Thread 63911879

>The PL-15 is at the very least leveling the playing field and in some cases, posing problems that put the United States at a range disadvantage with AMRAAM,” Bronk adds. Indeed, the appearance of the PL-15 has already contributed to a rush from the U.S. side to push for longer-range AAMs, like the AIM-260 and AIM-174B.
>The PL-15 should also be characterized by the advantages of its AESA seeker, Bronk notes. “Just based on the physics of an AESA seeker versus a mechanically scanned seeker or a fixed PESA-type seeker, it should be higher resolution, more resistant to ECM, and work better in jamming environments.” Beyond that, it likely has a better ability to home in on stealth targets.
>The Chinese, for a long time, were essentially followers and were either customers for Russian weapons or were essentially producing clones of Western systems as best they could, whether that be Python clones, Sidewinder clones, or Sparrow clones,” Bronk continues. “The PL-15 is different, and so it represents a significant maturation of the Chinese industrial and research and development base.” Meanwhile, the PL-15 is just one of several Chinese AAM programs that are looking at very long-range performance in particular. While continuing to develop and improve its AAMs, China is also able to produce them in large quantities.
Why nobody else tried installing AESA seekers onto AAMs before?:
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality

>>63911879 (OP)
>Why nobody else tried installing AESA seekers onto AAMs before?

>>63911879 (OP)
>>63911887
You making a thread about this every single day is some warriortard shit.

>>63911887
Is It in service?

>>63911893
Are you a retarded faggot? It's older than the PL-15.
>AAM-4B – Improved version introduced in 2010 with a Ka band millimetric frequency AESA seeker[4] and 105 km (65 mi) range.[14] The seeker also utilized to the Type 12 surface-to-ship missile. As well as on the ASM-3.

>>63911887
>>63911896
Based Japan mogging chinx as usual.

Implessive

>>63911925
Will the AIM-260 have an AESA seeker?

Can someone explain me the AESA meme? Now even trainers have them and now missiles. I tought AESAs were just better for air to ground.

Another cope thread about the f35.
Chang the Americans have more f35 strike fighters than you have interceptors which can carry air to air standoff missiles; which you only need because your interceptors are manuvour like a garden hose and the f35 can do fucking backflips at low air speed. Your radar can't even work out which direction it's pointing.

China bought the f35 engine specs from the isrealis, but America resigned the engines isreal stole the specs again, China is frantically reprogramming air to air missiles. Nobody is surprised.
This is what China did after isreal sold them the old marine drone specs.

But the issue with the f35 is the carrier variant and its ability to engage ballistic missiles at cruise speed. You can't sent interceptors with air to air, to protect a ballistic missile

>>63911879 (OP)
Which one is better? Pl-15 or R-37M?

>>63912633
R-37 but I think china has some longer range missiles, though they might not be in service yet


>>63912570
its basically just a better radar

>>63911879 (OP)
implessive

>>63911879 (OP)
it being AESA means nothing in and of itself, this article assumes they actually figured out all the issues that make AESA not worse than PESA, if it is not on par with western AESA then it doesn't matter.
also obligatory implessive because it sends chinkshill into a tizzy.

>>63912633
R-37 is russia's equivalent of america strapping modified SM-6 missiles in F/A-18E

It's a stopgap solution. Except that Unlike america who's working on AIM260, Russia basically stuck with R-37M

It might have longer range than PL-15 but PL-15 is more thought out, meaning that PL-15 is harder to counter

>>63912570
Aesa is a newer and usually more high performing type of radar that modern aircraft use. However not all aesa's, just like all other radars are created equal and there can be massive differences in their performance. Some aesa radars can be hard to detect or can perform both air to air and air to ground scanning simultaneously very effectively compared to older radars.

China however is still far behind in terms of quality of their aesa radars despite fielding them fairly widely, with their radars about matching the performance of US and European mechanical radars from the 1990s. They have a long way to go although they've already overtaken russians here.

>>63912863
>China however is still far behind in terms of quality of their aesa radars despite fielding them fairly widely, with their radars about matching the performance of US and European mechanical radars from the 1990s

bullshit

>>63911891
the turdies are desperate now that russia and iran have been knocked out

>>63912633
the rusted mounting point for an exhibit piece should tell you everything.

>>63911879 (OP)
Vely impleassive, vely ching khu lung!

