in S3 gave the "why they deserved to die" class to the whole battalion on this mission and we were all so blown away because at the time the book was popular and the movie was about to be made.

>>63907045
it turns out when you are fighting guys trained by the CIA, even if it was 30 years prior, and are on their home turf with crew served weapons and RPG's you can easily beat 4 guys with rifles who gave their position away 12 hours prior. Whodathunkit?

>>63907147
officers can't do BUD/s twice, he probably got rolled back in training, but didn't fail out.

>>63907200
see >>63930987 if you're not just being disingenuous

>>63924844
That's everyone tbf

>>63907441
the "grunt retards" plan that you called it was to walk in from 11 miles away from their FOB, with a recon platoon reinforced by infantry company for support, set up an inner and outer cordone, and just drop ass on the guy if he showed up. Unlike the super duper SEALs who did 2 fake helo insertions, and left their fast-rope rope at the LZ and made tracks all the way to their position, while only bringing an embitter radio and a satalite phone, no crew served weapons, and only one of them having had any sort of combat experience albeit in a different combat zone altogether.

>>63921493
>>63921902

yea and the Army has the world's fourth largest navy

but CBs theres maybe like 3-4 batallions of them or something there really isnt alot

>>63927191
>To be fair, the average person doesn't know anything about that
Nah, most people already equate seals as THE spec ops. Hollyjew shit like american sniper, tears of the sun, zero dark thirty, 13 hours, the rock, under siege, etc feature a navy seal or former navy seal as the main protagonist and cement navy seals as the archetypal spec op group. Don't forget about those ex-navy seals book that boomers use to vicariously live through them while posting some lame shit defending Israel on Facebook.
Meanwhile the only time people ever heard of delta force was from black hawk down 30 years ago

>>63926962
the sas literally wrote the book on this kind of coverup PR campaign

I can't believe that 20 years later we are still talking about how a bunch of retarded NSW officers got 19 people killed in a single day in a relatively low intensity conflict. None of this happens without the ego of the JSOC commander not allowing 3rd Marines to utilize 160th airlift without SEAL Team 10 involved.

These retards went into a contested area with hand drawn maps and no commo, not even a SAW with 4 guys. Their QRF was playing frisbee without anyone on radio watch. The QRF commander ordered the pilots to outrun their gunship cover and did not prep the LZ with fires, probably because he felt a need to make up for the massive delay they caused.

The local militia who killed them weren't likely affiliated with central Taliban leadership at all.

>>63931967
At least 19 elite soldiers didn't die in a day.

>>63927839
iirc it wasnt for any of the seal specific stuff, just running up hills and stamina shit. he was openly bragging about it on one of the ex-sof podcasts and despite being a lying dipshit, this seemed like a very fond memory that he was proud to share with his brother.

>>63930957
I'd have loved to be part of those briefs, sounds like a really good training opportunity on what not to do

>>63927839
Pretty sure his brother is a SEAL too

>>63927191
USN uses SEALs as a recruiting tool to get people who washout and become paint scrapers, so they're very well publicized.

>>63933503
they were, that was the whole point. Its common sense, but people have to be told, if you had to do something to get a medal, things went horribly wrong. As infantrymen, if you do your job right, no one will ever hear about it or care.

>>63929994
Why do basic facts like too much sun is bad for you have to be a jewish conspiracy with you fags?

Water is essential for life, it can also poison you if you drink too much of it. The important factor is always the dosage/exposure.

>>63907761
Triggered.

>>63907654
wtf nice eyes boi

>>63921263
It makes a lot of sense that when the boats arrive somewhere new you're going to have to build fortifications, roads, bridges, etc when you get there. The Navy has a higher ASVAP score to enter and imo is better suited "culturally" to producing good engineers than the Marine Corps who make an excellent fighting unit but not so smart mmmkay

>>63931976
It's not so surprising that after going into full damage control mode the military managed to psyop the American public into believing an abject failure and embarrassment of an op was actually a heroic moment. I promise you the average Americans understanding of redwings is that which was portrayed in the film. In fact I'm willing to believe the avg American thinks the scene with the radio operator dying heroically happened exactly the way it did in the movie, that the entire firefight happened exactly the way it was portrayed in the movie. Hell, most people don't even know that the whole "decision" to let the guys who discovered them go is a total fabrication.

Americans desperately crave that sweet sweet feeling of WW2 where everyone's a hero and there's an object "good guy". They're so thirsty for it they'll slurp up any slop that's dumped Infront of them.