Thread 63909443

Range edition. Try to be like laser beam anon at 7 yards

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Previous: >>63897498

for me? it's the FULL dust cover

>>63909486
I like it. Big and black.

>>63909486
God damn, that's slick

P32 appreciators around?

>>63909605
Get a real personality

(You)

>>63908980
>woman's caliber
inviting such a thing exists. I shoot more .22lr than all the other calibers I own combined. You sound like a faggot. real "5' 7" manlet driving a jacket up raptor" vibes. I have a 632 TI, it's fucking great. I had a 340 PD, it sucked to shoot.

I'm a noob still, but I tried different grips for recoil control and found the following:

Bob Vogel
>vice grip with both arms locked out
Hickock45
>right arm locked, left arm bent
Lena Miculek
>firm grip, elbows bent and raised kinda high

All of them hit insane shots, but that girly grip with the elbows bent gave me the best results so far.

>>63909656
I shoot all of those stances, and can shoot well with them all. I find that Bob's for fast defensive shots to be the best, and Miculek's best for precision.

>>63909634
I wonder how bearable a ported 340pd would be.

>>63909634
Im really thinking about getting a 632 since I just want a pocket pistol at this point. The bodyguard seems really nice too but I’m worried about failures if I’m not fast enough to draw with a perfect grip.

>>63909605
Big money playas always appreciate a good mouse gun

>>63909726
Can I get a quick rundown/review on the seecamp?

God I love the p2000

>>63909443 (OP)
What are some good older milsurp pistols with a ten round capacity or less you can carry every now and then in the winter? preferably in 9mm. star? zastava's? preferably da/sa but any is fine. or things like the smith third gen series or sig 225/239? any recs? pls no 1911s or polymer shit

>>63909926
carrying an old shitty pistol is not a personality

is there a specific reason you want an old piece of shit (since you're excluding the best older milsurp pistol, the 1911)

>>63909926
Man those are some pretty strict requirements. Star firestars are cheap but not especially notable. The only thing that comes to mind as being a nice gun that fits those requirements is the S&W model 39. Under 500 can be done.
And yes smith 3rd gens are great if you want to drop the milsurp requirement. 3913 with wood grips and you've got a subcompact with the look you seem to want.

>>63909926
p230?

>>63909926
>>63909936
To be fair, I have carried every single gun in this picture.

S&W 3rd gens people keep saying are unreliable, but those could be glocksuckers, the complaints I've heard were that the pistols were expensive (over twice the price of glocks) and not much better. S&W 3rd gens go for cheap, the 3913 or 3914 "lady smith" is a decent carry option as it's a thin single stack DA/SA 9mm. I think one of the thinnest 9mms ever made. Beretta 92 Type M compacts are also single stack but are hard to track down.
https://www.gunbroker.com/all/search?keywords=3913&sort=13&pagesize=24

>>63909817
I did a more in-depth one a few threads back when asked but here ya go in case you missed it. Keep in mind I have the 380 so recoil is harsher than 32.
>Well-built, feels solid and dependable, works without the extractor as you can see in the image
>Harsh recoil. Very long double action+short frame back to front made for an awkward grip in my larger hands that exacerbated the recoil issue.
>Only feeds hollowpoints and flat nose with short enough OAL. flat nose 380 is hard to find so training with it is rather expensive.
>No sights of any kind, completely flat top so hard to be accurate fast at any sort of distance beyond 5 yards.

>>63909710
it's a great gun for what it is. probably the most shootable j frame I own. is next light and has almost zero recoil. I'm running federal premium hst w/e (purple box) and it's like 38+p out of a sp101. it's actually fun to plink with 32 long. Not something I'd do with the 340, even with regular 38.

I've decided that I definitely want a manual safety

> OMFG WHAT A DUMB IDEA!! YOU MIGHT FORGET TO DISENGAGE THE SAFETY!! THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER TO DISENGAGE THE SAFETY WHEN YOU NEED TO DEFEND YOURSELF!! THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY!!!

...on my 1911

> well duh. Obviously you need a manual safety. The 1911 platform is over 100 years old. They all have manual safeties. It's never been a problem. What are you even talking about?

omg what if I forget to pull the trigger?? What if I just """forget""" how triggers work?? I need a firearm with no trigger because I cannot possibly remember all the complicated steps!! <---- this is how you sound when you imagine that people will forget to disengage a safety. It's just as dumb as imaging that someone will forget to pull the trigger.

It's a machine. You have to learn the steps to operate it. This normally called a manual of arms. If you have a safety (and you should) then you just learn to disengage it. It's not a big deal. 1911 guys aren't rocket scientists. They're mostly boomer biker gangs. Just try to be as smart as them.

Do your part to prepare for the bear menace…

>>63910027
Automatic-transmissioncels be like
>OMG you drive manual??!??! What if you forget to put it in first gear before letting out the clutch???

For real though, a lot of these are just stupid what ifs with literally no examples to back it up that are me fucking up. Any story someone can bring up is a skill issue, and quite frankly I'm built different.

>>63910052
Not exactly a laser beam at 7 yards, but for a snubnose 454 shooting double action… I’m happy to have all 12 in the target…

>>63910052
Imagine trying to go up against this with .32acp and a prolapsed anus.

>>63910052
Did those ship flat or rolled. AMSWER ME FAGGOT!!!

>>63910052
What percentage of the general bear population are black bears? Are they violent as their human counterparts?

>>63910071
Flat. Posted it in the other thread, but it’s heading to 10 anyway..

>>63910085
>those hands
hey gramps

>>63910075
Not sure on the numbers, but they can do incredible damage WITH THEIR BEAR HANDS! Imagine if they were armed…

I don't eat fast food

>>63909926
>good older milsurp pistol
Check
>ten round capacity or less
Check
>you can carry every now and then in the winter?
Check
>preferably in 9mm
Check (you didn't specify which 9mm)
>da/sa
Check
Makarovs used to be wildly popular when they were more commonly available, but over the last decade or so they have faded from memory and are now very underrated.

>>63910075
vast majority of bears are black bears, just by virtue of having a larger habitat. i forgot the actual numbers, but it's almost like 10-1; something like 500k black bears, 50k brown bears, 5k polar bears.

>>63910075
In Florida, they climb trees.

>>63910096
they have been endowed by the creator with the inalienable right to bear arms.

>>63910052
how much harder recoiling is .454 versus .44 mag?

>>63910118
>(you didn't specify which 9mm)
Gee I wonder why they fell out of favor...

Learning how to shoot paper standing up and stationary is fine but you need to learn some tactic and shooting on the move.

