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/sgg/ - Shotgun general
Benelli Edition

What do you guys prefer? A field stock or pistol grip? Velcro placard or rigid side saddle?
Anonymous No.63923431 >>63923511
>>63923405 (OP)
dumbass anon, the benelli m4 is a meme gun. You should have bought a $200 gas station special pump action instead.
Anonymous No.63923438 >>63923602
Doing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYofpc4AsBc when the BBB passes
Anonymous No.63923511
>>63923431
It cycles fast, is relatively soft recoiling for a 12 gauge and will go without a single hiccup with any high brass 2 3/4" or 3" shells. My shoulder isn't in agony after shooting one all day
Anonymous No.63923602
>>63923438
Super Shorty started with a Mav 88 base. Going to try and do that.
Anonymous No.63923834 >>63923889 >>63924838 >>63931613
Wish benelli sold the M3A1 in the US
Anonymous No.63923889
>>63923834
It's like the SPAS-12 except it doesn't suck. Kinda cool that you can run it like a pump for ammo that wouldn't cycle
Anonymous No.63924320 >>63924838
>>63923405 (OP)
Field stock, and nothing on the side. This is especially stupid bc my fav shotgun is my 870 SBS which is only 4+1, but I just like the way it looks without the extra stuff (and barrel length)
Anonymous No.63924330 >>63924346 >>63924362 >>63924380
>>63923405 (OP)
Is there any reason to get a 20g or 10g? I have three 12g and I am happy with them.
Anonymous No.63924346 >>63939933
>>63924330
20 gauge for teaching friend/child how to shoot
Anonymous No.63924362
>>63924330
20ga if you shoot a lot of upland game where you're walking a lot and it's nice to carry a lighter gun.

10ga has exactly one purpose: large waterfowl. If you hunt geese or big high-flying ducks then go for it.
Anonymous No.63924365 >>63924513 >>63924516 >>63929645
Do any of you hunt with shotguns? I live in a shotgun only hunting state for durr and I kind of want to get into hunting. what ranges can you get out of smooth bores? I have a mossberg 500 with a 18.5 inch barrel, a 28 inch removable choke barrel, a meadow creek red dot mount and a sig romeo 5 so I can hunt with slugs using that smooth bore. not sure if it's worth buying a rifled barrel, though I feel like if I am going to do that I might as well buy a whole slug gun with how ass the mossberg trigger is
Anonymous No.63924380 >>63924396 >>63929613
>>63924330
10 gauge used to be relevant for like duck and geese hunting but has been rendered obsolete by 12 gauge 3 1/2" shotguns. They fire the same amount of shot and pattern better but just recoil a bit more harshly because they're lighter guns and firing it out of a narrower bore
Anonymous No.63924396
>>63924380
>and pattern better
no.
Anonymous No.63924437 >>63924482
Is there a slug gun that
>is made in the USA
>has a good trigger
>is not bolt action
and preferably
>in 20 gauge
but I'll take 12 if no 20
Anonymous No.63924480 >>63924496
Is 6 steel shot the best for drones?
Anonymous No.63924482 >>63924507
>>63924437
Yes.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/csmc-shotguns-rbl/csmc-rbl-professional-sxs-sabot-slug-gun-20ga-24-rifled-barrels-with-flip-open-sights-make-offer-.cfm?gun_id=103170009
Anonymous No.63924496 >>63924640 >>63939941
>>63924480
tungsten > lead > bismuth > steel
steel shot is terrible. the only reason it exists is because it's the cheapest lead-free option, and lead-free shot is required for hunting waterfowl in most places.
Anonymous No.63924502
When is PSA releasing the 570?
Can I preorder it like gamestop?
Anonymous No.63924507 >>63924596
>>63924482
jesus christ, a 7 grand shotgun
Anonymous No.63924513 >>63924535
>>63924365
Let me guess... CT? I hunt here, but just pheasant so far. Since centerfire rifles are generally banned for hunting, I haven't gotten into deer. Shotgun only states are stupid.
Anonymous No.63924516 >>63924535
>>63924365
You'll be fine with buckshot, birdshot, and slugs with those barrels + a choke set. Most whitetail deer are taken within 40yd. Just take your shotgun to the range and pattern it with different ammo first so you can figure out whats going to work best for you.
Anonymous No.63924535 >>63924578 >>63924662
>>63924513
NJ. I've never gone hunting ever and usually shoot rifle instead of shotguns but I have a shotgun since it was the first gun I bought
>>63924516
those 20 inch barrels are something retarded like $400 on mossberg's site
Anonymous No.63924578 >>63924616
>>63924535
Didn't realize NJ was shotgun only. That makes it suck even more than I thought, which is a lot.

