Thread 63912671

Pistol optics have become extremely normalized. Most new pistols come with optics plates standard, and more and more cops carry them on the job.

What's the next big thing that you think will sweep the handgun market, /k/?

>Pistol optics have become extremely normalized
Then why do I constantly see people here sobbing over their existence

>>63912683
No idea. Here's a cool survey I just found

https://www.police1.com/police-products/tactical/optics/the-verdict-on-pistol-red-dot-sights-in-law-enforcement-insights-from-a-5-year-survey\

https://www.policemag.com/weapons/article/15739773/the-police-pistol-optics-survey


> Our survey of working officers shows that police have embraced handgun optics with great enthusiasm. Of the officers who completed our entire survey, 77% said their agencies allow them to use handgun optics on duty. Out of that same respondent population, 76% said they were using optics on either their duty weapons or duty backup guns.

> Officers were also asked if they use optics on their off-duty handguns. Their answers show that optics are not as popular for concealed carry off duty, as the majority of respondents—some 63%—say they do not use optics on their off-duty pistols.

>>63912683
impotent shrieking from terminally online contrarians doesn't count as normal discourse anon

>>63912671 (OP)
Hopefully paddle magazine releases. Just start putting them on every pistol whether people like it or not.

>>63912671 (OP)
>Lights get smaller and smaller while staying around 1k lumens, become more popular for IWB
>Compensators eventually becoming more common in duty guns
>Guns designed around optics instead of as an afterthought
>>63912683
/K/ is filled with contrarians and coping poorfags. Always has been, always will be.

>>63912683
Idk about their existence, but the current standards of mounting are ripe for criticism. You could compare it to mounting an optic to an AK dust cover, but its worse than that; its more like taking an AK dust cover off and mounting the optic directly to the moving bolt carrier. One day we will see a return to the solid optic mounting surfaces that were popular before pistol red dots, like those side mounts for competition 1911s you don't really see anymore, or perhaps a normalization of enclosed slides like on the Alien; and people will look back on today and wonder why the fuck this shit was considered acceptable.

>>63912705
/k/ is filled with noguns and war tourists

>>63912683
Because /k/ isn't real life and most people don't make make hating anything more than a $300 airweight .38 for a carry piece a core part of their personality.

>>63912703
I have a USP and I quite like the paddle after I got used to it, I agree. Takes positive motion to engage but I also don't need to break my grip.

>>63912705
>Compensators eventually becoming more common in duty guns

I was thinking this too, S&W is leading the way on this already

>>63912714
I had this idea a while back, and I think it could work with more though put into it so it doesn't screw up the ergos.

>>63912715
>>63912714
Case in point

>>63912714
You have to have zero experience with pistol optics to think that slide-mounted optics suffer any practical accuracy deviation in regards to what pistols are meant to do.

>>63912705
> >Compensators eventually becoming more common in duty guns

I wonder why they aren’t more common for guns that need to be worn, but not concealed. There are fewer constraints on gun design for this type of use/carrying case. It’s not a problem to add an extra inch to your open carry gun.

>>63912728
>It’s not a problem to add an extra inch to your open carry gun.
it's not even an inch really, you can get effective comps that manage to be shorter than that

>>63912671 (OP)
>What's the next big thing that you think will sweep the handgun market
It wouldn't happen because gun manufacturers are lazy boomers.
But. Considering widespread of handgun optics, handguns need non reciprocating frames for optics mounting.

>>63912724
Why not place the optic at the front of the gun (other than holstering concerns, but I’m sure a solution can be found). This way you can cut the front 1/4 of the slide off and replace it with an optic mount affixed to the frame. In theory it should actually be easier to use with the dot remaining in the optic window longer when you move the gun around, before it disappears off to the side.

>>63912734
>that picture

If you’re adding an inch with your light anyways, you mightaswell use a comp that comes up to the same length. Zero downsides.

>super short comps
But are they even useful? A comp that short can only strip off a tiny portion of the gas behind the bullet to redirect upwards. The rest of it follows the bullet out the front.