>>63909955
>>63909968
smith 3914 looks good.
I'll think I'll go with that one thanks.
>>63910118
kek no not that 9mm ;)

I went to a new (to me) outdoor range recently and a local PD had reserved the 50 yard range so I shot at the range bay right next to them assuming it was 25 yards.
Turns out that was the 50 yard and the cops set up on the 25 yard range instead of what they reserved. I was wondering why I was only landing 50% of my shots on a 10x10 target. Normally at 25 yards I get 80-90% in a 6 inch spread so I thought I was really slipping

>>63910121
gators climb fences. watch out for the drop snakes too

>>63910132
For the same or similar barrel length and weight of gun… and assuming your comparing middle of the road 454 vs middle of the road 44 mag, not weak 454 vs buffalo bores hottest 44 I’d say it’s about 30-50% more kick, it’s a lot louder, although some of that might be that the snubnose 454 has an inch and half or so less barrel.. it definitely has more “shock” due to being a good bit higher pressure than 44.

>>63910158
you can't immediately tell the difference between 50y and 25y? are you a woman?

>>63910136
u r a fagt
>>63910155
Not too late to have a unique EDC that pulls double duty as a bottle opener.
Great bar trick.

>>63910119
Probably never gonna get polar bear targets due to ink costs….

>>63910168
I've only shot at indoor ranges until this summer and it made it hard to get a scale for things desu

>>63910052
Those targets are awesome but the puns people are making are unbearable

>>63910170
It's great until you pull it out at a bar and the bartender does the "12 gauge brain vaporizer" trick back

>>63910183
>go to bar
>have a few drinks
>get to show off your milsurp PM
>bartender gets to show off his inherited M37
>engage in a playful gun fight
>everyone has a good time
Sounds like a blast, tbqfh.

>>63910161
Yeah alligators are not dangerous out of water. They just kind of hang out and nobody cares. Snakes? Meh. Besides cotton mouths, just don't step on them. A tree climbing bear is a bear that is capable of climbing trees.

Shadow Systems, good, gay, or just another flex on the poors?

>>63910234
Look up all the QC issues they have

>>63910234
>flex on the poors
If you think that's expensive, you too are poor.

>>63910234
Overpriced glock
Why not a nice overpriced HK at that point?

>>63910234
It's definitely gay

>>63910244
To be fair it would be unobtainable to the average High Point haver.

>>63910368
>the average High Point haver
Not if they got a 2nd job.

This beer is pretty good

>>63910573
Yeah that is my favorite beer to have with sushi.

>>63910573
How do you like the COA?

>>63910573
>>63910588

>miller high-life
:(
>miller high-life, Asia
:O

>>63910573
Have you had the sapporo black before?

In the next couple days I'm going to purchase my first handgun, what do I need to know?

>>63910609
Don't get a 320
Get something that is optic ready even if you don't want one now. Optic cut slides are price gouges

>>63910609
get a 9mm from a big brand
if you at least do that, you won’t fuck up too badly

>>63910609
You will probably want a couple spare magazines at least so you can fire 100 bullets without having to reload the mags.
9mm is the perfect do-it-all handgun caliber and anyone who tells you to buy something else is memeing.
Bigger guns are more fun to shoot but less fun to carry. A full size Glock fully loaded is around 35 ounces and that is pretty much as heavy as you want to go if you are carrying it around all day every day.
Invest in a good holster.

>>63910588
I could see that being a great pairing
>>63910597
I like how tall it is, battery swaps are easy, came zeroed perfectly, optic glass is great, bad thing is that I miss that there was more of a bezel
>>63910603
kek
>>63910608
no, I haven't

>>63910634
lel, why in the world do you want more bezel?

>>63910609
you should get this cool astra, you can probably send an offer for 300 and get it.

>>63910234
its a way to flex your retardation and only impresses other idiots. the people who recognize what it is will be disgusted or a fellow retard who fell for it.

>>63910368
barely anyone buys hipoints anymore.

Got some Buffalo Bore +p for hunting for this bad boy.

>>63910646
True, unfortunately. It’s hard to compete on price point against brazil and turkey and the philipppines

>>63909486
God damn

Where can I get a frame like this for a 7in long slide?

>>63910618
>>63910621
Getting a CZ that is optic ready

>>63909486
small-time 1911 crafters really do be out they mind

>>63910085
Oh, so you did. I apologize for calling you a faggot, kind sir. Knowing that they ship flat, I may order some fun targets from them. I also spend a lot of targets at the range.

>>63910671
Good choice

>>63910664
>>63909598
s e x o

>>63910684
>>63910691
lol, hivemind

>>63910637
Not like optic size versus the window itself, I mean the distance from the glass to the edge of the optic. To help protect the glass. If that didnt make sense Ive had like 8 of those beers

This is my new (to me) handgun.

>>63910697
Ohhh, I got you. You want the glass recessed a bit to protect it, like a watch. Makes sense, I thought you meant thickness of the bezel.

>>63910634
>no, I haven't
It's solid for Japanese piss beer
Keep your eyes out for Hitachino Nest, the XH is really good in particular

>>63910708
Based

>>63910684
I’m putting together a .45 2011, I’m over 1k in and I don’t even have a barrel or a slide, or any internals

>>63910052
>We do not negotiate with bearorists
Anon where did you get such a ridiculous thing?

>>63910723
Staccato makes a 10mm 2011 that is actually reasonably priced all things considered. It's on my bucket list

>>63910869
They still make a 10mm?

Cosaint Arms was very reasonably priced, lots of options, even .357 Sig, but they raised their prices probably due to so much demand.

Are J frames for conceal still a boomer thing?

>>63910723
Thanks, anon. The 941 was always on my bucket list. How are you making a 2011? I was under the impression those things are super finicky with tolerances. I wasn't aware people built them out part by part like an AR.

>>63910900
They are very finicky. If I’m lucky everything will fit together, if not I send my miserable pile of parts to someone to fix it

>Jem Frame. Stainless 5 inch government
>unramped/standard .45 feed ramp, hopefully this will make a 2011 feed .45 easily since I’ve had trouble with ramped barrels and .45 before. A ramped barrel has a shorter feedramp than what a traditional unramped barrel has.
>MJD villain grip module with flush cut for 120mm magazines, I bought the last 4 .45 120mm magazines in existence to go with it
>Nighthawk Custom Trigger Cassette, kind of like a PX4 trigger group, it makes the trigger action of a 1911/2011 drop in

TESTING
YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE

>>63910915
Goshspeed, anon. Keep us posted with a pic or two along the way. Hoping it all works. If it doesn't, do you have a gunsmiff in mind who does this sort of work?

is gunbroker still the best used gun marketplace?