>>63911879 (OP)
I just wish the US made a massive supersonic missile bus instead of stealth fighters
>Fly in with a wing of heavy fighters
>Each fighter dumps a dozen AMRAAMs
>Turn around and immediately flee, outrunning any enemy missiles

>>63913116
Isnt that literally the F-15EX?

>>63913237
yeah but that's not new and wow so cool three engines china numbah wan

>>63912878
Not bullshit, it's fact.
>>63913047
Why do they all go cross-eyed? KEK.

>>63912821
>R-37 is russia's equivalent of america strapping modified SM-6 missiles in F/A-18E

no it isnt

SM-6
>Range: 240km
>Weight: 890kg

R-77
>Range: 400km
>Weight: 510kg

not even close you goofball

>>63914931
cope

>>63914931
>R-77
>>Range: 400km
Did you add another zero by mistake there?

>enter china thread
>ctrl-F implessive
>4 results
I see the mutt NPCs have arrived.

>>63915038
>mutt npc's
there's no mutt npc's here other than you, insecure chinkmutt.

>>63912821
>R-37 is russia's equivalent of america strapping modified SM-6 missiles in F/A-18E

R-37 was never a surface to air missile, meaning that it was never a stopgap hack like SM-6s on F-18.

>>63914983
He's talking about the R-37, and "range" is a stupid term because every missile range is calculated under different conditions.
But I did the back of the napkin math and that range is possible IF the rocket is launched at Mach 2.5-3, bruh, the typical MAX-MAX optimism of russian specs.
>the dV of the missile is ~1km/s not bad but insufficient for that range by its own

>>63915107
yep, it's also completely fucking worthless as all it can do is hit sluggish bombers and old as fuck soviet planes with no modern RWR.
it's extremely sluggish for a missile.

>Several intact PL-15s were found on Indian ground.
>The only claim of shooting down a Rafale came from Pakistan, who also posted ARMA footage as if it were real.
>Even India see it as nothing implessive after examining the wreckage of it
>Closer inspection revealed it to be inferior and nearly useless

>>63915183
rafales were shot down, but nobody but pakistan or maybe jeets have any clue how and pakijeets cannot be taken at their word even if they do explain in detail what they think hit the rafale.
this ambiguity is what chinkshills have been using for the past month or however long it's been since then to shill for their stuff.
there was like an immediate, instant increase in chinkshilling on /k/ when that happened despite the fact that a bunch of failed PL-15's were found and what shot the rafale down never actually became public information.
chinkshills orders from their masters in this particular subject are to call anyone questioning the validity of their claims a pajeet, or intentionally samefagging as a pajeet and vehemently denying anything was shot down to use as a strawman.

>>63915183
>intact
stopped reading there
lmao

>>63912863
> China however is still far behind in terms of quality of their aesa radars despite fielding them fairly widely, with their radars about matching the performance of US and European mechanical radars from the 1990s. They have a long way to go although they've already overtaken russians here.

You don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

>>63912863
I like how the chink replied to you twice just to seethe

>>63912863
China has pioneered modern gallium semiconductors and is on 2nd gen oxide while the US is still on 1st gen nitride dude.

>>63915750
Implessive

>>63915859
post magnets

>>63915860
I just don't understand why the US can't economically compete with Chinese rare earth mines. It must be because the Chinese are so smart and hardworking.

>>63915880
>PFAS
>CFCs
>PCB
>Lead
>99% of obesity
>Salmonella, E.Coli in the food
>still using asbestos
>beef hormones
>60 years old coal plants
Holy shit, Chaina is terrible, oh wait!

>>63915886
seething

>>63915183
>source:

>>63915886
>Chaina is terrible
Well, you said it, not me.

>>63911879 (OP)
Lmao a mere missile managed to buck break the entire indian subcontinent it made them crazy with copiun

>>63915886
>>60 years old coal plants
Truly shameful.

>>63915911
>Someone points out there isn't any direct evidence for the claim that a PL-15 was responsible for downing a Rafale
>Wumao suddenly feels the need to spell out that he isn't actually mad and that it is someone other than him who is coping.

>>63915750
There hasn't been a single thing china has pioneered in 500 years.

>>63915974
New and interesting ways to starve yourself

>>63915915
>smelting the american dream

>>63916000
Aww, someone's not so proud of China's rare earth dominance all of a sudden. Did those three pictures hurt your Chinese feelings?

>>63915974
They've done things with academic research fraud that most would have said couldn't be done, but China found a way.