In response to your original question, you are probably completely fine with your existing setup. Instead of buying a slug gun right off the bat, buy some nice rifled slugs (I like Brenneke but there are lots of good ones) and zero/pattern your shotgun with one you like. There's no reason why you can't get adequate performance out of even your 18.5 smoothbore barrel.
Anonymous No.63924596 >>63924599
>>63924507
Honestly pretty cheap in the world of nice shotguns. Go look up what a Perazzi costs. Or a Holland & Holland.
Anonymous No.63924599
>>63924596
Do you put your cock in it? How do they get so pricey?
Anonymous No.63924616
>>63924578
I'm probably going to use the 28 incher with the chokes because the meadow creak mount let's me mount the red dot to the rib and I prefer that over receiver mount and you need sights or an optic to hunt with slugs
Anonymous No.63924640
>>63924496
>tungsten
Sounds expensive. So lead then.
Anonymous No.63924662 >>63924668
>>63924535
I was saying that you're fine with what you have. Buy a choke set for the 28" and run rifled slugs in the shorty.
Anonymous No.63924668 >>63924777
>>63924662
I know. I have a choke set for the 28 inch. I'm saying I can't legally hunt with slugs out of the 18.5 inch unless I receiver mount a red dot or scope because you need to have sights or an optic to hunt with slugs.
Anonymous No.63924777 >>63924812
>>63924668
Nta but get a $10 rail and throw an optic on it.
>inb4 you NEED the $120 scalarworks rmr mount or your gun will explode
Anonymous No.63924791
>>63923405 (OP)
I hate pistol grips on shotguns. I have an agency arms jewed out Benelli M2 that I got in a trade and it's probably my favorite shotgun now.
Anonymous No.63924812
>>63924777
muh height over bore
Anonymous No.63924838 >>63925653 >>63929566
>>63923405 (OP)
The Benelli collapsible stocks seem like they are still functional. I had an old wire folder on an 870 which was no fun. Pistol grips are good for when you may need an extra hand but I like both.

>>63923834
I was surprised how light the M1 was when I got it.