>>63910609
If your getting a 9mm with a higher capacity mag, (16 rounds or up) go ahead and get one of the plastic mag reloading tools… your fingers will thank you if you plan to shoot a large amount of ammo…

>>63910975
It's pretty much the only one worth using unless you have a local forum

>>63910220
all black bears climb trees. have you see pygmy rattle snakes? my point being: Florida is full, fuck off and start in your purple state.

>7 yards
Nice, very impressive. See what I can do at 35 yards with my M9

>>63910220
Alligators can run up to 35 MPH, retard.

>>63910887
some dudes talking about the new 632/432 earlier in thread. I have one of the TI 632s, I'm 33. i like snub nose revolvers, don't like super light 357s. Idk i could be a neo-boomer.

>>63911032
Yeah they can but they usually don't, they usually just chill. Don't fuck with them and you'll be alright

>>63910975
gun.deals is good as an aggregator. lots of mom and pop boomer shops on there that aren't on GB.

>>63910847
>>Bearorists. Fucking kek


Baker targets.
https://bakertargets.com

They do custom ones… min order is 250…. I bought a 250 pack of the bear ones.. about 120$ total after tax and shipping…. As long as it isn’t a crazy amount more I’m tempted to see if they’ll do the “hostage” target, but with a bear holding a hiker… although someone today suggested it be a bear holding a large jar of honey hostage… which would be fucking amazing…. I usually shoot bullseyes though and it’s also really tempting to see if they’ll do a large paper target with as many 6 inch bullseyes as can be fit on it… I usually shoot the 5 in one small square bullseye target, but the middle one on those is bigger than the corners… it would be nice to have some for testing multiple loads at multiple ranges with maybe a label line on each bullseye for the the load data and range…. If I could do 4 wide by 6 tall it would save a lot of wasted paper, and mean I’d use a lot less targets per trip..

>>63910975
imo yes, as a single site. But it's one tool in your arsenal, Proxibid and classified forums like ar15.com are also excellent resources, just not anywhere near as bountiful or diverse. Armslist, GunsAmerica, and GunAuction are toast. GunsInternational is okay but low volume (it's basically just an aggregator for gun shops like Armslist was, but 1/100th the traffic, guns.com also performs this function)

>>63911018
>>63911049
>>63911058
ty guys
also, welcome back bort

>>63910688
No worries.

I end up using a lot of the 5 or 6 on one bullseye targets… as I mentioned here >>63911052 it would be neat to see if they’ll do like a 4x6 spread of 5x5 inch bullseyes…. I’d only have to tape up one target instead of cycling through 4 and it would be good motivation to not fuck up my aiming and walk shots onto the wrong bullseye…

they got all the animals

>>63910634
Gato.

Is it true you can't get USP Elites in WA state? If so, why?

What's the best value/budget 2011? I'm looking at the Springfield Prodigy and would like to avoid Bul Armory. Not necessarily opposed to Tisas either, just never had one before.

>>63911088
>>63911088
>would like to avoid Bul Armory
TAKBIR!

In all honesty, I wouldn't go cheaper than $2000 for a 2011. Unlike a striker, it will break a lot through normal use so quality matters. Prodigy is known to be ass and will cost more in the long run than something like a Staccato or Platypus.

>>63911080
Refer to the flowchart, pretty sure they're WA compliant if they're 10+1 or under

>>63911088
Poodigy is a project gun
Tisas/MACs (same manufacturer) seem very competitive with the prodigy but for less, the MACs are optioned very similarly
Buls are jewish and not real 2011s since they use a different grip frame and magazines

Kimber's 2k11 comes out under 2k and optioned quiet well, shame they're kind of ugly. Ben Stoeger just got one and will be reviewing it (10k round review)

>>63911114
That's what I thought, but an anon linked https://www.guns.com/firearms/p/heckler-koch-usp45?i=387828&avad=211021_c425db555&utm_source=AvantLink&utm_campaign=35987&utm_medium=df_NA
and it says it won't ship to WA state. You can still get Experts and other USPs in the state without a threaded barrel, they come with 10 rounders. Is there no SKU for 10 round Elites? If not, could a dealer just sell it without any mags?

>>63911128
>Is there no SKU for 10 round Elites? If not, could a dealer just sell it without any mags?

There may or may not be 10-round Expert SKU, I dunno but you can definitely get an FFL to layaway the mags in another state. Precise Shooter in Woodinville does it.

>>63911128
Guns.com is a shitty store IMO, well, they completely isolate the buyer and the seller. So you cannot get the seller just not ship the magazines. There is no exceptions to this, it's fucking annoying

I'm actually the reason they added WA to the ban list, I kept trying to buy a gun and telling them to just ship the gun only.

With Gunbroker, some won't sell to WA flat outright due to some WA liability lawsuit thing if you sell a gun to somebody who then commits crimes but many just ship anyway and your FFL will have to deal with the magazines. Some FFLs don't like having to take the liability of the mags, some confiscate them, some will ship them to your friend out of state, you should talk to your FFL.

There are USP Experts that come with 10 round mags only

>>63911148
You mean 10-round Elite SKU? I already know there is one for the Expert. I got one already.

Thank god I stocked up on USP 45 mags before this horrible law went into effect.

>>63911101
Fair enough, I'm normally an HK fag so IDK why I'm so interested in getting a bargain all of a sudden anyway.
>>63911119
I forgot that Kimber might finally be worth looking at again. I have a Ronin 10mm so I know I like the way 1911s shoot generally, renting one might not tell me much more than that. But yeah knowing about longer term ups and downs will be helpful, will see what the reviews say.

>>63909634
>projecting and malding

>>63911032
They're also blind and retarded

>>63911067
Not ALL the animals

>>63909825
It's my favorite gun that I have right now, especially with the +2 mag guts it's turned my USP into a safe queen. Do you have the DA/SA or LEM?

>>63911045
>don't fuck with the gators
Hey, don't tell me what I can and can't do!!

>>63911065
Yeah, the 5 target grids for rifle shooting are my most preferred targets these days, since they allow me to autistically refine my shooting. I noticed that site does custom targets and I was thinking it'd be fun to get some Counter-Strike targets made.

>>63911202
And they taste like fish chicken and haven't evolved one bit in tens of millions of years. How can one creature be so based?

I got a sccy dvg 1. Went through the break in period. Found out sccy went outta business somewhat recently. Got the pistol like a year ago as a starter pistol cheap etc etc. Didn't know much about guns. But been to the range several times with the sccy. Had a few malfunctions from limp wrist shooting. But when I improved grip it stopped. Also one of the mags wouldn't load the last round a few times but after using it more it seemed to stop. Not jammed or something it just the slide had to be pulled one more time it then fired. What would be a better gun? Should I get another 9mm or a 45? Thinking maybe saving like 400 500 to get a glock what do you think? Maybe a Taurus ?

