Thread 63911862

https://defensetalks.com/polish-air-force-chief-flies-south-koreas-kf-21-as-bilateral-defense-ties-advance/
>Polish Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Ireneusz Nowak flew South Korea’s KF-21 Boramae fighter jet during an official visit this week, underscoring deepening military and industrial cooperation between Warsaw and Seoul.

>The visit included high-level talks at South Korea’s Air Force Headquarters in Gyeryongdae, where Gen. Nowak met with ROK Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Lee Young-soo. Both commanders expressed a shared commitment to expanding collaboration in areas ranging from airpower development to defense manufacturing and pilot training.

>Poland has rapidly emerged as a key defense partner for South Korea in Europe. In 2022, the two countries signed a landmark agreement for 48 FA-50 light combat aircraft, produced by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI). Twelve of those—designated FA-50GF—are already in service with the Polish Air Force. Deliveries of the remaining 36 FA-50PL variants are ongoing.

>The program forms part of Poland’s broader efforts to modernize its fleet and diversify its defense suppliers amid shifting regional dynamics.

>During his stop at KAI headquarters, Gen. Nowak boarded a KF-21 prototype alongside a company test pilot to assess the aircraft’s handling and performance. The flight marked a rare hands-on evaluation by a foreign military chief and signals growing interest in the Boramae platform, which is expected to enter full-scale production later this decade.

>While no formal procurement discussions have been disclosed, the visit suggests Poland may be open to exploring long-term industrial collaboration beyond the FA-50.

What are the implications of the head of your air force having a test flight aboard a prototype aircraft?

>american vassal plane
there's no getting away from american weapons control + american kill switch - unless you buy Russian

>>63911926
Brown

>>63911862 (OP)
uff all those ugly looking screws... kf-21 is inferior product.

>>63911862 (OP)
The power of K-Pop. Why cant they buy European or American?

>>63911999
Legitimate question, how does the US do it with its planes? Do they just cover the screws or do they use a different method?

>>63911862 (OP)
>fall for the promises of a block 20 FA-50 and discount for armaments
>get no discount and no block 20 upgrade in sight
>left with a bunch of FA-50 we can't even use for LIFT training and VLC
>now we're falling for a gen 4 "fighter" in a fake stealth bodykit with """""future""""" promises of a internal bay update
>oh yeah, even with an internal bay that will never come you'll be left with a exposed TGP because gooks can't into sensor fusion
It's just plain corruption. The KF-21 will never receive the internal bay upgrade, it will never be a true stealth fighter. I would be surprised if it's on the same level of the SU-57 in that field.
>inb4 gook armatard starts screeching about his hurt feelings.

>>63912026
That's where the store the BBCs

>>63912026
flushmount rivets and adhesive bonding

>>63911862 (OP)
Purchase of FA-50 is severely criticized in Poland by by current government. Future deliveries might be even cancelled. I heard they are deciding on purchase of 32 F-15EX, further F-35 or Euro fighter Typhoon.
Korean planes aren't seriously considered today, although if PiS comes back to power this might change.

>>63912028
Why are you foaming over a failed aircraft, Armatard?

>>63911926
brown post

>>63911862 (OP)
another sweeping win for Korean arms and Polish dominance POLSKA GUROM

>>63911926
I put a curse on you and your family and all their family for a hundred generations

>>63912137
>trying to make me seem like armatart because you can't counter any of my points
Lmao. Anything made by Russia is utter and total shit. The SU-57 isn't a stealth plane and neither is the KF-21.

>>63912028
The funny thing is that's it's literally less performing than a F-16 block 70.

>>63912282
So you're Chang or Poo. Either way you're brown.

>>63912298
The proper term to call the bugmen is chink, and they can only copy what Europeans and Americans make (with very limited success. And pajeets can't even manage to build a trainer like the tejas.
Thanks for once again proving you have no argument that can disprove mine so you have to resort to trying to make me be a shitskin. I accept your defeat.

>>63912291
F-16 is almost as expensive as F-35 these days, while KF-21 is literally sold at $88 million per aircraft.
https://defence-blog.com/south-korea-buys-20-more-kf-21-fighter-jets/
>In a press release issued Thursday, KAI announced it signed a 2.39 trillion-won ($1.76 billion) agreement with the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) to build 20 additional KF-21 jets.

>>63912309
>Europeans and Americans
>Europeans
>conveniently trying to glom onto your rival while fawning over their accomplishments
Okay, Pierre.

