Thread 63936208

when do you think you have a problem with buying guns?

Ive had a "dream list" of guns and gear that Ive had since I was was about 12. Im about halfway through it. I dont even shoot that often anymore. Im always saving to buy another gun, or some piece of gear or equipment but the high dies off after a few days and im itching for another one

I tell myself once my wish list is complete, I will rest and actually get back into shooting, camping and bugging out, and that I NEED to finish the list before its too late, but I feel like im lying to myself.

If anyone has actually made it to the other side of this, whats it like?

>>63936208 (OP)
I finished mine like 3 years ago (also started mine when I was like 13 lol), and yes there is a weight off you shoulders. Innovation in the firearms industry has been dead for the last 10-15 years. We're just trying to recreate the same platforms over and over again and I just got bored. I was in a LGS and holding some polymer, striker fired 9mm and I just felt nothing. All I could think of was "I have like 4 of these at home"

I havent bought anything new in over a year, unless I hold or shoot something that feels really good in the hand, Im not falling for the marketing anymore and frankly ive been much happier

>>63936208 (OP)
The solution is to go actually shoot more. You should find out if you like hunting, competitions, bullseye, taking classes, whatever. Shooting will clarify what you actually like instead of what you just like the idea of. If collecting is the purpose then it's literally a never ending list of purposes. If shooting is the purpose then more range time will tell you what you actually want and what you don't care about.

>>63936242
meant to say "never ending list of purchases" but i guess never ending list of hypothetical purchases works too

>>63936208 (OP)
It's only a problem when you think it is. Sometimes my only life goal is to get a new gun, and that's OK to me because at least I have that goal. The process of researching, finding the exact model I want, getting it, working on it, and building it into exactly what I want is fun to me. I consider it as much of the hobby as going out and shooting.

I'm actually a bit sad that I'm about at the end of my list. There are some things I can still get, like a Desert Eagle, Kriss Vector, or historical pieces, because those are always cool, but I know they're going to sit around and collect dust because that's not really what I like to shoot. And I do like to shoot, not just buy guns, but finding a way to consistently shave .07 seconds off my draw isn't nearly as exciting as getting a new toy, and that's just the truth.

The only gun I currently want is an AUG. Not sure when I'll buy it, but it will certainly be my last gun for quite a while. After that I'll be throwing money into the bottomless holes that are my ARs

>>63936208 (OP)
I actually started selling off a lot of guns recently. I realized that for a long time I was just collecting for the sake of collecting.

I even sold my dream gun literally this past weekend. I need to do more shooting, but I've found a sense of freedom from letting go of the extra guns that I rarely used.

Stop being a whiney faggot and buy more.

Guns was my escape from fucking whores now i'm back to fucking whores maybe I should get me a crotch rocket but I don't wanna get obliterated on the road by a karen

>>63936208 (OP)
>>63936701
Might be good for you two to see therapists. Clearly you both have some sort of compulsion or addiction that could use addressing.

>>63936710
Shut the fuck up homo this is a thread about GUNS not armchair psychology

>>63936242
This. I got into target shooting a few years back, then got hooked on big bore stuff, and have a pretty fun collection of stupidly big handguns… learned how to reload.. find a goal, I find target shooting relaxing, it’s kind of a zen thing, you, centering yourself, and calming yourself for the best accuracy.. but while explosions are going on instead of in some bullshit yoga class. Make a goal to try and rotate the guns you shoot regularly, get good at shooting all of them. If you feel your doing well, add an element of complication… for example I’ll take a 5 bullseye target and then try to switch bullseyes with every shot, shooting rapidly… work on getting consistent groups when your changing aim point…. Challenge yourself

>>63936251
Get good with your new toy. Redefine “good” for the ones you have.

>>63936208 (OP)
I can't relate. I buy guns I want, when I want them.
And then I go shoot them. Pretty fucking simple imo.

