Thread 63921351

I've been looking but can't find any new information about the SHORT act or HPA in the BBB.

>4niggers is a fed site
>will happily take $200
sounds about right

>>63921351 (OP)
Last i heard it was dropped to $0, but registration is still a thing :(

>>63921416
If it makes it do you think it'll still cause sweeping changes for suppressors? If it's zero bucks personally I'd buy one

>>63921426
I'm not registering anything

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https://twitter.com/gunowners/status/1939424635143016936

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Call your 2 Senators and Leader Thune to tell them to replace the Parliamentarian.

>>63921426
A $0 tax would definitely help the poorfags and the home-manufacturers, but the federal paperwork & reporting requirements are the true negative for most men.

They got removed because changing a tax that has been confirmed multiple times in court as a tax in a budget bill that deals with taxes is apparently changing regulations instead.

>>63921426
If the registration req gets removed maybe. I'm part of the millenial partial nomadic tribe that moves every 1-3 years. I don't expect to stay long enough to make registration worth it.

>>63921416
You’re already on a CSA list.

>>63921505
I dunno what the Confederate States of America have to do with this but ok

>>63921452
Brits and leafs spy on you and tattle to the Feds by the way

>>63921452
they already have the 4473 you filled out

>>63921426
The most annoying part about buying silencers aside from the wait itself is the $200 tax. The SHORT Act though is completely pointless without full deregulation since everyone will just keep using pistol braces even if the tax is $0. There's also the fact that simply being married and leaving your NFA shit at home with your wife and kids while you're at work is technically a felony unless you add your wife to your NFA trust. If you bought all your shit as an individual, then you currently have to pay another $200 for each item to move them into your trust, since that counts as a transfer. :^)

>>63921351 (OP)
Thats because its not in there anymore, senate parliamentarian said it didnt pass the Byrd test, which lets be honest, we all know it didnt. Its a budget reconciliation bill, you're not supposed to pass sweeping policy change for other shit in it.

But since the NFA is a tax, they can change the amount, which is what they did. So its $0 for anything other than machine gun or DD. I know last night a dem senator tried to increase it to $1 , in order to guard against lawsuits that will inevitably be filed that claim $0 means it should be removed from the NFA.

In any case it really looks like we are going to have $0 stamps, this isnt as good as deregulation, but it will make buying cheap suppressors a LOT more affordable and the pistol brace shit will be effectively dead after about a year since everyone will be able to simply file for a $0 SBR using eforms at home.

>>63921426
>cause sweeping changes for suppressors?
No, there's still the retarded rules around your home address and moving. It's different for Suppressors and Short barrels.

>>63921602
>since everyone will be able to simply file for a $0 SBR using eforms at home.
Y-yeah, everyone...
>mfw NJ
>mfw it's a felony in NJ to file for or possess an NFA item (except for an AOW, oddly enough)
>mfw the only legal options in NJ are AOW or "other" (brace vertical grip, 26" OAL)

>>63921629
Weird, my friend can have SBR in MA and thats practically the most restrictive state at the moment. That sucks man. They can even have transferable machine gun in MA if you have an FFL 03 collectors license and the local police chief signs off on it.

>>63921679
NJ only allows a machine gun (not SVR/SBS, oddly enough again) if a judge signs off on it. They also specifically go after people who try to get an SOT/07, even if they're a 100% legit business.

>>63921602
>the pistol brace shit will be effectively dead after about a year since everyone will be able to simply file for a $0 SBR using eforms at home.
No one will bother doing that since it makes interstate travel much more annoying, along with the requirements to engrave your SBR when you "manufacture" it and carry your $0 tax stamp with your gun at all times. It's just stupid.

>>63921757
The ATF is changing that regulation to allow you to go over state lines without having to declare SBR on that form, same as how suppressors are handled.

>$0
>but you still need to give daddy government all your info and let them track you and check up on you
Lol. Lmao even. Call me when I can buy a MG out of a barrel in a department store.

>>63921781
Sure, lets just fire up the time machine so you go back before 1934.