>>63912314
>KF-21 is literally sold at $88 million per aircraft.
And an F-35 is 89M per unit. So why would someone want to pay that much for something that will never receive the promised upgrades and is inferior in every single metrics than a F-16, let alone a F-35?

>>63911862 (OP)
>KF-21

>>63912321
Not a smelly and arrogant frog, sorry my Nanking seething friend. Also, I already accepted your defeat, no need to further embarass yourself. Just go watch some WMAF porn. I've hear it's your favorite pastime

>>63911926
truke+fbpb

>>63912327
Jesus Christ LMAO. That's some KAAN level of engineering.

>>63911862 (OP)
>All those grills
They don't really understand the concept of stealth, do they?

>>63912322
The f-35 has insanely expansive cost of flying plus maintenance

>>63912343
They obviously don't since It doesn't even have IWB: >>63912327

>>63912322
>LRIP 11
>latest
Things have changed a lot since pandemic...
https://defence-industry.eu/switzerland-challenges-unexpected-1-3-billion-price-hike-in-f-35-fighter-deal-with-u-s/
>Switzerland and the United States have entered diplomatic discussions after a disagreement emerged over the agreed price for 36 F-35A fighter jets. The Swiss government announced on Wednesday that a fixed price had been part of the contract, but U.S. officials later claimed this was a “misunderstanding” and additional costs would apply.

>“A contract is a contract, one should think,” said National Armaments Director Urs Loher at a press briefing in Bern. “But with respect to the purchase of the F-35A, we are now facing a different reality. Despite a set price, Switzerland is confronted” with up to $1.3 billion in unexpected costs, he added.

>Switzerland did not purchase the jets directly from manufacturer Lockheed Martin Corp., but through the U.S. government, which manages pricing negotiations for upcoming production batches. Defence Minister Martin Pfister confirmed that bilateral talks had begun in order to address the dispute.

>The acquisition plan, approved by a narrow margin in a 2020 referendum, outlines the replacement of outdated aircraft in the Swiss Air Force for a cost of 6 billion francs ($7.5 billion). Any increase beyond this cap has already prompted public debate and raised concerns among lawmakers and opposition parties.

That's nearly $250 million per aircraft btw

>>63912322
There is a worry that Americans can block some functions of the planes/armament if they don't agree with a military action.

>>63912344
Not really? Find me a 5th gen jet that has lower operational costs.

>>63912353
>That's nearly $250 million per aircraft btw
Absolutely not, my slant eyed friend. The latest public figure is 112M/u for the Swiss F-35s due to low procurement costs and 83M/u for the Finnish order of 60+. Even when you add in all the infrastructure that is tied in to the F-35 program you never reach a cost of 250M/u.
>https://www.aviacionline.com/f-35-cheaper-than-the-gripen

>>63912368
>s can block some functions of the planes/armament if they don't agree with a military action.
We can't, we can at most stop sharing our own threat database and said country will have to build their own. The myth of a "killswith" is dumb and not based in reality.
If we really did not approve of the action of a F-35 user the quickest form of protest/diplomatic sabotage we could do would be selling them spare parts.

>>63912432
>an article from 2022
Yeah a totally worthy argument against an article from 2025.
>Even when you add in all the infrastructure that is tied in to the F-35 program you never reach a cost of 250M/u.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/various/f-35-costs-were-never-fixed-former-swiss-audit-chief/89591180
>The Swiss government agreed on a CHF6 billion ($7.5 billion) deal for 36 jets, but the US says there was a misunderstanding – citing inflation and material costs as reasons for a potential price increase of up to CHF1.35 billion.
7.35 billion CHF is equivalent to 9.19 billion USD, so 9.19/36=0.255

>>63912458
Cool, explain to me why even in 2025 the price per unit for the finnish order is unchanged from 83M/u?

>>63912458
>decide to buy F-35
>scared that citizens will be against it
>sign contract without finalizing price like everyone else did
Sounds like a Swiss issue to me, Considering almost every other F-35 user had price per unit closer to the finnish final estimate.
And even so, the initial argument was that the gook trainer bodykit was 88M per unit, yet it's not even a direct competitor to the F-35 since it has zero characteristics needed to be considered a 5th gen aircraft. So the F-35 could even cost 500m per unit and it would be still a cheaper 5th gen than something that isn't and will never be.