>>63912727
Dr Roberts (yeah that Roberts) who made his study and report about handguns optics found otherwise.
All competition shooters found otherwise, nobody is using reciprocating red dots if rules permit stationary red dots.
Go be lazy somewhere else.

>>63912748
I literally shoot USPSA you noguns faggot, frame mounting can be nifty in Open Div but the benefits aren't that great if you actually shoot worth a shit and practice basic recoil control and sight acquisition, but the time spreads between Open and everyone else usually aren't that meaningful and it sure as shit isn't worth the tradeoffs on a carry piece. Fuck outta here.

>>63912724
>stationary plate for mounting RDS
>no frame around barrel for minimal print and carry bulk
This is desing template of the future.

>>63912724
Looks like a worse ALG mount
>>63912728
IMO it's because comp design is years behind the curve. Really wasn't until the last 4-5yrs that fairly drop in comps that typically don't impact reliability too much while using stock springs was a thing. Even currently the vast amount of comp/gun combos require tuning to get reliable function a significant amount of the time. That's an obvious nogo for LEAs and similar orgs as it pretty much means every gun will need much more individual attention from users or armorers to ensure proper function and could open them up to liability. Manufacturers will need to make the move of providing out of the box reliable firearms with comps on them and proper armorer training/support for them to take off. When you think about it the big trend for decades now has been issuing firearms that are easier and easier to shoot well, meaning a higher percent of candidates passing quals, compensators are a logical next step in that trend.

>>63912748
>nobody is using reciprocating red dots if rules permit stationary red dots
I mean anyone can join open division and use frame optics but most don't and the ones that do have total min-max builds that prioritize speed over everything which isn't exactly conducive for being carry-friendly.

It's just another piece you can use to make yourself a bit faster, it's not some meta-changing breakthrough that everyone should seek out by itself for their "get me out of being mugged" handgun...

Optics on pistols aren't really that big of a deal IMO. I've shot them multiple times and never found a tremendous difference between a red dot and open sights, unlike with rifles.

If you like a dot on your pistol, by all means use one. Its not a complete game changer though and you still need to learn how to shoot.

>>63912748
>in a self defense scenario if you don't put all your shots in the same hole you're dead

>>63912823
Uhh, they are a complete game changer when it comes to speed. Instead of two things to line up it’s a single dot.

>>63913388

You should be using your front sight for that anyways. I never found them to drastically improve my speed, but I've been point shooting handguns for over 15 years at this point so maybe I'm just too used to it.

>>63912671 (OP)
>What's the next big thing that you think will sweep the handgun market, /k/?
A highly modular FCU-based design to capture the market that the P320 is losing

>>63912671 (OP)
There's no further improvements to be made. Over the next 10 years most platforms will switch to FCU's, open emitters will probably go away, some 9mm killers will come out at SHOT and be DOA by summer, more 15rd thin pistols will be built, and more retarded niche shit like the laugo alien or kriss chimera will be built, but overall glock solved handguns in the 80s the same way stoner solved rifles in the 50s. We will be using glocks and m4's on mars

>>63913512
>glock solved handguns in the 80s the same way stoner solved rifles in the 50s
We will be in gun shops in 2065 and neofudds will still be spouting this bullshit while post-zoomers are buying laser rifles or whatever.

>>63912823
>Optics on pistols aren't really that big of a deal
They are. A skilled shooter with a dot considerably outclasses an iron sighted pistol especially for precision or distance shooting.

>Its not a complete game changer though and you still need to learn how to shoot.
But this is also true. Imo irons are still better for carry pistols because they are less bulky and just as capable for self defense distances.

Another thing to consider is that dots are superior for training because they give you much more precise feedback on how the gun is moving during dryfire training.

>>63913512
>will switch to FCU's,
Ahh the unrestrained confidence of the retard. FCUs are trash. Snap your extractor and your gun is ruined rather than just replacing it for $20 on every other gun in existence. Congrats SAAAR on helping Nig Sour make their quarterly projections!!!