>>63924320
Do you have a 14” barrel? The Wilson Combat or S&J +1’s sure don’t hurt.
Anonymous No.63925433 >>63925523
>>63923405 (OP)
based banderite
Anonymous No.63925523
>>63923405 (OP)
>>63925433
why are you infecting a thread about private gun ownership with ukraine slop?
Anonymous No.63925653 >>63926718
>>63924838
>Do you have a 14” barrel? The Wilson Combat or S&J +1’s sure don’t hurt.
Nah, I went 12.5" to be just about flush with my sling swivel on the mag cap.
Anonymous No.63925682
>>63923405 (OP)
prefer a conventional stock but the M2's is unnecessarily long and like fuck am I paying $300 for an unobtanium compact so urbino it has to be. And I just got some of the rigid backed esstac Velcro jobs and desu they're fucking shit unless you like spending a full minute reloading
Anonymous No.63926545 >>63930112 >>63930995
Been watching a lot of videos and i want a 1301 now. I cant tell what the deal is with these folding stocks, i know they are made by a company called chisel machining and they seem to be offered stock by beretta but not sure. The normal pistol grip and even the regular stock look great.
All of the colors are pretty cool as well.
Anonymous No.63926718
>>63925653
Nice
Anonymous No.63929506
Airborne Vepr bump
Anonymous No.63929566 >>63929763 >>63929820 >>63931002
>>63924838
Why not get the Mesa side saddle for the urbino? Quicker detach and attach for esstacs?
Anonymous No.63929613 >>63939885
>>63924380
Hasn’t 3.5” been rendered kind of obsolete as well due to better alternatives to steel shot like bismuth and tungsten?
Anonymous No.63929645
>>63924365
I have taken multiple deer using Winchester military grade 00 buck and this 18.5 inch mossberg. Longest shot was 29 yards and the deer folded without another step. I hunt out of a little blind that I set up on deer trails and the land I hunt is practically a jungle so there are NEVER any long shots.
Anonymous No.63929657 >>63929749
I think a janny just spitefully deleted all of that anon’s posts retroactively. Wtf lol
Anonymous No.63929749
>>63929657
janny seethe over a cowpens thread
Anonymous No.63929763 >>63940081
>>63929566
Nta anon but you can always tell a retard by one on these or just someone that has never used a gun in a real world setting.
Anonymous No.63929820
>>63929566
I feel like maybe it’s more bulky? If I really needed to reloadmaxx, I’d slap a 2 or 3 shell Esstac on the stock. I’ve always wanted a Speedfeed so I just got one for cheap and put it on my 18”.
Anonymous No.63930112 >>63930154
>>63926545
those stocks look like goddamn tumors and using it to mount an optic doesn't seem very smart
Anonymous No.63930154
>>63930112
Yeah but they fold and i fucking love a hinge.
Wild beretta wouldnt make the tactical pistol grip collapsible.
Anonymous No.63930627 >>63930986 >>63931007 >>63931077 >>63931497 >>63931678 >>63939899
>post my Benelli m4 with an Eotech 512 on some normie discord server
>the spergs come out of the woodwork and say "hurrr shotguns suck just get an AR-15" (I own 2) and "durrr Eotechs and Aimpoints BREAK on shotguns because the recoil is so high you need a pistol red dot like an RMR" (I have 700 ish rounds through mine with that 512 on it)
are people not allowed to have fun? why does so much retarded fuddlore and hatred exist around shotguns?
Anonymous No.63930986 >>63931497
>>63930627
its entirely by people who have never fired shotguns let alone guns in general
Anonymous No.63930995
>>63926545
the only stock option that makes sense for the 1031 is the standard traditional stock because it keeps the dimensions small.
Anonymous No.63931002
>>63929566
esstacs are superior because they are like 15 dollars and aren't some stupidly bulky metal tumor.
Anonymous No.63931007 >>63931037
>>63930627
>on some normie discord server