>>63936208 (OP)
i enjoy shooting and i get a gun when i want something to accomplish a specific way of shooting usually
i have a vz58 for example, so i hesitate on purchasing another "assault rifle" style gun
the only other i've considered is the AR recently but only because of the FRT
if i get a lever action i probably wont buy a second, same with a hunting rifle, pump action shotguns, semi auto .22s, etc.
i find that theres enough unique sort of platforms of guns and i would rather have the larger variety instead of multiple guns that ultimately accomplish the purpose for me
the exception probably being SMG copies/kit guns, i want them all

>>63936208 (OP)
Sounds like you're just addicted to shopping. Easy enough to fall into with every hobby. Try putting it down and get into something else for a bit. Get yourself excited to get back to the range.

>>63936242
I ran into this issue. I liked the idea of guns, of having interesting guns, much more than the idea of shooting them. Oh sure, I'd go to the range, but I'd always feel a little disappointed that the idea didn't match up to the reality that I wasn't very good and it would take a lot of expense to get good. I've sold about half my "collection" at this point and am seriously considering selling more and using the money solely on ammo. I keep seeing stuff for sale that my monkey brain goes "neat!" and I keep having to remind myself that I barely shoot what I already have.

Good thread

>>63936208 (OP)
>when do you think you have a problem with buying guns?
If it makes you accrue debt or forgo more important things. IMHO If you've got your bills paid, some savings, don't have a bunch of lingering problems that need financial attention I don't see any problem with buying guns.

>>63937831
>Sounds like you're just addicted to shopping. Easy enough to fall into with every hobby.
Yup. Musicians call it "gear acquisition syndrome", with the idea being that you should be spending more time playing rather than futzing around with gear. I've never heard a special word for it, but I certainly know 'woodworkers' and 'mechanics' with a garage full of expensive tools that seem to rarely if ever get used.

>>63936208 (OP)
Building a nice collection is a worthy goal. When you have the disposable income that your budget doesn't impact anynother necessities AND you have a saving allowance for your property and backup cash, spend what you like, off at least 10% under asking and be prepared to walk away.

>>63937855
>I liked the idea of guns, of having interesting guns, much more than the idea of shooting them.
Why do you see that as a problem? I don't shoot my Garand or my Calico all that often but I still think they're cool and I'm glad I own them.

If you have your bills covered and you're building your nest egg who gives a shit what you spend your discretionary budget on? If you're not finding enjoyment, consider something else to waste your money on but if you still find it enjoyable there's no reason to stop. That's assuming you have your bases covered in terms of retirement, emergency fund, etc.

>>63938190
>off at least 10% under asking and be prepared to walk away.
This is good advice. If you're buying something for your collection avoid the trap of having to have one hyper-specific model. Assuming you even find one, you're very likely to pay through the nose for it. On the other hand, if you can approach an auction, put out lowball bids on a number of items, you are quite likely to walk away with at least one for a very good price.
I've been following RIAC's high end (premier) auctions for about ten years now. Each and every time I see some guns sell for far more than usual--because two or more people just had to have that specific one and logic went out the window--and also you sometimes see guns sell for a lot less than anticipated. Know what stuff is worth, stick to your budget, don't fall into the hype and excitement. Remember, if you lose an auction that only means more money in your budget for the next one.

Also pay careful attention to the contents of auction catalogs as that will affect the prices. For example, this past May's RIAC Premier auction had many turret rifles. There were a lot of them to go around vs. the number of bidders interested in them so prices were a lot lower than normal.

>>63936208 (OP)
Some people love shooting. Some people love collecting. Do what makes you happy, as long as it isn't hurting anything by doing so.

>>63938197
NTA but if you're a collector it won't be a problem. If the goal is to collect some guns then buying guns was the goal in the first place, so nothing to disilke. I'm not a collector so having excess guns is just clutter. It does not spark joy.

