Thread 63937447

If you could only have one gun as your do all gun, which gun would you pick /k/? Also, how would you set it up? I am going for a single gun setup, but if I truly need more than one feel free to list it.

Do all as in meaning:
>Hunting
>Self-defense
>Anything I forgot to include
>Like a SHTF gun

How would you set it up as in meaning:
>Red dot sight (example: Aimpoint, Trijicon, or cheaper like Holosun)
>Holographic sight (example: EOTECH)
>Iron sights as backup if the main sight fails or iron sights over everything
>Stainless, cerakote (or is there something better as a coating)?
>Anything I forgot to include (better optics I don't know about, etc.)

Everywhere I see:
>Random types of AR-15's
>Glock 9mm pistols

Are they really that good for every scenario? I am trying to decide on a SHTF type gun and I am curious what /k/ would do. Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

>>63937447 (OP)
Some sort of AR-10 probably, e.g. with a scope and backup irons
.308 ammo is plentiful, they're accurate and while AR-10 spare parts and mags can be a PITA depending on the model, just pick one of the more common patterns

>>63937447 (OP)
A 357 magnum redhawk with a detachable scope and a light on the trigger guard with a clipdraw or some flavor of Mexican carry grips. With that you have a gun that can reliably kill just about anything bear sized or smaller but still reltively carryable. All while using a rather common cartridge with the option of 38 special if I don't want to delete the existence of the guy mugging me

>>63937447 (OP)
Depends on cartridge restrictions for hunting and local terrain but it'd boil down to 308 or 556. 308; some sort of gucci autoloader like a scar or sr-25, 14.5 pw, can, and a magnified optic with a dot on top (1-8 atacr, 3-15 nxs, acog depending on local terrain), light, lam on qd rtz mount, sling, mags etc. 556 gun same equipment, same length. Between the two 556 preferable due to ammo/parts availability.

Handgun - glock 19 set up however you want, probably a light. If you really want something different maybe a short 2011/platypus.

>>63937447 (OP)
Glock 29 I guess.
>Are they really that good for every scenario?
No, it's just that self-defense is a #1 priority, and i can't conceal carry a rifle (and even if i lived somehere cold enough all year to do it, i couldn't draw it nearly as fast) so we're already limited to handguns. I choose the 29 because it's compact and 10mm can be used for animal self-defense and even hunting.

>>63937460
>>63937472
See neither of these guys can CC, they try to enter anyone's house for any reason they will either be asked to remain unarmed or get shot because they're visibly armed. They get in a self-defense situation, their draw time is horrendous.

>>63937534
>can't CC
Child, you underestimate what can be shoved down your pants with enough gumption

>>63937447 (OP)
glock 23 probs

6.5 creedmore semi automatic, if money doesn't matter scar h, xcr l also would be nice, or mr308 when they make in in 6.5, ar10 if money matters; for optic qd mount and 1. mpvo or ipvo with red dot 2. red dot and magnifier 4x

>>63937539
Work on your reading comprehension. I can conceal an M107 if I try hard enough and dont' move too much. I can't however go from concealment to first shot on target in under a second.

>>63937547
The gumption is being man enough to set off a gun in your pants, distracting the threat and establishing you fear nothing. What are you gonna do if the guy you're mugging suddenly has his pants explode with a giant fireball?

>>63937558
>What are you gonna do if the guy you're mugging suddenly has his pants explode with a giant fireball?
I blush and ask if he's really this happy to see me, of course.

>>63937447 (OP)
Yeah probably just as lightweight an ar-10 as I could manage

>>63937534
With a regular handgun you'd probably starve come SHTF

AK-104 with a T2

>>63937610
If your SHTF plan relies on hunting/ scavenging/ fishing, your plan is shit and you're going to die of malnutrition

>>63937610
>>63937622
If you’re not eating people yet, then S hasn’t HTF.

>>63937610
I have enough food to last me years and unlike you i have elementary knowledge regarding history, wildlife ecology and risk analysis so i know that no institutional breakdown will last more than that tops, a steady supply of game will be gone within months if not weeks, and that all of this is order of magnitude less likely than getting mugged by a melanin enriched individual.

>>63937630
>*gets clapped from 300 yards and looted*

>>63937447 (OP)
>Are they really that good for every scenario?
No. Most people you see discussing this stuff are larping retards that are just using it as an excuse to discuss their favorite guns from games/movies/etc.