>>63921461
Also tell JD Vance since he can overrule the parliamentarian as vice president

A lot of shit info in this thread
Parliamentarian removed hpa and short act over the byrd act
Senate could veto it's removal or the Senate majority leader could fire the parliamentarian and ignore their orders, but they won't
Had the hpa and short act passed as written it would have removed the tax, meaning there is no need for records of paying the tax and no registration
Silencers would still be considered a firearm under GCA which requires a background check with purchase but no finger printing and asking permission
You could, however, legally make your own with no paperwork involved

>>63921426
The registration is the egregious and far more annoying part. Nobody is actually getting filtered by the $200 itself

>>63921781
Post guns

>>63921857
Anon cheap cans dont exist because of the 200 dollar tax stamps.

>>63921850
Is there some issue to firing the parliamentarian? If they're being gay, just fired them and install someone better.

>>63921962
That the parliamentarian is supposed to be a nonpartisan position and firing them because you are not getting what you want has bad optics
She's been doing it since Harry Reid hired her in 2012, she should have been replaced as soon as Trump took power, before it became a partisan issue

>>63922021
DESU the HPA and SHORT act honestly didnt pass the Byrd test, people can argue that it did but most would agree it was major policy change outside of a budget reconciliation bill.

this is why lowering the tax is possibly because its purely a monetary change, not a policy change.

I feel like no matter who you have in that position, if they're actually nonpartisan and doing their job, they're not allowing the HPA and SHORT act on a budget rec bill.

We dont want to set a precedent that you can just push through whatever BS you want, one day it will be dems in power and we will all be screaming for the Byrd rule when they try and pass a federal AWB on a budget rec bill.

>>63922128
WTF is this "desu" shit I didnt write that.

>>63921602
I anticipate that this will cause a conflict between FOPA/GCA ban on registries, since the nfa skirted that because it was a tax scheme and muh 16th amendment. However, when two federal statutes conflict, the methods of reconciling them favor more recent acts and more specific terms, treating them as exceptions or even repeals, so the new $0 tax and registration may be treated as an exception to that ban. It depends on how the court wants to fuck that particular pig.
There's also a standing issue. You need either somebody willing to be a test case for owning an unregistered suppressor and sbr, to try and get a class of gun owners certified for pre-enforcement standing (good fucking luck), or have an ffl show some economic injury caused by the now-unjustifiable system. The last option is likely the fastest and most reliable, though GOA has had some success with pre-enforcement standing. The Court really hates that, though.

>>63922128
>if they're actually nonpartisan and doing their job, they're not allowing the HPA and SHORT act on a budget rec bill.
See, I disagree. The supreme court has ruled that the registration exists solely to enforce the tax. If you're cutting the tax altogether (which they are) then there's no reason for the registration to exist, because there's no tax to enforce. Which, in of itself is apparently against one of the rules laid out in the FOPA? I've heard that same recent law made it so the government can't (legally) have a permanent register of firearms owners. And if suppressors and SBRs no longer have a tax associated, then the whole shebang simply becomes a registry.

>>63922136
lurk moar newfag

>>63922128
It's still fucking gay because no one will ever introduce (and vote on) a billion that solely helps gun owners. Every dem will screech, and every republican will go, "I support the 2A and have a rusty old shotgun st home, BUT..." and then prattle on about how the children would be in danger.

>>63922128
That's retarded, it's a tax, tax changes belong in the budget bill, the real problem is that they used a tax to subvert the constitution and create major policy in the first place
>>63922136
Newfag

>>63922136
Lmao, it really is summer.
(I know traffic doesn't change much)

>>63921866
Wrong. Cheap cans don't exist because of the registration process artificially limits the size of the market. The other anon is right because people overpay for gun stuff all of the time.

Welp, its passed the Senate and the Speaker of the house said they expect to pass it unchanged tomorrow, so I would say $0 tax stamps are practically on the menu at this point.

>>63922194
The bill passed after hpa and short were removed from it

>>63921866
the other guy is right. if you didn't have the registration issues people would buy $400 cans that included tax

>>63922194
the parliamentarian already removed the good stuff

>>63922194
>its just one giant L for the country
>no hpa, no short even in cucked status
Fuck it, at least dems would give me a handy as they fucked me sideways

>>63922194
>>63922214
I'm pretty sure the bill still allows illegals to get taxpayer funded healthcare too

>>63922210
Does that include axing the federal land sales? Would be at least a pyrrhic victory if we can't get HPA or SHORT.

