Now that the FA-XX is kill will Boeing be making a carrierborne version of the F-47 for the USN?

>>63931752 (OP)
sorry but they're stuck with the f-35 that has the rotating bumhole now

>>63931754
imagine sticking your weenor in that

>>63931754
The F-35C from the navy doesn't have the rotating engine nozzle, only the F-35B from the marines have that.

>>63931791
the marines are just the navies army.
so the navy does have F35B's

>>63931752 (OP)
F-47 is the FA-XX

likely the f-55, which will be the new f-35.

f-47 is the new f-22.

>>63931752 (OP)
china is so far ahead in ship building that navy is just giving up.
usaf is getting a long-range fighter, the f-47, to defend taiwan from japan.

>>63931752 (OP)
No, judging by the Chinese fighters that F-47 has to go up against and by the range it will have to achieve, it will have to be huge and won't fit.
Killing FA-XX will have to be reversed in a few years at extra cost.

>>63931972
>f-47 is the old J20.

>>63931752 (OP)
and a ching chong ding dong to you as well my apostrophe eyed friend

>>63932060
There’s been speculation that the Boeing offering somehow manages to be a lot smaller than anyone was thinking, closer in size and weight to an F-22 than the F-111, and that the reason for the delay isn’t that the Navy has doubts about industry capacity as a whole, but rather also wanted to buy Boeing but the Pentagon won’t let them until they see if Boeing manages to not massively fuck up the contract for once. No idea exactly how they managed that, but they’ve apparently been pouring billions into high tech manufacturing capabilities just to try and win this contract

>>63932018
True, at this point our only chance to catch up would be having South Korea build our surface combatants for us

>>63933875
This sounds like baloney unless the adaptive cycle engines are ready

>>63931752 (OP)
Depends. The E-ring Navy bosses have been absolute cucks in actually getting anything positive for NAVAIR so probably, yeah we will get a shitty F-47 ripoff that is like twice as expensive because nobody else uses 6th gen CATOBARs, just like happened with the F-35c. So it will be basically take the Navy's next gen funding, and give it to the air force. Like has happened 4 times since 1990. Air Force makes plane that doesn't meet any of your actual needs or requirements, then you are forced to buy a much more expensive version of it by Congress, so now not only is all your development money getting sucked up by the USAF but now also all your procurement money is indirectly, since apparently CSGs main tactical role is amortizing the cost of an Air Force fighter over a larger number of aircraft.

>>63934010
I think they’re planning to really lean on those to hit most of the performance metrics laid out, definitely. But there’s been a lot of speculation based off iirc the former Air Force Secretary calling LockMart’s design evolutionary and Boeings revolutionary, where it’s thought their offering may have been more or less an upsized FB-22 or X-44 Manta derivative and ended up being very large and very expensive. I don’t think that’s all that unlikely, LockMart gets a lot of credit for winning the last two stealth fighter contracts, but that sort of dominance can easily lead to complacency and F-35 is such a massive program that it seems to be using all their talent to keep it even behind schedule. Don’t forget they were outright eliminated from F/A-XX back when that seemed to be program that was on track

>>63933875
>>63934010
>unless the adaptive cycle engines are ready
9 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHun6rxQm0

>>63931752 (OP)
They'll just have to buy F-55s instead.

>>63934068
I don't get why NGAD got the greenlight in the first place, since FA-XX would be more suitable for conversion to the land based role than vice versa, and the air force already has the most advanced fighter aircraft in the world. It seems to me like all the Air Force actually needed was an F-22 modernization program and maybe a handful of converted FA-XX to supplement them.

>>63934756
Because they realized it was a clusterfuck trying to make a naval aircraft and a land based aircraft out of the same project while not making something that was shit at one or both roles. The requirements and compromises made to launch from a carrier hamstring a land based aircraft in an unacceptable way, and as such they are best served by two programs that are going to produce very different aircraft, even if they might fulfill similar roles. In addition, the NGAD, as the name implies is solely going to be focused on A2A with ground attack being a secondary concern, ala the F-22, while the FA needs to be good at dropping bombs as well since carrier air wings aren't that big.

>>63934782
The F-15 is essentially a denavalized F-14 and it's the single greatest fighter aircraft of all time and still in production after 50 years. It's naval conversions of land-based aircraft that always turn out to be shit.

>>63934936
>The F-15 is essentially a denavalized F-14
me when I make shit up

>>63934756
The guys on secretprojects are saying Boeing actually made the demonstrator for the Navy while Lockheed did the Air Force one, but that Boeing did well enough both branches wanted theirs but the Navy is getting fucked since Phelan doesn’t want many new projects since everything the Navy is running is a mess. Also apparently the Air Force wants much more of a pure air superiority fighter while the Navy wanted to emphasize strike capability. From what they’ve put out F/A-XX was supposed to be more of a super duper hornet than a next gen F-14

>>63935206
It is though

>>63931791
>>63931796
Marines operate F35C as well.
I have no idea what's the point of that though.

>>63935397
The Navy spent its money on boats so the Marines stepped in to help provision them.

>>63934027
>not only is all your development money getting sucked up by the USAF but now also all your procurement money is indirectly, since apparently CSGs main tactical role is amortizing the cost of an Air Force fighter over a larger number of aircraft
Sucks to suck and the Navy needs to fight harder to stop being USAF's paypig.