>>63911266
what you intend to do with the gun matters, for 400-500 there is alot of good options new or used

>>63911266
Pretty much any compact-sized 9mm from a major brand will be good. Glock, M&P, PDP, VP9, APX, P10, all of em. Fondle em in the store and buy the one that you like. Get an optics-ready version if you can, just for future-proofing reasons.

If you're price sensitive, Taurus makes pretty okay guns, but I'd sooner get an APX or a P10 or an RXM. Maybe even a Dagger.

>>63910887
You're gonna be a boomer someday you know

>>63911274
Mostly self defense concealed carry on my person or in a bag close by without it drawing too much attention or having to wear something massive to hide it. But not some tiny snappy 380 either tho you know. Just something I can keep at the hip or appendix whatever and use if I really need too.

>>63911279
Alright hell yeah man sounds like good advice. Optics thing makes sense like two years down the road i want a red dot but dont have to buy a entire new slide to do it

>>63911176
Oh and Sig's P211 is promising spec wise, I would never buy a Sig product though

Fusion's Glock2011 thing feels good in the hands too. Ugly. But it seems to be good

Anyone have some nice revolvers like pic related? They are very photogenic.

>>63911413
I was going to spend $1300 on a Python today but I spent it on an AR and accessories/ammo instead. Forgive me /hg/ for I have sinned

>>63911413
While I do like the look of the fancy revolvers, mine are definitely more in the “chunky but effective” category…. On the plus side I don’t have to worry about screwing up nice blueing taking it to the range all the time…

>>63911052
Sweet thx anon
>I’m tempted to see if they’ll do the “hostage” target, but with a bear holding a hiker… although someone today suggested it be a bear holding a large jar of honey hostage… which would be fucking amazing
Please do. I lost fucking sides when I read that. If you do manage to get them printed post pics please

>>63911413
It's not a very expensive or special revolver, but I think the Model 10 is just about perfect.

>>63911052
>the “hostage” target, but with a bear holding a hiker
>perfect headshots on the Hiker

>>63911420
Post build

>>63909973
Isn't Winchester .380 flat nose? The only downside is that it's Winchester.

>>63911413
I love revolvers, but that really seems like a pointless weapon.

>>63911114
Since the average gun owner can't read basic words, let alone a flowchart, I fail to see how they're supposed to understand this.

Guys, is the CZ Shadow 2 a thing in the US?
I'm from Austria and naturally bought a Glock as my first Gun this year. Patriotism and stuff like that.

Anyway: I noticed that every other dude at the range has a Shadow 2. Depending on the version, that shit costs you 1.600 - 2.100 Euros (1.875 - 2.460 Dollars), while my G17 Gen5 MOS was 810 Euros (950 Dollars).

Have you tried the Shadow? What's your opinion? Because I'm guessing it's just marketing.

>>63912033
This is just my opinion, so consider it automatically to be full of shit. That being said, I have shot with several CZ's and I own 75 B model.

I I kinda found Shadow 2 to be... a step backwards. It's not a bad gun by any means, but I somehow got the feeling that it's ...the the model where they overtly started cutting corners or something.

The ergonomics are not as good as previous models. It feels like they wanted to streamline the production to bump up the production numbers, and it shows. There are more angular cuts in the handle in particular. The older models feel better in your hands. Just compare it to something like CZ SP-01 and you see that SP-01 even looks more polished. More user-centered, rather than production centered. Or something.

Shadows (especially shadow 2) is made for efficient production on the expense of user experience and ergonomics. It's made as a "cash cow" model. And it apparently worked for the company, as they have been selling them to everyone and their mothers. But personally, I just preferred the older models. They feel better in your hand.

Again, just my opinion.

Fucc it here we go

Twmest

>>63912033
The Shadow 2 is a competition gun. This means that it's easy AF to shoot. What makes it easy to shoot?
>steel frame reduces recoil and muzzle flip
>full size is easy to hold and grip with your support hand
>hammer-fired means it has a nicer trigger with lots of room for refinement via gunsmithing
>longish barrel allows for good ballistics
>good capacity magazines
>the most popular competition gun means it has loads of aftermarket support

If you live in a country where the number of guns you're allowed to own is restricted, then I could see a Shadow 2 being a popular choice. However, Glocks are solid, dependable duty guns with tons of benefits too. You really can't go wrong buying a Glock as your first gun and learning to shoot on it.

If you git gud with your Glock, the day you try out something like a Shadow 2, you'll have enough experience and fundamental skill to recognize all of its performance benefits in a purely target shooting setting.

>>63912033
Austrian too
mostly Sportschützen have them but not the common pleb who just want to have a pistol and git gud I would say
are are you in a Sportschützenverein or IPSC oriented range?

>>63912221
Old
Why don't you go download some recent vids from wpd and convert those to webm for us?

>>63912211
It's a Verein with simple ranges for static shooting.

>one day get really tight groups
>next day cant get a nice group to save my life
what the fug. why cant i get any consistency in my shooting...

>>63912257
>be anon |:
>be tight <:
>blow a bunch of loads <<:
>be loose now :<
K E G E L S
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G
L
S

In all seriousness though, do you dry fire practice rice at home? Do you have a consistent grip and trigger pull? Do you understand all the mechanics that go into pistol shooting? Or do you just haphazardly blast away each trip? Yes to all the initial questions, then how much time is between range visits? It'd could be that your muscles are just tired. If yes to that last question, the learn to shoot and practice dry fires at home.

>>63912033
>Glocks are overpriced af in the country they were invented in
grim

>>63911718
Thats probably the best option for training then besides getting ammo Inc's sketchy hollowpoints.

I have a tp9sf for like 5 years but never used it at a range ever.
Its been in two pieces for years in my safe. It looks like one part is getting rusty and I kinda wanna clean it and take care of it and take it a range eventually this weekend. Is there any guides of anything I should watch to make sure there's nothing missing from it on accident or anything?

>>63912313
>Not storing it submerged in non detergent motor oil
Ngmi
Might as well pawn it

In a "match" chamber, how much difference does 0.001" in bullet diameter make?

>>63909443 (OP)
Is there an infograph or chart of all modern S&W revolvers? All I know is that the ones that start with a 6 are stainless steel.

There are a few charts one can find in an image search, but they're not comprehensive and some good ones lack images. All I have is this for reference https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson

>>63912406
It makes a out a thousandth of an inch difference

>>63912505
yeah

>>63912033
It's one of the most popular competition guns. They're very comfortable in my hands compared to most other guns. Being steel and with a decent single action, they're very easy to shoot fast. Their safeties and double action suck though.