>>63913772
>because they are less bulky

the added 'bulk' of a red dot means nothing. the two things that effect carryability the most are width of the gun and the length of the grip

>>63912703
Paddle release are for eurocucks. Guess I know where you're from

>>63913791
>the added 'bulk' of a red dot means nothing

Yes, it does. They stab into your side. The smaller the gun the more it matters. /k/tards love to larp about carrying fullsize pistols with a light and dot and then only actually carry their gun on Saturday morning. If you live with a CCW, you want something as unobtrusive and comfortable as possible. Anyone who carries daily knows this to be true.

>carryability the most are width of the gun and the length of the grip

You are talking about concealment. I am talking about comfort after concealment is achieved.

>>63913788
uh, can you read? hes talking about other guns using FCUs, no reason they'd have to make the ejector(you do know it isnt the extractor right?) a non replaceable part of the serialized FCU like sig did

>>63913842
>Yes, it does. They stab into your side.
fat

>>63912823
>>63913388
even bed stoeger said dots don't really make that much of a difference at typical self defense distances, get off your high horses. if you want to larp as Elisjsha Dicken then by all means, but don't pretend that dots do anything significant for 99% of situations

>>63913842
>They stab into your side.

why are you CCing on your hip?

>>63913883
oops didn't mean to include >>63912823

>>63913883
>if you want to larp as Elisjsha Dicken

ah yes its the enlightened centrist concealed carrier, who only carries to stop one specific scenario and will simply 'run away' from all others. how brave and contrarian of you to only carry 'whats necessary' im sure this mindset doesn't carry over to pepper spray.

>>63913512
>We will be using glocks and m4's on mars
we're gonna run out raw materials for your microplastics within a century tard

>>63913895
>one specific scenario
lmao

>>63913909
people that scoff at carrying a tricked out pistol are the ones who like to virtue signal as beacons of rationalism because they only carry a 5-shot 38 meant specifically for when they are mugged and need to shoot someone through their coat (its 92F 53% humidity outside)

>>63913875
>>63913887
Some of us wear suits for a living boys

>>63913883
Ben said everyone who is serious about shooting has red dots and anyone who hasn't gotten on board isn't a serious person

>>63913883
>don't pretend that dots do anything significant for 99% of situations

You are correct about irons being sufficient for self defense but the quoted statement is just wrong. Dots make shooters faster and more precise, especially those spend less time training.l which is most people. And this assertion tracks with --->>63912689
Which shoes that pistols optics are ideal for duty and irons are ideal for carry.

People can carry whatever they want but people should try not to deny reality simply to support their aesthetic sensibilities.

>>63912683
Same reason you still see vocally retarded subhumans screech about optics decades after they have been standard issue.

>>63913904
This is the crux of dot resistance right here.

>Waaah I hate modernity and am butthurt that plastic is a better material for handgun frames

You best get used to modernity because you are living in it chud. Dontravius' gen 2 Glock used to commit 3 drivebys since the 90s has been buried in his backyard for 10 years and he can trust it to work after digging it up without even bothering to test it. Sorry white man. Your time is up.

>>63913822
Hmm let me guess, because you're a seething nogunz poorfag shitskin who cries about everything, all the time?

So, where am I from browny?

>>63913932
Why not get a real job?

>>63913921
>carry a 5-shot 38 meant specifically for when they are mugged
Not a bad idea if you don't want to leave casings behind and not have to report shooting some nigger and then ending up on trial for defending yourself.

>>63914038
If I don't make fat stacks sitting on my ass, who is gonna pay you cost plus 10 to install walk-in showers and trim my hedges?

>>63914053
>fat stacks
lol
>so poor he has hedges to trim
lmfao

suburban poorfag thinks he's rich because he has a useless job making barely above a living wage

>>63912683
They're no guns or poors from paying for their hrt

>>63914058
Even you don't believe what you just wrote. You sound young so it's probably not to late to join the ownership class. Getting the raw end of the deal is nothing to be proud of.

>>63914049
Anon you got it backwards, you're thinking like the nigger doing the mugging, not the person lawfully defending themselves.

