>offensive handgun
what the hell is that supposed to mean?

It was meant to be carried in lieu of a rifle, used "offensively" rather than as an emergency defensive measure. Like with a regular pistol you whip it out if your rifle goes down or is too overt, but the Mk23 was supposed to replace the rifle completely in certain situations.

>>63907694
/thread

>>63907676 (OP)
glowie shit

>>63907676 (OP)
It screams racial slurs when you pull the trigger

>>63908231
Why would I want my handgun to do what I already do myself ?

>>63907676 (OP)
>mk designation
how many of you englishlets and historylets pronounce this as 'em-kay'? you're retarded, because it's 'mark' as in the mark 23, the 23rd iteration
it's also a navy designation

it was made for seals to use otb at a time when handguns were just thought of as 'defensive sidearms' or backup weapons, hence the 'offensive' handgun branding
but apparently they just used it as a sidearm and then complained about it being to big, so it makes you wonder who requested it in the first place

>>63908275
>how many of you englishlets and historylets pronounce this as 'em-kay'?
Every accusation is an admission...

if you ever use ur handgun defensively you are a huge gigantic pussy

im purely offensive. an unstoppable object. fuck both u pussy liberal n conservatives

>>63907676 (OP)
It means you're jealous. Just get one already.

>>63908275
I switch between them to whichever will piss people like you off more

>>63908275

>>63908275
Practically everyone who hasn't operated a firearm pronounces the Mk. abbreviation as "em-kay". Like Seth MacFarlane on American Dad. Also doesn't help that people here just type "mk" and leave it at that.

>>63907676 (OP)
It insulted your mother.

>>63908286
i know for a fact most people are retarded and their first exposure to seeing 'mk' was the mk17 in cod
just the state of the world we live in, don't look at me

>>63908306
>Like Seth MacFarlane
He was just being ironc and is a really nice man.

>>63908261
It doubles your rate of fire

>>63908330
Mine was the Ford Escort Mk II in some now-ancient rally game (no idea which, but likely one of the Colin McRae Rally series before he got his eternal flight)

>>63907676 (OP)
PR that HK turds eat up.

>>63907676 (OP)
It was designed from the ground up to be a primary weapon, not a secondary backup like all pistols before it. It was made for shooting brown people, and it was very, very based.

My name is MARK and I’m 23 YEARS OLD haha

>>63907676 (OP)
>Testing new OHS
>Pull trigger
>BA-NIGGER-NG
>Testing stops, everybody looks at each other
>"Did anyone else hear something... strange?"
>"N-no" says the manufacturer rep
>Testing resumes
>BA-FAGGOT-NG
>BA-KIKE-NG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POr5rJ7NL14

>>63907676 (OP)
It was an "Offensive Handgun" concept which SOCOM had thought up, and they held trials for it (which Colt flunked, and H&K aced), but the actual parameters and planned purpose of the OHWS didn't end up really making a lot of sense.

In the end, these pistols were not used by that many people, just because it was just kind of unnecessary to most of them.
However, certain groups of amphibious operators, people who were actually expected to spend a lot of time in the water, apparently found that they liked the Mk.23 a lot because the Mk.23 is actually so fucking tough that it can tolerate you cruising around in deep saltwater with the thing for days and still keep working, which the vast majority of service pistols aren't really fit to handle.

>>63908275
>so it makes you wonder who requested it in the first place
If I recall right, the OHSW program's parameters was something drafted up by committee.

>>63910662
The idea was sound, its just that the MP7 is a better manifestation of it. The Mk23 is fundamentally an early 90s gun, where a lot of the units involved were still using riced out 1911s and stopping power was still dogma, and in that sense insisting on .45 for your standard suppressed pistol is pretty reasonable. Its only in hindsight it seems goofy, because we have so many alternatives now.

>>63908298
If you want a STUPIDLY rugged .45, it's gonna give you exactly that. 12rds is maybe slightly low for how big it is, but you can use .45 Super in it, it's tough enough to take it.

>>63910681
I'm strongly biased against 5.7mm and 4.6mm, but fundamentally a real short stocked carbine is a much better candidate, yeah.

>>63908421
H&K didn't coin it, they just already had a rock solid pistol which they adapted to the program requirements.
It's not that hot marketing given how little service the Mk.23 actually saw, and given how modest the sales are.

>>63907676 (OP)
I want one but I can't really justify spending that kind of money on a third .45 H&K.

>>63908298
i am this close to getting one, i just really wish i could get the old-school LAM or something just as blocky...