>>63912492
Because finns had a fixed price contract while switzerland didn't

>>63912504
And that somehow makes all F-35s a 250M/u jet?

>>63912502
>show you the proof
>hmm... I don't want to believe it because I don't like it
Why are you in denial?

>>63912506
The contract is from 2025, so this is the latest price of the aircraft. If you want to disprove it then fetch me a more recent article.

>>63912511
>show you the proof
except you didn't. You tried to claim that all F-35s cost 250 million dollars per unit, then cherrypicked an article from a messy swiss procurement (that still doesn't reach 250M per airframe, not even close) as your "evidence" while every single other procurement shows you are wrong.
Even better, why are we bringing the F-35 into the discussion of the KF-21? the most direct competitor to the KF-21 is the american T-7, some block 50 F-16s or the turkish Hurjet.

>>63912523
>except you didn't
>literally states the price
>still no counter argument or evidence
The absolute state of (You)

>>63912521
>The contract is from 2025
Yes, for the swiss. F-35s are almost always sold at a per unit cost lower than 110M. You know it but you're just so assblasted over being proven wrong that you're trying to claim the swiss procurement (that is yet to be finalized) somehow makes every other F-35 that price.
That would be like saying the Eurofighter is a 560M dollar plane just because of that corrupt Saudi deal.

>>63912531
>keeps running away and doesn't address his lies
I accept your defeat yet again.

>>63912523
He's even ignoring how the price is not for just the airframe but the entire logistic chain, simulators, training, spare parts, armaments etc. There is no arguing against Armatard
>>63912535
stop replying to armatard

>>63912332
>Just go watch some WMAF porn
I mean...

>>63911862 (OP)
what is the point of the KF-21?

>>63912551
F-35 for the poor

>>63912551
maybe it doesn't need codes that the koreans generate and give you daily like the f35 does

>>63912589
But it doens't offer anything the F-35 does? No stealth, no sensor fusion, no supercruise, no networked data fusion, no awacs capability, no multirole capability etc?
>>63912604
>codes that the koreans generate and give you daily like the f35 does
Neither does the F-35, Armatard.

>>63911926
monkey model lol

>>63912625
>But it doens't offer anything the F-35 does?
Sensor fusion is debatable but it's definitely more stealth friendly than other 4.5th gens.

>>63912768
>no internal bay
>no internal targeting pod
No, it's not stealth, comoaring it to another non stealth plane is useless (4.5gen my ass). And it not having sensor fusion isn't debatable, it's a fact.

>>63912828
Nobody called it's 5th gen but the reduced RCS is an advantage. Btw, the semi-recessed launcher concept is actually a direct analog to Eurofighter.

>>63912866
Yes, and they don't claim it to be a stealth fighter like the gooks do.

>>63912875
>stealth fighter like the gooks do.
Did they? Well, KF-21EX is actually 5th gen equivalent, so they're probably referring to it.

>>63912912
>KF-21EX is actually 5th gen equivalent
Except it's not. It's selling a what if that will never become reality, just like the block 20 version of the FA-50.
An internal weapon's bay that will never see the light of day is the least of their worries when it comes to making it stealth.

>>63912458
The swiss order includes a ton of spare engines, radars, training simulators, and munitions.

They're not JUST buying airframes

>>63912041
>Purchase of FA-50 is severely criticized in Poland by by current government
At least the air force is pretty satisfied with them.

>>63912321
This

How did Europeans get psyopped into believing this "killswitch" bullshit so easily by the Russians and Chinese? I thought they were supposed to be smart and able to navigate propaganda, unlike us stupid mutts?

>>63912314
>KF-21 is literally sold at $88 million per aircraft.
Yeah, to the gooks; that's not the export price.

>A Polish delegation headed by Air Force Inspector Maj. Gen. Ireneusz Nowak, which has been in the Republic of Korea since Monday, visited the Korea Aerospace Industries plant in Sacheon on June 26, where, among other things, FA-50 aircraft are manufactured.

>As we can see in the photo from the production hall, the delegation also includes the Commander of the 1st Tactical Air Wing - Brig. Gen. Piotr Iwaszko and the Commander of the 23rd Tactical Air Base - Col. Pil. Adam Kalinowski. In their background you can see the first of the FA-50PL aircraft numbered 5013 at an advanced stage of production. The aircraft is already painted, which means that ahead of it is only the work of retrofitting the last components, functional tests and flight tests. I wrote “only,” but unfortunately the work will most likely be halted due to the integration of new avionics and weapons systems, which are experiencing delays for reasons beyond KAI's control. While the development of software for the mission computer and other avionics components will be time-consuming, the mere assembly of the components on the aircraft and installation of the software will be short-lived processes.