>>63938197
Because it turns out having a safe full of guns I either bought on impulse because they were "cool" or were deeply discounted did not, in fact, make me enjoy owning them. I picked up a vector for 1100, shot it twice, and sold it to my best friend for what I paid with the extra mags, mag extenders, and optic thrown in. I picked up a Socom 2 with seven mags for a steal at auction, shot it once, hated it, and sold it for half what I paid to a coworker just to get it out of my safe. I've traded in or sold probably a dozen guns in the past two years and bought a grand total of one. I reflect on the money I spent foolishly, look at some guns I have genuine interest in like a Korth or a custom 1885 highwall, lament over the price and regret not just buying something I would enjoy both owning and shooting ocassionally. Now that I have the capital to buy stuff I really want I find myself so burned out from previous purchases I don't want to spend the mone. Even buying ammo seems a waste, which makes it obviously more difficult to go to the range, which reinforces the whole "why did I spend money on these I don't shoot them nor am I particularly passionate about them" problem.
Either that or I have severe anhedonia and depression which I will admit is a definite possibility.

>>63939967
Same. Back when I was in college senior year I thought to get into guns after being into antique swords and kenjutsu for a while, and ended up basically debtmaxxing a shit ton of guns I never had ammo for. It especially didn't help that the "chasing the dragon" for preparedness mindset is ever present in the gun community, so I had a constant feeling that what I had wasn't enough. Graduated and decided to finally just sell all the guns I never shot and get back into kenjutsu and antique swords, honestly I'm much happier now than I was then.

>>63938291
>guns sell for far more than usual--because two or more people just had to have that specific one
>bid war
Saw this over a P38, when I wanted a P38.
>really nice example
>bid war
>gors unreasonable quickly
>I'm out
>final hammer @$2700
Oh ,well.
>next P38
>nib
>#s matching
>original box
>factory test target
>manual
>serialized #s matching mag
>basically better gun that sat in the box inna closet
>mine @$1150
Scored by letting go.

Theres no reason to have more than like 5 guns

>>63942530
You don't like guns.

>>63942541
Name one reason to have more than like 5

>>63942546
Fun.

>>63942546
Your opponent has 6 hands.

>>63942549
Guns are not that fun, once youve shot a few different types its all the same

>>63942565
You don't like guns.

>>63942568
No I am just practical

>>63942573
You don't enjoy shooting guns, so guns aren't a hobby to you, you don't get what makes guns fun.

Stop fighting!!!

>>63942579
I didnt say any of that. In terms of buying guns a person only needs around 5 which is what op asked

>>63942573
>no tactical advantage
I've heard of this.

>>63942587
>needs
I've heard of this.

>>63936208 (OP)
>when do you think you have a problem with buying guns?
>>63942587
>In terms of buying guns a person only needs around 5 which is what op asked
No he didn't..

>>63936242
This. Finding / building 1 gun that you shoot a lot and that brings you a smile every time you pull the trigger is infinitely more meaningful and valuable than having a huge collection that gathers dust.

If you have a gun you dislike shooting, why even have it? Just sell it buy more ammo for the one you do love.

>>63936710
Truth, lmao. You mofos are all trying to fill a hole with gunsooming.
Y'all need christ

There can be the sterile, pragmatic and lustless side to life. Don't be drawn in and blinded to flavor, zest and spice.

Personally I have maybe two guns and then spend the rest on anime figs

>>63942612
Do you cum to them? Either...

>>63942587
You don't love guns.

>>63942652
If thats your cope for wasting money then sure

>>63942663
If I enjoy shooting a gun, is the money wasted?

>>63942663
>wasting
Sounds like a skill issue. Or a money issue, which is also a skill issue.

>>63942614
Sumanai but my figurines aren't haram. I only jerk off to gay porn

>>63936701
I am also back to whores instead of guns. Moved to a shit state so all the stuff i want is illegal. A bad handjob from an asian girl who only knows how to say "pay now" and "how much" helps me forget about how miserable i am here.