thats the problem. when you post gun stuff in a public area full of men, they will all try their hardest to criticize what your posted because it increases their status as the Big Gun Guy in the group. guns are superficially masculine and when they are brought up, low-iq men find it impossible to not try to establish themselves as the Big Gun Guy of the group
Anonymous No.63931037
>>63931007
it was a guntoober discord filled with 30- and 40-year-olds
Anonymous No.63931077
>>63930627
Gun culture is what turns me off talking about guns to other gun people. I just watch rando YouTube videos and lurk on niche gun forums with users who seem to die off more every year
Anonymous No.63931497 >>63931508 >>63931816
>>63930627
>>63930986
tacticool shotguns are retarded, thoughbeit. a fudded up m4 action would be based. It's like how rails look gay on a lever action or how all bolt actions were invented by homosexuals and straight pulls are the tranny action. oh and single shot break actions are gay, but double barrel or drilling break actions are cool and falling blocks are based
Anonymous No.63931508 >>63931527 >>63931703
>>63931497
How about you have some fucking joy in your life? Do you see everything in terms of what you think 4chan Anonymous approves of? Christ.
Anonymous No.63931527 >>63931678
>>63931508
I literally said bolt actions were invented by homosexuals and falling blocks are based. I don't think I am just following standard 4chan schizo shit. I just don't think mag dumping into trash is fun. guns need to be practical or fun. a 20 inch semi auto shotgun is neither. one that can shoot clays is practical and fun.
Anonymous No.63931613
>>63923834
What's worse is that you can't even buy a short barrel for the M3
Anonymous No.63931678 >>63931695
>>63930627
They're retards. Their low-resolution brains blend plausible civilian self-defense with SHTF militia fantasies.
>>63931527
The "mag dumping into trash" meme is forced and gay. Most "training" that fucksticks do with an AR is on static 50-yard ranges and even more hilariously 25-yard indoor ranges, and I've seen way more aimless magdumping from them than from shotgun guys. Don't pretend the AR community is full of serious guys that "train" just because they bought a plate carrier. If you have proper facilities you can just as easily train with a shotgun as with an AR.
Anonymous No.63931695 >>63931730
>>63931678
>muh training
I'm saying it's not fun. most plausible HD scenarios can be solved with 0-2 round from a shotgun and my AR is more fun on a KD range than a shotgun and a shotgun that takes a 28 inch barrel is more fun for hunting and clays than an M4 is
Anonymous No.63931703
>>63931508
Wow, that's impressive. An image that fully encapsulates current year 4chan
Anonymous No.63931730 >>63931738
>>63931695
>most plausible HD scenarios can be solved with 0-2 round from a shotgun
Yeah, that's the fucking point. How is that not practical?
Anonymous No.63931738
>>63931730
doesn't also take a 28 inch barrel
Anonymous No.63931782 >>63931894 >>63931928 >>63932771
How can you know whether or not a gun takes slugs?
FUCK YOU No.63931816 >>63931849
>>63931497
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Anonymous No.63931849
>>63931816
you sure are one seething tranni boi
Anonymous No.63931894 >>63931928 >>63932774
>>63931782
All* smoothbore shotguns can fire most slugs
Shotguns with rifled bores should only shoot sabot slugs unless you want a fuckton of lead in your barrel
Anonymous No.63931928 >>63932774 >>63933371
>>63931782
>>63931894
in theory you shouldn't shoot a rifled slug down a full choke or tighter
Anonymous No.63932771 >>63932774 >>63932778
>>63931782
Look at the proofmarks. If it's not safe to shoot slugs it will say so on the gun. It will literally say "not for ball" or some equivalent in whatever language the proof house used.