>>63912422
do you ccw this or no?

>>63910649
Nice! I keep wanting to try the buffalo bore 45lc vs 454 casull. Do you have the 45 acp conversion cylinder for that Blackhawk?

>>63911032
>retard
WHAT PART OF OUTSIDE A BODY OF WATER GATORS ARE HARMLESS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU FUCKING WINDOW LICKER. A BEAR WILL ATTACK YOU FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CONTROL THEN WHEN YOU TRY AND WADDLE YOUR FAT ASS UP A TREE IT CAN CLIMB IT YOU ILLITERATE CLOWN. I HOPE YOU SQUAT TO TAKE A SHIT ONE DAY AND A COW KILLER STINGS YOU RIGHT ON THE TAINT

>>63911026
> Florida is full, fuck off
I have lived here my whole life and am probably old enough to be your daddy. In fact, there is a non-improbable chance I am. On a scale of one to ten, how big of a whore is your mother? The only snake that is aggro is a Cotten mouth. If you get bit by a rattle snake you deserve it for being an idiot who should have stayed inside.

>>63912803
Based southeastern wisdom holder

>>63909936
I don’t normally like Berettas but yours looks decent

>>63910027
You’re being a bit hyperbolic but I get your general sentiment. The biggest issue would be during that “oh shit” moment you somehow forget to flick the manual safety off

>>63910110
That’s antisemetic

I need to take some photos of my P to post here

>>63913167
P what?

PX4?
P22X?
P10?
STACCATO P BUILT FOR HEROES (thank you for your service)?

>>63912763
Yeah.

>>63912764
Not for this one, but I have another .45 Blackhawk with the ACP cylinder. I was given to understand that you shouldn't mix and match cylinders

>>63913351
Yeah, they’re timed for the frame they come with so they might not line up perfectly with a different frame. If I remember correctly if you take the cylinder out I think they’re stamped on the inside end and both cylinders should have the same stamping for the conversion frame they were timed for.

Also… 2 blackhawks, color me jealous. I’ve got one in 357, keep wanting to pick up another but the time hasn’t been right… if I find a 30 carbine one at the right price though….

should I mill my 19x, 17 or 34? I have a red dot on my RXM but I unironically have more fun with irons, it feels more technical and difficult for only a minor tradeoff in speed at my skill level
I wanna get into uspsa and everyone says that production is dead but I wanna shoot production

I've never had a pistol with G10 grips. I know they won't be grippy like rubber but are they significantly grippier than regular plastic grips?
I have a blowback 380 which is just a little too snappy for the plastic factory grips.

>>63913552
depends on the grips themselves. its possible for them to be super grippy if they cut the serrations/diamond pattern to be like that. its also possible they hit it with sandpaper to make it not annoying to hold and not chew up your shirts. then its the same as plastic.
really depends on how they were cut. potentially they can be significantly gripper than wood or plastic.really depends on how they were cut.
if you got smooth g10 grips they wouldnt be grippier.its not g10 means its grippier by default its all on how they cut the checkering.

>>63913552
they are about the strength of aluminum, so sharp cut G10 grips are very grippy

>>63913525
Where I live, CO gets about 25 shooters every match, Production gets about 4.

>>63913552
I got G10 grips for my 92FS and it changed my life

I'm going to a rental range soon to evaluate a variety of pistols as a CCW. I want to take consistent notes across all of them to compare afterwards. Right now, my categories for comment are
>DA trigger
>SA trigger
>manual of arms
>sights
>areas for improvement
>ergonomics
>ease of disassembly/cleaning
>weight (I'm bringing a baking scale with me)
>optics compatibility
>vibes
Anything else I should be thinking about?

>>63913981
Maybe how harsh the recoil feels, subjectively? Also, accuracy/precision/ease of shooting tight groups.
I know you said "vibes", but really, aesthetics matter a ton. If you don't think the gun is cool, then you're not gonna like it, even if it performs well enough.

>>63913981
Langdon Tactical PX4 Compact (best DA/SA trigger available in a compact IMO)
HK poop30sk, the two that I know who had them both sold them. One switched to the PX4 and the other went back to carrying a HK45
Shadow 2 CARRY (not the compact, compact is steel while the carry is aluminum, the compact has a safety while the carry is decocker)

The PX4 I can fully strip to armorer level in a minute (due to the trigger pack being a cassette). Ergos leave some to be desired but I actually like the grip.

>>63914033
Berettatroons are the worst posters itt

I'll be back, you can't ban me

>>63914105
Why don't you kys? No guns, just mental illness and drug addiction

>>63914110
>Says the moldy softcore coomrag spammer
You're a complete subhuman

>lots of gen 5 police trade ins for cheap
>gen 5 trade ins significantly cheaper than the gen 3 and 4's of just a few years back

what is wrong with gen 5's. are the internal changes actually inferior, or are the gen 3 supremacists retarded?

>>63914159
Not him, but he has guns, unlike you.

>>63914162
You've already tricked me into posting guns, you Hebrew. I'll be damned if I let you see anything more. You don't deserve to see my deagle cuz you're a fgt, and same goes for my other gud shit. You only get to see the garbage.

LOL

>>63914161
I think i know the answer, but tranny jannies would ban me and delete comment if i said it, so i wont

>>63914183
Lol weed, imao

>>63913981
the p2000sk is worth taking a look at. I ordered XS night sights for it, and another anon recommended a streamlight that will fit. I like carrying DA/SA, although I need to improve shooting in DA. As far as concealability goes, I think concealing thickness is easier than grip length. The g26 > g43x anons may have been onto something, even though I have a 43x as well. I don't have experience with the px4 but some anons seem to love theirs. P30sk is another option here, albeit less popular

>>63914161
There is nothing wrong with the Gen 5, they’re superior to the Gen 3 in nearly every metric, that metric being parts compatibility since most clones and aftermarket are based on Gen 3 guns due to California. What the other poster, a illegal immigrant (student visa, flunked out of school due to drug addiction) is talking about is that most “Glock switches” on the market are made for the Gen 3, the Gen 5 updated the design trying to prevent them from being used, which people have designed Gen 5 versions.

>>63910055
Modern high speed transmissions are more fuel efficient than manuals. Literally no reason to drive a manual these days other than being a contrarian faggot or a (Euro)poor. That being said no safety>safety on a carry gun.

is the Glock performance trigger worth getting? would be replacing my stock Glock 45 I use for competitions

>>63914289
>there is no reason to drive a manual

manual reliability can't be beat (unless it's made in china)

>>63914172
Stupid faggot lol. You know what we all do when we see your posts right?

>>63914289
>Literally no reason to drive a manual these days
Theft deterrence.

>>63914321
Not really just get a ghost connector.

>>63914321
Supposedly the first Gen ones were flawed and would start feeling gummy after a few hundred rounds, but the new ones are coated to prevent this from happening and are actually quite good. YMMV, the internet is still waiting for the verdict to be out in the new ones.

>>63910649
>>63912764
Not that anyone cares, but I did some chronograph testing with my Blackhawks: the 7 1/2" barrel vs the 4 5/8". The ammo was the Buffalo Bore +P .45 Colt with a 225 Gr projectile.
I was surprised that the extra 3" of barrel barely increased the velocity at all, well within the variance of one round to the next. Also, the purpose of this beside comparing the barrel lengths was to confirm that it would be Colorado legal for big game out of my guns, which it is.

>>63914321
Get a Timney for competition

>>63914362
That actually kinda jibes with the data on ballisticsbytheinch. If you look at their .45 super data (I know you're shooting .45 LC, but their .45 LC loadings are nowhere near as energetic as your buffalo bore +P), they only show a difference of 50 fps from 5 inches to 7 inches.

Also, that's fucking nutso velocity for a 225 gr projectile, you're a maniac.

>>63914161
Less aftermarket, but gen 5s are bretty gud. If you find a good deal go for it.

>>63914362
That’s really cool. That would put it below some of mid to hotter 454 casull. But still a step down from the hotter stuff. Not an easy comparison, but pic related is buffalo bores 360 gn 454 casull hunting loads out of my Alaskan with the 2.5 inch barrel…. Averaged around 1100.. my handloaded 454 running the 240 gn xtp mag bullets generally gets to around 1370-1410 depending on how spicy you go with the h110.. again from a 2.5 inch barrel.. I really need to pick up an encore frame and start collecting barrels for testing

>>63914653
Can’t type for shit, meant that would put it above some of the lighter loaded 454

>>63914210
>g26 > g43x

reminder

>>63912289
>dry fire
every now and again. not anything too consistent. is there anything specific i should be doing for dry fire practice?
>consistent grip and trigger pull
trigger pull yes, but maybe not as consistent on the grip? hard to tell, but i think it's decent.
>all the mechanics
arms straight, feet decently spread out, slow/consistent trigger pull.
>time between range visits
sometimes back to back days, sometimes a week or two.

>>63914766
>arms straight, feet decently spread out, slow/consistent trigger pull.

fudd alert

>>63914816
man, i just shoot guns.

>>63914766
Watch some Ben Stoeger videos on YouTube, or better yet, read some of his books. First and foremost, your grip is everything. Your dominant hand must sit as high up on the gun as possible and your support hand must get good purchase on the available space that's left. Your grip has to be consistent (assuming you figured out how to grip it). Next comes trigger pull. Hard to say anything tailored to you without seeing some targets though. You should be dry firing like 50 to 100 times for in between range trips for every 1 round you fire at the range.

What are my options for SA or SA/DA hammer fired 9mm DS for carry? Preferably something with an alloy or polymer frame. Working with a $600 dollar budget.

>>63914873
>You should be dry firing like 50 to 100 times for in between range trips for every 1 round you fire at the range.
So if I plan to shoot a box at the range every month I should be getting in 2500 to 5000 dry fire reps?

Had a chance to rent a Springfield echelon at my lgs and my got those iron sights are just absolute shit. I was able to hit my shots with an unzeroed red dot and stack them co.lsred to the echelon where I couldn't hit the board side of a barn. Also the slide release was something you'd expect on a compact or micro ccw. Overall atrocious/10

>>63914882
I just threw a large number out there to stress the importance of practice. But if you don't know what you're doing then repetition will only create bad habits. There is tons of stuff on YouTube about pistol shooting fundamentals. Brush up on those and practice dryfiring the things you learn. Then go to the range and see how you shoot. How you shoot will tell you what you need to work on. Repeat the cycle.

>>63914882
To get you started.

https://youtu.be/c4JzgUnPMsg

https://youtu.be/LN4bvv6oNVE

>>63911058
Any experience with the P230/P232? I have my eye on one.

>>63914878
P30SK
PX4 Compact

>>63914878
PX4 Compact

>>63914986
Thank you for the recs. Hopefully my local range has those available for rent.

>>63915020
Are those your pistols? If so are those aftermarket triggers?

>>63914962
I have a P232SL, I fucking hate it, the serrations suck ass and become nearly unusable with all the dirt they attract, and being blowback it is very unpleasant pistol to shoot. And Sig pistol sights suck, they're all combat-sight so if you're used to sighting with other handguns they shoot low. It's also a nightmare to get additional magazines, they're $70+ a piece or you have to do a janky cut to Bersa Thunder mags that'll still stick out from the bottom.

>>63915034
Yes, gray guns flat triggers with Langdon Tactical trigger jobs

>>63915288
I honestly don't know why would someone rage at your Beretta collection. They look really nice

>>63915295
I made fun of him a few years ago for being a drug addict, a loser, and retarded. He holds strong opinions on things he has no experience with

>>63915307
Clearly, literal drug addict schizo

>>63915039
yeah but have you considered how nice it looks?

>>63915363
Yeah. It does look nice, but it's just not really what I'd consider practical compared to currently available alternatives. It's heavy for its size, it's single-stack, it's .380, its trigger is unimpressive and even somewhat slippery. Heel mag release makes reloads slow, though I guess you don't really want to be dropping $70 mags on the ground. It's barely acceptable to carry, it feels awful to shoot, and the heel release is apparently prone to getting some cosmetic rust (not my fault, it was my grandpa's and I got it that way). I'll say it at least cycles reliably and when it's empty I guess I can throw it at someone's head.

>>63913981
The 43x is great. Best carry gun is the one you will shoot and actually carry.

>>63915404
desu I’d be getting it for aesthetic purposes and not practical ones
I have Glocks with red dots and flashlights if I want to carry something practical

>>63915418
If all you're wanting it for is the aesthetics, then you don't really need anyone's input. If you think it looks cool and that's all that matters to you, by all means. Its serrations do still attract dirt like crazy though.

Watching BumbleShitman talk about carrying the Staccato HD P4 as a carry gun.
>grip texture made gun unconcealable because it grabs shirts and irritates his flesh
>when he mounted his optic to it it turns out the screws that come with the optic are too short so the gun threw the optic in his face
>the series 80 FPB is hooked to the optic plate so when the optic was thrown at him he lost his FPB and staccato doesn't cover this in the warranty
>sometimes the safety gets turned off randomly which is bad because there is no grip safety
>pauses to shill tactical fanny pack that will get you marked as le gay man LARP faggot instantly in the wild
>mentions how he has a pistol rest now, the reddit stick is gone

How do you guys feel about carrying a spare mag? I live in a commie state with a 10 rd limit so I've been doing it for a while, but I might stop since its starting to feel too inconvenient.

