Thread 63907744

In current year, at various price points.

that monkey is going to learn the ways of man real quick when it loses that eye.

Ah vee pee

>>63907744 (OP)
wow imagine having a baboon as a ghillie suit

>>63907898
>To counter thermal detection and drones snipers will wear monkey ghillies
>enemies will see a thermal signature and upon checking they will write it off as "just another monkey"
>Sniper school consists of people learning how to make random monkey noises and swinging from tree to tree while eating bananas

Armalite Model-A rifle. Just cobble one together.

The ones with long barrels and quality optical targeting instruments.

I need Atleast one additional constraint, otherwise there is no solution. Proof: find the best long range rifle and cartridge, and scale it up. You now have something even better. Repeat ad infinitum.

What you want to maximize, cartridge wise, are 3 things:
1) sectional energy
2) provisions for a VLD bullet
3) shot-to-shot consistency.

These are really the 3 factors that determine a cartridge’s external ballistics. BC, velocity (combining to form “time of flight”) and accurate knowledge of the bullet’s BC and velocity right as it exits the muzzle. This last one becomes hugely important as the range increases.

I honestly don’t know what you’d look for in a rifle, specifically, other than the very general “mechanical accuracy.”

>>63907744 (OP)
Ruger American or Tikka T3 in 6.5 creedmoor, best bang for your buck in current year

>>63908463
>and scale it up. You now have something even better
That isn't necessarily better at all. A gun that's too heavy to carry effectively is useless. And making things bigger also harms accuracy. For example, WWII era Naval guns had impressive accuracy, but Schwerer Gustav's accuracy was abysmal.
You correctly identified consistency being extremely important, yet failed to realize that the bigger one makes things the more difficult this becomes.

>>63908526
>guns become too heavy

Correct, that’s why I said that OP needs to impose an additional constraint. Otherwise a >100lb rifle firing some 20mm wildcat is an excellent long range gun. But purely ballistically speaking, yes, scaling up always improves external ballistics because everything stays the same except sectional density goes up.

>>63907881
awm in real life doe

>>63907744 (OP)
browning .50

>>63907744 (OP)
Sako TRG 42, in 338 Lapua Magnum

>>63907744 (OP)
SAKO Tikka line of rifles

>>63908497
What do you have against a Remington 700?

>>63907744 (OP)
Its a weird question considering I've never seen anyone here post a group at even 100 that would suggested they could wring out even what a Rem 700 with factory ammo in 308 has to offer.
Long range? 300m? 1000? Doesn't really matter. You are going to get a bunch of answers. Barrett, AI...
I recommend Cheytac. About 10,000. .357 or 408CT. Both are great.

>>63913958
*375

>>63908497
>6.5 creedmoor
use 308 like God intended

I wish he could shoot those sick fucks that torture monkeys for profit on the internet

>>63913978
monkeys are giant cock suckers and would be treated like wild hogs and coyotes if they were in the US

>>63913999
Doesn't mean they deserve to be tortured though, they're intelligent creatures.

>>63913972
Or you can NOT be a pussy and get a 300 win mag and vastly superior results.

>>63907898
>>63908267
Almost as clever as the tempered glass trick.

>>63907744 (OP)
What kind of "long range precision shooting?" PRS matches? ELR? Military sniper operations? Antimateriel employment?

Tikka for sure, especially if you wanna do it cheap.

>>63913972
6.5 is a better precision round.

>>63914451
and it's a tiny round barely good enough for squirrel
308 has been putting venison in my freezer for years

>>63913943
Remington 700s are great as long as they're not made by Remington.

why does no one in these threads ever talk about custom actions even though basically everyone at the top level of precision shooting sports is using one? the fags in /arg/ will drop $6000 on a clone build just because deltacom ranger force uses it, but /prs/ doesn't even acknowledge that these things exist, let alone that basically every range record is being set with them.

>>63915367
Because people who ask "wut gun r best" don't want to be told to buy a Kelbly action, Criterion barrel, Macmillan stock, Brownell's bottom metal, and then take it all to a gunsmith to have it assembled. They want to swipe once and then take it to a range to get outshot by a kid with a 10/22.

>>63913936
based
>>63913894
even better but god help me i can't afford that ammo bill.

>>63915367
Its harder, longer, and more expensive to gain the value of full custom builds. They aren't recommended because there are less of them, less people who shoot them, and they're much more expensive.

>>63915367
>>63915396
Because this is a question that beginners ask, not seasoned pros. Even if you have the funds for a custom build I would not recommend one as your first rifle. You have no idea what you want or like, so having a gun that’s tailored to your needs is meaningless. Get something generic, then determine what you do and don’t like.