>It is also worth recalling Gen. Nowak's familiarization flight of the KF-21 prototype two-seat version of the aircraft, which was announced on Tuesday and which took place as planned.


ITT: hoes mad

>>63912344
It's comparable to 4th gens when you account honestly and add in all the costs and maintenance costs involved woth keeping the targeting, comms, EW, etc pods 4th gens need just to have 50% the combat effectiveness of an F-35. Which has all those systems 4th gens hang in pods already built in from the start.

>>63912912
the -EX is vaporware

>>63913626
> Finally, the breaking news - FA-50 in Block 20 version will never be built! Well, such nomenclature was never used by the manufacturer, instead the media referred to the new variant of the Fighting Eagle aircraft as such. The manufacturer has chosen the designation FA-50 Block 70 for the versions contracted by Poland, Malaysia and, most recently, the Philippines, referring to the designation of the latest version of the F-16 aircraft.

>>63912353
Oh, it's the same one idiot that always divides the contract price by how many airframes the country is getting....even when that same one idiot is corrected every time it does this, and is told the contract includes the airframes, training models, training sims, replacement engines, munitions, US consultants for maintenance, training, etc. Why do you keep doing this? It just shows that you're not trying to be honest, just seethe about the F-35 by lying as much as possible, hoping people are as stupid as you and don't catch your dishonest mayhs?

>>63912589
How, when it's 60% as capable as an F-35, yet, costs the same - or more, when talking export prices. NOT the price worst Korean AF buys them for compared to export contracts for the F-35. If you're going to use the price SK's AF buys Gook-35s for, you have to compare it to the price the USAF buys F-35As for - well, 8f you're trying to actually be honest and not just shill and seethe about the F-35, that is.

>>63912768
>but it's definitely more stealth friendly than other 4.5th gens
Proofs, you menatally ill, no chin, four-eyed incel freak that got kick out of the US Army for being a mentally ill incel freak?

>>63913562
>At least the air force is pretty satisfied with them.
Hell no. We're left with something we can't use to either police/SMI, can't use it for LIFT, can't use it with the other 23th simulators. It was a shitty deal made with the promise of sales on the tank deals that never came through. It's being regarded as a white elephant in the AF

>>63913766
With gooks you lose. Asians are literally exactly like their jew brothers.

>>63911862 (OP)
>English language writing on South Korean jet
Is this what Anglophone victory looks like?

>>63912434
It's not purely an *American* killswitch thing, the Poles will never single-source their military supply chain and defensive pacts for as long as the 20th century remains in living memory. Unwilling to risk any "ally" selling them out for sake of someone else's idea of the greater good again. It's why they play equipment pokemon, efficiency be damned.

>>63913766
>We're left with something we can't use to either police/SMI
Not surprising considering that the GF variant will be mostly used for training. However the FA-50PL will be used for Air policing
>It's being regarded as a white elephant in the AF
Definitely not since according to gen. Ireneusz Nowak the FA-50GF performed better than both MiG-29 and Su-22 in state trials

>>63913965
>GF variant will be mostly used for training. However the FA-50PL will be used for Air policing
except we'll never get them. They are pure vaporwave
>according to bribe recipient plane performed better than the 60yo planes it's replacing. Please ignore the fact we literally cannot use them for those roles.

>>63913933
Is that why they bought the F-35?

>>63914028
>They are pure vaporwave
Is that you can see one being assembled >>63913626 and polish air force bought TGPs for them?

>>63912026
They also have screws, just puttied over with putty.
That's why maintenance is so fucking expensive with stealth, you have to scrape the putty out of the screws everytime you want to check something behind a maintenance panel and then re-apply the putty.

What do you think "maintenance of stealth coatings" means?

Yeah, fucking putty. Like the shit you smear on your car to fix a dent.
Then paint it over with paint that has iron balls in it.

Decades of ranting about MUH STEALTH and zero clue about what it actually is lmao.

When you see a stealth plane with uncovered screws, the lazy fags just didn't bother smearing putty on it. Very common with prototypes where you flight test them and pop the maintenance hatches every 5 minutes.