>>63922189
>>63922203
You guys got btfo the moment e filing came out. People dont care about registration they care about waiting and total costs. A 200 dollar stamp means most cans will cost 500+ before a tax stamp due to consumer perceptions about a 200 dollar entry fee.

>>63922203
You already can buy a 200 dollar can, people just think its fucking stupid to pay 50% tax on it which is why no one does. Trust me, Ive done the goy shuffle 3 times now for cans.

>>63921866
that's simply untrue, you can buy a can for less then the tax stamp costs:
https://wittmachine.net/product/canooter-valve/

>>63922226
Yes, that was removed before HPA and Short

>>63922201
No shit....., in place of those they changed the NFA stamp to $0 for anything thats not a machine gun or DD.

>>63922259
No ones stopping you from buying that can anon, its that your 200 value can is now 400 due to taxes. Not msny people want that ratio.

>>63922226
>not losing public lands is a win
Im demorgalized bros, they did it this time

>>63922210
We know man, god damn, I never said the good stuff was in there. but we DO have $0 tax stamps now, which is better than what we had before which was $200 stamps....

>>63922226
that was removed before the HPA/short stuff and the senator who added said he doesn't support it anymore because he got so much backlash to the sale of public land
>>63922241
bullshit, if people didn't care about the registry cuckbraces wouldn't be a thing

>>63922270
Ok, and? You said "cheap cans don't exist" which is simply wrong.

>>63922275
Theres no tax free registration free justasgood alternative to cans, also SBRs need permission to cross state lines unlike cans.

>>63922272
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+a+pyrrhic+victory+

Check out that link anon. Hope ot helps.

>>63922276
Oh fuck off with your pilpul, you know exactly what Im arguing and yes 400 bucks isnt cheap. Theres an entire market of cheap cans that dont exist because its 200 bucks just to turn an oil filter into a limited use can...

>>63921602
>lets be honest, we all know it didnt
It is literally a tax issue.

>>63922194
I’m having trouble keeping track of this stupid thing. Does it go to Trump’s desk, or back to the House now?

>>63922275
>Lee backed down
Good. What a fucking snake.

The Senate just passed H.R. 1 with the $0 NFA tax stamp 51-50, with @JDVance breaking the tie.

@HouseGOP should insert a full repeal of the NFA excise tax on suppressors & short-barreled firearms & send it back to the Senate to fire/overrule the Parliamentarian.

Action
Call your House Rep

>>63921529
>>63921505
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!

>>63922304
It goes back the House, but the Speaker of the House said they plan on passing it unchanged tomorrow and he expects to have the votes.

Then Trump will sign it , probably on July 4th.

>>63922319
They plan to pass it unchanged ASAP tomorrow, so this isnt happening. They are not gonna stall this thing out for deregulated suppressors, lets just be realistic here.

>>63922177
they tried in 2017 and a berne bro boomer shot congressmen the day before the vote, and the las vegas shooting happened with pollock.

>>63922214
they want to cut your dick off as they fuck you sideways.

>>63922363
I know this might be shocking, but you can just ignore the totally natural events and vote on the bill anyway.

>>63922369
Y-you too.

>>63922382
they fucking hate us and see us as their servant class. they will never allow us the educaions to overthrow them or the means to shoot their foot solders and hang them.

>>63922393
>educaions

>>63922177
>>63922363
don't forget there was also that black guy who shot that news reporter live on TV like 2 days before the suppressor vote and then it got memory holed and that was like the only can murder the whole year

>>63922293
>Theres an entire market of cheap cans that dont exist because its 200 bucks just to turn an oil filter into a limited use can...
They do exist, SME makes a ton
Because something isn't the most popular doesn't mean it doesn't exist you dumb fuck

It's as over as over gets. Never even began.

>>63922429
Holy shit you are stupid, like breakfast question failing stupid. If you cant understand how those ultra cheap cams dont move due to them being inflated in total costs by a 200 dollar tax you are hopeless.