>>63914066
Of course I believe what I wrote lol, I deal with your kind seething every day about not having enough money.

>ownership class
Anon, you work for someone: you don't own anything. I doubt you can even afford your home or car.

>>63913842
You are unironically fat.

>>63914069
>not the person lawfully defending themselves
Have fun explaining that to your nigger loving DA who will parade around a bunch of 3rd grade school photos of Jamal and a cabal of "community members" waxing poetic about how he was such a good young boy.
Best case scenario you spend $350-500k+ in attorney fees and get a dismissal, worst case you get to go visit Jamal's extended family in jail.

>>63914082
Hmm? No, in my state when you are found innocent all your legal feels are required to be reimbursed. Have fun with getting stabbed and slowly dying while your children are raped bongfag

>>63914082
You're retarded and probably don't even own guns.

>>63914082
>If you kill someone and get to court, the defense is going to do their job and say things that paint them in a good light
no shit you underaged retard, that's what a fucking trial is
>Best case scenario you spend $350-500k+ in attorney fees and get a dismissal,
not how it works, brownie.

>>63914074
I can tell you don't actually carry daily. Learn for yourself and carry 8 hours a day minimum 7 days straight and then come back and make a thread.

>>63914116
Post your carry, lardo.

>>63914116
Here is my edc

>>63914116
If a carry dot is digging into your sight it's either a skill issue and/or you have flabs of flesh poking beyond your waistline. That's all there is to it.

>>63914135
side*

>>63914116
tubby

>>63912671 (OP)
Threading for cans as standard, if the tax gets axed.

>What's the next big thing that you think will sweep the handgun market, /k/?
If they can't sell me picrel it doesn't matter much. I'm gonna be really sad tho.
>USP9 stainless slide
>USP9 Expert frame
>integrated comp with sights
>integrated picatinny rail
>integrated finger grooves
My life will never be this complete.

>>63912671 (OP)
Is that a factory grey DLC finished slide? Looks so fucking good. I hate the inky black DLC

>>63913988
I think the best stats on this difference are here. Even if the raw hitrate is similar, it's obscuring that dots make you that much more precise and that matters a lot for handgun lethality as well

>>63914092
>No, in my state when you are found innocent all your legal feels are required to be reimbursed.
Not how criminal court works, bucko.
>>63914107
Quiet, poorfag shitskin.
>>63914114
>not how it works, brownie.
Why do you bother posting, if you're just a dumb, know-nothing retarded faggot?
https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/11/28/george-zimmermans-25-million-debt-is-entirely-in-legal-fees/
>The $2.5 million debt the broke and embattled 30-year-old owes is strictly in legal fees, his defense attorneys in Florida have revealed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/21/kyle-rittenhouses-2-million-legal-funds-won-his-case-most-defendants-cant-afford-that-quality-aid/
>Rittenhouse’s $2 million legal defense funds enabled his lawyers

Retards.

>>63914580
>Not how criminal court works, bucko.
Yes, it is.

>>63914580
>subhuman from some shithole just now learns US states can have entirely different laws
LOL

>>63914627

>>63914629
You are brown and nogunz.

>>63914642
You have never touched a gun in your life and are not allowed to.

>>63914657
Post EDC, post skin, you third world nigger.

>>63914568
I think it's worth mentioning that in over 10 years with pistol optics getting super popular, nobody, including Aaron Cowen, has been able to replicate that study on film.

>>63914657
>>63914697
pajeet BTFO

>>63914697
Oh, now it all makes sense.

>>63914714
Well, yeah, it's a detailed study and costs a lot of money to run.

>>63914082
Do you actually think every person in a DGU has to spend $50k in the ensuing court case?

>>63914082
>Have fun explaining that to your nigger loving DA
yeah so if we follow your dipshit advice you'll be doing that anyways while also explaining the obstruction of justice charge you got for not reporting the shooting along with any duty to report violations that apply to your locality, both of which are going to do just stellar things for your case.

do not post here again until you're over 18.