>>63942737
>helps me forget about how miserable i am here.
This is sad. 100% preventable, 100% treatable.

>>63942671
No

>>63942677
If I was a billionaire, I'd maybe buy another 5 or 6 guns. But that is just collecting, not being practical

>>63936208 (OP)
>By the time you have the money you won't want to spend it.
Had this convos many times with old business dudes growing up and now that I'm old I 100% feel it. Kinda sucks that exploratory nature of my youth is gone but I honestly don't give a shit about 99% of guns that come out these days. The 5.7 revival was the last big leap in firearms tech so I was glad to be a part of that at least. Nothing else has excited me in decades.

>>63942853
You don't have to be a a BILLIONAIRE to buy more than 5 guns, duffus. You are applying your own limited perspective to everyone and it just makes you look shallow and unimaginative. If someone wants a Glock in every chamber, I don't discredit them or disrespect it. I just disagree, but I don't use my ego to discredit thier choices just to validate myself. That is what you are doing with your
>5 is the limit to reasonable.ownership
It's your own strange form of cope you are projecting to rationalize your current situation. When I started, I used prioritization the way you are using your absolute limit. But I never circumscribed my passion, imagination or fancy to a low (or any) finite number out of fear or lack of perspective. To donthat is to tell yourself
>this is the best I can ever be
Not.me, pally.

>>63942884
>The 5.7 revival was the last big leap in firearms tech
Oh, brother. We got a live one!

>>63942884
>The 5.7 revival was the last big leap in firearms tech

>>63942891
>>63942894
Absolutely. I've shot 9mm for nearly 3 decades now. Put a 5.7 in my hand and my groups immediately shrunk, follow ups were faster, and I could perform at longer distances. It's really 9mm but better in every way. People holding on to 9mm now are the same people clinging to 38spl snub noses back when the wonder 9s were dropping.

>>63942918
>Put a 5.7 in my hand and my groups immediately shrunk, follow ups were faster
Maybe the common denominator here is you.

>It's really 9mm but better in every way
If you say so.

>>63942926
>A lighter recoiling flatter shooting cartridge isn't a benefit.
Weird how that goes against everything we've ever heard from 9mm fags when talking about 40 and 45 acp.

>>63942887
I am just answering OP you dont need to cry at me. Point is I know whats best for most, and here that is around 5 guns. If you want more great go ahead. But then its just gunsooming

>>63942933
Would you line up for a doublestacked .25ACP pistol? I bet that'd improve your speed and groups even more.

>>63942918
>and I could perform at longer distances
Keep your sex life out of it.

>>63942934
NTA, but I'd argue that the common list of 5 guns being thrown around *IS* a great example of gunsooming. People often say that any gun owner should get a shotgun, while I find it ridiculous that so many gun owners have them yet never hunt, never shoot clays, and have other weapons for self defense. 5 guns is 5 guns too many if you never shoot any of them, and it might not be enough depending on the situation. Someone who carries, hunts, and is into competitive shooting could easily be using more than 5 guns on a regular basis.

>>63942934
>Point is I know whats best for most
Hahhhahhhahahha. Dude, resrtain your fucking ego. You look like a jackass.

>>63942948
>doublestacked
Fuck, now I want a self loadinng .25ACP ddouble barrel.

>>63942948
No. It doesn't meet the FBI performance minimums that 9mm neophytes used to justify not carrying 40&45. Meanwhile 5.7 does. 32 acp is also out because it's semi rimmed.

5.7 has parity in terms of terminal effect with 9mm while being flatter shooting and having less recoil. It's superior in every way.

>>63942957
>5 guns is 5 guns too many if you never shoot any of them,
Yet another projection.
>4me
Ftfy.

>>63942962
You seem to have convinced yourself. Good job!