>>63935397
Winger Marines are a lot more integrated on every level to Big Navy than regular jarheads, even down to the individual level where they do 80% of their initial ascension training in Navy commands on Navy bases with mostly Navy instructors. Flying leathernecks are to the Navy what corpsmen are to the Marines, in a very vague but relevant sense.

For the F-35C acquisition, that has deep lore, short version is the Navy trapped out all its legacy bugs doing strike or buddy refueling early in GWOT, since we are perpetually ball stomped by congress to give all naval aviation development funds directly to the air force we could not maintain sortie rates as we did not have enough AC, VMFA squadrons were then reallocated to CVNs (since Marine hornets had like 0 traps generally) to float us for a few years until Super Hornet production could replace the trapped put baby bugs and the Commandant et al found the integration benefitted the GCE since now wingers were living and operating where the actual naval air campaign was run from instead of a gator so they decided to retain the arrangement thus VMFA F35Cs.

>>63935405
Lol a much better and more concise explanation than mine

>>63934727
hnnnggggg they finally did it

>>63935486
I'm not mad at the USAF at all, actually. Constantly fucking over the branches doing actual fighting and winning while they jerk off in connex boxes is their entire brand. Its a scorpion and the frog situation. Sorry your oral fixation with congressmen led to us not being able to replenish SM-6 stocks and you were too retarded to push for hardened shelters though, enjoy getting incinerated by 15,000 TBMs while manning the intake side of the Anderson AFB gloryhole though.

At least you'll die doing what you loved!

>>63934727
>45,000lb thrust class
I call BS.
Pratt engineers already told me the f-135 engine (the f35A variant) can produce over 55,000lbs under emergency power.
The adaptive engine has to make more than 45,000lbs.
.t worked on the F135 program for a long time.
Good engine.

>>63935852
>0 days since classified information has been leaked on /k/

>>63931796
The Marines are buying F-35Cs because they made a deal with the Navy that they would cover two of the carrier squadrons.

>>63935852
Isn't the point of the adaptive cycle engines to achieve a similar level of performance while also allowing for far greater efficiency? Current fighters are plenty fast and powerful enough but don't have the range they need.

>>63935852
TIT for 55klbs on f135 will melt it in about 3 seconds.

>>63935867
Eh, "about" 55,000lbs
Engineers don't tells us the exact data.
And we don't ask for exact numbers because we aren't retard.

Got a watch a video of a unrestricted F22 vertical climb though.
Shit is stupid fast.

>>63934936
F-15 aero layout was very conservative for the time and it has a simple job
F-14 had a much more complex job and very complex variable geo aero. not just wing sweep but also movable glove vanes and full flaps on movable wing. totally crazy aero design complexity.
Also the shitty tf engines it had sucked, but they were actually superior for tu-22m fleet defense intercept cause they were optimized for high mach thrust, unlike F110 and F100.

The two couldn't be more different if they tried.

An f135 won't do 55k lbs of thrust. Modern engines are build on the edge of what the turbine blades can endure in terms of temperature, a handful of degrees more and they melt.
All jet engines are limited by turbine inlet temperature on max thrust except maybe some weird geared ultra high bypass turbofans which are uninteresting for jet fighter applications which are all the opposite, very low bypass turbofans.
Everyone who even understands the most basic principles of jet turbine operation knows this, which includes even mechanics. Unless it's a very incompetent mechanic maybe.

>>63935904
>Look at F-14
>Copy it, but without all the wacky science shit
>Now it's an F-15

>>63935927
>all non-chinese jet engines
yes

>>63931778
My beanus too small, neither of us would feel a thing.

>>63936021
>AI hardware accelerators
>China
You can completely disregard everything on that chart.

>>63935927
Ok anon,
How many F135 of F119 engines have you built?
I'll wait patiently.
Anyways,
Fun fact: they use static to interrupt sound waves in the assembly cell.
You can scream NIGGER and no one beyond 6ft ish can hear you.

>>63936185
Zero, but while I studied engineering at university my best friend ran a turbine test stand and artistically told me everything about the difficulties of jet turbine design.
These are basics which have been known since jet turbines were invented in the 1930's and haven't really changed.
The requirement for turbine blades to remain solid and not turn into a liquid from the heat they're exposed to is kind of obvious, and the efficiency for thermodynamic machines has been known for a long time as well.
The entire industry is chasing higher temperatures like crazy because they unlock literally everything, fuel consumption, power density, lifetime, and you get to choose where to spend it.
If it was possible to push the temp higher on F135 or F119 they would have done it and used it to improve one of those factors.
You cannot push it higher without loosing something, in case of F135 and F119 it's lifetime, with a rapid decline since they're already pushing the boundaries of what the material can do for performance obviously.

>>63936247
>Zero, but while I studied engineering
And there's where I stop reading.

Modern engineers are trash.
Why?
Your entire view is wrapped up in a very very small box.

.t fight with retarded engineers all day and have yet to be proven wrong.
Y'all show up with tucked in shirts, & your cute little knife/flashlight belt combo.
Watching you guys Seethe brings me great joy every day.

>>63932018
>>63934005
>Convert a bunch of fishing boats and build a bunch of crappy destroyers
>OOOHHHH CHINA SO NUMBER ONE NAVY, AMERICA GIVE UP

>>63935904
I've had the unfortunate experience of merging in a dissimilar neutral 1 v 1 with a high hour big cat driver. One circle, two circle, go vertical, try a wicked Alpha nose point gambit. Doesn't matter. It just teleports behind you.

>>63931796
The Navy is just the Marines' Army Transportation Corps watercraft division.

>>63937052
My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment