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Anonymous No.63922395 >>63922612 >>63922659 >>63922885 >>63924907 >>63926091 >>63926290 >>63928050
Can /k/ explain to me why this SHORAD system with seemingly high specifications is unable to shoot down basic drones (webm related)? Why is it so shit?

Why are multiple Russian radars unable to spot these little guys? I know that Russians always lie, they always cut corners, but for the sake of the argument, let's take Russian claims at face value.

>1L125 Niobium-SV
From what I gathered from various slavic runes sites about radars, this bitch is essentially Nebo-M's export version 55Zh6ME, but modified by Russian Aerospace Forces for their own use. I assume it has roughly the same specs as Nebo-M. Some sources claim that the Niobium-SV is solely for the use of air defense brigades.

Nebo-M's manufacturer claims that the radar is able to see and target F-22 and F-35. They also claim, per wiki, that Nebo-M can exchange targeting information Pantsir, S-300, and S-400 or others in order to guide them towards threats. So why can't this modified Nebo-M spot a little drone?

>Pechora-3
I have no clue what this radar is. I don't think that it has anything to do with S-125 system. I'd love to know more about this one.

>59N6-E Protivnik-GE
This is an older radar array, developed in late 90's, that can work as part of the Nebo-M radar system. It can also interface with S-3/400 and Pantsir. It's AESA, it's either D/L-band depending on who's writing the specs, it can lock on to satellites, it's a fucking wunderwaffe. Here's what one source had to say:
>"The radar has a high degree of measurement process automatization and a high-resolution under intensive countermeasures. There are air route data processing, secondary air traffic control radar and suitable interface to any automatic control systems. Automatic diagnostics, monitoring and fault finding system are the features of this radar. The automatic mode of operation is also possible. Air search coverage of the radar extends to 200 km in height, i.e. this radar can discover satellites into the near orbit."
Anonymous No.63922464 >>63922489
Because before the war hardly anyone was using small drones. These drones fly low to the ground too so the radar waves can't reach them until they are up close.
Anonymous No.63922489 >>63922519 >>63922524 >>63926290 >>63927851
>>63922464
But why is Pantshit so helpess against them?
Anonymous No.63922519 >>63926080
>>63922489
SAY THAT AGAIN MOTHERFUCKER
Anonymous No.63922524 >>63922548
>>63922489
Pantsir was most likely meant to shoot down UCAV's. They do have some newer versions that fire smaller missiles though.
Anonymous No.63922548 >>63922584 >>63925884
>>63922524
Why can't it use its gun to shoot these smaller, lower flying ones?
Anonymous No.63922584
>>63922548
The gun was ineffective. It's being replaced with 48 smaller missiles.
Anonymous No.63922587
>was about to make the same thread
wtf rude
Also you should always have the catbox prepared, OP. Otherwise how will we listen to these sick beats?

>https://files.catbox.moe/885c8z.mp4
Anonymous No.63922612
>>63922395 (OP)
>It's AESA, it's either D/L-band depending on who's writing the specs, it can lock on to satellites, it's a fucking wunderwaffe
why are they like this?
Anonymous No.63922659 >>63922665 >>63922765
>>63922395 (OP)
>So why can't this modified Nebo-M spot a little drone?
Those are apparently UJ-26 "Bober" strikes. That is no little FPV drone. It is a fairly large, decently long-range (600km-1000km), catapult launched OWA drone.

So maybe the answer is Russia just lies often about their military capabilities?
Anonymous No.63922665
>>63922659
>So maybe the answer is Russia just lies often about their military capabilities?
OP here. This is the correct answer as always. It's also the most boring one.
Anonymous No.63922716
Because you view Russian MIC through western optics as a conglomerate of companies that try to invent and build weapons to further expand agenda of their domestic state and make profit doing so.
But Russian MIC is just a money laundering scheme. As every large Russian company it serves only to allocate state money into specific oligarch's Swiss bank account. The product is just a necesaary charade. If the product actually works, good. If it doesn't. No biggie you'll get a slap on the wrist and continue as usual since Russian power structure does not reward meritocracy but loyality instead.
Anonymous No.63922765
>>63922659
>pantsaar can't shootdown a fuckhuge drone
KEK
Anonymous No.63922885
>>63922395 (OP)
because it works on paper. thus the money keeps flowing to the company owner.
Anonymous No.63924907 >>63925768
>>63922395 (OP)
>let's take Russian claims at face value.
Anonymous No.63925768
>>63924907
It would make the argument more interesting. On paper, Pantsir and the radars are good, which makes it funny how they can't target and shoot down a big ass garage industry drone.
Anonymous No.63925884
>>63922548
Ask the Tunguskas or the AK-630's on the Moskva.
The Russians never developed working CIWS, and still lack it. They just show us a shell, a potempkin mockup and claim "But we have PHALANX at home..."
Anonymous No.63925983
i've seen videos of fixed-wing observation drones hovering around multiple types of sam systems in ukraine and they aren't being shot down. patriot, buk, s-300 and all the rest.
Anonymous No.63926080
>>63922519
more like pants'd sir. amirite?
Anonymous No.63926091
>>63922395 (OP)
>The UJ-26[1] Bober (Ukrainian: Π‘oΠ±ep, lit.'Beaver')
>Beaver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHHpYXQyQO4
Anonymous No.63926290 >>63926385 >>63927759
>>63922395 (OP)
>>63922489
>Why is it so shit?

Pantsir design started in the 90s when Russia was just 100% shitting itself on a national scale; every aspect of its society became 3rd world tier (many never recovered).
God only knows what went on during the development but it's just about guaranteed everyone fucking lied about everything and every corner that was cuttable got cut, with some that were uncuttable getting cut anyway.
As a result, its capabilities are massively overhyped. That was fine when Russia was selling its stuff to shitholes that didn't have an alternative. It's less fine when it's actually being deployed to counter the threats it should be able to, according to its paper specs.
Anonymous No.63926356 >>63926385
PantSIR is laughing stock of Russian AA. It’s funny to see ziggers on /pol/ defend it as actually good system
Anonymous No.63926385
>>63926356
>>63926290
Part of the alternate-reality shock I got from visiting /chug/ months ago, was one of them "spontaneously" asking if Pantsir was indeed the stand-out success of Russian system from the war.
Whereupon they all started circle-jerking over it.
Wish I'd saved their Pantsir hype-webm.
It was mostly missiles downing low&slow drones. Equivalent to Shahed-hunting.
Anonymous No.63927759 >>63927958
>>63926290
>Pantsir design started in the 90s when Russia was just 100% shitting itself on a national scale

From the other thread, but it also runs on WindowsXP or Server2008. Might be the TOR, though, as the video obfuscated the outside of the vehicle but did show the inside control room which had that classic boxy windows GUI on a square monitor. I saw the grey start button on the screen.
Anonymous No.63927851
>>63922489
According to Russian mil-history bloggers their military air defense branch originally wanted Tor but was overruled and given Pantsir instead.

Physically the guns are designed for deterring 4th gen fighters using 1970s low altitude attacks, not hitting quadcopter size objects.
Anonymous No.63927958 >>63928167
>>63927759
once again the German war machine design proves to be top tier with is Alien autocannon Hud in the Gepard (though is likely to be ajust as old OS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ_Yi5P2TCk
Anonymous No.63928050
>>63922395 (OP)
>why
>asking why about russians in 2025
something something air defense cuckold
Anonymous No.63928167
>>63927958
>Alien autocannon Hud
It's the Doom3 in-game PDA GUI combined with the color scheme of Doom Eternal.