>>63936221
>dead for the last 10-15 years
I don't think I have a handgun designed past 2004, and everything handgun related is of a different design (direct blowback, browning, falling block, rotating barrel)
But I got into reloading half a year ago and that+precision shooting has been what ive been into recently and as someone else said in here, its kinda zen

>>63942968
>Throw out a gotcha with a slow shit round mimicking 22lr
>Get told why it's stupid
>N...NO YOU
Ok kek.

>>63942962
If it really works for you, I'm not gonna argue that hard with you, but personally I think the only real way to have a zippy service pistol cartridge is something like 7.62mm Tokarev, so that you have some more mass to work with given the limits in speed inherent to the package. 5.7mm doesn't give enough speed from a pistol length barrel that I feel comfortable with it.
(Mind, 7.62mm Tokarev has no good modern pistols, and ammo choices are not very good either, it's more the concept of the cartridge.)

Meanwhile, I don't think the recoil and magazine capacity of 9mm Luger is bad at all, I think it's a great balance, and it's a lot less loud.

>>63942975
>22lr
Has killed more animals and people than all other cartridges combined. I wouldn't dismiss it and I pratice with my .22 often. It will penitrate and bounce around inside in a very deadly fashion!

>>63942998
You just read negative posts about 5.7 from people ignorantly claiming 7.62 tokarev was the same round. You don't have an argument because you didn't form that opinion organically from real world experience. It has nothing to do with you not wanting to argue about it in some self righteous holier than thou stance. It's from a complete lack of substance in the foundation of your prejudice against a product you don't have experience with.

>>63943007
I love 22lr and carry a 22lr revolver often. Doesn't mean 5.7>9mm in it's use case of a duty size handgun.

>I tell myself once my wish list is complete, I will rest and actually get back into shooting, camping and bugging out,
lol

>but I feel like im lying to myself.
So there's some shred of intelligence on you.

Interests come and go, but back when you were a teen looking for a personality you went and made this one interest central to your sense of self, so now you can't let go of it because you still haven’t' figured out who the fuck you actually are (hint: the trick is to realise that it's a stupid and meaningless question to ask in the first place). And so instead you combine your longing to match your own self-image with basic shopaholic kick-chasing instead.

>>63943016
>You just read negative posts about 5.7 from people ignorantly claiming 7.62 tokarev was the same round
It's like you didn't read my post.

>>63942934
>Point is I know whats best for most, and here that is around 5 guns.
Nah bro, you're a faggot.

Can you faggots start a new thread for your caliber argument #2,492,092?

>>63943066
No, this is very important.

>>63943028
>Interests come and go,
Partially true for the fickle and shallow.

>>63943073
>2me

>>63936208 (OP)
I don't know, I'm still building my collection but it's not that big, I know me. Yes I want some nice guns but will I enjoy them ? I know myself, I will always use one, more than the others. I don't want to have safe queen. My wishlist has been reshaped many time since i'm into guns as of now there 5 firm entry.

You people doesn't recognize that 5 handguns alone is not too much.

>>63943188
Yep.
22lr revolver
22wmr revolver
22 jet revolver
500 magnum revolver
5.7 duty handgun

Is my stable list.

I could easily add another 5 long guns to that without even hesitating.
20ga shotgun
416 rigby Mauser
405 Winchester 1895
444 Marlin rifle
SR-15

That's not even including fun novelty guns like matebas, flintlocks, etc.

>>63936208 (OP)
i never had a list as such. i just bought what i thought was cool if the price was right. so far i think 90% have appreciated in value, even with inflation, so i can't imagine it being a problem doing better than most of my other investments. not a boomer, just an economist.

>buy dream gun when you find it used for a killer deal
>shoot it, see if its any good
>if its not, sell it for what you paid

this strat has worked pretty well for me so far

>>63943188
>You people doesn't recognize that 5 handguns alone is not too much.
It's like you don't want a gun in every room of your house.