Notice that not one person has bothered to ask you what your specific situation is. Do you really think that someone living in NYC and is concerned about urban riots has the same requirements as someone who lives in Bumfuck, Alaska whose main concern is the power going out and the shitty road to down washing out in bad weather?

>>63937711
>implying i would ever put myself in a situation where i can be shot at long range to begin with
>implying having a long gun exerts an invisible force field that makes one immune to getting shot by a concealed shooter at long range

>>63937728
>Notice that not one person has bothered to ask you what your specific situation is.
Why would anyone ask that? OP is specfically asking what gun you would choose personally, there's no reason to ask anyone anything. Can you not read?

>>63937447 (OP)
Ammunition is more important, get a gun for every caliber.

>>63937447 (OP)
>>One for everything
Considering the feed yourself implications of shtf and hunting, along with the need for long term reliability and ease of maintenance a shotgun would probably top the list if there can be only one. 12g dual rail pump or under over. A very close second bolt action scout type rifle in 308. Ammo availability drives choice. Very close to those is ar 15 in 5.56. Ammo and parts are everywhere. If a pistol choice is in the mix glock 17. Again Ammo choice due to the shtf. And parts will be everywhere 5.56/223 and 9mm are literally everywhere.
As for sights. Standard glock iron or night. Standard post and ghost on ar, double bead on shotgun, 4x with ghost and post on scout. Switching from main to "backup iron" is a kind of silly practice. Practice how you play. If it can fail it will. Then you are set back. In the OPs senerios anywho.

>>63937743
I assume OP is asking this question for research purposes, and knowing what guns other people picked without knowing why they picked them is useless.

>>63937736
Oh so you have a well stocked basement to live in then

>>63937447 (OP)
>I am going for a single gun setup
Why?

What's the appeal of having one mediocre tool that does everything poorly instead of getting something more suited to each job? Do you have one screwdriver? One pair of shoes? One book?

I am a cityfag and have no real use for guns other than maybe someone breaking in to my house or robbing me, in which cases a simple pistol will suffice. So I’ll treat this like a thought experiment.

>one very versatile gun to cover the max number of possible use cases.

You’ll laugh at me, but a lightweight ar10 in 8.6 blackout, but with the caveat that one can use different 8.6 blackout loads. Mid weigh mid velocity supers, ultra heavy subs, and not-yet-made ultralight VLDs behaving just like the 7.92/7.62 CETME (like an OP intermediate). Mag capacity of 20-25 is adequate. Barrel maybe 12-14” (pretty good efficiency for the cartridge).

It’s between that and a CC pistol. Depends on how badly one needs a rifle to feed himself.

>>63937447 (OP)
>want one gun that does everything
Why are we getting so many of these retarded threads asking for this impossibility?

>>63937447 (OP)
Dumpster defender

my vz58 is good out to 500 yards, and with a rail i can mount an optic, works for me

>>63937447 (OP)
Just one gun? As if we were in a European country that didn't allow pistols or "Assault Weapons" like the UK, or Japan then I suppose the only option would be a shotgun, I know Australia bans pump shotguns.

I mean, it would be rather unique to see a antigun or gun control country ban "multiple firearms" but allow you one of anything to make up for it or just obey the letter of the law of allowing the ability to bear...AN arm...seriously California would want it that way.

I suppose if anything goes, then a Semi auto shotgun that allows me to switch out barrels independently of the gas system, so I can use it for hunting/sport, but then have option for a short barrel for tactical urban defense.

OP are you a noguns trying to write a young adult scifi/post apoc survial novel and you are fishing 4chan for ideas of the hero's signature weapon/tool?

>>63938488
(Cont)

I’d set it up with a red dot, a magnifier, a light, a VFG, and a sling.

The point of the light bullets is light(er) recoil, fast follow up shots, low cartridge mass, and long MPBR.

The medium weight ones have a good combination of velocity and BC and I imagine they’d be just fine for hunting all North American game.

The subs are for anything one would use subs for. Sort of an OP submachinegun.

Like a scout rifle meets an assault rifle.

>>63937447 (OP)
Any choice besides a 12 gauge is wrong.

>1911A1 series 70
>.45 Super
>7 inch Clark ramped barrel & longslide
>Bomar sights
>.460 Rowland V2 recoil damper
>2011 short dust cover frame, with a checkered grip module modified to accept Para/Rock Island mags
>wide paddle grip safety
>Safety Fast System with a modified ring hammer
>plum bluing

>>63937447 (OP)
Single gun? Mark 23.