>>63907676 (OP)
They tried making a pistol that's meant to be an offensive tool rather than badge of an officer or backup weapon. Suffice to say, it didn't work out.

>>63910722
Also, this gun eventually progressed into the USP.

>>63910738
>, i just really wish i could get the old-school LAM or something just as blocky...
They are out there, pick yours out and wait for it.

I feel like if HK had of made the Mk.23 select fire, given it an extended magazine, and thrown on a polymer detachable stock it would have been a game changer for the weapon.
A true Mk.22 successor and a much more usable weapon overall for the roll it was meant to fill.
y/n?

>>63910754

that's not true. it's everything they claimed it is, and made it to be, and it's a marvel of craft. the army just did not need 250,000 of them. they're still what they are, which is desireable for a lot of reasons to a lot of people. as far as military handguns go, not counting executions, it's done a lot of work in a lot of different situations, because it's remarkably reliable. it really is remarkable. i can make almost any handgun malfunction in at least two or three different ways by riding the slide wrong, holding it wrong when i shoot, or something else. you really can't make a mk23 malfunction. the bullet just always finds its way in, the slide always closes, the round always ignites, it always ejects. you know how ejecting rounds and catching them is fun? on almost any handgun, how hard you reciprocate the slide determines which angle the bullet flies off at. with the mk23 *the bullet always goes the same way no matter if you rack it slow or fast*. the only other gun that has the same magic cycling qualtiy i've ever seen is a Nylon 66.

>>63910789
doubt it would have seen more use, the more rifle like it becomes the more you have to ask why not just take a carbine or SMG. the actual successor to the mk22 is a Ruger amphibian, which presumably does have a socom designation but idk what it is.

>>63908231
>>63908261
>>63908406
topkek

>>63910789
That would have handled like shit, better just issuing an MP5k PDW instead

>>63909747
but are u offensive?

>>63910758
I used to think that too once, but it's the other way around.

>AWB era America
>.40 S&W is getting some traction since if you can only have 10+1rds, might as well make them a little bigger and faster
>H&K sees this, decide they'll get into the .40 game
>engineer themselves a pretty damn solid .40 caliber pistol, the USP
>Bundeswehr is looking for a new 9mm pistol
>H&K decides they'll rechamber the USP to 9mm and submit that
>it wins hands down, in big part because it's a .40 pistol running 9mm, so it's a bit overbuilt for the cartridge, very sturdy
>SOCOM announces the OHWS program
>H&K are on a roll, so they decide they'll use their successful USP as a basis for their entry
>rechamber for .45 and then build it extra thicc so that it lasts forever
>co-operate with KAC for the silencer and LAM
>meanwhile Colt, in a confused daze, submits something thrown together from their various recent flops
>unsurprisingly, H&K wins this contract too, because they already had a solid and modern pistol to start with, Colt didn't and it really shows
>people also come to realize that the OHSW goals are kind of goofy and dubious, so not that many operators end up using them, but hey, H&K got paid and they also sell their Mk.23 commercially

>>63907676 (OP)
You are so late to this discussion it is not even funny. Basically, it was not designed as CCW for a civilian to carry around

>>63910738
I'd be happy if I could find a decent LAM .stl just to sick something on my own Mk23.

>>63910789
Extendo mags and a folding stock that could be used as a VFG in the folded position without interfering with the LAM would've been improvements, yes.
Trying to fit a third control lever on an already crowded grip for semi/auto probably wouldn't have worked.

>>63910789
Sup

>>63911254
dios mio

>>63911254
American GIGN energy

>>63908231
Does anyone remember the mod for the original Portal where the turrets would scream "nigger" at you while they shot? I know I saw this in 2008, but like most things from that era, it's nearly impossible to find or completely memory holed.

>>63911319
Someone on /v/ MIGHT have it if you were to ask in a Portal thread there, though I would expect that board to be mostly zoomer cretins by now.

>>63911254
>piss Democrats off with this one simple trick!

>>63907676 (OP)
If it’s supposed to be all badass and super rugged, why doesn’t someone make a full metal lower housing so you can spend another $1000 to say your MK23 is even more badass and rugged?

>>63911437
The only metal that would make the design more rugged is steel, and with a pistol that size, you're going to be carrying over 3 pounds of gun around if you want that metal frame. The polymer frame is sufficient and the gun does what it needs to do.

>>63911437
Because polymer is more rugged.