>>63915453
If you, as a civilian, have to reload in a gun incident, that situation is probably so fucked you're done for.

>>63915426
do you have the wide vertical serrations, or the slanted thin ones?

>>63915453
Always carry a spare mag no matter what anybody says. Even if you cc a full size like a goober always carry a spare.

>>63915426
Such a great take, if you like it and can afford it, hell yeah get it.

>>63915459
This is true, but you're a lot more fucked if you don't have a spare mag

>>63915531
Slanted thins.

>>63915453
Personal opinion, I think carrying a spare mag on anything that holds less than 13+1 is prudent, particularly if you're talking about a belt gun.

An average self defense shooting involves a single attacker and one of two outcomes assuming you have decent shot placement. One, you fire a single round and the attacker stops either because they don't want none or you hit a vitally important spot. This happens around 1/3rd of the time. The other 2/3rds of the time you fire 3-5 reasonably well placed rounds before the attacker stops. Accomplices pursuing an attack either at the same time or after you have handled the first attacker is not the norm, but it does seem to happen with a greater frequency than most would expect. Trailing accomplices are particularly common it seems. If you bother to watch DGU videos in quantity you will note this is hardly an unrealistic situation. A similar outcome in terms of rounds needed to handle a second assailant can be safely assumed. While I think preparing for 3 or more attackers is unlikely enough not to be worthwhile, 2 attackers is common enough to be worthwhile to seriously consider. Handling a reasonable but less than common self defense situation would involve 4-10 reasonably well placed rounds. Add in a bit of padding because shit happens and we reach my personal conclusion. A spare mag makes sense for anything holding less than 13rnds, not so much for those that do.

YMMV etc

>>63915581
tl;dr carry a Glock G45

>>63915578
ah fuck, that's the one i'm looking at

>>63915633
You can see it even in that pic, anon, the gunk accumulation. It's not unworkable, but you do have to kinda baby it and brush the dirt out after handling it.

>>63915449
Thanks, I didn't want to have to watch but was curious. That's insanely shitty of Staccato lmao what the fuck. Just a good reminder in the end to always give your optics a good wiggle test before/after the range.

Got a pic of the new rest? That reddit stick was funny, but even better was him unironically scoring pistol groups with that thing. I think he forever cemented himself as a brainlet for that one. He's gonna have to post a pretty damn good GPA to turn things around at this point.

>grip texture made gun unconcealable because it grabs shirts and irritates his flesh
Fat, and skill issue.
>sometimes the safety gets turned off randomly which is bad because there is no grip safety
Fat.

Imagine if there was an easy way to make your gear work better for you and actually saves you money. Oh right, just eat less.

>>63915288
Is it still easy to source stainless small parts for a ghost inox 92fs build? Or would you say it's just easier to go for NP3 parts instead? Can you get an NP3ed takedown button/mag release/rear sight/takedown pin?

>>63915651
The easiest way to source inox parts is gunbroker “beretta repair” kits, gun busters take in police confiscated guns and other buy back guns and part them out. The hardest parts to source is the take down pin and trigger pin.

The NP3 kit from LTT is good since it comes with a decocker kit and also the LTT trigger job, 450 bucks is steep but it has every single part, a trigger job, and decocker conversion. It also has a locking block which is said to make the action slicker, since it’s the main moving part. Every single part except the extractor actually.

>>63915670
The gun on the right is the NP3 kit and the one on the left is real “inox” parts

>>63915678
Thanks, looks like the NP3 is what I want

>>63915701
You should find an inox extractor to complete it too, since the NP3 kit strangely enough is missing the extractor.

>>63912292
The same happens in my country, It's cheaper to buy a gun in the US than near the factory in my city.

Scale economics and shit, you americans are really lucky, I would exchange my healthcare, free education and retirement pension just to buy a 9mm box for $15.

>>63909486
looks sweet. That curved line down on the slide on machined slide never matches the frame

>>63915288
>px4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zxNvq7ZgKjA
hahahahahaha

>>63915837
JaredAF is a faggot, not watching that video

>>63915837
>shorts
Fuck out of here zoomer twat.

>>63909443 (OP)
I like my CZ 2075 Rami. Are there any other small metal framed handguns out there that haven't been discontinued?
>polymer is just as good or bett-
I want metal

>>63915881
DWX compact

is this group good i shot it at 10 yards with a 1911

>>63909443 (OP)
Advice on how to aim and shoot better with handguns? I swear I can shoot decent groups... just not quite where I thought I was aiming on the target

>>63916254
Nice group, get a secrid wallet though

>>63916282
i've had it for years i'd feel weird getting another one until it breaks

>>63915758
>free

lmao.

I know about half of you here have a PX4. I have a compact and want to get one of those compensators for it, but I swear I saw a ton of negative comments (none on it now) on the creator's YouTube video. Can anyone give me their personal thoughts? Preferably if you also have a compact, but I'll take full-size as well. Also would the comp somehow prevent you from holstering it in a phlster? It's my current holster.

>>63915650
>>grip texture made gun unconcealable because it grabs shirts and irritates his flesh
>Fat, and skill issue.
That's a cope
>sometimes the safety gets turned off randomly which is bad because there is no grip safety
>Fat.
That's not only another cope but a hand waiving of a safety issue. You're a faggot that talks and shits out of the same orifice

>>63916449
The compensators have a ton iterative changes done to them, I don’t think they’re that effective anyway. If you are going to get one, they impact holster selection, the light bearing ones are easier to find holsters for. The non lightbearing ones are kind of a after thought, the lightbearing ones have better attachment methods

The rail models I couldn’t get good fit with and they blow too much out the sides. Any increase in recoil reduction would be countered by the increase of muzzle blast to the face which would disorient me. I was shooting Winchester Service Grade which is one of the hottest 9mm range loads available

>>63916254
Top 1% of /k/ and probably still top 1% of /hg/ based on other "groups" I've seen posted here.

>>63916254
>I hItTeD dA bUlLsEyEs
>Is DaT oTaYyYy ?? ?

Someone buy this, fags don't ship to Illinois

bought my first handgun 2 months or so ago. .22wmr is my favorite round to shoot. im still learning how to zero it so i can eventually hunt small game with it.