>>63937447 (OP)
1911. As God intended

This one. As is.

>>63937447 (OP)
Janz revolver. It's absolutely a compromise but you can shoot everything from 22lr to 44 magnum on the same frame and swap barrels as you see fit.

My problem with a one gun setup is that ccw gets really screwed over if you do ANYTHING with guns other than tacticool larp at the range. I'd need a gun for hunting so that forces me into a magnum revolver frame. Even with stubby barrels it's a big gun which forces ccw compromises. Another issue would be I couldn't hunt internationally since many countries aren't open to handgun hunters.

Id realistically want two. A small 22lr for ccw and something like a Blaser R8 so I could hunt anything on the planet with it given the barrel swap capabilities.

>>63938066
Yeah? You don't? I will be honest I've been away from /k/ for a few years, do zoomers unironically "prep" and don't have enough water and food to not leave the house for a year?

>>63940755
>I'd need a gun for hunting so that forces me into a magnum revolver frame. Even with stubby barrels it's a big gun which forces ccw compromises.
Just get a 10mm like >>63937534 said, you can hunt with it just fine. Is it the most ethical choice to hunt with a 10mm glock? No, not at all. Would it work if you had to? Yeah.

>>63940816
>10mm
Why would I buy a plastic turd with a gimped round when I could have a a 10" scoped revolver with rhino dick stomping 44 magnum loads? Then download the same gun to 22lr for plinking and then change it to 357 magnum for concealed carry?

It's a $700 poorfag turd not even worthy of consideration in the same conversation.

>>63937447 (OP)
Super boring but a gun is a tool and you really don't want to chance a gun fight unless there is no other option.

Gen 3 Glock 19 with an rmr/wml and threaded barrel would be my pick. In shtf people will poach the shit out of everything and walking around with a visible gun will make people suspicious of you. Having a gun with plenty of parts available in a common caliber is a smart choice. It's not sexy or particularly cool but it's simple and practical.

For zombie apocalypse level shtf a 12ga or AR-15 would be better but realistically gun usage would be pretty rare. You won't have the supply logistics and support armed groups have and carrying shit gets old quick.

>>63937447 (OP)
Some pistol that can easily swap slides/calibers and mount accessories. It has to be relatively concealable, capable of great accuracy and a very nice trigger.
Beretta 92/96 would be a decent option.
22lr slide for cheap plinking and 40/357 Sig if you need a more powerful round.
It's on the larger end of concealable in certain clothing like gym shorts but checks a lot of other boxes.

But imo it's good to have at least a tiny pocket pistol for athletic activities and a powerful fighting pistol for everything else

>>63937447 (OP)
>glock 20
10mm is best millimeter
you can hunt, cc, modify the fuck outta it, etc

i'd probably rather have a 10mm 1911/2011, but i don't own a doublestack one right now, so i'm just going with the glocknade for simplicity

>>63937447 (OP)
Eh, if I had to pick one it would be pic rel, but I would either put my ACOG back on or get a magnifier for the eokek. Realistically though I think a rifle and pistol are necessary. If I had to give it all up though, it would be what I felt I was most familiar with, that's reliable, and offers the most capability.

>>63937447 (OP)
>>Random types of AR-15's
>>Glock 9mm pistols
This is the Wonderbread of gun ownership. Everyone tells a first time buyer to get these because they're the equivalent of common loot.
If you need something to "do it all" you're going to need to be able to hit at range, so a bare minimum of 7.62x51 REAL FUCKIN NATO is what you need. A decent AR10 will outperform a M1A at this, and need less maintenance than a FAL or similar.
As for a sidearm, 9mm has been shown to be pitifully inadequate in far too many scenarios (pic rel as ever)

>>63937447 (OP)
>SHTF
Just admit you want to buy shit, it's a lot easier

>>63943892
Gunsooming is based and supports the economy

>>63943807
>>mm9 is inadequate
Sure is. But the ability to swap a few parts and be able use very common ammo is a good thing. Glock parts are everywhere.
>>AR 10 will outperform M1A
The fuck are you talking about? You have never lugged and tugged both have you. Im better with every version of the M1A than I am with every comparable version of the AR10 in every metric that counts. Im sure there is variations user to user based on size, skill and familiarity, but its a drastic difference for me. Ive seen this play out one to one with other people. While the AR15 and its variations shine over comparable competition the AR10 just doesn't translate.
Frankly if it wasn't for availability 308 isn't all that fucking great. Its the soggy toast of rifle rounds. 7mm08 is better. Especially at 22" As is 338-08 or norma or whatever it is for 16".