>>63914056
The same TGPs we still haven't seen at the 23rd and the same block 20s that you've been promising year after year?

>>63914358
stop saying putty

why buy military equipment from Koreans? they can't even make reliable cars, Kia + Hyundai have a terrible reputation

>>63915026
American cars have shitty reputation too...

>>63913965
>FA-50GF performed better than both MiG-29 and Su-22 in state trials
How? It literally has no missiles it can use.

>>63912768
So Vatnigger plane is stealthier than Gook plane.

>retards posting shitty simulation as proof of something
lmao

makes me laugh at how the F-35 can send thirdies and non-thirdies alike into a frothing rage at the mere implication of it's superiority.

>>63913037
>Except it's not. It's selling a what if that will never become reality, just like the block 20 version of the FA-50.
Okay, then why are they developing an IWB for KF-21 right now?

>>63916194
Because they are not, it's fake just to try and hope to secure any potential clients. They are selling smoke and mirrors.
Had the small dick gooks been abke to deliver on a block 20 upgrade and actual weapon integration FOR A FUCKING TRAINER I would've given you the benefit of the doubt. But now it's just clear that you can't.

>>63911862 (OP)
Why is there the indonesian flag on the plane instead of the polish one?

>>63916330
>it's fake
>literally gov document
>goes on ranting about penis size
https://x.com/fa50_defense/status/1915015955861868752

>>63916488
Yeah, I'm sure a hastily made wordpress document will convince me. Call me back in 20 years when we'll have even more documents saying how the IWB is just around the corner.
also,
>trusting the worst korea government
LMAO, the same government that was being bullied by some ex classmates? Or the one that tried to incite a coup? SK government are so fucked up and corrupted they make Eritrea look like Switzerland.

>>63916525
>Yeah, I'm sure a hastily made wordpress document will convince me.
>trusting the worst korea government
>SK government are so fucked up and corrupted they make Eritrea look like Switzerland
Care to disclose your country of origin real quick?

>>63916557
I'm North Korean.

>>63916591
>I'm North Korean.
Okay, that makes sense now.

>>63911926
buy Gripen or Rafale

>>63916806
>Gripen
Sorry anon, but the Gripen is like 60% US parts. They stopped the transfer of Gripen C/D:s to Ukraine.

>>63914537
you putty that back!

Why are there retards still screaming about non-existent kill switches? Is it browns? Reddit tourists? Both?

>>63913657
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/06/30/south-koreas-kf-21-boramae-fighter-jet-price-jumps-to-110m/
>The KF-21’s $110 million price tag makes it a compelling option in a market dominated by more expensive platforms. France’s Dassault Rafale, under a recent contract with Serbia, costs approximately $225 million per unit, driven by its advanced avionics and multirole versatility. Sweden’s Saab Gripen E/F, considered for Colombia’s air force, carries an estimated price range of $162 million to $243 million, depending on configuration and order size.

>The Lockheed Martin F-35A, which South Korea already operates, was priced at $202.4 million per unit in a 2023 deal for 25 aircraft, excluding weapons. The F-16 Block 70/72 and F/A-18 Super Hornet, while still in production, lack recent export contracts, but their costs typically exceed $120 million per unit for modernized variants. The KF-21’s lower price, combined with its modern systems, positions it as a viable alternative for nations seeking to modernize without the hefty price tag of fifth-generation fighters.

>The F-35, a true fifth-generation fighter, boasts unmatched stealth, sensor fusion, and network-centric warfare capabilities, but its high acquisition and lifecycle costs, estimated at over $400 million per jet over its lifespan, make it unattainable for many countries. The KF-21, while not matching the F-35’s stealth, offers a practical compromise, delivering 80% of a fifth-generation fighter’s capabilities at roughly half the cost, as noted by KAI representatives in a 2023 interview with 19FortyFive.

>>63914358
Digging out RAM isn't expensive, just tedious for the maintainer who has to do it. Airmen are not paid by the hour.

I don't blame them for leaving the prototype unmolested when it's going to be intensively examined.

>>63919021
You just proved him right, gook.

>>63919021
also
>bulgarianmilitary
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>63916806
>Gripen
90% american
>rafale
utterly inferior to anything on the market as we've seen with the pakipoo conflict.

>>63919021
>now costs 110M, up from 70.4M, yet undercuts F-35
Kinda irrelevand since it can't do anything the F-35 can.