>>63915620
yeah but op said "the best" not "the best I can get from cabelas." a custom build isn't even that much more expensive looking at the big picture.

>>63915367
Custom actions are unnecessary unless you're up there with the best
I have seen very accurate rifles built on 100-year-old Mosin receivers

>>63915681
Now you're being deliberately pedantic, anon. If someone asks "what's the best car for the track days at my local course," he is not expecting, and most anons would not offer, advice that he build a car from the ground up based on the particular conditions at his local track. This is, from an objective standpoint, the best answer. But that's not what he's actually asking for, and normal people recognize that.

Is it sloppy English? Yes. But we do that shit all the time to speed communication and society has yet to descend into irrecoverable anarchy.

>>63916316
the op even said "at various price points" and at the >$2k level you're basically stupid to not be considering custom builds.even if you want to compare it to cars the people driving volkswagen golfs have probably put a bunch of aftermarket parts in them.

>>63916588
You might not even need anything besides a new barrel and possibly bedding

>>63907744 (OP)
artillery

>>63907744 (OP)
I'm probably a bit out of date but Im confident these will work. Also a suppressor is almost mandatory. Not writing in range finders, slings, kestrel, spares, drag bags, random small attachments, or paper back ups expect 400$ for range finder + paper up to 2500$ for higher end things.

Destitute poor 1300$ (stick to 6.5 creed)
>savage 110 tactical or bergara ridge
>swfa fixed 12x
>seekins rings are THE BEST and lowest price point aluminum rings to consider.
>magpul bipod


Budget 2500$ area stick to 6.5 creed
>Ruger's RPR, savage 110 tactical with KRG Bravo chassis or Bell and Carlson aluminum bedding block stock or factory chasis savage
>swfa fixed 12x or their 3-15x, primary arms/Arken/Athelon series higher grade optics
>seekins rings
>magpul bipod, Harris bipod

Mid 4300$ area stick to 6.5 creed or 300wm
>bergara b14 hmr with krg x-ray chasis (this combo despite pricier has value due to weight), savage and ruger chassis rifles still viable but heavy, consider DD ar10.
>leupold Mk4 series, low end nightforce ffp, higher grade vortex razors,
>arca rails + something like slik tripod 15lb+ class
>seekins rings or find steel rings.
>atlas, magpul, or Harris bipod

Good 7000-13000$ 6.5 creed, 300wm, 338lm
>military rifles like Sako, Mcmillan, AI, consider good AR10s ie: Seekins, LMT, and even DD (light and good barrels just can't handle high volume shooting).
>mk5 leupolds, tactical nightforce
>hopefully find steel rings
>Some of the heavy more robust tripods seen in PRS (many brands) + atlas bipod

Wild cards are if you have time, tools, money.
>building off custom actions
Can get you excellent weight to performance ratios down to 2300$ amd the sky is the limit
>handloading
Can get greater accuracy with superior range. 300prc range surpassing military 338lm etc.
>>63915367
It's a lot to explain to someone new but better to someone who can handle a little bit of detail. With prefit barrels now it's not even hard.

>>63915681
>>63915620
>>63915367

They're not too bad now. Examples of ones that accept prefits even
>Weatherby 307 action $500 from pacific gauge and tool or aero solus is something like 650$ from northland
>Bell and Carlson stock $350
>your preferred highest quality barrel ~1000$ (some offer good down to ~600$)
>your preferred bottom metal ~150-250$

The highest end custom things will likely outperform most military equipment for the weight especially if handloading. BAT actions are only $2k for example and they make some of the most suitable XL magnum platforms.

>>63917282
>arc coup de grace action $1199.99
>bartlein barrel $465
>triggertech diamond $279.99
>krg xray chassis $557.99
>leupold mkv $2199.99
>mdt scope rings $129.95
>gunsmithing $400

this comes to $5232.91 and would be way better than your mid tier and even your good tier

>>63918236
That's just rifle setup m8. Also was trying to do factory ready.
>bergara hmr 300wm 1400$
>seekins rings 130$
>mk4 1500$
>krg x-ray 600$
>magpul bipod 130$
>slik tripod setup ~$500
4260$ for instantly sourceable parts that'll likely get you ~1 moa magnum rifle that isn't too heavy, can wear a suppressor, and can fire in multiple positions.
I'm in a gun state but funny enough it's challenging to find gun smiths that can do barrels so with custom actions I'm looking at 650$-$1100 prefit barrels.

>>63913972
i prefer 30-06.

>>63919954
1 moa is child's play the build I posted will shoot 1/4" at 100 yards. $4k for 1 moa is a fucking rip since you can get sub moa with a $600 remington 700 and $20 worth of devcon.