>>63945441
> 338-08 or norma or whatever it is

It’s 338 federal.

Which performance metric is it you’re referring to when you say that both a necked down and necked up 308 outperform 308 in? 7mm-08 is gonna mog in every metric that rewards sectional energy (trajectory, penetration) and 338 federal is gonna mog in efficiency (for a given barrel length) and thus muzzle energy, but at the cost of trajectory and penetration.

>>63938488
>>63939046

It’s just occured to me that the rifle I described in these 2 posts satisfies the criteria for a scout rifle. A true scout, one capable of taking <1000lb game AND viable as a fighting rifle. It’s missing the forward-mounted low-power long eye relief optic, but everything else is there.

My one do-all gun would be a Smith & Wesson Model 10. I would just paint the front sight red and put some more substantial grips on it.

>>63946103
You seemed to have answered your own question in the form of a question. Unless you use a short barrel for long range and a long barrel for close encounters and maneuverability. Who knows on this board I've read more retarded claims.
>>its a better all around...
No, it isn't. 308 is a bad copy of archaic performance of the 30-06 to improve weight and cyclic rate of machine guns in the military. Its an exercise in "good enough" not one of best.

>>63938577
I doubt it

>>63937447 (OP)
Just a good AR-15 or a piston rifle that's mostly an AR. Slap an ACOG on it and whatever other attachments, canted dot maybe. Good to go

>>63946113
The non tard version (original definition) is a bolt action lightweight rifle with irons, low power forward mounted scope. And in a caliber that can RELIABLY take 1000lb game in its do all one rifle configuration. The 8.6 you suggested throws is low sectional density bullets at the velocity, 2100-2400 fps, that you would want your HIGHEST sectional density bullets traveling at for optimal penetration on large heavy dangerous game. When the scout rifle idea was being hashed out the African cape buffalo was the animal used as the criteria. Chucking a 300g bullet at pistol velocities would not make the cut. Its not can it kill it. Its can it kill it reliably.

>>63947177
>it’s good enough, not one of best

There isn’t such a thing as “best”. Every element of cartridge design has pros and cons and makes compromises. 308 being an excellent compromise between performance metrics pulling in opposite directions does make it a really good, versatile cartridge.

>>63948364
There absolutely is a best cartridge for the list of metrics your specific use lays out. And 308 won't be it.
Some fag will be making your argument about 277 fury in 20 years. It never fails.

>>63944466
>supports the economy
The production of useless trinkets in no way increases total economic output or standard of living.

The real answer is a 12 gauge pump shotgun, or at the very least a double barrel. Slugs can be good out 100-200 yards depending on your skill level, buckshot will absolutely fuck shit up, birdshot would be good for bird hunting (duh). If you go with a pump shotgun you can use those 3 inch shell adapters to shoot 22lr, 9mm, etc. and if you go with the double barrel you can use the longer ones that can be as long as 10.5 inches from what i've seen.

If you're worried about capacity and range then I suppose a AR in 5.56 with a 22LR adapter bolt would be the next step. But you lose the ability to hunt birds unless you plan on shooting them with 22lr when they're stationary, and the largest of game as well. Also lose the flexibility to shoot the other common cartridges that those shotgun adapters would have let you shoot.

>>63937447 (OP)
I have been considering this for a while OP, but I have yet to do it. They have no issues with feeding and supposedly can have an FRT trigger.

>Gun:
TTI 3G Dracarys Gen-12 Shotgun (allows the use of chokes):
https://tarantacticalinnovations.com/tti-3g-dracarys-gen-12-shotgun/

>Magazines:
Genesis Arms 15rnd drum magazine:
https://genesisarms.com/15rnd-drum-magazine/

Genesis Arms 5rnd magazine:
https://genesisarms.com/5rnd-magazine/

>Sight / optic:
Instead of that EoTech sight people recommended these sights instead:
- Aimpoint Comp M4 2 MOA - Red dot reflex sight with standard spacer and LRP mount:
https://www.aimpoint.com/products/comp-m4-2-moa-red-dot-reflex-sight-with-standard-spacer-and-lrp-mount/