>>63916026
louisiana needs more anthracite, keep digging

>>63911879 (OP)
Fortunately, the USAF has completed their servicing of Sec Hegseth, so after further deliberations, the FA-XX has been cut, the Navy budget reallocated to the USAF, which has a woeful 5+ 5th gen fighters compared to the Navy's mighty fleet of several 1970s 4th gens which lost the LWF competion. No, all funding for hardened shelters was cut and it's antisemitic to mention that.

The kneepads which made this mighty victory possible will be placed in a niche of honor at the USAFA

>>63915974
>>63915988
>>63916034
From whom did them copy the J-36 from?

Curious that OP ignored the fact that Japan fielded a better missile almost a decade before the chinx.

>>63916178
Has it been combat tested yet?

>>63916187
Ask your mom.

>>63915974
Flexible stealthy control surface hinges, fluid thrust vectoring, HALE drones, multimode seekers ... long list.

>>63916154
It's just a Su-34 bodykit bro, don't you see it has 2 wheels per landing gear? Don't worry about it.

>>63916154
the elements they used in this shrinkwrap?
the US.
>>63915750
buzzword and completely meaningless as has been explained to you in numerous different chinkshill threads.

>>63916199
>chinese dress
>korean
The fact that most of the comfort women were in fact Japanese kinda disregards your picture.

>>63916289
None of those decade old technologies have had a chinese involved in their development. Chinese military drones are notoriously unreliable and underperforming and have failed every country that bought them.

>>63916289
>HALE drones, multimode seekers
Both mature technologies long before China came on the scene. The NASA Pathfinder first flew in 1993, the Global Hawk entered USAF service in 2001, and the RAF was using multimode Brimstone IIs in combat in 2008.
>fluid thrust vectoring
Not as mature, but NASA was openly publishing research papers about the concept at least as far back as 1970 and they built a static test engine in 1987. Whatever 'innovation' China is doing is built on decades of freely-available NASA research extending right up until the present day.
>Flexible stealthy control surface hinges
Ah, "muh J-50 prototype". But this shit was being flogged at trade shows ten years ago (picrel), one of the first google results is a NASA paper about it published in 1976, and if you want to get technical about it, the concept is literally as old as the airplane itself (the Wright Flyer used wing-warping)

>>63916187
Yes, they used it to shoot a King Ghidora spawn.

>>63918412
>Both mature technologies long before China came on the scene. The NASA Pathfinder first flew in 1993, the Global Hawk entered USAF service in 2001, and the RAF was using multimode Brimstone IIs in combat in 2008.
Don't forget the fact that Iran was able to get their hands on an RQ-170 wreck years before China debuted any of their HALE drones.

>>63913116
>Fly in with a wing of heavy fighters
>Get shot down because you've got no stealth wing to screen your movements

>>63911879 (OP)
because those missiles use X or Ku band with small antennas and giving them AESA seekers costs a lot for very limited benefits
it makes more sense for SM-6 or PAC-2 sized missiles

>>63921429
How come the chinks and Japs can afford them?

>>63921530
>How come the chinks and Japs can afford them?
AESA radars are nothing more than 5g antennas.

>>63913030
the rust makes it more rustic

>>63921547
Yes and no, part of the 5G specification is MIMO antennas and spectrum restrictions but they don't need the kind of accuracy, sensitivity, power, band (X/Ku/K) and the strong signal rejection of radars.
It's like comparing a bitcoin miner with a GPU.

>>63911879 (OP)
Why can't white dogs make aesa radar missiles? It's a solved problem by now.

>say chink/spic/nigga
>nothing happens
>say m-word
>comment deleted
Uh oh, mutt jannies malding. Hey mutt jannies. Delete this comment if you're coping and seething.

>>63921691
>ban evades to seethe
kek

>>63911879 (OP)
Uh, white dog jannies. You missed a spot. I can still see racist comments. Is your mutt brain too dumb to do such an easy job? You a short bus alumni, yeah?

>>63911879 (OP)
>The PL-15 is at the very least leveling the playing field
If that is what a mutt general will admit publicly, imagine how good the pl-15 and pl-17 really is. Chang is coming the eat the white dog.

>>63924958
Taiwan invasion any day now!

>>63924958
>he's STILL SEETHING
either that or someone pretending to be retarded

Chinese radar technology isn't very good, it's commercially viable but nobody takes it seriously. Chinese don't really grasp sigredux or Emissions control for some odd reason.
Been tracking Chineee emissions since 2009, it's easy, fun and the database is juiced.