Beyond that it's just reading fine print on the box of slugs. Most slugs can safely be fired through chokes, if your particular slugs are an exception it will say so on the box.
Anonymous No.63932774 >>63933371
>>63931894
>>63931928
>>63932771
Thanks.
Anonymous No.63932778
>>63932771
German gun in this pic. "nicht fur kugel" = "not for ball", it is not safe to shoot slugs out of this gun.
Anonymous No.63933228 >>63941111
Anonymous No.63933371 >>63935832
>>63932774
>>63931928
you should be able to physically fit rifled slugs through a full choke, idk how good it is for the gun and the choke. tighter than full choke idk if the slugs will fit
Anonymous No.63933447 >>63934719 >>63935902
Anonymous No.63934719
>>63933447
Anonymous No.63935832 >>63937675
>>63933371
Rifled slugs actually expand a little big in the barrel from the gas, that's why they have a hollow base. The "rifling" does put a little spin on the slug which helps, but it's primarily there to stabilize/center the slug in the barrel, and it's also designed to be able to have a little bit shaved off with no performance issues. Once you start getting tighter than mod it's just a little bit too much and not good for the slug's performance or for the choke.
Anonymous No.63935902 >>63937415 >>63937682
>>63933447
>This, but an Ithaca 37.
If there is a god in this world. Please, hear my desperate plea.
Anonymous No.63937415
>>63935902
do they still even make Ithaca 37s? I haven't seen one in the wild in a decade
Anonymous No.63937675 >>63938794
>>63935832
>that's why they have a hollow base.
No. The hollow base is for stabilization, it makes the back of the slug lighter than the front so it flies straight. You got the rest correct.
Anonymous No.63937682
>>63935902
>desperate
Get an Ithaca Stakeout, put the wood furniture from a full size model on it. This is not difficult. Original Stakeouts aren't super easy to find but they're not very expensive.
Anonymous No.63938794
>>63937675
That makes sense, kind of like a badminton birdie
Anonymous No.63939880
>>63923405 (OP)
Field and velcro.
Anonymous No.63939885 >>63940174
>>63929613
Why would 3 1/2" not also benefit from high density lead alternatives?
Anonymous No.63939899 >>63939953 >>63946818
>>63930627
Being good with a shotgun is a hell of a lot more work than being good with an AR or wonder 9.
Anonymous No.63939917
>>63923405 (OP)
Field stock, I'm of British blood though. I think they need to be quick to shoulder and point, they're for flying or running game, not larping
Anonymous No.63939933
>>63924346
Buy lighter loads for that. Also if they're too weak to handle the recoil they're probably too weak to safely handle and point the gun
Anonymous No.63939941 >>63940130
>>63924496
Steel isn't good for game but I'd take it for drones, the speed difference is significant. Normal trap ammo is probably best though
Anonymous No.63939953 >>63940158
>>63939899
Debatable, we have family clay pigeon shoots every now and then and even the women do OK with little practice, it's surprising. Get them on a scoped rifle and they're terrible
Anonymous No.63940081
>>63929763
virgin post.
Anonymous No.63940086 >>63940095
>>63923405 (OP)
What's the Glock of shotguns? Boring but cheap and reliable. That's what I want.
Anonymous No.63940095
>>63940086
Maverick 88
Anonymous No.63940130 >>63940214
>>63939941
>the speed difference is significant
Only at the muzzle. The reason why steel shot is shit is because it's less dense than the others. At first glance people think ooh, the velocity is higher....but spherical shot has abysmal ballistics. It might be faster one foot out the muzzle, but 50 yards downrange it has much less energy than a lead pellet.
Anonymous No.63940158 >>63940210 >>63940270 >>63940825
>>63939953
Not aiming, running the weapon; especially reloads, change overs, malfunctions.
Anonymous No.63940174
>>63939885
NTA, you're exactly right, any shell would benefit from higher density shot.
That said, I don't agree the 10ga is obsolete at all. It patterns better than a 12ga with larger volumes of shot. An 8ga would be better still, but sadly we can't use those for hunting waterfowl because of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. Fact is that shot patterns work best when the shot column is roughly "square" in shape, or about as long as it is in diameter. That's about 1-1/8 or 1-1/4oz in a 12ga, for example. Load a lot more than than that in a 12ga, especially if it's lower density steel shot, and the patterns start to get denser in the center. Vice-versa is also true, a very light load like 1/2 oz in a 12ga results in donut shaped patterns with a lot of holes in the center. Ideally, the gauge of the gun should be picked based on the amount of shot you want to fire. If you're shooting 5/8 or 3/4oz loads at small birds at close range then a 28ga is ideal. If you're shooting 2-1/2oz loads at high-flying geese then you'd really want an 8ga, a 10 will be passable, 12 will suck.
Anonymous No.63940210 >>63940219
>>63940158
Yeah but what kind of faggot runs around with a shotgun firing it
Anonymous No.63940214
>>63940130
100% agree with what you say but shooting down a drone requires little energy or shot deformation. On ducks etc it's pretty shit stuff
Anonymous No.63940219
>>63940210
Oh wait disregard this I imagined something a lot different to what you said lol
Anonymous No.63940270 >>63940283 >>63940431
>>63940158
Hard for who? I grew up dropping shells into the receiver. Every time I hear "it's sooo hard" I just imagine zoomer/millennial .mil guys whose parents wouldn't let them touch guns growing up. Cowadooty to carbine pipeline, everything other than a Glawk or AR is a foreign concept.
Anonymous No.63940283 >>63940304
>>63940270
There is always that primal fear of jamming a finger in the tube though, don't deny it kek
Anonymous No.63940304 >>63940368
>>63940283
Don't stick your thumb in at a 90 degree angle, once the shell is in the loading port bend your thumb to be more parallel with the mag tube.
Anonymous No.63940368 >>63940377
>>63940304
Yeah of course, I'm not sure I've ever jammed it in there and if I did it probably would just give it a bit of a graze, but that fear is there kek
Anonymous No.63940377 >>63940408
>>63940368
Yeah it's just a pinch from the carrier, annoying but not going to end your day at the range. Benelli stock ones are probably the worst because they decided to shape it like a fork
Anonymous No.63940408
>>63940377
Kek yeah dad has one of them, he's had a couple finger jams and he's pretty skilled with a shotgun. Shooting ducks in the dark and wet with cold fingers is basically asking for the Chinese finger trap
Anonymous No.63940431 >>63940447
>>63940270
It is objectively more work and more difficult work in a HD secenario especially if you train properly;weak side, one handed, lights out
Anonymous No.63940447
>>63940431
Ok I'll bite. How so?
Anonymous No.63940825 >>63940969
>>63940158
bro it's a fucking hunting gun, what autistic scenario do you think people will be reloading in a hurry with it?
Anonymous No.63940969 >>63942786
>>63940825
The reality is that two buckshot blasts from a coach gun would solve 99% of HD problems. Shotguns don't fit into the militia fantasy which is why timmies don't like them. They "need" an AR for "home defense". If they want to prep and maintain militia gear that's fine, I'm just tired of the insincere rhetoric about how anything else will git you kilt.
Anonymous No.63941111
>>63933228
Brass shot shells are one of the most beautiful things on earth
Anonymous No.63942239 >>63943672
I've had a 590 for months but never shot it due to all ranges requiring slugs (even outdoor ones). What are cheap training quality slugs i can buy in bulk?
Anonymous No.63942247 >>63942741 >>63943693
Pistol grip or traditional stock for a 930?