- Aimpoint Micro T-2 2 MOA - Red dot reflex sight with 39 mm spacer and LRP mount:
https://www.aimpoint.com/products/micro-t-2-2-moa-red-dot-reflex-sight-with-39-mm-spacer-and-lrp-mount/

- Trijicon ACOG (I was told these work very good with slugs the 3x magnification ones):
https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-acog-riflescopes

>This is an NFA model and smaller, but supposedly when you go the shorter barrel route you lose overall power (FPS) and accuracy (as accurate as shotguns can be at longer distances):
TTI JW4 Dracarys Gen-12 Shotgun (does not allow the use of chokes like the top one, so I think the other one would be better):
https://tarantacticalinnovations.com/tti-jw4-dracarys-gen-12-shotgun/

>>63937447 (OP)
I cheat

>>63937625
>Ayo dis nigga’s eatin’ beaners!

>>63950855
> Dracarys
Hahahaha. Ultimate cringe naming.
Also, a shotgun is the worst possible choice as a "do everything" gun.
>>63937447 (OP)
Manurhin MR 73. Ultra-tough .357 Magnum revolver. Anything you can do with a gun, you can do with that, and when you're done your son can inherit it.

>>63937447 (OP)
Of the guns I actually own, it'd have to be my G19. It's actually my least favorite of my guns and I'm considering switching to something else, maybe a full-size now that I have a dedicated CC gun (Shield Plus) but nothing else can match its versatility, and if not the G19 it'd be some other G19-sized double stack 9mm.

>>63946139
Oh man, years ago my friend's gun collector grandpa died and left behind six Model 10s like that, all brand new and in boxes. We took one out and shot it and I loved the thing. My friend thought he might be able to sell me one, but he only ended up with one of them and other relatives took all the others.

>>63937447 (OP)
Barrett M107A1 as my single gun.

>>63937447 (OP)
It would be pic rel because I don't larp and it's perfectly adequate for the occasional paper target destruction on a range and it's fun to shoot.

>>63938488
>>63939046
>Q BoomBox and more expensive stuff.
>>63950855
>Taran Tactical and more expensive stuff.
>>63955887
>Barrett M107A1
You guys must be doing really well on OnlyFans compared to me to afford that.

>>63938488
Spiritual nogunz. Typical city shitlib.

P90? If this is my do everything gun, it's not the worst choice. The most realistic and smart answer is a shotgun desu.
>inb4 10mm (2020 gun owners) fags start crying about 5.7

32 J frame.

>Easy to carry
>Fun to shoot
>Versatile

>>63937447 (OP)
3" .357 magnum
You lose almost 100 FPS compared to a 4", but you can carry in all clothing and seasons. Also, specialty ammo makes up the velocity loss, like buffalo bore

>>63937534
>No, it's just that self-defense is a #1 priority
this is good angle. I would pick my own handgun, p30l

>>63937447 (OP)
RDB with a 20” barrel, flashlight, and like a 2-10x power MPVO. Bonus points for a 45° offset irons and suppressor for home defense.
Small enough to be good for home defense and comfortably slung on your back for defense outside of the home.
Long barrel and optic for hunting in a capable enough cartridge. Smaller caliber also means you can carry more bullets for less weight and it’s a very common cartridge if you need to scavenge for ammo.

>>63943246
>hunting
I’d go with the Glock 40 to give it ~100 extra feet/sec at the barrel to compensate for the loss down range. If you can conceal a 20 then a 40 shouldn’t be much harder to conceal, easy mode is sticking it into a fanny pack.

>do all gun
A brown bess. It was a do all gun in 1776 and is still today. I’d pair it with a bayonet so you can defend yourself after you shoot.
If you really just can’t be bothered to use black powder then go with a trapdoor springfield. It’ll do everything you need. No need to bother with features like fagazines.

>>63961763
you're on the wrong side of history faggot

>>63937447 (OP)
>If you could only have one gun
Easy answer

>>63937447 (OP)
5.56 bullpup, with a short enough barrel to conceal carry with minimal trouble, maybe a stubby magazine. Red dot + magnifier with quick detach mounts. Irons too.

>>63937447 (OP)
guns outdated only use drone unless want to be mogged like zigger

>>63940078
>>63961830
Based

>>63937447 (OP)
>only have one gun
GAAAY