>>63921452
Your blood, fingerprints, and SSN were given to the government when your were first born.
Have you ever been to the dentist? If so, they have your dental records, and jaw profile as well.

Ever been in the military? They have everything. I was a zogbot because I thought I was doing the right thing after 9/11. I'm not afraid of a registration, they already have all my stuff anyways. Besides, I wouldn't hurt a fly. I killed a frog last week for pissing all over, and living in my watermelons. It killed several plants, so I took it out with a little .22. I still feel like shit about it.

The only time I would ever hurt someone is if my life is in immediate danger. I guess the military taught me to respect life more than to take it, but i don't know. My point being, don't be afraid of a little paperwork. A functioning society must have law and order.

>>63922360
It's not just about silencers though. The Senate gutted everything good about the bill such as no taxes on overtime and banning illegal immigrants from Medicaid. It only passed by one vote in the House the first time around, so there's no way it's happening now.

>>63922459
What are you even talking about? The volume of cheap suppressor sales is irrelevant, they DO in fact exist, and people DO buy them.
Would they be more popular if there was no tax stamp? Yeah probably
Saying they "don't exist" is simply wrong.

>>63922490
>The volume of cheap suppressor sales is irrelevant, they DO in fact exist, and people DO buy them.
Thanks for wasting everyone's time because thats not what we were talking about...

>>63922462
>please accept infringements
Lol

>>63922495
Pray tell what we are then because you change your mind like a school girl

>>63922500
You're moronic to think that the 200 dollar tax stamp shouldn't matter for sales, goodbye.b

>>63922506
Please point to where I said that

>>63922510
Right here
>>63922490

>>63922462
Cool schizo post anon, really fly.

>>63922515
You mean where I said more cans would be sold if there was no tax? Is that not also what you are saying you mongoloid??
Do you also remember when you made this post?
>>63921866
And said cheap cans don't exist? That's the part you are dead wrong about, as I've already said multiple times.

>>63922498
I get what you are saying. I wouldn't mind registration if we were allowed to own any weapon system that exists.

I guess I never really thought of registration as infringements since the 2nd amendment states
>"To protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, ensuring a well-regulated militia is maintained for the security of a free state, shall not be infringed."

I would personally say that registration does not impede you from owning anything. Of course you are currently banned from owning destructive devices and machine guns (Unless you are an FFL&SOT), but even with registration if we were allowed to own any weapon system, then that would not be an infringement against the 2nd amendment.

I do agree 100% that felons should not own firearms though. There are just certain groups of people that are violent by nature and should not own guns.

>>63922533
So you think because a cheap can exists on a website that they move more than the most popular cans? What if you didnt have breakfast this morning anon?

>>63922538
>they move more
I never said that you dumbass. Cheap cans exist. Cope & seethe retard

>>63922578
Cool, no one was arguing they didn't literally exist, only a moron would assume that when we were talking about how a 200 dollar tax stamp means fewer people want to buy a cheap can...

>>63922594
>no one was arguing they didn't literally exist
oh but there is someone that fucking stupid, see he's right here >>63922293

>>63922614
and here, it's what this dumb fucking mutant literally believes apparently
>>63921866

>>63922537
Holy fuck, registration would be something added on to a right that impeeds you from practicing it that did not exist originally. It's a clear and obvious overstep and infringement on a right.

>>63922614
>>63922622
What if you didnt have breakfast this morning anon?

Could reducing the tax to $0 change how violations are prosecuted? How can you be charged for not paying something that doesn't cost anything? Surely there's a law that prevents no-knock raids for not paying $0. How can they give someone 20 years in jail for $0?

I mean they did all that shit for $200 but $0?! You're not violating anything at that point

>>63922658
The registration is the larger of the 2 walls, probably gonna get a few dipshits with it

>>63922683
yes but how can they legally justify criminal prosecution at that point?

>>63922647
What if you weren't a retarded nigger?

>>63922711
I wouldnt argue about the existence of a niche product when the discussion is about how 200 dollars is a barrier to entry that impacts demand.