>>63907676 (OP)
they call it an offensive handgun because of how ugly it is

>>63907676 (OP)
It chews with its mouth open and puts its elbows on the dinner table. Needless to say the Mk23 is no longer invited to dinner, such horrible manners nearly caused my maid to faint

>>63911437
>>63911451
It's already 3.2lbs loaded. With suppressor and LAM, it's 5lbs.
If it were steel it would be a fucking boat anchor.

I still wonder if anyone has rechambered one for .460

I hate advertising, or even talking about guntubers, but this has actual information from people who used it extensively.
Propelled divers with a MK23 strapped to their hip doing shady shit.

https://youtu.be/w3Hfm2OoCNo?feature=shared

pic unrel

>>63911855
Ive heard of USP owners rechabering theirs in Alaska as their innawoodscarry.

>>63908306
Firearms aren't the only things that have Mk. designations and people do say Mk instead of "mark" anyway

>>63910789
It would certainly be a cool gun, but I don’t know how useful >1000rpm full auto is from a <20 round magazine. 45 also has quite the impulse, so it may not even be controllable.

I really want one but I kinda feel like the smarter thing would just be to buy a cheap Glock or something, cause I can’t hit shit with pistols anyway.

I don't need it

>>63912096
It’s ok to buy guns just because you want them, just because they’re cool.

>>63912144
I know. That’s one of the first things I tell people when they come in looking to buy a “starter gun” or whatever. But you see, I am poor, and I would feel pretty shitty if I pulled out my $2000 mk23 just to put like 5 rounds on target. I’ll probably do it anyway if I ever have a whole bunch of money burning a hole in my pocket. I’m just saying it’s not smart is all. Makes me feel better about not owning one.

>>63907676 (OP)
It's an operator thing. You wouldn't understand.

>>63908261
Economy of Convenience. People pay for shit that they could do themselves, but can't be bothered.

As someone who would love an H&K fullsize .45, is there any reason at all to pick up a mk23 over a USP .45? Not a metal gear fan so it's not like I have reason to specifically want the fuckoff huge one

>>63907676 (OP)
>what the hell is that supposed to mean?
Picture the deagle from counterstrike, understand how it's used. It's like that, but worse and gay

>>63912153
Well it’s a very precise gun from what I’ve heard so if you do miss then you can be sure it’s a skill issue.

>>63910738
IIRC those old LAM units were under the jurisdiction of the FDA or some other government institution that you wouldn't think of when you think weapon laser. So it was such a pain in the ass only a few of them were made.

>>63908231
I've actually been thinking about writing a cyberpunk universe where all guns have microphones connected to the trigger. In order to fire the gun, you have to say a command word. Various gangs use hacked guns that require racial slurs to operate.

>>63912287
Secure your guns against AI-commandeering with this one weird trick!

>>63912287
Gun activated by saying the one thing an evil doer would never say, "I love America"

>>63907676 (OP)
It's the perfect home offense gun.

>>63912567
No, they’re allowed to say that. The forbidden word is “nigger”. Leftists are forbidden, almost by physical laws, from uttering those two syllables. Even AI can be tricked into writing it out (prompt: what was the name of HP lovecraft’s cat?), but leftists would sooner die than do a heckin blasphemy.

>>63912574

>>63912287
I remember reading a story once about a nuclear bomb in the middle of New York City that could only be deactivated by yelling a slur at it

Why does this "topic" have 75 replies?

>>63912773
There are nearly 150 threads on the board; they can't all appeal to your niche interest.

>>63912737
Step aside. I’ll save the city.

>>63912216
Not really. Get a USP 45 Tactical though and suppress it. The gun becomes twice as good.
>even softer to shoot
>hearing safe

>>63912222
It's a million times more reliable than the Deagle.

>>63910738
Some people settle for just getting the LAM from one of the airsoft ones.

>>63912620
Not untrue.

>>63912737
That was something someone came up with to fuck with ChatGPT or something, to demonstrate how fucking crooked and censored it was.

>>63907694
Was this ever done in practice?

>>63913717
The Big Shell Incident

>look guys, I’m saying the NIGGER word! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER!!! Isn’t that hecking zased? NIGGER!!!!!!! Top keks indeed, friendo.
Typing nigger 20 times isn’t humor. Fart jokes are more mature and thought out.

>>63910868
You tell me, ya fuckin nigger :)

>>63913827
LA LI LU LE LO?

>>63913844
Nigger fart :DDDDD

>>63913844
Pipe down, nigger.

>>63913844
Back of the bus for you.