>>63936221
>>63936208 (OP)
I have like accessory autism instead of buy new gunz autism. I think I only ever bought one gun without a specific use case for it and that was an AR carbine that I ended up using for high power for like a year anyway until I got an actual match rifle.
I do have autism for accessories with me wanting to change the sights or stock or slings or lights on guns and take them off and put them back on which wouldn't be bad if screws didn't fucking constantly strip. I swear to god every single screw for a rail or a mounting plate is made of chinesium. And yeah, I know they do that so you don't fuck up the receiver, but it's still annoying

>>63945176
>buy dream gun when you find it used for a killer deal
Currently bidding on 2 for $2500 total. It's not a problem. Frickin' mags are running.~$250, more of an irritation than a problem.

>>63946243
>every single screw for a rail or a mounting plate is made of chinesium.
Found your problem. Get better accessories or a firearm screwdriver kit. Well worth $150 to have the propper sized bit.

>>63946883
I have a wheeler or vortex or something torque screwdriver now so I shouldn't be stripping shit, but the screw thing is pretty universal on every rail I've ever bought

>>63936242
1000 times this. I used to be like you OP. I viewed buying guns as ticking boxes in a collection. I loved the idea of them more than the application of them. Then years ago I realized that despite being super into guns and having a bunch of them, that I actually really sucked at shooting. That bothered me so I decided to dedicate more time to shooting and committed myself to going to the range at least one month. Almost immediately the kinds of guns I was interested in become much more concise and focused. Out of my entire collection I realized there were only 3-5 guns that I even enjoyed shooting.

I realized that despite roughly 70% of my collection being rifles that I actually enjoyed shooting pistols way more. I realized that despite wanting a bunch of big bore stuff that in practice I actually enjoyed .22 and 9mm the most because they're affordable and pleasant to shoot. I used to think that competition style guns were kind of dumb because why spend thousands of dollars on a range toy with no tactical application? Now that's primarily what I'm interested in and am currently saving up for a CZ Shadow 2 and am kicking around the idea of trying a local USPSA match.

Actually get out and shoot more OP. It will provide not only clarity to what you actually like but a renewed love and appreciation for the firearms themselves.

>>63947721
>wheeler or vortex or something torque screwdriver
Yeah, you can get in for far less than the $125, but that is the higher end sets. Use it once, and feel better about the prive.

>>63946876
>bidding on 2 for $2500 total.
>It's not a problem
Not a problem until you are outbid and your mind starts justifying increasing your previously determined maximum...
>I'll never see another one that clean...
>it's still worth $100 more...
>$200, just to be _sure_...
Just let the item go! There will be another. Increasing your max bid is just your competitive ego not wanting to lose. This is perfectly natural. Play this game for the distance.

>>63948848
I didn't pay for it, it was a birthday present

>>63936242
^ This >>63936208 (OP)
Coomsuming guns < Shooting guns
Especially if you meet new cool lads and gals along the way. Either that or you might just be burnt out on the hobby entirely and need to take a break and do something else for a little while.

anybody else purposely limit themselves to what sort of guns they use in order to avoid being too much of a consoomer?
my most modern gun is a 10/22, dont have anything with built in rails for optics or lights or anything, might get a side rail for my ak but its still a far cry from like a free float AR
maybe it makes me a bit of a fudd, but it makes the rare times i shoot tacticool guns all that more fun because its always something 'new' to me instead of being the default

>>63936208 (OP)
My goal as a collector is to have one of each family of GI army rifles. I've yet to get a Trapdoor, but I have an M1896, 1903, 1917, and Garand. After that it gets fucky because of the NFA. M14s and everything after are NFA items as machine guns and the registry was closed in 1986, so I'm fucked.

>>63939967
>FOMO (fear of missing out)

If you have guns and shoot them regularly, and hit what you point at, be happy.

>>63949053
>I'm fucked.
Just get clones.

>>63942960
Yeah me too .25 is fun.