Does it improve the shotgun or down grade it?
Anonymous No.63942625
Luv me 88
Simple as
Anonymous No.63942741
>>63942247
>Does it improve the shotgun or down grade it?
Most gun mods aren't "improvements". They're min-maxing towards one particular thing. Whether they're an upgrade or not depends on what you're doing with the gun. Personally I like pistol grips on slug guns, it feels more like a rifle which makes sense since I'm shooting a slug gun like one with a similar stance, sights, etc. I don't like a pistol grip stock on a hunting or clays shotty, a normal stock works a lot better for that--for me, anyway. YMMV.
Anonymous No.63942786 >>63942860
>>63940969
>I'm just tired of the insincere rhetoric about how anything else will git you kilt.
I think you misunderstand the rhetoric. I don't think I've ever seen someone claim a shotgun was an ineffective HD weapon. Quite the opposite, they seem to have a strange mystique in which many people think they're far more effective than other kinds of guns, probably because of how they are depicted in games and movies. I don't think 'militia fantasy' has anything to do with it, as tactical timmies love their kitted-out shottys just as much as ARs.

Don't confuse
>an AR is a 1% better HD weapon
with
>Lol shotguns suck and are gonna get you clapped in the boog
Anonymous No.63942860 >>63942875
>>63942786
>I think you misunderstand the rhetoric. I don't think I've ever seen someone claim a shotgun was an ineffective HD weapon.
>Lol shotguns suck and are gonna get you clapped in the boog
I 100% see this, and more and more commonly every year. There are many areas where an AR is a better weapon, but it is not better at dumping a threat at close range in as few trigger pulls as possible. It isn't "mystique", buckshot spreads in the body and causes massive tissue damage at indoor distances.
Anonymous No.63942875 >>63942896
>>63942860
>buckshot spreads in the body and causes massive...
This is a great example of the mystique I'm talking about. You think shotguns are better at "one shot stops" yet you cannot provide any actual data to support this claim. And if you had any hunting experience you'd know firsthand that shooting game with a supersonic rifle bullet is far more effective than buckshot.