>>63922693
You didnt register, we know you have it, register it or 5-10 years etc

>>63922720
But it's not?
READ NIGGER READ>>63921866

>>63922782
>Muh one can that doesnt sell tho
Reread >>63922720 you have issues.

>>63922792
It's not a niche product, just that company has like 6 models of suppressors with under $300 price tag. Many other companies do too.

why are there like at least 2 threads about this going on at the same time simultaneously ?

>>63922800
You dont own cans do you?

>>63922822
why do you ask?

>>63922831
Oh nevermind, a combo of THAT gun suppresses and a brand of that can is a massive red flag for intelligence issues.

>>63922838
Big if true, but can we get someone who has intelligence to verify?

>>63922633
Relax, brother. I see what you're saying and I agree based on your wording. I just haven't really thought of it like that. I try to be positive since everything is so fucked up now.

>>63922839
If you buy trash cans like that and put them on a gun infamous for cracking from can use your insistence that sub 200 dollar cans are selling well with a 200 dollar tax stamp is silly. Everything you say is low information.

>>63922851
Works on machine. We were discussing cheap suppressors no? And how they magically can't exist, it's physically impossible you see

>>63922537
The second amendment doesn't say that lmao.

>>63922866
It's from memory, I tried lmao

>>63922658
>>63922693
>>63922734
It's the opposite. If the cost is $0, you literally don't have a leg to stand on if you violate it. The first thing out of the prosecutor's mouth would be
>you knew you had to register, and it's 100% free
At least with the $200 stamp you had the (terribly flimsy) argument that you were poor and couldn't afford it. If it's going to be zero, that puts far more pressure on citizens to comply.

>>63922876
you got the important part, which law makers after 1934 seem to have collective amnesia about
>Shall
>Not
>Be
>Infringed
what could they possibly mean by this

>>63922856
Im just gonna call you stupid again if you keep up.this angle that no one was arguing.

>>63922886
Expect for you lmao.
How would you feel if you didn't make a dumbass post this morning?

>>63922876
It's as if you puzzle pieced the phrases together like a sentence level anagram. I'm actually a little impressed.

>>63922903
You should open up a business selling cheap cans if they sell so well with a 200 dollar stamp on them anon, instead of wasting your time being a sperg.

>>63922878
I don't agree. I think its inviting decriminalization or an adjustment of the punishments to be proportional

>At least with the $200 stamp you had the (terribly flimsy) argument that you were poor and couldn't afford it
I don't think anybody has ever improved their case with that reasoning

>>63922658
This is the actual win here, to be clear I'm not trying to cope too hard. We got absolutely cucked by the parliamentarian and hopefully she gets shit canned for it. "It's just a tax" has been used as justification for the NFA in legal cases off and on for a very long time. It's a large part of why the parliamentarians decision is obviously incorrect and biased. "We aren't denying the right, there's just a tax on it, the registration exists to show you paid the tax" is the argument. This opens a door to new legal arguments as there isn't even a tax anymore, making it pure infringement and a registration scheme. Hopefully we get an actual HOA or SHORT passed soon making that a moot point, but the ramifications of the tax change have much bigger implications than just paying less, its removing a big part of the NFAs legal cover in the eyes of the courts.

Hey retard, the NFA’s cost has already gone to the Supreme Court. They ruled it a legal tax and the regulations are just part of the tax.
Now there will be a new case that since there is no tax, the regulations can only be an illegal infringment.

>>63922913
lol why you so mad dawg. Just say you were mistaken. You'll feel better, I promise

>>63922918
This. I'm going to be happy if this passes because it adds so many contradictions and weak points to the NFA.

>>63922934
Thats what I'm implying. This is an open door for attacks

Are form 1s also going to be free? Time to buy some stainless from alro.

>>63922537
the second amendment literally does not say that.
registration is an infringement
there is no legitimate purpose for a registry. Canada's registry hasn't solved a single murder in like 30 years

>>63922876
>A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
from memory. I also remember the extra 4th comma

>>63923121
This. Also the number of illegal homicides with nfa firearms in the past 30 years in the US has been like 3. However the number of illegal homicides by firearms that would otherwise qualify as nfa firearms but were never registered is quite a lot. Showing it doesn’t prevent crime with these kinds of firearms.