>>63917134
NTA but I really can't realistically judge myself on handgun accuracy

New gat queers say something nice about it
>inb4 shitty trigger

>>63917734
I wish theyd stick with bronze and tan instead of doodoo feces green-brown. The tan SCAR is kino, this looks like what youd find in the toilet at a gas station.

>>63917734
I wish you got the black one, black with a gold pvd’d barrel, or maybe silver slide and black barrel with black comp would be kino

>>63917734
I know it's not quite in the same class as the 509c, but how has nobody here bought a reflex yet? I still haven't dropped an optic on this thing yet because I don't know if I want to replace it.

>>63917734
Neat new gun, anon, just be sure to return it the the factory for inspection every 2000 rounds. Wouldn't want to void your "warranty" by not doing that!

>>63917761
The Reflex, while a fantastic song by Duran Duran, is not a beloved firearm

>>63917761
I was looking at one before I settled in the 509c. It just didn’t offer anything over my g3 glock 26 besides an optic mounting system and tiny rain. It just seemed like a cheaper version of the 509c so I went with that instead

>>63917734
Luv me FNS9c, simple as
>inb4 someone posts the Dunning-Kruger pistol chart

>>63915837
>if you shoot like a complete faggot, it will fail XD lel updooted
Stop shooting guns like a retarded cock sucker.

>>63917944
It’s likely that the faggot in the video is the one posting the video. I’ve seen a YouTube comment of his on some unrelated video and it reads 1:1 like a hg post describing the superiority of hammer down DA/SA carry, lube said he lurks brg so he likely lurks here.

Why would I ever watch a YouTuber who is regurgitating what I fucking say?

Took the P365 to the range today, the front sight post is sliding all the way over to the right after a few rounds. I assume the dovetail joint is not machined well, or the sight itself is slightly too thin at the base.

Anyone else had this happen?

>>63915837
Lol, by letting the gun swing back, you're literally messing with the base function of how the slide reciprocates. If you're so worried about it, you could just underspring the shit out of all your guns like a retard and batter them apart

>>63918052
You’ve been sigged by
You’ve been sigged by
A smooth criminal

Either one or the other, you won’t be able to tell without a new sight to compare. You can fix it with loctite in the sight dovetail and also “staking” the front sight with a sharp flat bladed screwdriver and a mallet.

>>63918052
if you're lucky, it's the sight, but typically when this happens it's the dovetail being machined wonkily
you could peen the shit out of the sight to get it to stay in place, but i'd send it back

>>63918069
I wish I could just CC my 1911. Why is everything new so poorly built?

>>63918084
Why can’t you cc your 1911

>>63918084
I do. Shoulder holster is your fren. It makes you look like a total badass too. Only if you're in shape and have wide shoulders tho

>>63918084
>Why is everything new so poorly built?
Do you not carry it due to reliability concerns?

>>63918084
If that one guy can CC a mark 23, I'm sure you can conceal carry probably the only handgun platform in the world that has an aftermarket that can rival Glock

>>63917944
>>63918055
>hurr durr you're not holding it right
your gun malfunctioned

>>63909443 (OP)
G19 gen 5 MOS or PDP...I can't decide which to buy. I'm looking for a general, all purpose pistol.

>>63918362
the g19 is the obvious choice desu

>>63918370
It's not even a cool looking gun I just don't get it

>>63918362
You really can't go wrong with either. I don't know how much experience you have with handguns or firearms in general but both are exemplary firearms. I would find a public indoor range and fire 100 rounds through each of them to find out which one you enjoy more. No matter what you choose, theres no wrong choice

bring back mouse guns

>>63918370
Man, I hate that there's all this stigma over the P320. I really like my M18.

>>63910234

I have one with a holosun dot. I like it, 2500rds with no problems. Only thing ive heard is to switch the mag release with a glock one to use oem mags without undue wear.
Oh and replace the connector with a lighter one.
Anyways though thats all i did and now it makes shooting fucking boring i can stack rpunds oht at 10 yards and can slam a four inch circle out to 25. So boring i started fucking with cowboy guns and old milsurp.
However i will admit to getting the gun for the same price as a regular glock and going into the whole ordeal with the mindset of it being a low cost proof of concept for dot sighted handguns.

>>63918433
We made your kind obsolete in the 1970s

>be me
>go to range
>point gun at target
>pull trigger
>bang.wav
>hole appears in paper
>mfw
Thank you, gun.

>>63918356
>trolling retard doubles down on his retardation
Ok, faggot, thanks.

>>63918471
Someone already did this one like a few days ago

>>63918433
it would be nice if someone remade the baby browning but with an actually trustworthy safety.

>>63918356
You literally need to hold the gun and aim it for proper use, so Yes

>>63918471
yeah buddy!

>>63918571
>pretending he doesn't know what failure to feed, failure to cycle, and failure to extract are
missing due to improper aim isn't a gun malfunction tard

>>63918666
dude weed lmao
also
>satan

I swear retards will reply to anything lmao

>>63918677
u wot m8

>>63918677
It’s highly likely the guy in the video is the one posting, he’s a faggot

>>63918760
your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned, your gun malfunctioned,

>>63918427
Shot plenty of Glocks but only dry fired the PDP in store. Glock is the more practical choice but ergos and trigger on the PDP have me leaning that way.

>>63918986
>Glock is the more practical choice
>Glonk
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zxNvq7ZgKjA
hahahahahahahaha

>>63918069
>>63918052
SAMEFAG
A
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F
A
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It's really sad that the anti-Sig schizo has to start so many posts just to try to get some attention.
Poor little fella.

I do pretty decent at 15 yards with my Canik.

>>63910052
>>63910075
>What percentage of the general bear population are black bears? Are they violent as their human counterparts?
Around here they are only 13% of the population but account for 52% of violent incidences.

>>63918994
It is the more practical choice. Cheaper, way bigger aftermarket, mag availability.

>>63919023
Kek, nice

>>63909443 (OP)
is the hk 45 a good gun? what should i know. i bought one

>>63919045
that one eli fellow seemed to do well with his

>>63919066
>temu book of eli
forgot pic

>>63918468
hell yeah brother

>>63918986
Unironically it depends on the person. I shoot my Glock 19 better than my buddy's PDP but I also have a friend that literally shot the barrel out of his Glock 19 after tens of thousands of rounds and he shoots even better with his new PDP. Honestly, you could even make the choice over whichever one you think is cooler.

>>63919071
Kek

>>63918530
Did you see my reply the other day about sending it in to precision small arms to be serviced? If you're the same anon, the safety should have distinct clicks for both safe and fire.

>3 whole cs40's on gunbroker including a two-tone for cheap
Heads up in case someone wants a great 10mm after a little work. Trying to tell myself I don't need another one.

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