>>63914797
>$50k
For a defense attorney in a criminal prosecution, that is cheap, so yes.
A reputable firm on a defense case is easily going to charge $10k minimum just as a retainer's fee before even taking your case, and high profile cases will warrant multiple times that.
Add in an hourly rate that runs $300-400/hr. or more and you are easily looking at a high 5 figure or 6 figure legal bill.
Otherwise, have fun with your public defender that will try to talk you into a bench trial or one of the subscriptions defense services that will drop you the moment they assess your case.
>>63914912
See >>63914697
and fuck off, you noguns nocarry nigger.

>>63914049
Good job you just made the cops have to drag you to court anyways with charges weighing down your case and now you're probably facing prison, fucking moron.

>>63915094
anon if you're talking about legal costs, the costs when you're caught after shooting someone dead and leaving without ever calling the police are going to be much fucking higher

>>63915094
you're a retard screaming at people to carry revolvers to break laws and avoid going to court while not carrying one yourself, you are a flaming homosexual nigger and need to leave, please come back when you're old enough to at least stop chewing your nails.

>>63915111
>noguns brownoid posting
Opinion discarded, nigger.

>>63915094
>to avoid paying legal fees from I DGU, I will proceed to incur obstruction of justice charges to add even more legal fees and very likely prison time
Actual niggerbrain think lmfao.

>>63915120
>to avoid paying legal fees from I DGU
>Tries to criticize someone, can't even type a coherent statement.
This is what happens when underage summer tourists are allowed to propagate on the board.

>>63915116
you are pristine example of how single mother households produce substandard members of society

>>63915094
After working for a public defender's office for a summer I take great umbrage with posts like this. To be sure, the systems vary widely across states. But here in good old Georgia, where there isn't the same funding imbalance between them and the DA's offices that I hear about elsewhere, they're some of the best criminal defense attorneys you can get. Hell, I watched the senior attorney at my office win a self-defense immunity hearing for one of our clients. Dude gets in a knife fight, and thanks to a public defender he walks before he even has to face a jury.

I hope you and everyone else who pushes the dogshit public defender meme never has to experience actually bad legal counsel, because that shit sucks.

>>63915129
>>63915116
Oh cool I see you entered the "toddler-grade meltdown" phase of the I Was Only Pretending to be Retarded playbook. Is the "Haha, thanks for the entertainment, losers!" post coming up next?

>>63914082
>turn a fee issue into a felony issue

>>63913388
>are a complete game changer when it comes to speed

Correct. But not for the reason you think.
NONE of the world fastest shooters use optics. NONE.
Why? Because it slows them down.

why do I consistently see this board's most dogshit takes in CC threads? it's uncanny.

>>63915524
Uhhhh....

>>63915524
>NONE of the world fastest shooters use optics. NONE.
>Why? Because it slows them down.
Here's a photo of Jerry Miculek immediately after setting a(nother) world record. Notice anything about the revolver in that photo, anon?

>>63913988
>especially those spend less time training
this is exact opposite of what ben stoeger said but keep spouting nonsense

>>63913949
>about shooting has red dots
notice how that's completely different from usefulness in self defense, retard

>>63913921
>they only carry a 5-shot 38
strawman time

>>63914007
>didn't address the point about raw materials running out
holy cope

>>63914024
Looks like isreal to me

>>63915954
I don't think it could possibly look less like Israel.

>>63913988
Every actual pro shooter admits irons are superior for the average joe who DOESN'T train. And yes. That includes cops. Especially cops. Since they don't train.

>>63912671 (OP)
Think P365 Fuse.
The same stack-and-a-half magazines and modular frames across the entire product range.
Everything from subcompact to full size, and every retarded combination you can lego together in between.
Many of which with integrated compensators, and everything except for budget models with optics cuts.

>>63913788
Steyr has been using a FCU design in their pistols since the early 90s with 0 issues anon. Just because (((SIG))) fucked it up like they always do doesn't mean others have to

>>63916516
List of Steyr adopters:
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>>63916278
>Every actual pro shooter admits irons are superior for the average joe who DOESN'T train
Show me some quotes that support this.