We do have plenty of statistical data on real world shootings, and it says this:
shotgun = rifle >>>>>> handgun
Anonymous No.63942896 >>63944012
>>63942875
You have never shot a deer at 5 yards in your life and if you think self defense "data" is complete or reliable you are kidding yourself
Anonymous No.63942899 >>63944492
>>63923405 (OP)
12/70 baikal side by side

btw., those ipsc slugs from geco are pretty accurate tho
Anonymous No.63943672 >>63946776
>>63942239
pretty sure any slug is going to be like 50 to 75Β’pr and feel like total ass to shoot
Anonymous No.63943686 >>63946027 >>63947654
>made in portugal
>still fucking $1,700
jesus christ
Anonymous No.63943693
>>63942247
pistol grips are better for controlling recoil and shooting at point targets like a person, durr or turkey but would be worse for wing shooting or clays. Also it's questionable about how much it would help if you are only shooting one shot and you can't reach the mossberg safety
Anonymous No.63944012 >>63947681
>>63942896
>You have never shot a deer at 5 yards
Deer? no. Small pest animals like raccoons? Every few weeks.

> you think self defense "data" is complete
It's far from perfect, but it's what we've got. Meanwhile the only thing backing up the claim that shotguns are more lethal is media hype and mental masturbation looking at gel tests on youtube (another form of media hype).
Anonymous No.63944434 >>63946029
Do all shotguns have shitty triggers? is that like normal? My mossberg trigger is so ass compared to my rifle triggers
Anonymous No.63944492
>>63942899
>baikal side by side
I was going to get one of their coach guns and one of their combo guns years ago when they were $400 but Putin had to act retarded like 2 weeks before the gun show and then they were like $800 and that was BEFORE Obama hit Russia with the sanctions.
Anonymous No.63946027 >>63947654
>>63943686
Browning is gucci stuff. Worth the price tag.
Anonymous No.63946029
>>63944434
Some are good, some are bad. Arguably not as important of a feature as on a rifle, and you also do not want a 3 pound match trigger on a gun that you're going to be humping through the woods or defending yourself with.
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Anonymous No.63946776 >>63947581
>>63943672
Disheartening. I guess I'll just buy the cheapest stuff
Anonymous No.63946818
>>63939899
No. The recoil can be intense, but that's the only real hurdle.
Anonymous No.63947581
>>63946776
Buy low recoil slugs.
Anonymous No.63947635 >>63947688
Does anyone know what mount this is? Looks like it has integrated irons.
Anonymous No.63947654 >>63947669
>>63943686
You forgot

>Over heats after a couple tubes

My buddy has one and it can’t make it through a round of sporting clays without heating up to the point it’s unpleasant to hold, it’s very low recoil and a good hunting gun though just flawed.

>>63946027
That’s debatable. My old Browning Auto 5 still runs circles around it on the clay fields.
Anonymous No.63947669 >>63950159
>>63947654
oh I've never shot it, I was just looking as slug guns and I don't like guns not made in the US. that sounds like it sucks for clays but I guess it wouldn't be an issue if you were using it to hunt, which is what I think it's marketed for.
Like my match AR doesn't heat up and string because it has an hbar, but fuck carrying that thing for anything
Anonymous No.63947670
Beretta A300 of 1301 if I want to spend over a thousand dollars on a shotgun?

What length is best?
Anonymous No.63947681
>>63944012
...you blast small animals with buckshot at 5 yards?
Anonymous No.63947688 >>63947706
>>63947635
Might be the defender tactical
Anonymous No.63947706
>>63947688
Thank you, looks like it is
Anonymous No.63950159
>>63947669
That’s what he got it for and what it excels at, dove and bird hunting, but he was having all kinds of issues once put through a bunch of shells, mostly related to heat and not tightening his choke down enough, almost launched it down range. It again has very light recoil though. And the sighting system is very nice.
Anonymous No.63950898
My syringe speedloader broke in half